Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Wow, these lists sure are a mouthful... Even if following them would save your gallbladder, trying to follow them might stress you to death and you would probably end up worse ill in another way. They list onions and garlic as helpful and tell you to stay away from onions... Stay away from fiber but eat apples and pears (4 grams of fiber per)... Lemons are OK but oranges and grapefruit are out? No Chicken (white meat), pork (the other white meat), and no red meat. Protein sources are trimming down. No dairy, no eggs; trimming down further. Ok, we can go vegan but now we have to cut out all legumes. Now we are screwed. Major vegan protein source. the no no on legumes is because they increase the cholesterol in the bile??? Would you rather have it in your arteries? Legumes contain no cholesterol, nor the precursors. The fiber (4 times the fiber of oatmeal) soaks it up in the digestive tract after it is emitted in the bile. No fiber, guess what you reabsorb...? Yup, bile, so now you get to load the liver and gallbladder up again. Avoidance diets like this screw your liver and gallbladder up more while you are shaking in fear of another attack. The problem with gallstone formation is the balance of constituents. Too little water, too little acids, to little lecithin. Too much congealed lipids. The cholesterol then comes out of suspension and coagulates. Eat sensibly, drink plenty of water, extra lecithin and mild acids such as citric, malic, acetic, etc. stimulate buckets of thin bile. Take smooth muscle relaxing compounds such as magnesium, wild cherry bark, Jamaican dogwood etc in order to prevent another spasm. Soften your stones (if you have them) the same way. When they are soft and small enough blow them out by creating the spasm! That is what the flushes do. -D a list of foods--fyi GALLBLADDER DIET HELPFUL FOODS Beets Cucumbers Green beans - are NOT the same as dried Okra Sweet potatoes Avocados - a good way to get needed fats directly from food Vinegars all types Garlic and onions help with liver cleansing but not processed types like flakes or powder. But some people have trouble digesting them so pay attention Shallots Tomatoes - ripe cold water fish Lemons (lemon juice in the morning with hot water helps to clean the liver) Grapes and fresh organic grape juice apples, berries, papaya, pears Omega 3 oils like flax or hemp. Use these with fresh lemon juice or vinegar on your salads. DO NOT COOK flax oil. Vegetable juices - Beet and cucumber are especially helpful to gallbladder You can add other green vegetables like tender baby greens, swiss chard, dandelion greens, beet greens, celery, carrots -- avoid the cabbage family) Avoid all fruit juices except organic grape juice and organic apple (self-juiced is best). All the vegetables listed above for juicing are good. Use baby mixed organic greens for salads and avoid the bitter greens for now. Stay away from--- Fiber such as found in fruits and vegetables and guar gum Eggs, pork, onion, fowl, milk, coffee, oranges, grapefruit, corn, beans, nuts, in that order. Trans fats Hydrogenated, partially-hydrogenated oils Margarine Fried Foods Saturated fats (even coconut oil until feeling better) Red meats Dairy products Eggs (Research showed that eggs caused symptoms in up to 95% of patients. However, in my clinical experience soft-boiled or poached with no fat added seems to be okay. Perhaps this is due to the lecithin content that is present in the raw or close to raw egg.) Coffee, regular or decaf Chocolate Ice cream Black tea Alcohol, beer, wine, liqueur Fruit juice Carbonated water Tap water Raddishes and turnips Cabbage, cauliflower Colas and all sodas Oats (for some people) Wheat Barley Rye (although the sour German ryes seem to be less troublesome) All legumes (beans) as they tend to increase the cholesterol in the bile. Avoid all artificial sweeteners, sugar, preservatives, refined and bleached foods (like white flour) Many steamed greens like collard, mustard and kale, also brussel sprouts and broccoli seem to be a problem for some people. Greens (and especially kale and brussel sprouts) are used by the liver to detoxify. It may be necessary to avoid these until you have done some work with the products and flushes as well as diet. Your goal should get to the point where these foods do not cause distress, as they actually target the root of the problem. GALLBLADDER DIET TIPS DO NOT OVEREAT DO NOT EAT UNDER STRESS EAT ONLY FRESH FOODS - DO NOT EAT PACKAGED FOODS ORGANIC FOOD IS IMPORTANT ORGANIC IS IMPORTANT - The liver is the root of the problem here, and the pesticides and herbicides used in commercial