magnesium

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Hello to all,

How much magnesium should you take? Is this safe for children? Ana :-)

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When I was a wild and stupid 20-something-year-old and drank more than my

wee body could tolerate, I used to wake the next morning with one word in my

head: " Poison " I felt like I would die - or wished I would to relieve the

incredibly horrible condition I was in. I wondered recently if that might

not be because most alcohol is derived from grain (wheat) which I've found I

do better without! Did I crave salty foods the day after (AFTER the nausea

went away!) because my body was seeking magnesium?

[ ] Magnesium

> O'Neill,

>

> I don't know if Magnesium (Mg) will chelate Aluminum. I doubt it. Zinc

> competes with Aluminum and Cadmium thus increasing the elimination rate of

> Aluminum and Cadmium. I have safely used a dose of 50mg daily on my son

when

> he was 5yo and weighed about 45 pounds.

>

> The liver consumes Mg while it is cleaning the blood. You might encounter

a

> Mg deficiency while using DMSA because of a sequence of events similar to

> the following:

> 1. Liver is overloaded by toxins and thus not cleansing efficiently.

> 2. DMSA removes toxins that have been overloading liver.

> 3. Liver increases rate of cleansing thus increasing Mg consumption.

> 4. Mg becomes depleted due to increase in liver cleansing rate.

>

> The best example of the cleansing process depleting Mg is a hangover. The

> liver uses Mg when it breaks down alcohol. Excess alcohol leads to

severely

> reduced Mg which leads to headache and nausea.

>

> BTW=>When I say " Mg deficiency definitely leads to migraine headaches and

> nausea " I do not mean to imply that all migraines are caused by Mg

> deficiency or that Mg deficiency always causes a migraine.

>

> Bob Fisher

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " O'Neill " <paultradi@...>

> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 8:29 AM

>

> Bob

> Would giving magmnessium malate for chelating

> aluminium also act as a magnesium supplement or should

> it be given in a different form as my son has recently

> started covering his ears sometimes during dmsa 'on'

> weeks.

> thx

> paul

>

> --- Bob Fisher <bob@...> wrote:

>

> Magnesium (400mg daily) seems to relieve

> hypersensitive hearing (hands on ears). The liver uses

> lots of Magnesium and other essential minerals while

> removing toxins. Chelation depletes essential

> minerals and a Magnesium deficiency MAY lead to

> hypersensitive hearing. If you add extra Magnesium

> and the hypersensitive hearing improves, please let

> me know because I want more confirming reports.

>

> Magnesium deficiency definitely leads to migraine

> headaches and nausea.

>

> Bob Fisher

> Kalamazoo, Michigan

> " Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful,

> committed citizens can change the world; it's the only

> thing that ever does " Margaret Mead

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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The Magnesium that chelates aluminum must be in the Magnesium Malate form

because it is malic acid that actually chelates aluminum.

Gaylen

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But would giving magnesium in this form help with

sound sensitivity as well as chelating aluminium ?

--- Nomoremetals@... wrote:

> The Magnesium that chelates aluminum must be in the

> Magnesium Malate form

> because it is malic acid that actually chelates

> aluminum.

> Gaylen

>

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Dear ,

Would Finn tolerate having cotton or ear plugs or something of the sort

placed in his ears when he's going to be in a noisy situation? I read these

suggestions in a book by Donna , an aussie autistic. I'm using a

prairie bonnet for Sydney's light sensitivity when we're in bright light and

keep the lights dimmed and curtains drawn to keep light at a bearable level

in the house. She tolerates the bonnet very well even though she normally

does NOT want a hat on, and seems much calmer not being bombarded with

light.

p.s. How's our Finn-man doing, by the way?

Re: [ ] Magnesium

> But would giving magnesium in this form help with

> sound sensitivity as well as chelating aluminium ?

>

>

> --- Nomoremetals@... wrote:

> > The Magnesium that chelates aluminum must be in the

> > Magnesium Malate form

> > because it is malic acid that actually chelates

> > aluminum.

> > Gaylen

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Just finishing round 5 of dmsa 7/7 and Finn is making

good progress, we really seeing some +ve changes and

on this round we think the start of some words

Thanks for the ear plugs tip but for the moment his

sensitivity doesnt seem too bad. What I've noticed is

during on days he occassionally covers his ears and

not just when I'm singing so I assume magnessium

could be getting depleted. What I was wondering is if

I give mag malate for his high aluminium would it also

help the sound sensitivity or should I also supplement

magnesium in a differnt form

rgds

paul

--- lisa edmond <sjcsydney@...> wrote:

> Dear ,

> Would Finn tolerate having cotton or ear plugs

> or something of the sort

> placed in his ears when he's going to be in a noisy

> situation? I read these

> suggestions in a book by Donna , an aussie

> autistic. I'm using a

> prairie bonnet for Sydney's light sensitivity when

> we're in bright light and

> keep the lights dimmed and curtains drawn to keep

> light at a bearable level

> in the house. She tolerates the bonnet very well

> even though she normally

> does NOT want a hat on, and seems much calmer not

> being bombarded with

> light.

