Re: new member with a doctor app tomorrow afternoon

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Hi Amelia,

> I had been having attacks for over a year's time. It's a long story. I have

been worried more about the stones getting stuck during a cleanse. So I have

continuously talked myself out of doing it.

Have you looked at any of the many photos online so you can see just how large

some of the stones are that people have passed doing liver flushes?

For example check out these beauties:

http://curezone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/rusfox/set3.asp

When doing a flush, one of the most important ingredients we ingest is the 4

doses of epsom salt dissolved in water. Epsom salt is magnesium sulfate, and

when we drink it the evening before and morning after the flush, the magnesium

it contains relaxes the biliary ducts that connect the liver, gall bladder and

small intestine, which allows stones of surprising size to move through them

totally painlessly.

It can also be helpful to drink apple juice or take malic acid prior to doing a

flush, which helps to soften stones, making it even easier for them to pass

through the bile ducts.

You can also take chanca piedra, a South American herb also known as " stone

breaker " for a while prior to doing a flush, which should help.

Here's a link with more informationi about this herb:

http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca.htm

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> Since going to the first gastroenterologist, each time I have had a flare up,

I have drank a mixture of 8oz of Apple Juice and 1/2 cup of Apple Cider Vinegar

and after a short while of a different kind of uncomfortable pain, all was gone.

Sore yes, but far better than at any other time.

If I remember correctly, there are folks on this list who have drunk a dose or

two of dissolved epsom salt during a gallstone flare up, and they've gotten

relief from their pain quite quickly by doing this.

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> My question to you good folks is this - is there any way that the

gastroenterologist I am going to see tomorrow can tell what size my stones are

from the ultrasound of them?

I'm sorry, but I can't answer this question. Maybe someone else with more

experience can help here?

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> I do not know of any person around me that choose to do a cleanse(s) rather

than an operation. So I stand alone and have no real people to talk to about

this.

Same here. I've never spoken to anyone in person who has done a flush. But

after doing loads of research online and joining this group, I've done about 8

of these cleanses so far, and have never experienced any pain whatsoever during

any of them. And I passed a whole big bunch of stones, sludge, gravel and grit

too!

There are a number of folks on this list who have overcome their gallbladder

issues through using cleansing and other non-invasive methods, and who still

have their organs intact. Why not read through the files and archives, ask lots

of questions and take advantage of the wisdom and experience of the people in

this group?

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> I really do not want to have my gb taken out.

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Then by all means, don't let anyone come at you with a knife and cut you open to

slice an essential organ from your body!

There are so many other options! It just means doing some research, being

willing to be proactive and learning how to help your body's own healing wisdom

and capabilities to kick in.

You've already taken the first steps by doing things like shifting the way you

eat, making an effort to reduce your stress load and setting healthy boundaries

with your loved ones, so you're definitely heading in the right direction.

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By my choices made, I caused much of my own suffering. I feel if I made myself

sick - to an extent - then can't I help me to get better, without having to lose

a body part that folks seem to think is okay to toss.

>

Yes! Most people have lost site of the fact that our bodies are actually

working 24/7 to keep themselves healthy and running smoothly. They're designed

with an amazing, transcendent intelligence for healing and regeneration that

even we haven't yet begun to be able to fully comprehend with our own minds.

However the vast majority of us spend much of our lives slowly but surely

unconsciously sabotaging our body's innate wisdom and foiling its inborn ability

to keep itself healthy and cleanse and heal itself. On level or another, many

of us just don't take proper responsibility for our own health into our own

hands. We often tend let our lifestyles run roughshod over our health - until

one day our bodies start sending us signals that something is amiss.

Chronic illness nothing more or less than a big a wake up call for most of us.

It's our body's way of saying loud and clear, something is out of balance here!

And if we don't wake up, heed our body's call and begin to take steps to restore

that inner balance, well, then sometimes the maddest, most radical steps may end

up being taken, such as slicing someone's body open with sharp implements and

carving out their essential body parts! Personally I have no intention of ever

going there. There are far, far too many other options available to all of us

which are nourishing, healthful, holistic, cleansing and natural, and which

support, encourage and strengthen the body's own remarkable intrinsic healing

wisdom, rather than ignoring and thwarting it.

Elan

[Guest guest]

I do not worry about the size of the stones, just do a cleanse correctly and the

body will do the rest.

From: AmeliaFeelzArt <Ameliaz@...>

Subject: new member with a doctor app tomorrow afternoon

gallstones

Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:34 PM

 

Hello group,

Tomorrow afternoon I am seeing a gastroenterologist for a 2nd opinion.

In the month that I have waited to see him, I have changed much about the way I

was eating and my stresses. I was able to just drop everything that was on my

life's plate. I believe that I was eating darn good, it was mainly that i was

eating very late and there were some things I could have done without. And

happily am now. The family stresses are the same, but not also. I have been

voicing my needs and setting more verbal boundaries, and all this has helped

tremendously.

I am also now eating about 3 hours before going to bed. I have been eating just

fish and fish broth and drinking a lot of apple juice and having soft veggies.

And just really been trying to rest a lot. All the doctors I have been to so

far, have agreed that this was the best thing I could have done for myself.

I had been having attacks for over a year's time. It's a long story. I have been

worried more about the stones getting stuck during a cleanse. So I have

continuously talked myself out of doing it.

