Re: Re: A new member's introduction and question

Posted June 30, 2009 · June 30, 2009

Hulda = lay on right side...

Who really knows, you were able to hold it down previously...

Just keep doing it.

From: dcdietrich90 <dcdietrich90@...>

Subject: Re: A new member's introduction and question

gallstones

Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 8:48 AM

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> This is a real exciting thing to see a young man do this.

> Now the reason for throwing up may be you are not laying on the right

> side. I try to stay on my right side all night.

> I also add to my mix 1/2 c. tomato juice. This seems to help with dose

> going down and staying down. I learned this several years ago and it

> works.

> Try this and see if it is not better.

> Also do some reflexology on the meridian of the GB and liver and you

> will be amazed how much better you can eliminate the stones.

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That's probably it. I've been lying on my left side. Perhaps I've been reading

the directions wrong three times in a row, or perhaps the directions have been

wrong three times in row... either way, this is a very good tip! Thank you!

Also, I will definitely have to use some ginger tea or some ginger/peppermint

tea.

Posted July 1, 2009 · July 1, 2009

No - Huld does not say lie on your right side - SHE STATES TO LAY ON YOUR

BACK AND DON'T MOVE

From: dcdietrich90 <dcdietrich90>

Subject: Re: A new member's introduction and question

gallstones@gro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 8:48 AM

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> This is a real exciting thing to see a young man do this.

> Now the reason for throwing up may be you are not laying on the right

> side. I try to stay on my right side all night.

> I also add to my mix 1/2 c. tomato juice. This seems to help with dose

> going down and staying down. I learned this several years ago and it

> works.

> Try this and see if it is not better.

> Also do some reflexology on the meridian of the GB and liver and you

> will be amazed how much better you can eliminate the stones.

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That's probably it. I've been lying on my left side. Perhaps I've been reading

the directions wrong three times in a row, or perhaps the directions have been

wrong three times in row... either way, this is a very good tip! Thank you!

Also, I will definitely have to use some ginger tea or some ginger/peppermint

tea.

Posted July 1, 2009 · July 1, 2009

there are some who say lay on the right, some whop say lay lay on the left, and

some who say lay on your back with knees up... No matter if you are going to

stand on your head, limiting movement after taking the olive oil and lemon juice

is most important. We have the slurry made, assume the position, drink the

lovely stuff and then don't move. drinking it in the kitchen then going to bed

is a sure fire recipe for nausea. -D

Re: A new member's introduction and question

gallstones@gro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 8:48 AM

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> This is a real exciting thing to see a young man do this.

> Now the reason for throwing up may be you are not laying on the right

> side. I try to stay on my right side all night.

> I also add to my mix 1/2 c. tomato juice. This seems to help with dose

> going down and staying down. I learned this several years ago and it

> works.

> Try this and see if it is not better.

> Also do some reflexology on the meridian of the GB and liver and you

> will be amazed how much better you can eliminate the stones.

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That's probably it. I've been lying on my left side. Perhaps I've been reading

the directions wrong three times in a row, or perhaps the directions have been

wrong three times in row... either way, this is a very good tip! Thank you!

Also, I will definitely have to use some ginger tea or some ginger/peppermint

tea.

Posted July 1, 2009 · July 1, 2009

my memory could be incorrect, thanks

From: dcdietrich90 <dcdietrich90>

Subject: Re: A new member's introduction and question

gallstones@gro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 8:48 AM

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> This is a real exciting thing to see a young man do this.

> Now the reason for throwing up may be you are not laying on the right

> side. I try to stay on my right side all night.

> I also add to my mix 1/2 c. tomato juice. This seems to help with dose

> going down and staying down. I learned this several years ago and it

> works.

> Try this and see if it is not better.

> Also do some reflexology on the meridian of the GB and liver and you

> will be amazed how much better you can eliminate the stones.

>

That's probably it. I've been lying on my left side. Perhaps I've been reading

the directions wrong three times in a row, or perhaps the directions have been

wrong three times in row... either way, this is a very good tip! Thank you!

Also, I will definitely have to use some ginger tea or some ginger/peppermint

tea.

Posted July 2, 2009 · July 2, 2009

Personally, I might be wrong, but I remember Hulda's book saying to lay on your

right side - GB side...sp this left side is strange to me.

Can someone check their bok and see which side?

Thanks, Jay

From: dcdietrich90 <dcdietrich90@...>

Subject: Re: A new member's introduction and question

gallstones

Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 6:22 PM

My instructions were: suck the muck, get down on your back asap with the

head up and don't move for at least thirty minutes, then try to sleep on the

left side with the right arm pulled up to the chest.

The reason I probably did so well the first time was that I really didn't pass

anything to speak of. I got plenty sick the second time. This third time I just

got desperate...

