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Wow, these lists sure are a mouthful... Even if following them would save your

gallbladder, trying to follow them might stress you to death and you would

probably end up worse ill in another way. They list onions and garlic as

helpful and tell you to stay away from onions... Stay away from fiber but eat

apples and pears (4 grams of fiber per)... Lemons are OK but oranges and

grapefruit are out? No Chicken (white meat), pork (the other white meat), and

no red meat. Protein sources are trimming down. No dairy, no eggs; trimming

down further. Ok, we can go vegan but now we have to cut out all legumes. Now

we are screwed. Major vegan protein source. the no no on legumes is because

they increase the cholesterol in the bile??? Would you rather have it in your

arteries? Legumes contain no cholesterol, nor the precursors. The fiber (4

times the fiber of oatmeal) soaks it up in the digestive tract after it is

emitted in the bile. No fiber, guess what you reabsorb...? Yup, bile, so now

you get to load the liver and gallbladder up again.

Avoidance diets like this screw your liver and gallbladder up more while you are

shaking in fear of another attack. The problem with gallstone formation is the

balance of constituents. Too little water, too little acids, to little

lecithin. Too much congealed lipids. The cholesterol then comes out of

suspension and coagulates. Eat sensibly, drink plenty of water, extra lecithin

and mild acids such as citric, malic, acetic, etc. stimulate buckets of thin

bile. Take smooth muscle relaxing compounds such as magnesium, wild cherry

bark, Jamaican dogwood etc in order to prevent another spasm. Soften your

stones (if you have them) the same way. When they are soft and small enough

blow them out by creating the spasm! That is what the flushes do.

-D

a list of foods--fyi

GALLBLADDER DIET

HELPFUL FOODS

Beets

Cucumbers

Green beans - are NOT the same as dried

Okra

Sweet potatoes

Avocados - a good way to get needed fats directly from food

Vinegars all types

Garlic and onions help with liver cleansing but not processed types like

flakes or powder. But some people have trouble digesting them so pay attention

Shallots

Tomatoes - ripe

cold water fish

Lemons (lemon juice in the morning with hot water helps to clean the liver)

Grapes and fresh organic grape juice

apples, berries, papaya, pears

Omega 3 oils like flax or hemp. Use these with fresh lemon juice or vinegar on

your salads. DO NOT COOK flax oil.

Vegetable juices - Beet and cucumber are especially helpful to gallbladder You

can add other green vegetables like tender baby greens, swiss chard, dandelion

greens, beet greens, celery, carrots -- avoid the cabbage family)

Avoid all fruit juices except organic grape juice and organic apple

(self-juiced is best).

All the vegetables listed above for juicing are good. Use baby mixed organic

greens for salads and avoid the bitter greens for now.

Stay away from---

Fiber such as found in fruits and vegetables and guar gum

Eggs, pork, onion, fowl, milk, coffee, oranges, grapefruit, corn, beans, nuts,

in that order.

Trans fats

Hydrogenated, partially-hydrogenated oils

Margarine

Fried Foods

Saturated fats

(even coconut oil until feeling better)

Red meats

Dairy products

Eggs (Research showed that eggs caused symptoms in up to 95% of patients.

However, in my clinical experience soft-boiled or poached with no fat added

seems to be okay. Perhaps this is due to the lecithin content that is present in

the raw or close to raw egg.)

Coffee, regular or decaf

Chocolate

Ice cream

Black tea

Alcohol, beer, wine, liqueur

Fruit juice

Carbonated water

Tap water

Raddishes and turnips

Cabbage, cauliflower

Colas and all sodas

Oats (for some people)

Wheat

Barley

Rye (although the sour German ryes seem to be less troublesome)

All legumes (beans) as they tend to increase the cholesterol in the bile.

Avoid all artificial sweeteners, sugar, preservatives, refined and bleached

foods (like white flour)

Many steamed greens like collard, mustard and kale, also brussel sprouts and

broccoli seem to be a problem for some people. Greens (and especially kale and

brussel sprouts) are used by the liver to detoxify. It may be necessary to avoid

these until you have done some work with the products and flushes as well as

diet. Your goal should get to the point where these foods do not cause distress,

as they actually target the root of the problem.