fruits and vegetables causes extra burden on the liver and therefore, the gallbladder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Thanks for saying what I couldn't, Dave.....I was just in shock. All my favorite foods in the no-no list! I say eat as well as you can and cleanse until you are free of stones, and then maintain by doing a cleanse a few times a year, or whatever your body tells you. herbladie  Wow, these lists sure are a mouthful... Even if following them would save your gallbladder, trying to follow them might stress you to death and you would probably end up worse ill in another way. They list onions and garlic as helpful and tell you to stay away from onions... Stay away from fiber but eat apples and pears (4 grams of fiber per)... Lemons are OK but oranges and grapefruit are out? No Chicken (white meat), pork (the other white meat), and no red meat. Protein sources are trimming down. No dairy, no eggs; trimming down further. Ok, we can go vegan but now we have to cut out all legumes. Now we are screwed. Major vegan protein source. the no no on legumes is because they increase the cholesterol in the bile??? Would you rather have it in your arteries? Legumes contain no cholesterol, nor the precursors. The fiber (4 times the fiber of oatmeal) soaks it up in the digestive tract after it is emitted in the bile. No fiber, guess what you reabsorb...? Yup, bile, so now you get to load the liver and gallbladder up again. Avoidance diets like this screw your liver and gallbladder up more while you are shaking in fear of another attack. The problem with gallstone formation is the balance of constituents. Too little water, too little acids, to little lecithin. Too much congealed lipids. The cholesterol then comes out of suspension and coagulates. Eat sensibly, drink plenty of water, extra lecithin and mild acids such as citric, malic, acetic, etc. stimulate buckets of thin bile. Take smooth muscle relaxing compounds such as magnesium, wild cherry bark, Jamaican dogwood etc in order to prevent another spasm. Soften your stones (if you have them) the same way. When they are soft and small enough blow them out by creating the spasm! That is what the flushes do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Probably. The reason that eggs have the greatest chance of all foods of stimulating an attack is that the fats stimulate a contraction! The lime has the citric acid. As always, keep the phone handy and 911 on speed dial. If you have to use it let them give you the morphine but save your gallbladder for another day... -D a list of foods--fyi Wondering if anyone out there has tried the 'egg yolk and lime juice cleanse' that I've heard about lately.....especially you, Dave. What do you think~will it work? Thanks, herbladie Wow, these lists sure are a mouthful... Even if following them would save your gallbladder, trying to follow them might stress you to death and you would probably end up worse ill in another way. They list onions and garlic as helpful and tell you to stay away from onions... Stay away from fiber but eat apples and pears (4 grams of fiber per)... Lemons are OK but oranges and grapefruit are out? No Chicken (white meat), pork (the other white meat), and no red meat. Protein sources are trimming down. No dairy, no eggs; trimming down further. Ok, we can go vegan but now we have to cut out all legumes. Now we are screwed. Major vegan protein source. the no no on legumes is because they increase the cholesterol in the bile??? Would you rather have it in your arteries? Legumes contain no cholesterol, nor the precursors. The fiber (4 times the fiber of oatmeal) soaks it up in the digestive tract after it is emitted in the bile. No fiber, guess what you reabsorb...? Yup, bile, so now you get to load the liver and gallbladder up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Dave, what are your thoughts on eating according to your blood type? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 All of the different diets work exceptionally well for a percentage of the population. Unfortunately, only that. Some of the best I would guess in the 30-40% range. These are spectacular odds if you are in the 30-40%... The blood type diet is one of the higher percentage ones. Mercola has the " Eat Right For Your Metabolic Type " and while I have not delved greatly, my respect for him would lean me that direction. Personally I prefer those schools that follow a constitutional and energetic profile. Schools such as TCM and Ayurveda have been around for thousands of years, and for very good reason. It gets a bit complicated but for good reason as well. You have basic constitution that would be hereditary