Re: CT Scan Results questions for Dave

[Guest guest]

The medical community seems to think that imaging showing thickening or thinning

of the gallbladder wall is evidence that it needs to be removed. It shows

dysfunction and ill health but so does that burping, nausea, pain, etc. Whether

it is gallbladder, liver, diabetes, hypothyroid, etc., the answer would always

be the same: Attempting to bring the body back to " health " first through change

of thought, education, diet, lifestyle, supplements, herbs, practices, is always

going to be the most advisable. So to the questions specifically:

1. Excellent. However flushing is not a one time magic bullet cure for

gallbladder disease. I would far prefer to coax it back through less violent

means first if possible. This depends on symptoms, patience, etc. Things that

thin the bile and stimulate production such as water, lecithin, malic acid, etc.

may be in order first. Traditional healing techniques didn't use flushes. This

does not detract from their value though. Boldo's nickname in South America is

" breakstone " As is phyllanthus nururi (Bhumy amalaki, Chancha piedra) in

Ayurveda. Lysmachia (golden coin grass) has been used for hundreds of years in

traditional chinese medicine. " Chinese bitters " is a classic containing this,

coptis and a few other herbs. Ask yourself, " 200 years ago, what would my

choices have been? " That exploration will reveal many options. While having

your gallbladder removed was an option then, it probably was not as attractive.

You would have been biting on a stick while someone opened you up with much

cruder instruments, and the sanitation and possibility of an infection would

have been an issue for me. No health insurance to pay for it. So you would

probably be searching for less invasive methods.

2. Absolutely not... Unless you are talking with an abdominal surgeon...

3. All the best. The archives should be full of options and testimonials.

There have been a few people as of late on the group who have chosen to have the

organ removed. This was not a " wrong " decision. However the idea that " I can

eat whatever I want, I know I am digesting my food completely (paraphrased), and

that I can continue life as " usual now " , is a dangerous and seductive mistress.

You can live without your gallbladder. But whatever got you to where you are

at, unchanged, may lead to worse unseemingly different conditions later in life.

Does it sound like I am pleading to view this as a great big friendly wakeup

call from a loving " God " and Universe? You bet I am.

In the best of health and happiness,

-Dave

CT Scan Results questions for Dave

Dave, questions. If the CT scan reveals that the GB is thin walled and

distended:

1. What are the chances that flushing will help?

2. Is this an " automatic " gallbladder removal candidate?

3. Is there anything that will help bring the GB back into balance?

4. Anything else to add?

Thank you for your wisdowm and knowledge. It is very much appreciated. Wish

you did consultations. (wink) thanks. .

[Guest guest]

As always, thank you Dave.

One more question. How does a fatty liver complicate the GB issue, especially

the one mentioned below? Do you suggest any other course of action?

Unfortunately, pain is not the only symptom of all this. There is constant

sickness as well, (throw uppy, sick stomach feelings,etc.).

.

--- In gallstones , " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...>

wrote:

>

> The medical community seems to think that imaging showing thickening or

thinning of the gallbladder wall is evidence that it needs to be removed. It

shows dysfunction and ill health but so does that burping, nausea, pain, etc.

Whether it is gallbladder, liver, diabetes, hypothyroid, etc., the answer would

always be the same: Attempting to bring the body back to " health " first through

change of thought, education, diet, lifestyle, supplements, herbs, practices, is

always going to be the most advisable. So to the questions specifically:

>

> 1. Excellent. However flushing is not a one time magic bullet cure for

gallbladder disease. I would far prefer to coax it back through less violent

means first if possible. This depends on symptoms, patience, etc. Things that

thin the bile and stimulate production such as water, lecithin, malic acid, etc.

may be in order first. Traditional healing techniques didn't use flushes. This

does not detract from their value though. Boldo's nickname in South America is

" breakstone " As is phyllanthus nururi (Bhumy amalaki, Chancha piedra) in

Ayurveda. Lysmachia (golden coin grass) has been used for hundreds of years in

traditional chinese medicine. " Chinese bitters " is a classic containing this,

coptis and a few other herbs. Ask yourself, " 200 years ago, what would my

choices have been? " That exploration will reveal many options. While having

your gallbladder removed was an option then, it probably was not as attractive.

You would have been biting on a stick while someone opened you up with much

cruder instruments, and the sanitation and possibility of an infection would

have been an issue for me. No health insurance to pay for it. So you would

probably be searching for less invasive methods.

>

> 2. Absolutely not... Unless you are talking with an abdominal surgeon...

>

> 3. All the best. The archives should be full of options and testimonials.