GALLBLADDER DIET TIPS

DO NOT OVEREAT

DO NOT EAT UNDER STRESS

EAT ONLY FRESH FOODS - DO NOT

EAT PACKAGED FOODS ORGANIC FOOD IS IMPORTANT

ORGANIC IS IMPORTANT - The liver is the root of the problem here, and the

pesticides and herbicides used in commercial fruits and vegetables causes extra

burden on the liver and therefore, the gallbladder.

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Thanks for saying what I  couldn't, Dave.....I was just in shock.  All my

favorite foods in the no-no list!

I say eat as well as you can and cleanse until you are free of stones,  and

then maintain by doing a cleanse a few times a year,  or whatever your body

tells you. 

herbladie

 

Wow, these lists sure are a mouthful... Even if following them would save your

gallbladder, trying to follow them might stress you to death and you would

probably end up worse ill in another way. They list onions and garlic as helpful

and tell you to stay away from onions... Stay away from fiber but eat apples and

pears (4 grams of fiber per)... Lemons are OK but oranges and grapefruit are

out? No Chicken (white meat), pork (the other white meat), and no red meat.

Protein sources are trimming down. No dairy, no eggs; trimming down further. Ok,

we can go vegan but now we have to cut out all legumes. Now we are screwed.

Major vegan protein source. the no no on legumes is because they increase the

cholesterol in the bile??? Would you rather have it in your arteries? Legumes

contain no cholesterol, nor the precursors. The fiber (4 times the fiber of

oatmeal) soaks it up in the digestive tract after it is emitted in the bile. No

fiber, guess what you reabsorb...? Yup, bile, so now you get to load the liver

and gallbladder up again.

Avoidance diets like this screw your liver and gallbladder up more while you are

shaking in fear of another attack. The problem with gallstone formation is the

balance of constituents. Too little water, too little acids, to little lecithin.

Too much congealed lipids. The cholesterol then comes out of suspension and

coagulates. Eat sensibly, drink plenty of water, extra lecithin and mild acids

such as citric, malic, acetic, etc. stimulate buckets of thin bile. Take smooth

muscle relaxing compounds such as magnesium, wild cherry bark, Jamaican dogwood

etc in order to prevent another spasm. Soften your stones (if you have them) the

same way. When they are soft and small enough blow them out by creating the

spasm! That is what the flushes do.

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Probably. The reason that eggs have the greatest chance of all foods of

stimulating an attack is that the fats stimulate a contraction! The lime has

the citric acid. As always, keep the phone handy and 911 on speed dial. If you

have to use it let them give you the morphine but save your gallbladder for

another day...

-D

a list of foods--fyi

Wondering if anyone out there has tried the 'egg yolk and lime juice cleanse'

that I've heard about lately.....especially you, Dave. What do you think~will

it work?

Thanks,

herbladie

Wow, these lists sure are a mouthful... Even if following them would save your

gallbladder, trying to follow them might stress you to death and you would

probably end up worse ill in another way. They list onions and garlic as helpful

and tell you to stay away from onions... Stay away from fiber but eat apples and

pears (4 grams of fiber per)... Lemons are OK but oranges and grapefruit are

out? No Chicken (white meat), pork (the other white meat), and no red meat.

Protein sources are trimming down. No dairy, no eggs; trimming down further. Ok,

we can go vegan but now we have to cut out all legumes. Now we are screwed.

Major vegan protein source. the no no on legumes is because they increase the

cholesterol in the bile??? Would you rather have it in your arteries? Legumes

contain no cholesterol, nor the precursors. The fiber (4 times the fiber of

oatmeal) soaks it up in the digestive tract after it is emitted in the bile. No

fiber, guess what you reabsorb...? Yup, bile, so now you get to load the liver

and gallbladder up again.

