Re: Gallbladder flush gone wrong

December 27, 2009

hi Leif,

Your symptoms are all gallbladder symptoms. That does not mean that they are

all gallbladder some can be other things as well, but pretty safe to assume that

you have gallbladder problems. Flushes are no guarantee and when they are not

immediately successful they can exacerbate problems. I am going to hit a bees

nest with this one when I say that flushing and releasing " stones " is dubious if

they are the green blob soft kind. Depending on the density of actual stones it

is possible for an ultrasound to come up with a false negative but green

floating blobs are not proof positive in my fantasy either. 80% of all stones

are silent, meaning that 4 out of 5 people with stones never know it unless they

are detected in some other way than symptomatically. however the fact that you

did the flushes and now feel like shit sure points in this direction. First

would strongly suggest all sorts of gallbladder/liver support but no flushing

for a while (since you have done 2 flushes and things are worse: third time is

not always a charm...). Work on dilution and dissolution for a while before re

attempting a flush. Gallons of water (tiny bit of lemon helps). Lecithin.

Malic acid or acetic acid (raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar). Taurine. Cold

pressed raw oils. Castor oil packs over liver/gallbladder. Cold draining

chologeric and chologague herbs. The phyllanthus is excellent. Others include

yellow dock, coptis, dandelion, golden coin grass (sorry, the scientific name is

escaping me at the moment and too lazy to head out to the clinic...), gentian,

rhubarb, etc. Warming liver/gallbladder stimulating herb (but with great

caution because of your internal heat) containing volatile oils (terpenes) such

as boldo, peppermint, oregano, etc. these work very differently than the cold

herbs. They help to dissolve by breaking up and dispersing because of the

volatiles. All of the above but water should start out prudent and work your

way up. For the time being for the throat you can try moist demulcents like

slippery elm, marshmallow, licorice etc. Slippery elm should be available in

lozenges. Any of the " bind the essence " herbs like schizandra, maca, shatavari,

should help. Once you get your liver/gallbladder stuff handled the internal

heat should reduce a lot. Depending on your constitution it may be something

that you will need to address to some extent for a long time though. Ed at Herb

Pharm makes fantastic products. Best of luck and may you wake up better

tomorrow. Always, in all ways,

-Dave

Gallbladder flush gone wrong

I first tried the Dr. Schultz gallbladder flush using raw sunflower oil. I

felt worse afterwards so i figured i just needed to switch the oils. Just a few

days ago i tried the flush using raw olive oil and felt even worse than the

first flush. I got internal heating immediately afterwards and now have a

constant aching pain in my side right around where the gallbladder is. The pain

increases whenever i lay down and can sleep only about 2 hours at a time.

About 3 months ago i got a ultrasound test and nothing showed up, so i

dismissed the idea of having gallstones. Then someone told me i cant rely on the

tests because hers came up negative even though she still had gallstones and got

rid of them by doing a flush, so now i am dubious. What i do know is the side

pain and internal heating increases whenever i eat fatty foods, so i avoid oils,

meats, eggs, dairy, nuts, seeds, breads, pastries, etc. A typical meal that i

eat includes rice, fish, and veggies. I eat most meals with holy basil which

feels good. I also must eat only small meals. If i overeat (more than a

child-size meal) then i will get a stomach and will break out in a sweat from my

body become burning hot no matter what i eat. I got a hold of the stone breaker

herb (Phyllanthus niruri) and feel slightly better after drinking the tea (very

bitter). Has anyone tried the stone breaker chanca piedrac compound by Herb

Pharm? Two out of the 4 ingredients are known to help with gallstones and the

other 2 help with the liver. Any other ideas?

In addition, my throat is a always dry and itchy no matter how much water i

drink. This poses a serious problem due to my profession being singing. Im open

to any suggestions on how to keep my throat moist.

December 27, 2009

I think you need to look into GERD and IBS as well. good luck!