Thanks to you all so much!

Posted July 6, 2009 · July 6, 2009

hehehehe very confusing...left or right, up or down.....i hope wahtever

the position people choose, it helps to get the stones out of their

gall......

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:35 AM, fjnie1234 <Fred.Niehaus@...>wrote:

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Posted July 7, 2009 · July 7, 2009

I am not one to normally do this - but I told you so, told you so, told you so,

hahahahahaha...

Lay on your right side as Hulda said...

Right side = good, left side = throw up.

Sent from the Staples Center Zoo.

Jay

From: mkathryn59 <mkathryn59@...>

Subject: Re: A new member's introduction and question

gallstones

Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:21 AM

In doing the flushes with the olive oil and lemon, You most definitely

have to lay on the right side so the mix empties from the stomach into

the liver and up into the GB. IF you lay on the left side then it is

going to come back up and you dont want that.

The stomach empties to the right, not left. This is the reason.

This goes for whether or not it is for the GB or kidney stones. The oil

has to empty to the right side.

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Posted July 7, 2009 · July 7, 2009

hehehehe i am enjoying the different medical theories...

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Posted July 7, 2009 · July 7, 2009

Kudos Fred. It is a reaction to the large amount of oil that causes the liver

to express a large amount of bile and the gallbladder to contract to expel

concentrated bile. You cannot take a 2 dimensional picture of the organ system,

tip it on it's side, and assume that is how it works. The oils consumed must be

assimilated through the wall of the small intestine, enter the blood stream, be

transported to the liver, in order for them to enter the liver. The liver then

produces and expels bile. Some and not only not all but a small amount of bile

then travels up the gallbladder duct from the common bile duct into the

gallbladder where it is then concentrated for the purpose of emulsifying fats.

-D

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Posted July 8, 2009 · July 8, 2009

Would love to hear a description of the process whereby bringing the knees to

the chest or lying on the right side " forces the olive oil mixture out of the

stomach and into the liver area " . The only connection between the liver and the

alimentary canal is through the common bile duct. The gallbladder is an " empty "

sack, and draws ( like a pipette) some of the bile (again, not only not all, but

only a portion of) up into itself where it is then concentrated for the purpose

of the emulsification of fats. This is one of and a very important aspect of

bile. Of course the other aspect is the elimination of metabolic and

potentially " toxic " environmental wastes that have been filtered out by the

liver. The gallbladder is not involved in this aspect and to the contrary would

rather not be subjected to any of it. It's sole (soul) purpose is to

concentrate and reserve a quantity of bile for when as Fred said, fats are

consumed and then it constricts to supply a quantity of bile for the digestive

process. The liver is not an " empty " organ. It's purpose is not to draw oils

up through the common bile duct. Fats are essential for liver function but they

must go through the digestive and assimilative processes first. They are then

delivered to the liver through the bloodstream not the common bile duct. It is

a one way deal. Down and out. This system is not a drawing. It is a twisty

twirly bag of guts... This is like the description of releasing a gallbladder

full of " stones " and then having a bunch more drop down from the liver into the

gallbladder. Not. Look at the physiology. This would require the " stones "

being drawn up through the gallbladder bile duct from the common duct. Not

going to happen. There are definitely liver stones and they can be expelled by

the liver but would travel directly through the common bile duct into the small

intestine. They are not going to take an extremely (damn near impossible)

difficult field trip up the gallbladder duct for the fun of it. If there is

someone purporting the below I would love to have it explained. Thanks, -Dave

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Posted July 9, 2009 · July 9, 2009

Thanks ,

Just one more example of us needing to be very careful about what we read

on the internet. Think that Elan said it all yesterday. We need to be exposed

to all " points of view " but need also to filter through the quagmire. One other

caution about this particular site is they are assuming that the only use of the

magnesium is to relax the ducts. The main reason for the magnesium is to

evacuate the bowel. Please pardon both my sense of humor and my appropriate

choice of words, but if I am going to take a load of putrid shit to the dump, I

want to make sure the highway is completely clear... If I get stuck in

congested traffic with it, it may make me miserable... Always, in all ways,

-Dave

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Posted July 10, 2009 · July 10, 2009

Never thought you were . And posting this was essential to this group.

Hope my words and tone conferred no slight. While I have a large academic and

experiential background in " health " , the vast majority of what I know about

gallbladders, stones and the like has been from the likes of you, Brad, Dale,

Elan, etc... Thank you. -D

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Posted July 11, 2009 · July 11, 2009

the epsom salt in the liver cleanse is not for cleaning the bowels,

but for opening up the bile ducts to release the stones

colon cleansing should always be done before and after the liver cleanse

Judy Kemecsei

Cleansing Coach

& Massage Therapist

818-789-1698

On Jul 11, 2009, at 3:58 AM, Dave Shelden wrote:

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> not know if it went through. in case it did not... -D

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Posted July 11, 2009 · July 11, 2009

Sorry Judy. The Epsom salts is for evacuating the bowel before the big purge.