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All of the different diets work exceptionally well for a percentage of the

population. Unfortunately, only that. Some of the best I would guess in the

30-40% range. These are spectacular odds if you are in the 30-40%... The blood

type diet is one of the higher percentage ones. Mercola has the " Eat Right For

Your Metabolic Type " and while I have not delved greatly, my respect for him

would lean me that direction. Personally I prefer those schools that follow a

constitutional and energetic profile. Schools such as TCM and Ayurveda have

been around for thousands of years, and for very good reason. It gets a bit

complicated but for good reason as well. You have basic constitution that would

be hereditary which is your underlying base but then you have present

manifestation which is your acute " condition " . The rule is to treat acute first

and then constitution second. Example: You actually have a thin warm high

metabolism constitution but through diet and lifestyle decisions over the past

30 years are 60lbs overweight with hypothyroid and manifesting cold and wet.

You would warm and dry, speed up metabolism first even though over heating

issues will arise due to your basic warm constitution. The example by the way

explains gallstone formation in many people. Others have a basic cold and wet

constitution and are cold and wet acutely, they are actually at the greatest

risk. You will also have the person with gallstones who is cold and dry, their

gallstones are of a completely different consistency, and diet and treatment

would be very different. This is also why the flushes work exceptionally well

for some, quickly, and others not so well. If we compare theory and protocol

such as this to let's say " Eat Right For Your Blood Type " we will find some

similarities but many contradictions as well. I would not suggest following any

theory blindly just 'cuz it worked famously for your co worker Bill. How was

that for a wishy washy non committal answer? Sorry. -D

Re: a list of foods--fyi

Dave, what are your thoughts on eating according to your blood type?

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Exactly!

On Feb 2, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Dave Shelden wrote:

> Wow, these lists sure are a mouthful... Even if following them would save your

gallbladder, trying to follow them might stress you to death and you would

probably end up worse ill in another way. They list onions and garlic as helpful

and tell you to stay away from onions... Stay away from fiber but eat apples and

pears (4 grams of fiber per)... Lemons are OK but oranges and grapefruit are

out? No Chicken (white meat), pork (the other white meat), and no red meat.

Protein sources are trimming down. No dairy, no eggs; trimming down further. Ok,

we can go vegan but now we have to cut out all legumes. Now we are screwed.

Major vegan protein source. the no no on legumes is because they increase the

cholesterol in the bile??? Would you rather have it in your arteries? Legumes

contain no cholesterol, nor the precursors. The fiber (4 times the fiber of

oatmeal) soaks it up in the digestive tract after it is emitted in the bile. No

fiber, guess what you reabsorb...? Yup, bile, so now you get to load the liver

and gallbladder up again.

>

> Avoidance diets like this screw your liver and gallbladder up more while you

are shaking in fear of another attack. The problem with gallstone formation is

the balance of constituents. Too little water, too little acids, to little

lecithin. Too much congealed lipids. The cholesterol then comes out of

suspension and coagulates. Eat sensibly, drink plenty of water, extra lecithin

and mild acids such as citric, malic, acetic, etc. stimulate buckets of thin

bile. Take smooth muscle relaxing compounds such as magnesium, wild cherry bark,

Jamaican dogwood etc in order to prevent another spasm. Soften your stones (if

you have them) the same way. When they are soft and small enough blow them out

by creating the spasm! That is what the flushes do.

>

> -D

> a list of foods--fyi

>

> GALLBLADDER DIET

> HELPFUL FOODS

>

> Beets

> Cucumbers

> Green beans - are NOT the same as dried

> Okra

> Sweet potatoes

> Avocados - a good way to get needed fats directly from food

> Vinegars all types

> Garlic and onions help with liver cleansing but not processed types like

flakes or powder. But some people have trouble digesting them so pay attention

> Shallots

> Tomatoes - ripe

> cold water fish

> Lemons (lemon juice in the morning with hot water helps to clean the liver)

> Grapes and fresh organic grape juice

> apples, berries, papaya, pears

> Omega 3 oils like flax or hemp. Use these with fresh lemon juice or vinegar on

your salads. DO NOT COOK flax oil.

> Vegetable juices - Beet and cucumber are especially helpful to gallbladder You

can add other green vegetables like tender baby greens, swiss chard, dandelion

greens, beet greens, celery, carrots -- avoid the cabbage family)

> Avoid all fruit juices except organic grape juice and organic apple

(self-juiced is best).

