Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 My only question regarding the pain is as to whether it is only on the right side and moving back and forth from the front to the back. Otherwise you certainly sound to have a sever case of a gallbladder that may be thickened and causing you a lot of great pain. I have been there and dealt with that too. The next thing you may consider is to start eating lean beef to get lecithin from it and supplementing with around 4800 mg or more of it daily along with taurine. This will help in making a much better bile. The fact that you are diabetic doesn't help too much either. I take it you are a type two diabetic and not stuck with the use of a needle as a type one. This can be symptomatic of the overall problem the liver, gallbladder, and intestines are having. It can be causing you to also be overweigh and having a liver roll around the mid section. This condition is called Syndrome X for which you may be behooved to consider researching it and what processes you can do to deal with it which in turn can help with the pains you get from the gallbladder and liver condition. There are plenty of books regarding this condition and the steps to take to deal with it. One I would suggest is Dr. Cabot's <http://www.liverdoctor.com/>and with that I also suggest her book the Liver Cleansing Diet. Dale I feel like im dying... in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 You may try CHANCA PIEDRA, look for a better brand, i recommend AOR....if there are no stones only the sludge then you may try MILK THISTLE before the meals, if you have stones do not take milk thhistle because it will mobile the stones and push them out of gall bladder and bigger stones may block your bile duct.....in these cases your liver is badly affected if emergency procedures such as removal of stone from bile duct and or removal of gall bladder is not done on urget basis....go slow with Milk Thistle, it may clear up your sludge problems.....you may try Liver and Gallbladder drops from A-Vogel as well...Remember A-Vogel is one of the best brands available in the market for very quality products and their product actually work......for your convenience i am posting a link of product for you: http://www.vitacost.com/A-Vogel-Liver-Gallbladder-Drops-Milk-Thistle-Complex You have to change your life style at larger extent....excercise is a MUST....DO NOT eat MEAT at all...no chicken or beef of any kind, no onion, no eggs, no garlic, no nuts, no corn....STEAMED VEG. is your best choice...AVOID sticky rice, if you like to eat rice then look for BASMATI RICE, usually available in Indian stores....other big stores carry them as well........eat whole grain bread no white bread, chew your food completely, make it like liquid in your mouth, eat less than you desire to eat and divide your meal into smaller parts...... If nothing works then i would suggest surgery as it provides immediate relief, i did mine in April 09 and since then there is no problem otherwsie i was in hell as well...i went to ER more than 15 times in 2 months, did all the naturopath and homeopthic stuff...nothing worked because i ahd lots of stones and some of them were very big......finally i removed my GB and i am at peace..... Try what i suggested and i hope you will get some relief....All the best! Munawar On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:48 AM, LORI <dumplinsgirl@...> wrote: > > > in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection > and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my > gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i > went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few > times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless > skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or > pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it > was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has > known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. > I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i > do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use > only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . > ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few > times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it > started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up > the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart > attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to > make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower > right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid > kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & > nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times > a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i > added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had > scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal > hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal > surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats > why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he > asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " > anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of > nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because > my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone > gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis > related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything > anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing > starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its > blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 It is possible to watch and listen to Dr. Cabot here<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyjw_sQgAkk & feature=PlayList & p=CB110EF6CEC02\ E18 & playnext=1 & playnext_from=PL & index=5>. Enjoy. