Re: Question about chanca piedra

[Guest guest]

try and avoid supplements suspended in alcohol if possible

On Feb 3, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Regina F. wrote:

> Does somebody can tell me which one is better - capsules or Liquid Herbal

Supplement with alcohol?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Depends on issue, money, and solubility of the desired chemical. Alcoholic

tinctures are much faster absorbed so they are a bit faster, and you get a

higher shorter serum spike. This is an advantage sometimes, not so others. The

volume of tincture needed to get the job done can be in the several ounce per

day range, so amount of alcohol may become an issue. Whenever you do any type

of extraction process something is lost, even if it just making a tea.

depending on solubility issues an alcohol tincture may be a terrible extraction

method, or a tea could be lousy. Tinctures are much more expensive. In my

practice I use whole herb ground and encapsulated almost exclusively, but does

not mean it is the best. -Dave

Question about chanca piedra

Does somebody can tell me which one is better - capsules or Liquid Herbal

Supplement with alcohol?

[Guest guest]

Dave, what is your practice? Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Bellow is Dave's opinion

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From: Dave Shelden <wholehealthawareness@...>

gallstones

Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 6:32:24 PM

Subject: Re: Question about chanca piedra

Depends on issue, money, and solubility of the desired chemical. Alcoholic

tinctures are much faster absorbed so they are a bit faster, and you get a

higher shorter serum spike. This is an advantage sometimes, not so others. The

volume of tincture needed to get the job done can be in the several ounce per

day range, so amount of alcohol may become an issue. Whenever you do any type

of extraction process something is lost, even if it just making a tea.

depending on solubility issues an alcohol tincture may be a terrible extraction

method, or a tea could be lousy. Tinctures are much more expensive. In my

practice I use whole herb ground and encapsulated almost exclusively, but does

not mean it is the best. -Dave

Question about chanca piedra

Does somebody can tell me which one is better - capsules or Liquid Herbal

Supplement with alcohol?

[Guest guest]

I, for one, am glad you did. And, oh yes, it's worth plenty... it's the

limbo of waiting out the returns that challenges one's sense of value and

prompts a quip. Just be patient... pennies from heaven will abound and

transform into quarters and silver dollars on their way down.

Regards,

Fran M

In a message dated 2/8/2010 8:10:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

wholehealthawareness@... writes:

I write on this group because Dale asked me to quite a few years ago in

order to keep the science straight and put in my 2 cents worth which in

today's economy is probably not worth much...

[Guest guest]

Hi Fred, Sorry this has taken so long, been a bit preoccupied. I have

answered this question before but I guess it has been awhile so will again but

Dale, Vince, or whoever is admins now could you please archive if it has not

already been? Thanks.

OK, I am a heretic would be the best description. I have been in natural health

from a professional standpoint since '76 in various positions and degrees, but

not in terms of " natural medicine " until the early '90s when I had an epiphany

and changed direction in my life. I have had a full time practice since. Some

of my " credentials " of which concept I despise, are Certified Herbalist, and

Kinesionics (form of applied kinesiology (not AK)), there are quite a few more

but do not want to drone. I teach professional courses in both of these as well

as a few other things at community colleges and private venues here in the Puget

Sound area as well as Oregon and New Mexico at this time. My life experience

and subsequent choices have led me down a rather eclectic path and have the

amazing grace to have been exposed to many things and many people that are a bit

out of the mainstream so have quite a bit of experience, training, and now

ability in the more intuitive side of life. Buy the way, my academic background

is in math and science so this path was very difficult to say the least. Thank

God for quantum physics, it has been a wonderful salvation of my sanity... So I

see the worst of the worst, many who have been either cut loose by conventional

medicine or are searching for other options. I use both my knowledge of both

sides, energetics, and intuition. I have both a retail and wholesale dispensary

as well. Quite the ride. Gets me up in the morning. I write on this group

because Dale asked me to quite a few years ago in order to keep the science

straight and put in my 2 cents worth which in today's economy is probably not

worth much... Hope this helps, I am reluctant to discuss such topics. Always,

in all ways, -Dave

Re: Question about chanca piedra

Dave, what is your practice? Thanks!

[Guest guest]

And it has been well worth the request. Dave is a very busy person, the very

fact of how much information Dave has provided to this group as well as myself

speaks volumes regarding his passion for helping people. His knowledge here is

just second to that mathematical brain of his. I swear, he reads something and

it is locked. If I want to know how to pronounce some long word or get a better

understanding of what a medical word means who to I call? ........Dave.

Dave, I really really appreciate what you have been doing for this group for so

long.

So here is one raised with a " Cheers good buddy. Good times, Good friends, and

More of both " .

Dale

Re: Question about chanca piedra

Dave, what is your practice? Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Yes, I too am always looking forward to read what Dave has to say.

Karolina

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Dale <Da_@...> wrote:

>

>

> And it has been well worth the request. Dave is a very busy person, the

> very fact of how much information Dave has provided to this group as well as

> myself speaks volumes regarding his passion for helping people. His

> knowledge here is just second to that mathematical brain of his. I swear, he

> reads something and it is locked. If I want to know how to pronounce some

> long word or get a better understanding of what a medical word means who to

> I call? ........Dave.

>

> Dave, I really really appreciate what you have been doing for this group

> for so long.

>

> So here is one raised with a " Cheers good buddy. Good times, Good friends,

> and More of both " .

>

> Dale

>

>

> Re: Question about chanca piedra

>

> Dave, what is your practice? Thanks!