There have been a few people as of late on the group who have chosen to have the

organ removed. This was not a " wrong " decision. However the idea that " I can

eat whatever I want, I know I am digesting my food completely (paraphrased), and

that I can continue life as " usual now " , is a dangerous and seductive mistress.

You can live without your gallbladder. But whatever got you to where you are

at, unchanged, may lead to worse unseemingly different conditions later in life.

Does it sound like I am pleading to view this as a great big friendly wakeup

call from a loving " God " and Universe? You bet I am.

>

> In the best of health and happiness,

>

> -Dave

> CT Scan Results questions for Dave

>

>

>

>

>

> Dave, questions. If the CT scan reveals that the GB is thin walled and

distended:

>

> 1. What are the chances that flushing will help?

> 2. Is this an " automatic " gallbladder removal candidate?

> 3. Is there anything that will help bring the GB back into balance?

> 4. Anything else to add?

>

> Thank you for your wisdowm and knowledge. It is very much appreciated. Wish

you did consultations. (wink) thanks. .

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is an excellent example of how an " illness " (gallbladder disease) is not an

isolated situation. You cannot separate the liver from the gallbladder (unless

you have a knife) anymore than you can the kidneys (renals) from the adrenals

(or the adrenal cortex from the adrenal medulla), Pulmonary from cardio, cardio

from immune, etc. So, If you have " fatty liver " this will be a major player in

the gallbladder symptoms you are experiencing. Fatty liver is a broad term used

to describe an enlarged liver showing excess adipose tissue. Liver function

will definitely be off. It potentially " leads " to diabetes, cirrhosis, is

associated with metabolic X, hypothyroid, etc. Having the gallbladder removed

will do nothing for this. So this is what I mean about a false sense of

security when having the organ removed. you alleviate symptoms but if other

changes and therapy are not enacted we may be headed for problems in other areas

down the road. I have zero doubt that 's father has not experienced any

negative symptoms since having his gallbladder removed. has always come

across as intelligent, caring, and honest. As to whether 's father has

compromise from the removal of his organ though, I cannot say.

Let's take a look at the A and P (anatomy and physiology) of the

Liver/Gallbladder cascade for a moment. The gallbladder while downstream from

the liver is not a lake in the stream. It is a backwater cove. So the liver is

secreting bile all the time in small amounts (though 2 liters per day). No

sphincter. Much of the bile is secreted even with a gallbladder directly into

the small intestine. Having said this, there are smooth muscles in the area

which under certain situations will contract, squeeze the liver to some extent

and increase bile flow, but not the rule by any means. Some of this bile flows

up the gallbladder duct into the gallbladder where it is both stored but even

more importantly concentrated. There is absorption of fluid by the gallbladder

to do this. the purpose? To store a quantity of concentrated bile for the

release upon the consumption of fats. If you have your gallbladder removed

there is no " dump " of a quantity of concentrated bile, therefore will hamper the

emulsification and digestion of fats to some extent. Not up for argument.

therefore there is the possibility that body tissues and functions dependent of

the proper digestion of fats may be compromised. This can be ameliorated to

some extent by the consumption of supplemental bile, bile salts, lecithin, or

lipase enzymes with the intake of fats. The detoxification function of the

liver are not affected outside of scar tissue or inflammation associated with

sloppy or necessary surgery if the junction of the ducts is involved. As

Munawar pointed out there is much that can help after the removal of the organ

by timing, quantity and type of food consumption. Most do not make these

lifestyle changes though...

So in regards to the nausea, vomiting, etc., these may ore may not be

completely associated with the gallbladder problem. You may or may not find

relief of symptoms by removal. My main point is there is more going on.

Removal of the organ may hide other issues ultimately more important. Whether

one saves the organ or not, diet, lifestyle, and paradigm changes are essential

to quality of life. All the best, -Dave

CT Scan Results questions for Dave

>

>

>

>

>

> Dave, questions. If the CT scan reveals that the GB is thin walled and

distended:

>

> 1. What are the chances that flushing will help?

> 2. Is this an " automatic " gallbladder removal candidate?

> 3. Is there anything that will help bring the GB back into balance?

> 4. Anything else to add?

>

> Thank you for your wisdowm and knowledge. It is very much appreciated. Wish

you did consultations. (wink) thanks. .

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your wisdom, insight, and assistance. Always appreciated.

.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dave for sharing your wisdom, knowledge and experience. Although i

dont know much about your background because i joined this forum not long

ago but i must say that we are lucky to have a person like you on this

forum.

Every organ in human body is very important because every organ has to

perform a function. Now some of the the functions in the body have more

impact on over all performance of the person and some have little to

contribute. Some organs may be replaced or removed and some dont have any

alternatives. We humans are a perfect blend of flesh and blood.