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Hi LORI, While I cannot relate, I may be able to shed some light on the issues. First, they are issues, not an issue and they are all connected. Diabetes, 6 abdominal surgeries, the resons for the latter, are all in play. I noticed that your email address is dumpling girl. Do not know the reason but if it is 'cause you like carbs, this will be a main factor as well. I assume from the symptoms and history that you are a bit overweight. When I try and count up six abdominal surgeries like hysterectomy, hernia, appendectomy, ovarian cysts and the like, It gets quite hard. because of this, I expect some of them were for internal organ prolapse (hernia definitely is) and all the mesh would lend me that way as well. This is probably serious enough that it should be handled outside of an internet group by a qualified professional. If the surgeon does not recommend surgery and it is because of the amount of previous intervention it is probably advisable to leave surgery to the last option. It in itself could be very dangerous and will not offer any guarantees. How do they know your gallbladder " empties slowly? did they inject a dye, put you on a scope and image or did the doctors conclude this because of the absence of stones? Your diet while engineered to avoid the release of bile is compounding the situation terribly. Low fat diets as recommended by standard medicine is so bloody myopic as to be blind. To get your gallbladder (and I am not convinced this is all gallbladder) and liver healthier it requires the production of bile and the movement of bile. Dale's suggestions of lecithin and taurine are spot on. Listen carefully to that guy. Dale knows more about gallbladders now than anyone I know. I would add malic acid in one form or another, water, fiber, liver herbs, and most of all lot's of cold pressed, unheated, quality oils, etc. Your doctors statement of " use whatever works " is potentially lethal. While the baking soda may ease the acidic discomfort, it is further screwing up your digestion by interfering with the digestive acidic environment. The vast majority of people in the US with acidity problems (digestive, not systemic) are low in HCL not over. Long subject but suggest Dr. 's new book (believe it is titled " Acid is good for you " ); I have not read it yet but know him and his knowledge well, he is spot on. Try ginger for nausea. Licorice and slippery elm for the acidity. Again, let me reiterate that with the cluster you-know-what of abdominal intervention you have had and the other health issues you presently have, it is quite doubtful that simply removing a suspected organ is going to give you great relief and may be potentially dangerous. All the best, -Dave I feel like im dying... in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Yes its only on the right side, ive pretty much had every test known to man done because initially they thought it was something else.Its directly under my right side ribs in the front, when its not painful hurting , it feels as if its a balloon expanding inside.The beef thing is not an option , i cant stomach beeef never could , really dont like the taste of it, nor pork, that includes sausage , bacon , pork chops ribs etc...for ten years or more i lived a relatively vegatarian diet because i dont like eggs meat etc...what i didnt know is almost everything i did eat was starchy, rice , potatoes, wheat bread (but still got carbs)as far as the belly roll, no actually i dont, i do have a fatty liver tho, in fact the only time my belly looks fat it when it suddenly blows up (usually during the gallbladder issues) and it actually becomes hard on that side.sometimes it almost looks swollen on the right but not the left in the same area. > > My only question regarding the pain is as to whether it is only on the right side and moving back and forth from the front to the back. Otherwise you certainly sound to have a sever case of a gallbladder that may be thickened and causing you a lot of great pain. I have been there and dealt with that too. > > The next thing you may consider is to start eating lean beef to get lecithin from it and supplementing with around 4800 mg or more of it daily along with taurine. This will help in making a much better bile. > > > The fact that you are diabetic doesn't help too much either. I take it you are a type two diabetic and not stuck with the use of a needle as a type one. This can be symptomatic of the overall problem the liver, gallbladder, and intestines are having. It can be causing you to also be overweigh and having a liver roll around the mid section. This condition is called Syndrome X for which you may be behooved