> All the vegetables listed above for juicing are good. Use baby mixed organic

greens for salads and avoid the bitter greens for now.

>

> Stay away from---

>

> Fiber such as found in fruits and vegetables and guar gum

> Eggs, pork, onion, fowl, milk, coffee, oranges, grapefruit, corn, beans, nuts,

in that order.

> Trans fats

> Hydrogenated, partially-hydrogenated oils

> Margarine

> Fried Foods

> Saturated fats

> (even coconut oil until feeling better)

> Red meats

> Dairy products

> Eggs (Research showed that eggs caused symptoms in up to 95% of patients.

However, in my clinical experience soft-boiled or poached with no fat added

seems to be okay. Perhaps this is due to the lecithin content that is present in

the raw or close to raw egg.)

> Coffee, regular or decaf

> Chocolate

> Ice cream

> Black tea

> Alcohol, beer, wine, liqueur

> Fruit juice

> Carbonated water

> Tap water

> Raddishes and turnips

> Cabbage, cauliflower

> Colas and all sodas

> Oats (for some people)

> Wheat

> Barley

> Rye (although the sour German ryes seem to be less troublesome)

> All legumes (beans) as they tend to increase the cholesterol in the bile.

> Avoid all artificial sweeteners, sugar, preservatives, refined and bleached

foods (like white flour)

> Many steamed greens like collard, mustard and kale, also brussel sprouts and

broccoli seem to be a problem for some people. Greens (and especially kale and

brussel sprouts) are used by the liver to detoxify. It may be necessary to avoid

these until you have done some work with the products and flushes as well as

diet. Your goal should get to the point where these foods do not cause distress,

as they actually target the root of the problem.

>

> GALLBLADDER DIET TIPS

>

> DO NOT OVEREAT

> DO NOT EAT UNDER STRESS

>

> EAT ONLY FRESH FOODS - DO NOT

> EAT PACKAGED FOODS ORGANIC FOOD IS IMPORTANT

> ORGANIC IS IMPORTANT - The liver is the root of the problem here, and the

pesticides and herbicides used in commercial fruits and vegetables causes extra

burden on the liver and therefore, the gallbladder.

>

>

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Spot on with your assessment Dave - and wishy washy non committal is the only

option left in light of the " success " many claim to have had with eat for your

blood type- personally I have little faith in it and again if it works for you

God Bless...

On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Dave Shelden wrote:

> past 30 years are 60lbs overweight with hypothyroid and manifesting cold and

wet. You would warm and dry, speed up metabolism first even though over heating

issues will arise due to your basic warm constitution. The example by the way

explains gallstone formation in many people. Others

Battaglia

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Cel 818 268 5395

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Dave, you are an advocate of lecithin. However, it seems that most people are

in agreement that unfermented soy is not good to consume. Since lecithin is a

soy product, how does lecithin fit into the good vs. bad soy thing? Thanks.

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My body rejects soy and dairy and blood tests show that I have allergies

to them, but whey powder and lecithin do not bother me a LOT if taken in

sensible amounts daily. In both cases, not a lot!

I can assume from this that much of what ever is bad in both the soy and

milk is removed.

Steph

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Are you allergic to fermented soy products which are completely different ?

Milk, well no human after the age of 2 can completely digest dairy anyway -

also there are plenty of other sources for protein other than soy and milk

good luck

FB

On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:24 AM, ectopistes@... wrote:

>

> My body rejects soy and dairy and blood tests show that I have allergies

> to them, but whey powder and lecithin do not bother me a LOT if taken in

> sensible amounts daily. In both cases, not a lot!

> I can assume from this that much of what ever is bad in both the soy and

> milk is removed.

>

> Steph

>

>

Battaglia

Hm 818 897 8500

Cel 818 268 5395

fbattaglia@...

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, what is tempe and where can you get it?

Re: a list of foods--fyi

Are you allergic to fermented soy products which are completely different ?