When we speak about GB, we must admit that GB has an important role tro play

however when it comes to live without a GB we must be thankful to God as

well that HE did not put us in LOTS of trouble and we can survive without it

without much difficulty. I am not totally denying the fact there wont be

any difficulty, obviously there will be problems but at the same time i must

say we should be thankful to God that he did not put us in a very difficult

situation when we lose our GBs.

Now that i have removed my GB and i analyze my situation with troubled GB

and without GB now, i came to conclusion that in both cases i was

suffering. I was very careful, took several herbs, used several

homeoptahic remedies, watching my diet to save my GB and all these efforts

were not an easy task to do. I hope all of you would agree that saving your

GB is not an EASY task at all. You have to fight all the time and every way

and fear of having a painful attack is always there. However, i must say

that after all these struggles your best achievement is that you save your

organ. Now lets come to the situation when you do not have a GB, what do

you do then. The first impact is psychological. You get rid of the fear of

having a painful attack again (although some people get pain attacks after

the romoval but in most cases you get rid of this probelm and you are pain

free). Then comes the other part which is: What measure one should take to

provide the closest service to digestive system which were provided by GB.

Before you go for any supplements or medicines, you HAVE to change your life

style otherwise over the period of time you will get more complicated

problems than gallstones. So change of life style is a must. You have to

avoid fatty foods, you have to eat smaller meals, you have to eat several

hours before going to bed and you have to EXCERCISE regularly. Regular

excercise will help you digestion and burning extra fats, both. I take

green tea and fennel tea after lunch and dinner and trust me, i feel so

relaxed and gas and bloating free that i would say, give it a try, if you

dont belive me. Fennel is such a great herb that every house in south asia

use this and it is a very safe thing to take because it is even given to new

born babies for colic, gas etc. in the form of gripe water. And it is a

great blood purifier. And it is very cheap, one can easily afford it.

Now you can compare the life of a person with gallstone and GB intact and

without GB. Both have to fight hard. We cant say that people with GB are

winner and others with no GB are loosers. I would say both are the victims

and both are suffering and will suffer the rest of their life. Because they

HAVE to change their life style no matter what.

Now its up to the person where they decide to be. Fight while having GB

intact or fight after removing your GB. Trsut me, once you have gallstones,

those troubled gallstones, consider yourself in a fight from that day on and

there is no end to this fight no matter what you do. Winning Trophy goes

to GALLSTONES only, unfortunately.

I wish you all the best and i hope and pray that we all live a healthy life

and bring health and peace in the life of others as well.

God Bless the whole world. Amen

Munawar

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Dave Shelden

<wholehealthawareness@...>wrote:

>

>

> This is an excellent example of how an " illness " (gallbladder disease) is

> not an isolated situation. You cannot separate the liver from the

> gallbladder (unless you have a knife) anymore than you can the kidneys

> (renals) from the adrenals (or the adrenal cortex from the adrenal medulla),

> Pulmonary from cardio, cardio from immune, etc. So, If you have " fatty

> liver " this will be a major player in the gallbladder symptoms you are

> experiencing. Fatty liver is a broad term used to describe an enlarged liver

> showing excess adipose tissue. Liver function will definitely be off. It

> potentially " leads " to diabetes, cirrhosis, is associated with metabolic X,

> hypothyroid, etc. Having the gallbladder removed will do nothing for this.

> So this is what I mean about a false sense of security when having the organ

> removed. you alleviate symptoms but if other changes and therapy are not

> enacted we may be headed for problems in other areas down the road. I have

> zero doubt that 's father has not experienced any negative symptoms

> since having his gallbladder removed. has always come across as

> intelligent, caring, and honest. As to whether 's father has compromise

> from the removal of his organ though, I cannot say.

>

> Let's take a look at the A and P (anatomy and physiology) of the

> Liver/Gallbladder cascade for a moment. The gallbladder while downstream

> from the liver is not a lake in the stream. It is a backwater cove. So the

> liver is secreting bile all the time in small amounts (though 2 liters per

> day). No sphincter. Much of the bile is secreted even with a gallbladder

> directly into the small intestine. Having said this, there are smooth

> muscles in the area which under certain situations will contract, squeeze

> the liver to some extent and increase bile flow, but not the rule by any

> means. Some of this bile flows up the gallbladder duct into the gallbladder

> where it is both stored but even more importantly concentrated. There is

> absorption of fluid by the gallbladder to do this. the purpose? To store a

> quantity of concentrated bile for the release upon the consumption of fats.