to consider researching it and what processes you can do to deal with it which in turn can help with the pains you get from the gallbladder and liver condition. > > There are plenty of books regarding this condition and the steps to take to deal with it. One I would suggest is Dr. Cabot's <http://www.liverdoctor.com/>and with that I also suggest her book the Liver Cleansing Diet. > > Dale > > I feel like im dying... > > > in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. > I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . > ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " > anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 I would always point out here, that I only used pure apple juice (up to 4 glasses a day) and lots of drinking water, since I ran away from gall bladder (with gallstone) operation three years ago. Evade from hard-to-digest foods like beef meat, and oily foods that form the gallstones and other residues in your system's arteries. Jess Guim New York City Sightseeing http://www.bigapplecity.com From: LORI <dumplinsgirl@...> Subject: I feel like im dying... gallstones Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:48 AM Â in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 thnx 4 ur input Dave , your very very close to the situation, I has three c-Sections (starting @ 17 y/o) my kids were 9 lbs 13 oz , 7 12oz (premature) and 9 lb 8 oz , i was not over weight at that point in my life and the dr had to encourage me to eat period. All three c sections were troublesome long incisions from my navel almost to my pelvic bone. no i did not show diabetic gestational diabetes in fact my blood sugar ran low. after eac one i had months of isues. years later ( like ten) they found my left ovary had 2 cysts , one simple one complex , the ovary itself was dead, laprascopic surgery for that, a year later after months of non stop bleeding issues and an undetermined mass (non cancerous) they removed the uterus, also because of scar tissue etc the incision was long almost the same as the earlier & the gyno threw in a double hernia repair around both sides of my belly button (most likely the spots of the lapro)a few more lapro's for ovarian cysts on my remaining right ovary (21 cysts at one time)in 2006 14 days after i got married to b exact , i was sitting in the recliner watching tv on my day off of work, my stomach started swelling up & hurting, i went to the er....the entire inside incision from my hysterectomy had opened up as well as the 2 lapro incisions i had done they basicly did a triple hernia surgery the next morning and placed in a 6x4 piece of mesh holding things together, 4 months later the right ovary blew a cyst that bled into my ovary and i needed emergency surgery to remove that....6 months later the incision from that lapro also herniated and was repaired with mesh. the large mesh became infected i spent 3 weeks on iv anti biotics that i did at home 2 times a day,then and only then a year later after a shoulder surgery for a rotator issue i found out i was diabetic.everythings been checked thouroghly, my thyroid ,all the things to rule out anything.funny thing is i follow a strict diet ( up until now of course) and yet my cholesterol wasnt changing, my trigs were high, they changed my cholesterol meds 3 times.i only suffered heartburn with one pregnancy , i never ate spicy foods or fried foods, i never had an ulcer or bowel problems.yes they have scoped me 2 times in the last year everything normal , ive been cat scanned i have a fatty liver 3 3 " liver cysts a kidney stone ( i get those alot too)they did a gallbladder scan , the one that takes a few hours to watch the dye pass thru...when the last shot came she warned me that if i came here for gallbladder pain it might return, the intense pain nausea are pretty indescribable.lately i run an intermitten low fever my norm temp is 97.4 i go up as high as 99...last april (5 months ago) i went because it was 102.5 , thats what kept me in the hospital. as im typing this i have just woken up , i felt so bad hurt so much that i just wanted a nap , my temps starting to come up a lil, not enough that if i went to the hospital they would b concerned.in fact its luck of the draw going, i think i will go weekdays cuz the weekend drs seem to pass stuff off as nothing.needless to say wether its lack of nutrition ( i do take a multi vitamin a day for diabetics)i no longer even feel like eating , every bone, muscle in my body hurts.so if this gives u any more info that can help. i know ur not a dr, but honestly i dont care, sometimes people who go thru stuff or live with people that do have more info than a dr who read a textbook. any help is worth it. --- In gallstones , " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote: > > Hi LORI, > > While I cannot relate, I may be able to shed some light on the issues. First, they are issues, not an issue and they are all connected. Diabetes, 6 abdominal surgeries, the resons for the latter, are all in play. I noticed that your email address is dumpling girl. Do not know the reason but if it is 'cause you like carbs, this will be a main factor as well. I assume from the symptoms and history that you are a bit overweight. When I try and count up six abdominal surgeries