which is your underlying base but then you have present manifestation which is your acute " condition " . The rule is to treat acute first and then constitution second. Example: You actually have a thin warm high metabolism constitution but through diet and lifestyle decisions over the past 30 years are 60lbs overweight with hypothyroid and manifesting cold and wet. You would warm and dry, speed up metabolism first even though over heating issues will arise due to your basic warm constitution. The example by the way explains gallstone formation in many people. Others have a basic cold and wet constitution and are cold and wet acutely, they are actually at the greatest risk. You will also have the person with gallstones who is cold and dry, their gallstones are of a completely different consistency, and diet and treatment would be very different. This is also why the flushes work exceptionally well for some, quickly, and others not so well. If we compare theory and protocol such as this to let's say " Eat Right For Your Blood Type " we will find some similarities but many contradictions as well. I would not suggest following any theory blindly just 'cuz it worked famously for your co worker Bill. How was that for a wishy washy non committal answer? Sorry. -D Re: a list of foods--fyi Dave, what are your thoughts on eating according to your blood type? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Exactly! On Feb 2, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Dave Shelden wrote: > Wow, these lists sure are a mouthful... Even if following them would save your gallbladder, trying to follow them might stress you to death and you would probably end up worse ill in another way. They list onions and garlic as helpful and tell you to stay away from onions... Stay away from fiber but eat apples and pears (4 grams of fiber per)... Lemons are OK but oranges and grapefruit are out? No Chicken (white meat), pork (the other white meat), and no red meat. Protein sources are trimming down. No dairy, no eggs; trimming down further. Ok, we can go vegan but now we have to cut out all legumes. Now we are screwed. Major vegan protein source. the no no on legumes is because they increase the cholesterol in the bile??? Would you rather have it in your arteries? Legumes contain no cholesterol, nor the precursors. The fiber (4 times the fiber of oatmeal) soaks it up in the digestive tract after it is emitted in the bile. No fiber, guess what you reabsorb...? Yup, bile, so now you get to load the liver and gallbladder up again. > > Avoidance diets like this screw your liver and gallbladder up more while you are shaking in fear of another attack. The problem with gallstone formation is the balance of constituents. Too little water, too little acids, to little lecithin. Too much congealed lipids. The cholesterol then comes out of suspension and coagulates. Eat sensibly, drink plenty of water, extra lecithin and mild acids such as citric, malic, acetic, etc. stimulate buckets of thin bile. Take smooth muscle relaxing compounds such as magnesium, wild cherry bark, Jamaican dogwood etc in order to prevent another spasm. Soften your stones (if you have them) the same way. When they are soft and small enough blow them out by creating the spasm! That is what the flushes do. > > -D > a list of foods--fyi > > GALLBLADDER DIET > HELPFUL FOODS > > Beets > Cucumbers > Green beans - are NOT the same as dried > Okra > Sweet potatoes > Avocados - a good way to get needed fats directly from food > Vinegars all types > Garlic and onions help with liver cleansing but not processed types like flakes or powder. But some people have trouble digesting them so pay attention > Shallots > Tomatoes - ripe > cold water fish > Lemons (lemon juice in the morning with hot water helps to clean the liver) > Grapes and fresh organic grape juice > apples, berries, papaya, pears > Omega 3 oils like flax or hemp. Use these with fresh lemon juice or vinegar on your salads. DO NOT COOK flax oil. > Vegetable juices - Beet and cucumber are especially helpful to gallbladder You can add other green vegetables like tender baby greens, swiss chard, dandelion greens, beet greens, celery, carrots -- avoid the cabbage family) > Avoid all fruit juices except organic grape juice and organic apple (self-juiced is best). > All the vegetables listed above for juicing are good. Use baby mixed organic greens for salads and avoid the bitter greens for now. > > Stay away from--- > > Fiber such as found in fruits and vegetables and guar gum > Eggs, pork, onion, fowl, milk, coffee, oranges, grapefruit, corn, beans, nuts, in that order. > Trans fats > Hydrogenated, partially-hydrogenated