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Dave Shelden

<wholehealthawareness@...>wrote:

>

> hi Leif,

>

> Your symptoms are all gallbladder symptoms. That does not mean that they

> are all gallbladder some can be other things as well, but pretty safe to

> assume that you have gallbladder problems. Flushes are no guarantee and when

> they are not immediately successful they can exacerbate problems. I am going

> to hit a bees nest with this one when I say that flushing and releasing

> " stones " is dubious if they are the green blob soft kind. Depending on the

> density of actual stones it is possible for an ultrasound to come up with a

> false negative but green floating blobs are not proof positive in my fantasy

> either. 80% of all stones are silent, meaning that 4 out of 5 people with

> stones never know it unless they are detected in some other way than

> symptomatically. however the fact that you did the flushes and now feel like

> shit sure points in this direction. First would strongly suggest all sorts

> of gallbladder/liver support but no flushing for a while (since you have

> done 2 flushes and things are worse: third time is not always a charm...).

> Work on dilution and dissolution for a while before re attempting a flush.

> Gallons of water (tiny bit of lemon helps). Lecithin. Malic acid or acetic

> acid (raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar). Taurine. Cold pressed raw oils.

> Castor oil packs over liver/gallbladder. Cold draining chologeric and

> chologague herbs. The phyllanthus is excellent. Others include yellow dock,

> coptis, dandelion, golden coin grass (sorry, the scientific name is escaping

> me at the moment and too lazy to head out to the clinic...), gentian,

> rhubarb, etc. Warming liver/gallbladder stimulating herb (but with great

> caution because of your internal heat) containing volatile oils (terpenes)

> such as boldo, peppermint, oregano, etc. these work very differently than

> the cold herbs. They help to dissolve by breaking up and dispersing because

> of the volatiles. All of the above but water should start out prudent and

> work your way up. For the time being for the throat you can try moist

> demulcents like slippery elm, marshmallow, licorice etc. Slippery elm should

> be available in lozenges. Any of the " bind the essence " herbs like

> schizandra, maca, shatavari, should help. Once you get your

> liver/gallbladder stuff handled the internal heat should reduce a lot.

> Depending on your constitution it may be something that you will need to

> address to some extent for a long time though. Ed at Herb Pharm makes

> fantastic products. Best of luck and may you wake up better tomorrow.

> Always, in all ways,

>

> -Dave

>

> Gallbladder flush gone wrong

>

> I first tried the Dr. Schultz gallbladder flush using raw sunflower oil. I

> felt worse afterwards so i figured i just needed to switch the oils. Just a

> few days ago i tried the flush using raw olive oil and felt even worse than

> the first flush. I got internal heating immediately afterwards and now have

> a constant aching pain in my side right around where the gallbladder is. The

> pain increases whenever i lay down and can sleep only about 2 hours at a

> time.

>

> About 3 months ago i got a ultrasound test and nothing showed up, so i

> dismissed the idea of having gallstones. Then someone told me i cant rely on

> the tests because hers came up negative even though she still had gallstones

> and got rid of them by doing a flush, so now i am dubious. What i do know is

> the side pain and internal heating increases whenever i eat fatty foods, so

> i avoid oils, meats, eggs, dairy, nuts, seeds, breads, pastries, etc. A

> typical meal that i eat includes rice, fish, and veggies. I eat most meals

> with holy basil which feels good. I also must eat only small meals. If i

> overeat (more than a child-size meal) then i will get a stomach and will

> break out in a sweat from my body become burning hot no matter what i eat. I

> got a hold of the stone breaker herb (Phyllanthus niruri) and feel slightly

> better after drinking the tea (very bitter). Has anyone tried the stone

> breaker chanca piedrac compound by Herb Pharm? Two out of the 4 ingredients

> are known to help with gallstones and the other 2 help with the liver. Any

> other ideas?

>

> In addition, my throat is a always dry and itchy no matter how much water i

> drink. This poses a serious problem due to my profession being singing. Im

> open to any suggestions on how to keep my throat moist.

>

December 27, 2009

>

> I first tried the Dr. Schultz gallbladder flush using raw sunflower oil.