like hysterectomy, hernia, appendectomy, ovarian cysts and the like, It gets quite hard. because of this, I expect some of them were for internal organ prolapse (hernia definitely is) and all the mesh would lend me that way as well. This is probably serious enough that it should be handled outside of an internet group by a qualified professional. If the surgeon does not recommend surgery and it is because of the amount of previous intervention it is probably advisable to leave surgery to the last option. It in itself could be very dangerous and will not offer any guarantees. How do they know your gallbladder " empties slowly? did they inject a dye, put you on a scope and image or did the doctors conclude this because of the absence of stones? > > Your diet while engineered to avoid the release of bile is compounding the situation terribly. Low fat diets as recommended by standard medicine is so bloody myopic as to be blind. To get your gallbladder (and I am not convinced this is all gallbladder) and liver healthier it requires the production of bile and the movement of bile. Dale's suggestions of lecithin and taurine are spot on. Listen carefully to that guy. Dale knows more about gallbladders now than anyone I know. I would add malic acid in one form or another, water, fiber, liver herbs, and most of all lot's of cold pressed, unheated, quality oils, etc. Your doctors statement of " use whatever works " is potentially lethal. While the baking soda may ease the acidic discomfort, it is further screwing up your digestion by interfering with the digestive acidic environment. The vast majority of people in the US with acidity problems (digestive, not systemic) are low in HCL not over. Long subject but suggest Dr. 's new book (believe it is titled " Acid is good for you " ); I have not read it yet but know him and his knowledge well, he is spot on. Try ginger for nausea. Licorice and slippery elm for the acidity. > > Again, let me reiterate that with the cluster you-know-what of abdominal intervention you have had and the other health issues you presently have, it is quite doubtful that simply removing a suspected organ is going to give you great relief and may be potentially dangerous. All the best, -Dave > I feel like im dying... > > > in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. > I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . > ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " > anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Hi Lori, I think what everyone is trying to say is that you actually need " good oils " to stimulate your gall baldder to work. So, the lethicin and taurine (which i will also look up on line because i am not familiar with it) will get gall bladder to work a bit (hopefully)...I also take fish oils and use fresh uncooked high quality olive oil in almost all my meals, as well as cayenne pepper. Lemon water from fresh lemons with cayenne is wonderful for it's alkalining and antiinflammatory properties--also great for heart burn as is Apple cider vinegar... I do hope you feel better... Rose ________________________________ From: LORI <dumplinsgirl@...> gallstones Sent: Sat, October 3, 2009 1:27:12 PM Subject: Re: I feel like im dying...  Yes its only on the right side, ive pretty much had every test known to man done because initially they thought it was something else.Its directly under my right side ribs in the front, when its not painful hurting , it feels as if its a balloon expanding inside.The beef thing is not an option , i cant stomach beeef never could , really dont like the taste of it, nor pork, that includes sausage , bacon , pork chops ribs etc...for ten years or more i lived a relatively vegatarian diet because i dont like eggs meat etc...what i didnt know is almost everything i did eat was starchy, rice , potatoes, wheat bread (but still got carbs)as far as the belly roll, no actually i dont, i do have a fatty liver tho, in fact the only time my belly looks fat it when it suddenly blows up (usually during the gallbladder issues) and it actually becomes hard on that side.sometimes it almost looks swollen on the right but not the left in the same area. > > My only question regarding the pain is as to whether it is only on the right side and moving back and forth from the front to the back. Otherwise you certainly sound to have a sever case of a gallbladder that may be thickened and causing you a lot of great pain. I have been there and dealt with that too. > > The next thing you may consider is to start eating lean beef to get lecithin from it and supplementing with around 4800 mg or more of it daily along with taurine. This will help in making a much better bile. > > > The fact that you are diabetic doesn't help too much either. I take it you are a type two diabetic and not stuck with the use of a needle as a type one. This can be symptomatic of the overall problem the liver, gallbladder, and intestines are having. It can be causing you to also be overweigh and having a liver roll around the mid section. This condition is called Syndrome X for which you may be behooved to consider researching it and what processes you can do to deal with it which in turn can help with the pains you get from the gallbladder and liver condition. > > There