oils > Margarine > Fried Foods > Saturated fats > (even coconut oil until feeling better) > Red meats > Dairy products > Eggs (Research showed that eggs caused symptoms in up to 95% of patients. However, in my clinical experience soft-boiled or poached with no fat added seems to be okay. Perhaps this is due to the lecithin content that is present in the raw or close to raw egg.) > Coffee, regular or decaf > Chocolate > Ice cream > Black tea > Alcohol, beer, wine, liqueur > Fruit juice > Carbonated water > Tap water > Raddishes and turnips > Cabbage, cauliflower > Colas and all sodas > Oats (for some people) > Wheat > Barley > Rye (although the sour German ryes seem to be less troublesome) > All legumes (beans) as they tend to increase the cholesterol in the bile. > Avoid all artificial sweeteners, sugar, preservatives, refined and bleached foods (like white flour) > Many steamed greens like collard, mustard and kale, also brussel sprouts and broccoli seem to be a problem for some people. Greens (and especially kale and brussel sprouts) are used by the liver to detoxify. It may be necessary to avoid these until you have done some work with the products and flushes as well as diet. Your goal should get to the point where these foods do not cause distress, as they actually target the root of the problem. > > GALLBLADDER DIET TIPS > > DO NOT OVEREAT > DO NOT EAT UNDER STRESS > > EAT ONLY FRESH FOODS - DO NOT > EAT PACKAGED FOODS ORGANIC FOOD IS IMPORTANT > ORGANIC IS IMPORTANT - The liver is the root of the problem here, and the pesticides and herbicides used in commercial fruits and vegetables causes extra burden on the liver and therefore, the gallbladder. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Spot on with your assessment Dave - and wishy washy non committal is the only option left in light of the " success " many claim to have had with eat for your blood type- personally I have little faith in it and again if it works for you God Bless... On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Dave Shelden wrote: > past 30 years are 60lbs overweight with hypothyroid and manifesting cold and wet. You would warm and dry, speed up metabolism first even though over heating issues will arise due to your basic warm constitution. The example by the way explains gallstone formation in many people. Others Battaglia Hm 818 897 8500 Cel 818 268 5395 fbattaglia@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Dave, you are an advocate of lecithin. However, it seems that most people are in agreement that unfermented soy is not good to consume. Since lecithin is a soy product, how does lecithin fit into the good vs. bad soy thing? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 My body rejects soy and dairy and blood tests show that I have allergies to them, but whey powder and lecithin do not bother me a LOT if taken in sensible amounts daily. In both cases, not a lot! I can assume from this that much of what ever is bad in both the soy and milk is removed. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Are you allergic to fermented soy products which are completely different ? Milk, well no human after the age of 2 can completely digest dairy anyway - also there are plenty of other sources for protein other than soy and milk good luck FB On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:24 AM, ectopistes@... wrote: > > My body rejects soy and dairy and blood tests show that I have allergies > to them, but whey powder and lecithin do not bother me a LOT if taken in > sensible amounts daily. In both cases, not a lot! > I can assume from this that much of what ever is bad in both the soy and > milk is removed. > > Steph > > Battaglia Hm 818 897 8500 Cel 818 268 5395 fbattaglia@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 I have no idea if I would have a problem with fermented soy or not. All I can say is yuk, no thanks. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 , what is tempe and where can you get it? Re: a list of foods--fyi Are you allergic to fermented soy products which are completely different ? Milk, well no human after the age of 2 can completely digest dairy anyway - also there are plenty of other sources for protein other than soy and milk good luck FB On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:24 AM, ectopistes@... wrote: > > My body rejects soy and dairy and blood tests show that I have allergies > to them, but whey powder and lecithin do not bother me a LOT if taken in > sensible amounts daily. In both cases, not a lot! > I can assume from this that much of what ever is bad in both the soy and > milk is removed. > > Steph > > Battaglia Hm 818 897 