Yes, it does help to relax the ducts and this is an important aspect as well

(see below) but this is not a one purpose application. Having the alimentary

cannel as evacuated as possible is of extreme importance. If not transit time

is increased and reabsorbtion thereby; which I am sure you are aware of. Ever

done a colonic on someone who went to the all you can eat pizza feed the night

before and had not had a bowel movement yet? Can clog a $10,000 dollar machine

pretty easily and cause you to spend several hours at a not so fun task. I know

that you purport colon cleansing before and after, but the only " colon

cleansing " aspects of the commonly disseminated flushes is achieved through the

application of Epsom salts (starting 24 before hand in multiple doses). So I

find it curious that you deny this particular use of the Epsom salts... I am

sure you are aware of the importance in bowel management of the use of magnesium

for softening the stool in the cases of cold dry constipation. If we apply an

anthroquinone containing herb to this type of constitution we induce very

uncomfortable griping because we are forcing peristalsis against a load of

cement. Hence products available even in a Safeway store like magnesium citrate

or Milk of Magnesia... -D

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Posted July 12, 2009 · July 12, 2009

Wow is this erroneous information - whoever you are you need to be much more

responsible disseminating health information, at least be correct, this is a

listserve for health.

From: mkathryn59 <mkathryn59@...>

Subject: Re: A new member's introduction and question

gallstones

Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 12:00 AM

When you do a GB flush, you need to pull the knees up to the chest to

force the oil mix out of the stomach into the liver area.

I found this web site with info on how this all works. I will paste some

of it here and you can read the rest on the site.

Your Digestive System and How It Works

The digestive system is made up of the digestive tractâ€”a series of

hollow organs joined in a long, twisting tube from the mouth to the

anusâ€”and other organs that help the body break down and absorb food

(see figure).

Organs that make up the digestive tract are the mouth, esophagus,

stomach, small intestine, large intestineâ€”also called the

colonâ€”rectum, and anus. Inside these hollow organs is a lining

called the mucosa. In the mouth, stomach, and small intestine, the

mucosa contains tiny glands that produce juices to help digest food. The

digestive tract also contains a layer of smooth muscle that helps break

down food and move it along the tract.

Two " solid " digestive organs, the liver and the pancreas,

produce digestive juices that reach the intestine through small tubes

called ducts. The gallbladder stores the liver's digestive juices

until they are needed in the intestine. Parts of the nervous and

circulatory systems also play major roles in the digestive system.

[Top <http://digestive. niddk.nih. gov/ddiseases/ pubs/yrdd/ #top> ]

Why is digestion important?

When you eat foodsâ€”such as bread, meat, and vegetablesâ€”they are

not in a form that the body can use as nourishment. Food and drink must

be changed into smaller molecules of nutrients before they can be

absorbed into the blood and carried to cells throughout the body.

Digestion is the process by which food and drink are broken down into

their smallest parts so the body can use them to build and nourish cells

and to provide energy.

[Top <http://digestive. niddk.nih. gov/ddiseases/ pubs/yrdd/ #top> ]

How is food digested?

Digestion involves mixing food with digestive juices, moving it through

the digestive tract, and breaking down large molecules of food into

smaller molecules. Digestion begins in the mouth, when you chew and

swallow, and is completed in the small intestine.

Movement of Food Through the System

The large, hollow organs of the digestive tract contain a layer of

muscle that enables their walls to move. The movement of organ walls can

propel food and liquid through the system and also can mix the contents

within each organ. Food moves from one organ to the next through muscle

action called peristalsis. Peristalsis looks like an ocean wave

traveling through the muscle. The muscle of the organ contracts to

create a narrowing and then propels the narrowed portion slowly down the

length of the organ. These waves of narrowing push the food and fluid in

front of them through each hollow organ.

The first major muscle movement occurs when food or liquid is swallowed.

Although you are able to start swallowing by choice, once the swallow

begins, it becomes involuntary and proceeds under the control of the

nerves.

Swallowed food is pushed into the esophagus, which connects the throat

above with the stomach below. At the junction of the esophagus and

stomach, there is a ringlike muscle, called the lower esophageal

sphincter, closing the passage between the two organs. As food

approaches the closed sphincter, the sphincter relaxes and allows the

food to pass through to the stomach.

The stomach has three mechanical tasks. First, it stores the swallowed

food and liquid. To do this, the muscle of the upper part of the stomach

relaxes to accept large volumes of swallowed material. The second job is

to mix up the food, liquid, and digestive juice produced by the stomach.