Milk, well no human after the age of 2 can completely digest dairy anyway -

also there are plenty of other sources for protein other than soy and milk

good luck

FB

On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:24 AM, ectopistes@... wrote:

>

> My body rejects soy and dairy and blood tests show that I have allergies

> to them, but whey powder and lecithin do not bother me a LOT if taken in

> sensible amounts daily. In both cases, not a lot!

> I can assume from this that much of what ever is bad in both the soy and

> milk is removed.

>

> Steph

>

>

Battaglia

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Cel 818 268 5395

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Lecithin is only a constituent of soy and the non ferment issue is mostly about

enzyme production that has broken down very difficult protein structures. I too

am against all non fermented soy products, the data is overwhelming. Would also

demand non GMO, organic source of my lecithin, but am definitely ok with soy

being the source. There are other excellent sources of lecithin too. The egg

yolk being one. We make that creamy non separated Caesar salad dressing with it

and keep the oils in suspension. Same with an aioli or mayonnaise. We can do

the same with a vinaigrette if we do not want the egg by using powdered mustard,

also high in lecithin. Damn, I am now hungry, gotta go... -D

Re: a list of foods--fyi

Dave, you are an advocate of lecithin. However, it seems that most people are

in agreement that unfermented soy is not good to consume. Since lecithin is a

soy product, how does lecithin fit into the good vs. bad soy thing? Thanks.

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PS: Not only is lecithin an essential ingredient of bile but a major

constituent of myelin sheath and your brain! In the case of the brain it is too

big to bass through the blood brain barrier so must first be broken down into

phosphatidyl choline and phosphatidyl serine. This process is dependent on

proper fat digestion so can be a major issue with liver/gallbladder problems.

The phosphatidyl choline is dirt cheap, the serine exorbitant, but worth every

penny when needed. Also notice the word choline an essential fatty acid. Bile

movers are called cholegagues, bile production stimulators cholegerics and all

of the fancy monopolistic medical terms around liver/gallbladder stem from the

same linguistic root... Cool huh? -D

Re: a list of foods--fyi

Dave, you are an advocate of lecithin. However, it seems that most people are

in agreement that unfermented soy is not good to consume. Since lecithin is a

soy product, how does lecithin fit into the good vs. bad soy thing? Thanks.

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Fermented soy is nothing like the name 'fermented " would indicate and is nothing

like anything else you may of consumed that has been fermented. It actually is

fairly bland and when cooked with vegetables takes on the flavor of the

vegetables or the soup-

I have a friend who made italian meatballs with it - adding sheep cheese and

seasoned breadcrumbs and u could hardly tell the diff- there are many online

recipes- you can get tempe at whole foods or organic markets/ health food

stores...

Good luck

FB

On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:35 AM, ectopistes@... wrote:

>

> I have no idea if I would have a problem with fermented soy or not.

> All I can say is yuk, no thanks.

>

> Steph

>

>

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When problems are experienced with soy and dairy, protein digestion will be way

off. In terms of dairy, there can also be an issue with lactose (a sugar). If

just lactose, 2 things may help a lot or eliminate the problem all together.

First a plant based digestive enzyme containing lactase anytime there is the

remotest chance of sneaky dairy. And second, you might be ok with hard chesses

or clabbered (fermented) dairy (yogurt, kefir, etc.). The lactobacillus

bacteria gobbles up the lactose. Lovely little buggers. In terms of the

protein issue, getting that straightened out is the primary goal and then you

get to have really good pizza again. Avoidance diets may be necessary in the

beginning in order not to trigger an allergic reaction but should be vestigial

in the long run. Bon apatite! -D

Re: a list of foods--fyi

My body rejects soy and dairy and blood tests show that I have allergies

to them, but whey powder and lecithin do not bother me a LOT if taken in

sensible amounts daily. In both cases, not a lot!

I can assume from this that much of what ever is bad in both the soy and

milk is removed.

Steph

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It's still amazes me that I can drink milk kefir made by me from MKG because

the grains eat up most of the lactose.  Love my water kefir and kombucha as

well!

herbladie

 

When problems are experienced with soy and dairy, protein digestion will be way

off. In terms of dairy, there can also be an issue with lactose (a sugar). If

just lactose, 2 things may help a lot or eliminate the problem all together.