8500 Cel 818 268 5395 fbattaglia@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Lecithin is only a constituent of soy and the non ferment issue is mostly about enzyme production that has broken down very difficult protein structures. I too am against all non fermented soy products, the data is overwhelming. Would also demand non GMO, organic source of my lecithin, but am definitely ok with soy being the source. There are other excellent sources of lecithin too. The egg yolk being one. We make that creamy non separated Caesar salad dressing with it and keep the oils in suspension. Same with an aioli or mayonnaise. We can do the same with a vinaigrette if we do not want the egg by using powdered mustard, also high in lecithin. Damn, I am now hungry, gotta go... -D Re: a list of foods--fyi Dave, you are an advocate of lecithin. However, it seems that most people are in agreement that unfermented soy is not good to consume. Since lecithin is a soy product, how does lecithin fit into the good vs. bad soy thing? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 PS: Not only is lecithin an essential ingredient of bile but a major constituent of myelin sheath and your brain! In the case of the brain it is too big to bass through the blood brain barrier so must first be broken down into phosphatidyl choline and phosphatidyl serine. This process is dependent on proper fat digestion so can be a major issue with liver/gallbladder problems. The phosphatidyl choline is dirt cheap, the serine exorbitant, but worth every penny when needed. Also notice the word choline an essential fatty acid. Bile movers are called cholegagues, bile production stimulators cholegerics and all of the fancy monopolistic medical terms around liver/gallbladder stem from the same linguistic root... Cool huh? -D Re: a list of foods--fyi Dave, you are an advocate of lecithin. However, it seems that most people are in agreement that unfermented soy is not good to consume. Since lecithin is a soy product, how does lecithin fit into the good vs. bad soy thing? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Fermented soy is nothing like the name 'fermented " would indicate and is nothing like anything else you may of consumed that has been fermented. It actually is fairly bland and when cooked with vegetables takes on the flavor of the vegetables or the soup- I have a friend who made italian meatballs with it - adding sheep cheese and seasoned breadcrumbs and u could hardly tell the diff- there are many online recipes- you can get tempe at whole foods or organic markets/ health food stores... Good luck FB On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:35 AM, ectopistes@... wrote: > > I have no idea if I would have a problem with fermented soy or not. > All I can say is yuk, no thanks. > > Steph > > Battaglia Hm 818 897 8500 Cel 818 268 5395 fbattaglia@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 When problems are experienced with soy and dairy, protein digestion will be way off. In terms of dairy, there can also be an issue with lactose (a sugar). If just lactose, 2 things may help a lot or eliminate the problem all together. First a plant based digestive enzyme containing lactase anytime there is the remotest chance of sneaky dairy. And second, you might be ok with hard chesses or clabbered (fermented) dairy (yogurt, kefir, etc.). The lactobacillus bacteria gobbles up the lactose. Lovely little buggers. In terms of the protein issue, getting that straightened out is the primary goal and then you get to have really good pizza again. Avoidance diets may be necessary in the beginning in order not to trigger an allergic reaction but should be vestigial in the long run. Bon apatite! -D Re: a list of foods--fyi My body rejects soy and dairy and blood tests show that I have allergies to them, but whey powder and lecithin do not bother me a LOT if taken in sensible amounts daily. In both cases, not a lot! I can assume from this that much of what ever is bad in both the soy and milk is removed. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 It's still amazes me that I can drink milk kefir made by me from MKG because the grains eat up most of the lactose. Love my water kefir and kombucha as well! herbladie  When problems are experienced with soy and dairy, protein digestion will be way off. In terms of dairy, there can also be an issue with lactose (a sugar). If just lactose, 2 things may help a lot or eliminate the problem all together. First a plant based digestive enzyme containing lactase anytime there is the remotest chance of sneaky dairy. And second, you might be ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Steph - do you always comment on things you have not tried? From: ectopistes@... <ectopistes@...