are plenty of books regarding this condition and the steps to take to deal with it. One I would suggest is Dr. Cabot's <http://www.liverdoctor.com/>and with that I also suggest her book the Liver Cleansing Diet. > > Dale > > I feel like im dying... > > > in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. > I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . > ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " > anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Not to take over your post dumplins, But can I ask after a gallbladder attack does your gallbladder ache for a while? My last attack was 2 days ago and my gallbladder area is very tender when I move certin ways. Just wondering. Thanks ? I feel like im dying... gallstones Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:48 AM ? in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 My husband reports the same thing. Sometimes even if he does not have a true attack, his gullbladder is tender after a meal. It stays like that for a few days.. Odile I feel like im dying... gallstones Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:48 AM ? in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 oh and btw....the name dumplinsgirl did not come from weight, my best friend used to call my b/f turned husband my luv dumplin ...i thought it was cheesy and it stuck...everyone calls him dumplin...since hes mine ...im dumplinsGIRL get it ? lol > > thnx 4 ur input Dave , your very very close to the situation, I has three c-Sections (starting @ 17 y/o) my kids were 9 lbs 13 oz , 7 12oz (premature) and 9 lb 8 oz , i was not over weight at that point in my life and the dr had to encourage me to eat period. All three c sections were troublesome long incisions from my navel almost to my pelvic bone. no i did not show diabetic gestational diabetes in fact my blood sugar ran low. after eac one i had months of isues. years later ( like ten) they found my left ovary had 2 cysts , one simple one complex , the ovary itself was dead, laprascopic surgery for that, a year later after months of non stop bleeding issues and an undetermined mass (non cancerous) they removed the uterus, also because of scar tissue etc the incision was long almost the same as the earlier & the gyno threw in a double hernia repair around both sides of my belly button (most likely the spots of the lapro)a few more lapro's for ovarian cysts on my remaining right ovary (21 cysts at one time)in 2006 14 days after i got married to b exact , i was sitting in the recliner watching tv on my day off of work, my stomach started swelling up & hurting, i went to the er....the entire inside incision from my hysterectomy had opened up as well as the 2 lapro incisions i had done they basicly did a triple hernia surgery the next morning and placed in a 6x4 piece of mesh holding things together, 4 months later the right ovary blew a cyst that bled into my ovary and i needed emergency surgery to remove that....6 months later the incision from that lapro also herniated and was repaired with mesh. the large mesh became infected i spent 3 weeks on iv anti biotics that i did at home 2 times a day,then and only then a year later after a shoulder surgery for a rotator issue i found out i was diabetic.everythings been checked thouroghly, my thyroid ,all the things to rule out anything.funny thing is i follow a strict diet ( up until now of course) and yet my cholesterol wasnt changing, my trigs were high, they changed my cholesterol meds 3 times.i only suffered heartburn with one pregnancy , i never ate spicy foods or fried foods, i never had an ulcer or bowel problems.yes they have scoped me 2 times in the last year everything normal , ive been cat scanned i have a fatty liver 3 3 " liver cysts a kidney stone ( i get those alot too)they did a gallbladder scan , the one that takes a few hours to watch the dye pass thru...when the last shot came she warned me that if i came here for gallbladder pain it might return, the intense pain nausea are pretty indescribable.lately i run an intermitten low fever my norm temp is 97.4 i go up as high as 99...last april (5 months ago) i went because it was 102.5 , thats what kept me in the hospital. as im typing this i have just woken up , i felt so bad hurt so much that i just wanted a nap , my temps starting to come up a lil, not enough that if i went to the hospital they would b concerned.in fact its luck of the draw going, i think i will go weekdays cuz the weekend drs seem to pass stuff off as nothing.needless to say wether its lack of nutrition ( i do take a multi vitamin a day for diabetics)i no longer even feel like eating , every bone, muscle in my body hurts.so if this gives u any more info that can help. i know ur not a dr, but honestly i dont care, sometimes people who go thru stuff or live with people that do have more info than a dr who read a textbook. any help is worth it. > > --- In gallstones , " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@> wrote: > > > > Hi LORI, > > > > While I cannot relate, I may be able to shed some light on the issues. First, they are issues, not an issue and they are all connected. Diabetes, 6 abdominal surgeries, the resons for the latter, are all in play. I noticed that your email address is