>

> p.s. How's our Finn-man doing, by the way?

>

> Re: [ ] Magnesium

>

>

> > But would giving magnesium in this form help with

> > sound sensitivity as well as chelating aluminium ?

> >

> >

> > --- Nomoremetals@... wrote:

> > > The Magnesium that chelates aluminum must be in

> the

> > > Magnesium Malate form

> > > because it is malic acid that actually chelates

> > > aluminum.

> > > Gaylen

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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In a message dated 1/4/01 3:13:45 AM Central Standard Time,

paultradi@... writes:

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>>

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Oops, sorry about the last message mistakingly sent.

I don't know if you need a specific form of magnesium to help with hearing

sensativity but my son takes both the malate form and the chloride form. I

find we still need the liquid chloride form to settle him down and help him

focus even when he's on the malate for his aluminum.

Gaylen

In a message dated 1/4/01 3:13:45 AM Central Standard Time,

paultradi@... writes:

<< But would giving magnesium in this form help with

sound sensitivity as well as chelating aluminium ?

--- Nomoremetals@... wrote:

> The Magnesium that chelates aluminum must be in the

> Magnesium Malate form

> because it is malic acid that actually chelates

> aluminum.

> Gaylen >>

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Awesome info Patty, by the book. I also wanted to add for fibro, a multi and b complex for energy, and exercise, esp walking and toning with weights to free up the muscles and tissue and get the juices flowing to absorb thyroid hormone properly and more effenciently. Love

Magnesium

Ann,

I was also going to say something about this. Cutler PhD says in his book, "Amalgam Illness" that some people have a very real problem with magnesium absorption, especially those with fibromyalgia. He suggests that if magnesium deficiency cannot be corrected through supplements, it can be corrected by injections, and says it takes alot of them, and that they have to be continued until the body absorbs magnesium well. He has a whole protocol about it in his appendix, but I thought this was interesting what he wrote about Fibromyalgia:

This is a laundry list of things that might make you stop hurting if you have fibromyalgia, (listed on Page 94 of his book):

Thyroid hormone (T4 + T3 or T3 alone, but NOT JUST T4)

Large amounts of supplementary magnesium

Frequent magnsium injections

Celebrex

A powerful sleeping aid, such as Remeron or Ambion

Tricyclic antidepressants

Exclusion of all trans fats (fully or partially hydrogenated oils) from the diet.

Large amounts of flax oil, starting with alot of fish oil the first month.

Co Q 10

Acetyl-L-Carnitine

Ginger

I hope this gives some of our girls with fibromyagia some new ideas.

Pattynantynannie <nantynannie@...> wrote:

I also know many people get magnesium injections to relieve muscle spasms and cramping...I have never tried it, but those I know who get them swear by it.Ann

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I wonder how I could get my dr. to give me magnesium injections.

First he would blood test and that would be normal and then he would

say " don't think so " !!! Doctors---can't live with them, can't live

without them! Or was that men? By the way, I have tried many of

those suggestions--b vitamins, coenzyme Q 10, excluding trans fats,

tricyclic antidepressants and supplementary magnesium to name a few--

and so far there hasn't been any difference. I find fibromyalgia to

be a very very hard nut to crack! But keep the suggestions coming!

Hugs, kathy

> I also know many people get magnesium injections to relieve

muscle

> spasms and cramping...I have never tried it, but those I know

who get

> them swear by it.

>

> Ann

>

>

>

>

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Stacie,

For Magnesium to work, you need to take Calicum also .

.. .

I think it's done wonders for me!

I've gone from early osteoporisis to normal in about

five months!

Rogene

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Interesting you should ask about magnesium. I don't

have the research myself, but both Cheney and

Teitelbaum refer to studies that CFS shows depleted

magnesium, and give it (Cheney recommends the

magnesium glycinate form) as a matter of course.

Interesting to me because I and my daughter have been

getting IV's vitamin cocktails which include

magnesium- mine follows IV colloidial silver, my

daughter's includes antiviral stuff. Both are finished

off with a glutathione push. Typically, the nurses

there say, if you are depleted in magnesium the IV is

painful in the receiving arm because it causes local

muscle spasm in the smooth muscles of that vein. The

more IV's you get, the less painful it is. I found

this to be true for myself. The first couple were very

painful, the two most recent have been less and less

painful. My poor daughter was in agony on these first

two for her, and it suggests she's really depleted in

magnesium. We'll have to dilute it down for her to

tolerate, and I'm going to up her oral dose if I can.

By the way, after 5 of these silver IV's, three of

which also included/nutritional/glutathione mix, I

have had increased energy and less herx after them.

This last one, yesterday, I actually felt decent

coming out of the doc's office, and had only a mild

herx (increased pain, fatigue, discoordination)

compared to previous experience. I was surprised,

since the nutritional IV stuff hadn't seemed to have

an effect before. It may be a combination of the

reduction in the Chlam P load from being on the

Wheldon Regime for 6 months, along with the build up

of nutrients from multiple IV's. It lets me know that

despite taking loads of vitamins, not all of it is

getting in, or where it needs to go. Of course, the

glutathione push may also be replenishing, making

detox easier and this may lessen herxing. All I know

for sure is that the combo is working-- pricey but

working.