> Subject: Re: a list of foods--fyi gallstones Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 9:35 AM Â I have no idea if I would have a problem with fermented soy or not. All I can say is yuk, no thanks. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Cool, I really didn't know much about lecithin, glad to know I don't need to spend the $ on phos choline and serines anymore. Provided my body is capable of breaking the lecithin down into those essential fats. Thanks for posting this info! Brad --- In gallstones , " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote: > > PS: Not only is lecithin an essential ingredient of bile but a major constituent of myelin sheath and your brain! In the case of the brain it is too big to bass through the blood brain barrier so must first be broken down into phosphatidyl choline and phosphatidyl serine. This process is dependent on proper fat digestion so can be a major issue with liver/gallbladder problems. The phosphatidyl choline is dirt cheap, the serine exorbitant, but worth every penny when needed. Also notice the word choline an essential fatty acid. Bile movers are called cholegagues, bile production stimulators cholegerics and all of the fancy monopolistic medical terms around liver/gallbladder stem from the same linguistic root... Cool huh? -D > Re: a list of foods--fyi > > > > Dave, you are an advocate of lecithin. However, it seems that most people are in agreement that unfermented soy is not good to consume. Since lecithin is a soy product, how does lecithin fit into the good vs. bad soy thing? Thanks. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 do not forget to make it Non GMO On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Brad C wrote: > Cool, I really didn't know much about lecithin, glad to know I don't need to spend the $ on phos choline and serines anymore. Provided my body is capable of breaking the lecithin down into those essential fats. Thanks for posting this info! > Brad > > --- In gallstones , " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...> wrote: > > > > PS: Not only is lecithin an essential ingredient of bile but a major constituent of myelin sheath and your brain! In the case of the brain it is too big to bass through the blood brain barrier so must first be broken down into phosphatidyl choline and phosphatidyl serine. This process is dependent on proper fat digestion so can be a major issue with liver/gallbladder problems. The phosphatidyl choline is dirt cheap, the serine exorbitant, but worth every penny when needed. Also notice the word choline an essential fatty acid. Bile movers are called cholegagues, bile production stimulators cholegerics and all of the fancy monopolistic medical terms around liver/gallbladder stem from the same linguistic root... Cool huh? -D > > Re: a list of foods--fyi > > > > > > > > Dave, you are an advocate of lecithin. However, it seems that most people are in agreement that unfermented soy is not good to consume. Since lecithin is a soy product, how does lecithin fit into the good vs. bad soy thing? Thanks. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Dave~You've scared me now. Should I try this or stick to the Hulda cleanse? I was just hoping to find something else for a change... herbladie Probably. The reason that eggs have the greatest chance of all foods of stimulating an attack is that the fats stimulate a contraction! The lime has the citric acid. As always, keep the phone handy and 911 on speed dial. If you have to use it let them give you the morphine but save your gallbladder for another day... -D Wondering if anyone out there has tried the 'egg yolk and lime juice cleanse' that I've heard about lately.....especially you, Dave. What do you think~will it work? Thanks, herbladie Wow, these lists sure are a mouthful... Even if following them would save your gallbladder, trying to follow them might stress you to death and you would probably end up worse ill in another way. They list onions and garlic as helpful and tell you to stay away from onions... Stay away from fiber but eat apples and pears (4 grams of fiber per)... Lemons are OK but oranges and grapefruit are out? No Chicken (white meat), pork (the other white meat), and no red meat. Protein sources are trimming down. No dairy, no eggs; trimming down further. Ok, we can go vegan but now we have to cut out all legumes. Now we are screwed. Major vegan protein source. the no no on legumes is because they increase the cholesterol in the bile??? Would you rather have it in your arteries? Legumes contain no cholesterol, nor