First a plant based digestive enzyme containing lactase anytime there is the

remotest chance of sneaky dairy. And second, you might be ok

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Steph - do you always comment on things you have not tried?

From: ectopistes@... <ectopistes@...>

Subject: Re: a list of foods--fyi

gallstones

Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 9:35 AM

 

I have no idea if I would have a problem with fermented soy or not.

All I can say is yuk, no thanks.

Steph

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Cool, I really didn't know much about lecithin, glad to know I don't need to

spend the $ on phos choline and serines anymore. Provided my body is capable of

breaking the lecithin down into those essential fats. Thanks for posting this

info!

Brad

--- In gallstones , " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...>

wrote:

>

> PS: Not only is lecithin an essential ingredient of bile but a major

constituent of myelin sheath and your brain! In the case of the brain it is too

big to bass through the blood brain barrier so must first be broken down into

phosphatidyl choline and phosphatidyl serine. This process is dependent on

proper fat digestion so can be a major issue with liver/gallbladder problems.

The phosphatidyl choline is dirt cheap, the serine exorbitant, but worth every

penny when needed. Also notice the word choline an essential fatty acid. Bile

movers are called cholegagues, bile production stimulators cholegerics and all

of the fancy monopolistic medical terms around liver/gallbladder stem from the

same linguistic root... Cool huh? -D

> Re: a list of foods--fyi

>

>

>

> Dave, you are an advocate of lecithin. However, it seems that most people

are in agreement that unfermented soy is not good to consume. Since lecithin is

a soy product, how does lecithin fit into the good vs. bad soy thing? Thanks.

>

>

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do not forget to make it Non GMO

On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Brad C wrote:

> Cool, I really didn't know much about lecithin, glad to know I don't need to

spend the $ on phos choline and serines anymore. Provided my body is capable of

breaking the lecithin down into those essential fats. Thanks for posting this

info!

> Brad

>

> --- In gallstones , " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...>

wrote:

> >

> > PS: Not only is lecithin an essential ingredient of bile but a major

constituent of myelin sheath and your brain! In the case of the brain it is too

big to bass through the blood brain barrier so must first be broken down into

phosphatidyl choline and phosphatidyl serine. This process is dependent on

proper fat digestion so can be a major issue with liver/gallbladder problems.

The phosphatidyl choline is dirt cheap, the serine exorbitant, but worth every

penny when needed. Also notice the word choline an essential fatty acid. Bile

movers are called cholegagues, bile production stimulators cholegerics and all

of the fancy monopolistic medical terms around liver/gallbladder stem from the

same linguistic root... Cool huh? -D

> > Re: a list of foods--fyi

> >

> >

> >

> > Dave, you are an advocate of lecithin. However, it seems that most people

are in agreement that unfermented soy is not good to consume. Since lecithin is

a soy product, how does lecithin fit into the good vs. bad soy thing? Thanks.

> >

> >

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Dave~You've scared me now.  Should I try this or stick to the Hulda cleanse? 

I was just hoping to find something else for a change...

herbladie

Probably. The reason that eggs have the greatest chance of all foods of

stimulating an attack is that the fats stimulate a contraction! The lime has the

citric acid. As always, keep the phone handy and 911 on speed dial. If you have

to use it let them give you the morphine but save your gallbladder for another

day...

-D

Wondering if anyone out there has tried the 'egg yolk and lime juice cleanse'

that I've heard about lately.....especially you, Dave. What do you think~will it

work?

Thanks,

herbladie

Wow, these lists sure are a mouthful... Even if following them would save your

gallbladder, trying to follow them might stress you to death and you would

probably end up worse ill in another way. They list onions and garlic as helpful

and tell you to stay away from onions... Stay away from fiber but eat apples and

pears (4 grams of fiber per)... Lemons are OK but oranges and grapefruit are

out? No Chicken (white meat), pork (the other white meat), and no red meat.

Protein sources are trimming down. No dairy, no eggs; trimming down further. Ok,

we can go vegan but now we have to cut out all legumes. Now we are screwed.