The lower part of the stomach mixes these materials by its muscle

action. The third task of the stomach is to empty its contents slowly

into the small intestine.

Several factors affect emptying of the stomach, including the kind of

food and the degree of muscle action of the emptying stomach and the

small intestine. Carbohydrates, for example, spend the least amount of

time in the stomach, while protein stays in the stomach longer, and fats

the longest. As the food dissolves into the juices from the pancreas,

liver, and intestine, the contents of the intestine are mixed and pushed

forward to allow further digestion.

Finally, the digested nutrients are absorbed through the intestinal

walls and transported throughout the body. The waste products of this

process include undigested parts of the food, known as fiber, and older

cells that have been shed from the mucosa. These materials are pushed

into the colon, where they remain until the feces are expelled by a

bowel movement.

Production of Digestive Juices

The digestive glands that act first are in the mouthâ€”the salivary

glands. Saliva produced by these glands contains an enzyme that begins

to digest the starch from food into smaller molecules. An enzyme is a

substance that speeds up chemical reactions in the body.

The next set of digestive glands is in the stomach lining. They produce

stomach acid and an enzyme that digests protein. A thick mucus layer

coats the mucosa and helps keep the acidic digestive juice from

dissolving the tissue of the stomach itself. In most people, the stomach

mucosa is able to resist the juice, although food and other tissues of

the body cannot.

After the stomach empties the food and juice mixture into the small

intestine, the juices of two other digestive organs mix with the food.

One of these organs, the pancreas, produces a juice that contains a wide

array of enzymes to break down the carbohydrate, fat, and protein in

food. Other enzymes that are active in the process come from glands in

the wall of the intestine.

The second organ, the liver, produces yet another digestive

juiceâ€”bile. Bile is stored between meals in the gallbladder. At

mealtime, it is squeezed out of the gallbladder, through the bile ducts,

and into the intestine to mix with the fat in food. The bile acids

dissolve fat into the watery contents of the intestine, much like

detergents that dissolve grease from a frying pan. After fat is

dissolved, it is digested by enzymes from the pancreas and the lining of

the intestine.

Absorption and Transport of Nutrients

Most digested molecules of food, as well as water and minerals, are

absorbed through the small intestine. The mucosa of the small intestine

contains many folds that are covered with tiny fingerlike projections

called villi. In turn, the villi are covered with microscopic

projections called microvilli. These structures create a vast surface

area through which nutrients can be absorbed. Specialized cells allow

absorbed materials to cross the mucosa into the blood, where they are

carried off in the bloodstream to other parts of the body for storage or

further chemical change. This part of the process varies with different

types of nutrients.

http://digestive. niddk.nih. gov/ddiseases/ pubs/yrdd/

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Again Liz, if you want to keep your gallbladder you might think of attempting to

let go of your anger. This is a group for the exchange of information, support,

discussion and debate. All viewpoints are viable. was posting what she

had been told and it is of no less import to the members of the group than any

other. It then comes up for discussion which it did. Her posting it was the

responsible thing to do by the way. And there is nothing " unhealthy " about the

below. If you are to post statements such as the below, it would be of value

for the rest of us if you would explain your judgments... -D

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Posted July 21, 2009 · July 21, 2009

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I am disappointed in your response to me below which refers to another listserv

members posting and recommnedation based on obviously erroneous scientific

information.Â You of all people do the same when members post erroneous

information and you do the same asking people to be repsonsible.

From: mkathryn59 <mkathryn59 (DOT) com<mailto:mkathryn59 (DOT) com>>

Subject: Re: A new member's introduction and question

gallstones@gro ups.com<mailto:gallstones% 40groups. com>

Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 12:00 AM

When you do a GB flush, you need to pull the knees up to the chest to

force the oil mix out of the stomach into the liver area.

I found this web site with info on how this all works. I will paste some

of it here and you can read the rest on the site.

Your Digestive System and How It Works

The digestive system is made up of the digestive tractâ€”a series of

hollow organs joined in a long, twisting tube from the mouth to the

anusâ€”and other organs that help the body break down and absorb food

(see figure).

Organs that make up the digestive tract are the mouth, esophagus,

stomach, small intestine, large intestineâ€”also called the

colonâ€”rectum, and anus. Inside these hollow organs is a lining

called the mucosa. In the mouth, stomach, and small intestine, the

mucosa contains tiny glands that produce juices to help digest food. The

digestive tract also contains a layer of smooth muscle that helps break

down food and move it along the tract.

Two " solid " digestive organs, the liver and the pancreas,

produce digestive juices that reach the intestine through small tubes

called ducts. The gallbladder stores the liver's digestive juices

until they are needed in the intestine. Parts of the nervous and

circulatory systems also play major roles in the digestive system.

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