> If you have your gallbladder removed there is no " dump " of a quantity of

> concentrated bile, therefore will hamper the emulsification and digestion of

> fats to some extent. Not up for argument. therefore there is the possibility

> that body tissues and functions dependent of the proper digestion of fats

> may be compromised. This can be ameliorated to some extent by the

> consumption of supplemental bile, bile salts, lecithin, or lipase enzymes

> with the intake of fats. The detoxification function of the liver are not

> affected outside of scar tissue or inflammation associated with sloppy or

> necessary surgery if the junction of the ducts is involved. As Munawar

> pointed out there is much that can help after the removal of the organ by

> timing, quantity and type of food consumption. Most do not make these

> lifestyle changes though...

>

> So in regards to the nausea, vomiting, etc., these may ore may not be

> completely associated with the gallbladder problem. You may or may not find

> relief of symptoms by removal. My main point is there is more going on.

> Removal of the organ may hide other issues ultimately more important.

> Whether one saves the organ or not, diet, lifestyle, and paradigm changes

> are essential to quality of life. All the best, -Dave

> CT Scan Results questions for Dave

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dave, questions. If the CT scan reveals that the GB is thin walled and

> distended:

> >

> > 1. What are the chances that flushing will help?

> > 2. Is this an " automatic " gallbladder removal candidate?

> > 3. Is there anything that will help bring the GB back into balance?

> > 4. Anything else to add?

> >

> > Thank you for your wisdowm and knowledge. It is very much appreciated.

> Wish you did consultations. (wink) thanks. .

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

if I have sick stomach feelings I try some apple cider vinegar.   It seem to

work.

From: ccordell1 <cscordell@...>

Subject: Re: CT Scan Results questions for Dave

gallstones

Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 5:18 AM

As always, thank you Dave.

One more question. How does a fatty liver complicate the GB issue, especially

the one mentioned below? Do you suggest any other course of action?

Unfortunately, pain is not the only symptom of all this. There is constant

sickness as well, (throw uppy, sick stomach feelings,etc. ).

.

--- In gallstones@gro ups.com, " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawarene ss@...>

wrote:

>

> The medical community seems to think that imaging showing thickening or

thinning of the gallbladder wall is evidence that it needs to be removed. It

shows dysfunction and ill health but so does that burping, nausea, pain, etc.

Whether it is gallbladder, liver, diabetes, hypothyroid, etc., the answer would

always be the same: Attempting to bring the body back to " health " first through

change of thought, education, diet, lifestyle, supplements, herbs, practices, is

always going to be the most advisable. So to the questions specifically:

>

> 1. Excellent. However flushing is not a one time magic bullet cure for

gallbladder disease. I would far prefer to coax it back through less violent

means first if possible. This depends on symptoms, patience, etc. Things that

thin the bile and stimulate production such as water, lecithin, malic acid, etc.

may be in order first. Traditional healing techniques didn't use flushes. This

does not detract from their value though. Boldo's nickname in South America is

" breakstone " As is phyllanthus nururi (Bhumy amalaki, Chancha piedra) in

Ayurveda. Lysmachia (golden coin grass) has been used for hundreds of years in

traditional chinese medicine. " Chinese bitters " is a classic containing this,

coptis and a few other herbs. Ask yourself, " 200 years ago, what would my

choices have been? " That exploration will reveal many options. While having your

gallbladder removed was an option then, it probably was not as attractive. You

would have been biting on a stick

while someone opened you up with much cruder instruments, and the sanitation

and possibility of an infection would have been an issue for me. No health

insurance to pay for it. So you would probably be searching for less invasive

methods.

>

> 2. Absolutely not... Unless you are talking with an abdominal surgeon...

>

> 3. All the best. The archives should be full of options and testimonials.

There have been a few people as of late on the group who have chosen to have the

organ removed. This was not a " wrong " decision. However the idea that " I can eat

whatever I want, I know I am digesting my food completely (paraphrased) , and

that I can continue life as " usual now " , is a dangerous and seductive mistress.

You can live without your gallbladder. But whatever got you to where you are at,

unchanged, may lead to worse unseemingly different conditions later in life.

Does it sound like I am pleading to view this as a great big friendly wakeup

call from a loving " God " and Universe? You bet I am.

>

> In the best of health and happiness,

>

> -Dave

> CT Scan Results questions for Dave

>

>

>

>

>

> Dave, questions. If the CT scan reveals that the GB is thin walled and

distended:

>

> 1. What are the chances that flushing will help?

> 2. Is this an " automatic " gallbladder removal candidate?

> 3. Is there anything that will help bring the GB back into balance?

> 4. Anything else to add?

>

> Thank you for your wisdowm and knowledge. It is very much appreciated. Wish

you did consultations. (wink) thanks. .

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave, your comments confirmed what I was thinking. Thank you again for your

assistance. .