Hello,

Could you please explain exactly what flush protocol you used? Did it include

ingesting several doses of dissolved epsom salt and/or fasting for at least 8

hours, plus at least one enema prior to the flush? If not, it's possible that

the flushes you did were unsuccessful for a number of different reasons due to

the protocol you used.

At this point, doing a couple of coffee enemas would probably be very beneficial

for you, as they will help to support your liver's ability to cleanse and heal

itself.

You might also consider taking some dissolved epsom salt orally. This will do a

couple of things: first, it will act as a bowel cleanser by causing several

loose stools, providing a good detox. Secondly, the magnesium in the epsom salt

will help to relax the biliary ducts and stimulate the gall bladder to release

some bile. This is important because if you're eating little or no fat, your

gall bladder is not being signaled regularly to release bile and this could be

causing stagnation (and perhaps some pain??) in the gall bladder.

I would also heartily second Dave's recommendation to do castor oil packs over

the liver, which provide benefits on several different levels.

Besides chanca piedra, dandelion root and milk thistle seed are two of the best

herbs you can take for liver cleansing and support. The most economical way

I've found to take these kinds of herbs is to buy them powdered in bulk from

Mountain Rose Herbs and encapsulate them myself. You can buy 1/4 of each of

these herbs (which are certified organic) for under $4 each at

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com Alternatively, you could get the herbs in

their unpowdered form and make your own teas and/or tinctures from them.

For your dry itchy throat, there are a number of natural remedies you can try.

How about some nice herb tea with a dollop of honey and a squeeze of lemon

juice? You can also try doing mega doses of vitamin C in divided doses

throughout the day. Many people like to put cayenne powder in warm water and

drink it, or take it mixed with some vinegar and honey for a scratchy throat.

The capsicum in the hot pepper stimulates blood flow, and may help to ease the

itchiness and moisten your throat. You could also try sucking on some zinc

lozenges. And a tea or syrup of wild cherry bark is another beneficial, natural

alternative for soothing an irritated throat.

Hope this helps and that you're feeling better soon!

Elan

December 28, 2009

I second all of this but especially the coffee enemas. They stimulate some

liver detoxifying enzymes that are not stimulated through oral ingestion.

However oral ingestion of freshly ground, brewed, organic coffee can also be

helpful but you must be careful. Coffee contains Chologeric acids, so named

because the stimulate bile production. There is the stimulation of bile

production and then there is the stimulation of bile flow. These are different

processes both important.

Re: Gallbladder flush gone wrong

>

> I first tried the Dr. Schultz gallbladder flush using raw sunflower oil.

Hello,

Could you please explain exactly what flush protocol you used? Did it include

ingesting several doses of dissolved epsom salt and/or fasting for at least 8

hours, plus at least one enema prior to the flush? If not, it's possible that

the flushes you did were unsuccessful for a number of different reasons due to

the protocol you used.

At this point, doing a couple of coffee enemas would probably be very

beneficial for you, as they will help to support your liver's ability to cleanse

and heal itself.

You might also consider taking some dissolved epsom salt orally. This will do

a couple of things: first, it will act as a bowel cleanser by causing several

loose stools, providing a good detox. Secondly, the magnesium in the epsom salt

will help to relax the biliary ducts and stimulate the gall bladder to release

some bile. This is important because if you're eating little or no fat, your

gall bladder is not being signaled regularly to release bile and this could be

causing stagnation (and perhaps some pain??) in the gall bladder.

I would also heartily second Dave's recommendation to do castor oil packs over

the liver, which provide benefits on several different levels.

Besides chanca piedra, dandelion root and milk thistle seed are two of the

best herbs you can take for liver cleansing and support. The most economical way

I've found to take these kinds of herbs is to buy them powdered in bulk from

Mountain Rose Herbs and encapsulate them myself. You can buy 1/4 of each of

these herbs (which are certified organic) for under $4 each at

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com<http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/>

Alternatively, you could get the herbs in their unpowdered form and make your

own teas and/or tinctures from them.