dumpling girl. Do not know the reason but if it is 'cause you like carbs, this will be a main factor as well. I assume from the symptoms and history that you are a bit overweight. When I try and count up six abdominal surgeries like hysterectomy, hernia, appendectomy, ovarian cysts and the like, It gets quite hard. because of this, I expect some of them were for internal organ prolapse (hernia definitely is) and all the mesh would lend me that way as well. This is probably serious enough that it should be handled outside of an internet group by a qualified professional. If the surgeon does not recommend surgery and it is because of the amount of previous intervention it is probably advisable to leave surgery to the last option. It in itself could be very dangerous and will not offer any guarantees. How do they know your gallbladder " empties slowly? did they inject a dye, put you on a scope and image or did the doctors conclude this because of the absence of stones? > > > > Your diet while engineered to avoid the release of bile is compounding the situation terribly. Low fat diets as recommended by standard medicine is so bloody myopic as to be blind. To get your gallbladder (and I am not convinced this is all gallbladder) and liver healthier it requires the production of bile and the movement of bile. Dale's suggestions of lecithin and taurine are spot on. Listen carefully to that guy. Dale knows more about gallbladders now than anyone I know. I would add malic acid in one form or another, water, fiber, liver herbs, and most of all lot's of cold pressed, unheated, quality oils, etc. Your doctors statement of " use whatever works " is potentially lethal. While the baking soda may ease the acidic discomfort, it is further screwing up your digestion by interfering with the digestive acidic environment. The vast majority of people in the US with acidity problems (digestive, not systemic) are low in HCL not over. Long subject but suggest Dr. 's new book (believe it is titled " Acid is good for you " ); I have not read it yet but know him and his knowledge well, he is spot on. Try ginger for nausea. Licorice and slippery elm for the acidity. > > > > Again, let me reiterate that with the cluster you-know-what of abdominal intervention you have had and the other health issues you presently have, it is quite doubtful that simply removing a suspected organ is going to give you great relief and may be potentially dangerous. All the best, -Dave > > I feel like im dying... > > > > > > in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. > > I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . > > ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " > > anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Both me & my adult son have used gall bladder flush to move them out. Mine were larger, his was smaller but he had pain for long period of time till he asked for help. R. ________________________________ From: odile kaylor <odile_wolf@...> gallstones Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 7:33:22 PM Subject: RE: I feel like im dying... My husband reports the same thing. Sometimes even if he does not have a true attack, his gullbladder is tender after a meal. It stays like that for a few days.. Odile I feel like im dying... gallstones@gro ups.com Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:48 AM ? in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Hi Lori, I kinda figured that it was not about weight when I read your response to Dale. I am guffawing out loud though 'cuz my son was looking over my shoulder the other morning while I was working on my post to you and he said, " Maybe they call her husband Dumplin. " . I told him he was completely wacked... All that scar tissue and mesh can really interfere with the proper flow of qi, blood and the like. Kind of like trying to pick up cell service under major power lines. You might try and find some type of body worker who truly knows how to release the scar tissue. Got to get you off the baking soda, it is going to exacerbate the digestive issues. No matter how many times they scope you, things are not normal. Idiots. I am sure they are nice people but deluded about their knowledge base. When you got someone writhing in pain and you cannot see the problem does not mean it does not exists... It means you cannot see the problem... (maybe there is more for me to learn...?) The cysts are an indication of " hormonal " imbalance. I will call it cold sluggish and congested " flow " . This is why they form in the first place. Warming your liver and other endocrine organs up is pretty important. Dong quai is the number one female hormonal (not estrogenic) herb on the planet and it is warming. The high triglycerides is indicative of endocrine (mainly thyroid but you cannot separate the function of the different organs) dysfunction, unless you eat a bunch of carbs. This can cause gallbladder issues by the way. Do not like the cholesterol meds at all, the way they work is by throwing a monkey wrench into the gears of your liver. Very bad stuff (long story). If you can find a real qi gong master and OMD in your area that does tui na (a type of massage using chi as well) they may be able to straighten a bit of this out. Would like to reiterate