Since going to the first gastroenterologist, each time I have had a flare up, I

have drank a mixture of 8oz of Apple Juice and 1/2 cup of Apple Cider Vinegar

and after a short while of a different kind of uncomfortable pain, all was gone.

Sore yes, but far better than at any other time.

My question to you good folks is this - is there any way that the

gastroenterologist I am going to see tomorrow can tell what size my stones are

from the ultrasound of them?

Is this something that any of you worried about before you did your cleanses?

I do not know of any person around me that choose to do a cleanse(s) rather than

an operation. So I stand alone and have no real people to talk to about this.

I really do not want to have my gb taken out. By my choices made, I caused much

of my own suffering. I feel if I made myself sick - to an extent - then can't I

help me to get better, without having to lose a body part that folks seem to

think is okay to toss.

Thank you for any input you can send my way!

Amelia

[Guest guest]

I think I would ask for an MRI or scan, to see if that can pinpoint the stones

and their size. I think that if you can keep eating a non fatty diet, and also

get some gentle exercise like walking for ten minutes 3 times a day that you

could probably shrink them. If they don't give you pain, there's really no

reason to remove them.  If the stones are large, they can't get into the bile

duct, if they're very small some of them are passed in with the feces. I think

the main thing is not to get railroaded to remove a body part unless it is

absolutely necessary.

 

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: AmeliaFeelzArt <Ameliaz@...>

Subject: new member with a doctor app tomorrow afternoon

gallstones

Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:34 PM

Hello group,

Tomorrow afternoon I am seeing a gastroenterologist for a 2nd opinion.

In the month that I have waited to see him, I have changed much about the way I

was eating and my stresses. I was able to just drop everything that was on my

life's plate. I believe that I was eating darn good, it was mainly that i was

eating very late and there were some things I could have done without. And

happily am now. The family stresses are the same, but not also. I have been

voicing my needs and setting more verbal boundaries, and all this has helped

tremendously.

I am also now eating about 3 hours before going to bed. I have been eating just

fish and fish broth and drinking a lot of apple juice and having soft veggies.

And just really been trying to rest a lot. All the doctors I have been to so

far, have agreed that this was the best thing I could have done for myself.

I had been having attacks for over a year's time. It's a long story. I have been

worried more about the stones getting stuck during a cleanse. So I have

continuously talked myself out of doing it.

Since going to the first gastroenterologist, each time I have had a flare up, I

have drank a mixture of 8oz of Apple Juice and 1/2 cup of Apple Cider Vinegar

and after a short while of a different kind of uncomfortable pain, all was gone.

Sore yes, but far better than at any other time.

My question to you good folks is this - is there any way that the

gastroenterologist I am going to see tomorrow can tell what size my stones are

from the ultrasound of them?

Is this something that any of you worried about before you did your cleanses?

I do not know of any person around me that choose to do a cleanse(s) rather than

an operation. So I stand alone and have no real people to talk to about this.

I really do not want to have my gb taken out. By my choices made, I caused much

of my own suffering. I feel if I made myself sick - to an extent - then can't I

help me to get better, without having to lose a body part that folks seem to

think is okay to toss.

Thank you for any input you can send my way!

Amelia

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[Guest guest]

Yeah Roni. The ultrasound should be able to give an indication of size, so

there should not be need for magnetic or radiological exposure. The below

advise is quite sensible to me, plus keep in mind that 80% of all gall stones

are " silent " . Which means that those on this group who are here because of

symptoms are only one fifth of the people who actually have gall stones. Also,

you all are now making changes in your lives, the others are not because they

are not aware they have a problem... HMMMM, that may mean that in some twisted

distorted way, that your suffering may be a kind of " blessing " .

Always, in all ways,

-Dave

new member with a doctor app tomorrow afternoon

gallstones <mailto:gallstones%40>

Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 2:34 PM

Hello group,

Tomorrow afternoon I am seeing a gastroenterologist for a 2nd opinion.

In the month that I have waited to see him, I have changed much about the way

I was eating and my stresses. I was able to just drop everything that was on my

life's plate. I believe that I was eating darn good, it was mainly that i was

eating very late and there were some things I could have done without. And

happily am now. The family stresses are the same, but not also. I have been

voicing my needs and setting more verbal boundaries, and all this has helped

tremendously.

I am also now eating about 3 hours before going to bed. I have been eating

just fish and fish broth and drinking a lot of apple juice and having soft

veggies. And just really been trying to rest a lot. All the doctors I have been

to so far, have agreed that this was the best thing I could have done for

myself.

I had been having attacks for over a year's time. It's a long story. I have

been worried more about the stones getting stuck during a cleanse. So I have

continuously talked myself out of doing it.

Since going to the first gastroenterologist, each time I have had a flare up,

I have drank a mixture of 8oz of Apple Juice and 1/2 cup of Apple Cider Vinegar

and after a short while of a different kind of uncomfortable pain, all was gone.

Sore yes, but far better than at any other time.

My question to you good folks is this - is there any way that the

gastroenterologist I am going to see tomorrow can tell what size my stones are

from the ultrasound of them?

Is this something that any of you worried about before you did your cleanses?

I do not know of any person around me that choose to do a cleanse(s) rather

than an operation. So I stand alone and have no real people to talk to about

this.

I really do not want to have my gb taken out. By my choices made, I caused

much of my own suffering. I feel if I made myself sick - to an extent - then

can't I help me to get better, without having to lose a body part that folks

seem to think is okay to toss.

Thank you for any input you can send my way!

Amelia

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