>

>

[Guest guest]

And we are all blessed to have you and your sick sense of humor- which I rather

enjoy- sheparding us Mr. Sheldon

God bless

FB

PS

Thank you Dale for being so persuasive

On Feb 8, 2010, at 5:10 AM, Dave Shelden wrote:

> Hi Fred, Sorry this has taken so long, been a bit preoccupied. I have answered

this question before but I guess it has been awhile so will again but Dale,

Vince, or whoever is admins now could you please archive if it has not already

been? Thanks.

>

> OK, I am a heretic would be the best description. I have been in natural

health from a professional standpoint since '76 in various positions and

degrees, but not in terms of " natural medicine " until the early '90s when I had

an epiphany and changed direction in my life. I have had a full time practice

since. Some of my " credentials " of which concept I despise, are Certified

Herbalist, and Kinesionics (form of applied kinesiology (not AK)), there are

quite a few more but do not want to drone. I teach professional courses in both

of these as well as a few other things at community colleges and private venues

here in the Puget Sound area as well as Oregon and New Mexico at this time. My

life experience and subsequent choices have led me down a rather eclectic path

and have the amazing grace to have been exposed to many things and many people

that are a bit out of the mainstream so have quite a bit of experience,

training, and now ability in the more intuitive side of life. Buy the way, my

academic background is in math and science so this path was very difficult to

say the least. Thank God for quantum physics, it has been a wonderful salvation

of my sanity... So I see the worst of the worst, many who have been either cut

loose by conventional medicine or are searching for other options. I use both my

knowledge of both sides, energetics, and intuition. I have both a retail and

wholesale dispensary as well. Quite the ride. Gets me up in the morning. I write

on this group because Dale asked me to quite a few years ago in order to keep

the science straight and put in my 2 cents worth which in today's economy is

probably not worth much... Hope this helps, I am reluctant to discuss such

topics. Always, in all ways, -Dave

> Re: Question about chanca piedra

>

> Dave, what is your practice? Thanks!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you all. All that have expressed their kudos, and everyone else as well.

This is a big reason that I am not comfortable with this discussion. However,

all of you need to know that I have learned far, far, more about gallbladder

issues from the people on this group than all my academic learning.... Nothing

like being bent over in pain, puking your guts out, to stimulate yourself into

action... Huh? Seriously, it has been through necessity that we engage in

life sometimes. Some of you are aware of what has engaged me in life. None

more so than Dale. It is friends like Dale that get you through the horrific

times. It is a pleasure and an honor to engage with this group. Spectacular

group of people, each and everyone. When Dale asked, I rolled my eyes, 'cuz

more to do was not what I thought I needed. I was wrong. So as Dale has so

eloquently raised the glass, Good times, good friends, and plenty more of

both...

Always, in all ways,

-Dave

Re: Question about chanca piedra

Dave, what is your practice? Thanks!

[Guest guest]

cheers

On Feb 9, 2010, at 4:30 AM, Dave Shelden wrote:

> Thank you all. All that have expressed their kudos, and everyone else as well.

This is a big reason that I am not comfortable with this discussion. However,

all of you need to know that I have learned far, far, more about gallbladder

issues from the people on this group than all my academic learning.... Nothing

like being bent over in pain, puking your guts out, to stimulate yourself into

action... Huh? Seriously, it has been through necessity that we engage in life

sometimes. Some of you are aware of what has engaged me in life. None more so

than Dale. It is friends like Dale that get you through the horrific times. It

is a pleasure and an honor to engage with this group. Spectacular group of

people, each and everyone. When Dale asked, I rolled my eyes, 'cuz more to do

was not what I thought I needed. I was wrong. So as Dale has so eloquently

raised the glass, Good times, good friends, and plenty more of both...

>

> Always, in all ways,

>

> -Dave

> Re: Question about chanca piedra

>

> Dave, what is your practice? Thanks!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have totally missed what goes on in this group only because I am so busy with

my own thyroid group that I have had for 6 years now.

The greatest gift has been this sharing and even though we all have lives the

ability to share and maybe just maybe save a life is why we do this.

I think back and both hubby and I could have had surgery and now we are well.

And when you take control over your health better health follows!!

Watching the news tonight a woman close to my age taking 16 pills a day (heart

issues) you have to think how insane it has become when you allow someone else

to take over your life.

Prevention is key--get on top of the disease state and see if you can correct

the problems before they get so bad you have no tools left except the 16 pills a

day----

uggggg

--- In gallstones , " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...>

wrote:

>

> Thank you all. All that have expressed their kudos, and everyone else as

well. This is a big reason that I am not comfortable with this discussion.

However, all of you need to know that I have learned far, far, more about

gallbladder issues from the people on this group than all my academic

learning.... Nothing like being bent over in pain, puking your guts out, to

stimulate yourself into action... Huh? Seriously, it has been through

necessity that we engage in life sometimes. Some of you are aware of what has

engaged me in life. None more so than Dale. It is friends like Dale that get

you through the horrific times. It is a pleasure and an honor to engage with

this group. Spectacular group of people, each and everyone. When Dale asked, I

rolled my eyes, 'cuz more to do was not what I thought I needed. I was wrong.

So as Dale has so eloquently raised the glass, Good times, good friends, and

plenty more of both...

>

> Always, in all ways,

>

> -Dave

> Re: Question about chanca piedra

>

> Dave, what is your practice? Thanks!

>

>