that you are not the poster child for gallbladder and with everything else I really do not think that surgery is your best immediate option. If your gallbladder is the main culprit it may give you some relief but there is much more going on, and with all the previous intervention may make some things worse. After reading the litany of your journey I understand why the surgeon is reluctant. He/she does not want to touch you with a ten foot pole... Don't lose hope, there are many possible solutions for you, you are just going to need to step out of the box to find them. The box is a bit responsible for the predicament you are in and no longer has anything left in the bottom of it's bag of tricks. We can talk by phone or Skype if you would like, email me of group in that case. Always, in all ways, -Dave I feel like im dying... > > > > > > in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. > > I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . > > ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " > > anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Hi Lori, I just saw this and other messages in my spam folder. I am sorry to read all this and I am sorry you had to go though all this.  Dave is so knowledgable and caring. I am glad he is helping you and that you found this site. I hope you find relief soon. Rose ________________________________ From: LORI <dumplinsgirl@...> gallstones Sent: Sat, October 3, 2009 7:15:27 PM Subject: Re: I feel like im dying...  thnx 4 ur input Dave , your very very close to the situation, I has three c-Sections (starting @ 17 y/o) my kids were 9 lbs 13 oz , 7 12oz (premature) and 9 lb 8 oz , i was not over weight at that point in my life and the dr had to encourage me to eat period. All three c sections were troublesome long incisions from my navel almost to my pelvic bone. no i did not show diabetic gestational diabetes in fact my blood sugar ran low. after eac one i had months of isues. years later ( like ten) they found my left ovary had 2 cysts , one simple one complex , the ovary itself was dead, laprascopic surgery for that, a year later after months of non stop bleeding issues and an undetermined mass (non cancerous) they removed the uterus, also because of scar tissue etc the incision was long almost the same as the earlier & the gyno threw in a double hernia repair around both sides of my belly button (most likely the spots of the lapro)a few more lapro's for ovarian cysts on my remaining right ovary (21 cysts at one time)in 2006 14 days after i got married to b exact , i was sitting in the recliner watching tv on my day off of work, my stomach started swelling up & hurting, i went to the er....the entire inside incision from my hysterectomy had opened up as well as the 2 lapro incisions i had done they basicly did a triple hernia surgery the next morning and placed in a 6x4 piece of mesh holding things together, 4 months later the right ovary blew a cyst that bled into my ovary and i needed emergency surgery to remove that....6 months later the incision from that lapro also herniated and was repaired with mesh. the large mesh became infected i spent 3 weeks on iv anti biotics that i did at home 2 times a day,then and only then a year later after a shoulder surgery for a rotator issue i found out i was diabetic.everything s been checked thouroghly, my thyroid ,all the things to rule out anything.funny thing is i follow a strict diet ( up until now of course) and yet my cholesterol wasnt changing, my trigs were high, they changed my cholesterol meds 3 times.i only suffered heartburn with one pregnancy , i never ate spicy foods or fried foods, i never had an ulcer or bowel problems.yes they have scoped me 2 times in the last year everything normal , ive been cat scanned i have a fatty liver 3 3 " liver cysts a kidney stone ( i get those alot too)they did a gallbladder scan , the one that takes a few hours to watch the dye pass thru...when the last shot came she warned me that if i came here for gallbladder pain it might return, the intense pain nausea are pretty indescribable. lately i run an intermitten low fever my norm temp is 97.4 i go up as high as 99...last april (5 months ago) i went because it was 102.5 , thats what kept me in the hospital. as im typing this i have just woken up , i felt so bad hurt so much that i just wanted a nap , my temps starting to come up a lil, not enough that if i went to the hospital they would b concerned.in fact its luck of the draw going, i think i will go weekdays cuz the weekend drs seem to pass stuff off as nothing.needless to say wether its lack of nutrition ( i do take a multi vitamin a day for diabetics)i no longer even feel like eating , every bone, muscle in my body hurts.so if this gives u any more info that can help. i know ur not a dr, but honestly i dont care, sometimes people who go thru stuff or live with people that do have more info than a dr who read a textbook. any help is worth it. --- In gallstones@gro ups.com, " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawarene ss@...