Major vegan protein source. the no no on legumes is because they increase the

cholesterol in the bile??? Would you rather have it in your arteries? Legumes

contain no cholesterol, nor the precursors. The fiber (4 times the fiber of

oatmeal) soaks it up in the digestive tract after it is emitted in the bile. No

fiber, guess what you reabsorb...? Yup, bile, so now you get to load the liver

and gallbladder up again.

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FYI

I eat an egg a day or every other day.

I have lime, lemon, orange daily - the juice even more.

I do noy have any problems.

Also I do ACV regularly...

Just saying,

Jay

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I apologize! Once again my sick sense of humor is inappropriate. This was in

no means meant to raise concern. I was attempting to point out that since the

flushes, no matter which one, are meant to stimulate a contraction, there is

always a risk, however I believe to be very, very, small, that you could get a

stone " stuck " , or have an " attack " . By the way, if so, I believe that an

immediate follow up flush would be the best first option. Many people are

concerned about doing the flushes because they are afraid that it might cause a

stone to become lodged either in the gallbladder or the ducts. This is a very

viable concern, however remote. I was actually trying to lower concern by

pointing out if this were to happen one could always go to the hospital (if one

were to choose), get pain relief, deny removal, and then continue with

alternative means. For the record, I am not a proponent of flushing first. I

would like to see measures to prevent another " attack " while doing all the

things that can soften and dissolve first for some time before attempting to

" open the pod door, Hal. " . Again, please accept my apologies, take a deep

breath, and know I am a goof ball... -D

Re: a list of foods--fyi

Dave~You've scared me now. Should I try this or stick to the Hulda cleanse?

I was just hoping to find something else for a change...

herbladie

Probably. The reason that eggs have the greatest chance of all foods of

stimulating an attack is that the fats stimulate a contraction! The lime has the

citric acid. As always, keep the phone handy and 911 on speed dial. If you have

to use it let them give you the morphine but save your gallbladder for another

day...

-D

Wondering if anyone out there has tried the 'egg yolk and lime juice cleanse'

that I've heard about lately.....especially you, Dave. What do you think~will it

work?

Thanks,

herbladie

Wow, these lists sure are a mouthful... Even if following them would save your

gallbladder, trying to follow them might stress you to death and you would

probably end up worse ill in another way. They list onions and garlic as helpful

and tell you to stay away from onions... Stay away from fiber but eat apples and

pears (4 grams of fiber per)... Lemons are OK but oranges and grapefruit are

out? No Chicken (white meat), pork (the other white meat), and no red meat.

Protein sources are trimming down. No dairy, no eggs; trimming down further. Ok,

we can go vegan but now we have to cut out all legumes. Now we are screwed.

Major vegan protein source. the no no on legumes is because they increase the

cholesterol in the bile??? Would you rather have it in your arteries? Legumes

contain no cholesterol, nor the precursors. The fiber (4 times the fiber of

oatmeal) soaks it up in the digestive tract after it is emitted in the bile. No

fiber, guess what you reabsorb...? Yup, bile, so now you get to load the liver

and gallbladder up again.

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Thanks,  Dave.....that's better and I get it!  I'll keep you posted if this

works or not :~)

 

I apologize! Once again my sick sense of humor is inappropriate. This was in no

means meant to raise concern. I was attempting to point out that since the

flushes, no matter which one, are meant to stimulate a contraction, there is

always a risk, however I believe to be very, very, small, that you could get a

stone " stuck " , or have an " attack " .

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Dave if a stone were to get lodged how much epsom salt would you recommend would

be safe to take to dilate?

On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Marilyn J. Doughty wrote:

> Thanks, Dave.....that's better and I get it! I'll keep you posted if this

works or not :~)

>

>

>

> I apologize! Once again my sick sense of humor is inappropriate. This was in

no means meant to raise concern. I was attempting to point out that since the

flushes, no matter which one, are meant to stimulate a contraction, there is

always a risk, however I believe to be very, very, small, that you could get a

stone " stuck " , or have an " attack " .

>

>

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