the precursors. The fiber (4 times the fiber of oatmeal) soaks it up in the digestive tract after it is emitted in the bile. No fiber, guess what you reabsorb...? Yup, bile, so now you get to load the liver and gallbladder up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 FYI I eat an egg a day or every other day. I have lime, lemon, orange daily - the juice even more. I do noy have any problems. Also I do ACV regularly... Just saying, Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 I apologize! Once again my sick sense of humor is inappropriate. This was in no means meant to raise concern. I was attempting to point out that since the flushes, no matter which one, are meant to stimulate a contraction, there is always a risk, however I believe to be very, very, small, that you could get a stone " stuck " , or have an " attack " . By the way, if so, I believe that an immediate follow up flush would be the best first option. Many people are concerned about doing the flushes because they are afraid that it might cause a stone to become lodged either in the gallbladder or the ducts. This is a very viable concern, however remote. I was actually trying to lower concern by pointing out if this were to happen one could always go to the hospital (if one were to choose), get pain relief, deny removal, and then continue with alternative means. For the record, I am not a proponent of flushing first. I would like to see measures to prevent another " attack " while doing all the things that can soften and dissolve first for some time before attempting to " open the pod door, Hal. " . Again, please accept my apologies, take a deep breath, and know I am a goof ball... -D Re: a list of foods--fyi Dave~You've scared me now. Should I try this or stick to the Hulda cleanse? I was just hoping to find something else for a change... herbladie Probably. The reason that eggs have the greatest chance of all foods of stimulating an attack is that the fats stimulate a contraction! The lime has the citric acid. As always, keep the phone handy and 911 on speed dial. If you have to use it let them give you the morphine but save your gallbladder for another day... -D Wondering if anyone out there has tried the 'egg yolk and lime juice cleanse' that I've heard about lately.....especially you, Dave. What do you think~will it work? Thanks, herbladie Wow, these lists sure are a mouthful... Even if following them would save your gallbladder, trying to follow them might stress you to death and you would probably end up worse ill in another way. They list onions and garlic as helpful and tell you to stay away from onions... Stay away from fiber but eat apples and pears (4 grams of fiber per)... Lemons are OK but oranges and grapefruit are out? No Chicken (white meat), pork (the other white meat), and no red meat. Protein sources are trimming down. No dairy, no eggs; trimming down further. Ok, we can go vegan but now we have to cut out all legumes. Now we are screwed. Major vegan protein source. the no no on legumes is because they increase the cholesterol in the bile??? Would you rather have it in your arteries? Legumes contain no cholesterol, nor the precursors. The fiber (4 times the fiber of oatmeal) soaks it up in the digestive tract after it is emitted in the bile. No fiber, guess what you reabsorb...? Yup, bile, so now you get to load the liver and gallbladder up again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Thanks, Dave.....that's better and I get it! I'll keep you posted if this works or not :~)  I apologize! Once again my sick sense of humor is inappropriate. This was in no means meant to raise concern. I was attempting to point out that since the flushes, no matter which one, are meant to stimulate a contraction, there is always a risk, however I believe to be very, very, small, that you could get a stone " stuck " , or have an " attack " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Dave if a stone were to get lodged how much epsom salt would you recommend would be safe to take to dilate? On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Marilyn J. Doughty wrote: > Thanks, Dave.....that's better and I get it! I'll keep you posted if this works or not :~) > > > > I apologize! Once again my sick sense of humor is inappropriate. This was in no means meant to raise concern. I was attempting to point out that since the flushes, no matter which one, are meant to stimulate a contraction, there is always a risk, however I believe to be very, very, small, that you could get a stone " stuck " , or have an " attack " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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