> wrote: > > Hi LORI, > > While I cannot relate, I may be able to shed some light on the issues. First, they are issues, not an issue and they are all connected. Diabetes, 6 abdominal surgeries, the resons for the latter, are all in play. I noticed that your email address is dumpling girl. Do not know the reason but if it is 'cause you like carbs, this will be a main factor as well. I assume from the symptoms and history that you are a bit overweight. When I try and count up six abdominal surgeries like hysterectomy, hernia, appendectomy, ovarian cysts and the like, It gets quite hard. because of this, I expect some of them were for internal organ prolapse (hernia definitely is) and all the mesh would lend me that way as well. This is probably serious enough that it should be handled outside of an internet group by a qualified professional. If the surgeon does not recommend surgery and it is because of the amount of previous intervention it is probably advisable to leave surgery to the last option. It in itself could be very dangerous and will not offer any guarantees. How do they know your gallbladder " empties slowly? did they inject a dye, put you on a scope and image or did the doctors conclude this because of the absence of stones? > > Your diet while engineered to avoid the release of bile is compounding the situation terribly. Low fat diets as recommended by standard medicine is so bloody myopic as to be blind. To get your gallbladder (and I am not convinced this is all gallbladder) and liver healthier it requires the production of bile and the movement of bile. Dale's suggestions of lecithin and taurine are spot on. Listen carefully to that guy. Dale knows more about gallbladders now than anyone I know. I would add malic acid in one form or another, water, fiber, liver herbs, and most of all lot's of cold pressed, unheated, quality oils, etc. Your doctors statement of " use whatever works " is potentially lethal. While the baking soda may ease the acidic discomfort, it is further screwing up your digestion by interfering with the digestive acidic environment. The vast majority of people in the US with acidity problems (digestive, not systemic) are low in HCL not over. Long subject but suggest Dr. 's new book (believe it is titled " Acid is good for you " ); I have not read it yet but know him and his knowledge well, he is spot on. Try ginger for nausea. Licorice and slippery elm for the acidity. > > Again, let me reiterate that with the cluster you-know-what of abdominal intervention you have had and the other health issues you presently have, it is quite doubtful that simply removing a suspected organ is going to give you great relief and may be potentially dangerous. All the best, -Dave > I feel like im dying... > > > in april i spent a week in the hospital with an " undetermined " infection and gallbladder issues. I dont have stones, i have sludge, and my gallbladder emptys slowly.3 drs reccomended surgery , the surgeon didnt , i went with him. since then my life is hell, yes hell.At first it was a few times a week it bothered me...i changed my diet, no meat except boneless skinless chicken breast (im allergic to fish) and i havent eaten red meat or pork in years.I was never a milk drinker when i did it was in cereal and it was 2%.Im diabetic and prolly have been for alot longer than anyone has known, ive got the diabetes trifecta , high b/p high cholesterol. > I home make all my foods to b able to watch fat , salt, sugar etc intake, i do mean everything is made from scratch, if its not i do not eat it.i use only xtra virgin olive oil when absolutely nessasary . > ok to the point...at first it was every few days ,it would go away. a few times i fasted on chicken broth for 3 days till it stopped hurting, then it started hurting more often for longer periods of time...ive had the pain up the chest around the ribs up my shoulder , sometimes it felt like a heart attack, sometimes like bad indigestion, sometimes the acid was enough to make me cry. always it feels like a balloon expanding inside of my lower right side rib area. NOW its daily, almost non stop , i cant sleep, the acid kills me i been useing baking soda because nothing works to stop the acid & nausea (the dr says goes with what works) im doing 8 ozs of that three times a day now.last 4 days my only meal has been 2 pieces of toast per day , i added a bananna because i have low potassium and wanted to die after.Ive had scopes done on both ends both are clear...no gerd...no ulcer..no hiatal hernia. no colon issues no irritable bowel.ive had around 6 major abdominal surgeries in the past and have alot of mesh in the belly area i think thats why he didnt want to operate, his advice was " lay off dairy " maybe had he asked he woulda known i dont " DO DAIRY " > anyway does anyone else have these types of symptoms ? am i a freak of nature...sunday past the er sent me home knowing it was gallbladder because my blood work was fine...even i kno that less than 25% of non gallstone gallbladder issues have bad bloodwork and thats usually gangrene or sepsis related.my life sucks, i cannot eat anything anymore,i cannot drink anything anymore but water & even that starts it up sometimes, sometimes nothing starts it up , i rode in a car and got nauseaus and next thing i kno its blowing up my belly and hurting. any help is good help if anyone can relate > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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