Jim

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Barb, Just learned why docs likely recommend just magnesium to us.

Since Lyme (and this may apply to other CWD, don't know) is known to

deplete magnesium we don't need anything making that worse. Calcium

and vitamin D, deplete magnesium as well. That would then explain

the correlation I see with Calcium amd vitamin D to my muscle cramps.

Got this from the website I recommended above.

> > > > > My previous experience with the Benicar was not good, and

I

> had

> > > > > extreme weakness. So weak that holding my head up was a

> chore

> > > and

> > > > > chewing food was exhausting.

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently I was just diagnosed with adrenal insufficency,

> > testing

> > > > > done through Great Smokies. As was as low on the chart as

> you

> > > could

> > > > > get, barely scraping the bottom. Could this have been why

I

> was

> > > so

> > > > > weak on the Benicar?

> > > >

> > > > Did you have this problem before you went on the protocol,

or

> was

> > > the

> > > > fatigue (exhaustion) exacerbated on the Benicar.?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > JELLYWROTE:

> > > > > I have read a bit of the stuff that has been posted in the

> past

> > > > > about Benicars possible affect on the adrenals and that

> those

> > > with

> > > > > adrenal insufficency may get into trouble while taking

> Benicar.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been put on Cortef, should that make a difference

> while

> > > on

> > > > > Benicar? Will raising my Cortisol levels make any

difference

> in

> > > the

> > > > > weakness, ya think?

> > > >

> > > > Benicar does shift hormones (and fluid levels) and IMO the

> > > > electrolyte balance. I think there are quite a few people

> > > > with hormone issues while on the protocol you're referring

to.

> > > >

> > > > I guess the main question is whether or not you think

Benicar

> at

> > > > what ever dose you're taking - is doing something

beneficial.

> > > >

> > > > If it's not, then why would you continue taking it?

> > > >

> > > > Barb

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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I have also noticed that I don't have to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. As a matter of fact, I don't have the horrible urgent need to pee during the day either, That is a real bonus for magnesium. I drink a lot of water and it seemed that I was always peeing it right out again.

Now I'm wondering if I am making less urine or becuase the water I drink is being better used by my body and not just going in and out, that I am better hydrated??? Interesting! Taking magnesium was not an overnight success but like most good things took some time to build up to this point. I am happy as once again I have solved a health problem without the aid of conventional medicine which never solved anything for me before anyway.

Anne

TX

This is funny! I had noticed that I was able to stay in bed ALL night, but hadn't thought about it being due to the magnesium.

And no, the whole hot flashes issue wasn't improved overnight, but it's so much better now - well worth the wait!

I will continue to tweak the diet and find what works best for me. So many different approaches to good nutrition - one size does NOT fit all!!

I don't think that matters, though, provided folks are being conscientious and aware, and honestly seeking to do what works for them.

Ev

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Magnesium does wonderous things... Is one of the things they suggest with PMS also. SuziAnne Bird <irishfox99@...> wrote: I have also noticed that I don't have to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. As a matter of fact, I don't have the horrible urgent need to pee during the day either, That is a real bonus for

magnesium. I drink a lot of water and it seemed that I was always peeing it right out again. Now I'm wondering if I am making less urine or becuase the water I drink is being better used by my body and not just going in and out, that I am better hydrated??? Interesting! Taking magnesium was not an overnight success but like most good things took some time to build up to this point. I am happy as once again I have solved a health problem without the aid of conventional medicine which never solved anything for me before anyway. Anne TX __________________________________________________

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<autumn3scorpio@...> wrote: I will continue to tweak the diet and find what works best for me. So many different approaches to good nutrition - one size does NOT fit all!! I don't think that matters, though, provided folks are being conscientious and aware, and honestly seeking to do what works for them. Ev Very well said Ev... What works for one may not work for another. And as long as everyone is striving to improve

their health the best way they can or can afford.. they are were they are supposed to be in life, or at the point of their journey. Suzi Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a

weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. __________________________________________________

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Got to ease on down, ease on down the road!!

Ev

they are where they are supposed to be in life, or at the point of their journey.

Suzi

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Hello Anne,

What kind of magnesium do you take and how much do you take?

I ask you because I have some problem with water retention, swollen feet and perhaps dehydration as I urinate frequently.

My main problem is a hormonal disorder and a large ovarian cyst that I'm trying to eliminate or shrink, but I have not progressed much yet.

Regards,

Rena

Magnesium

I have also noticed that I don't have to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. As a matter of fact, I don't have the horrible urgent need to pee during the day either, That is a real bonus for magnesium. I drink a lot of water and it seemed that I was always peeing it right out again.

Now I'm wondering if I am making less urine or becuase the water I drink is being better used by my body and not just going in and out, that I am better hydrated??? Interesting! Taking magnesium was not an overnight success but like most good things took some time to build up to this point. I am happy as once again I have solved a health problem without the aid of conventional medicine which never solved anything for me before anyway.

Anne

TX

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How much magnesium do you two take? I

have some in my base vitamins (Varsity Pack II from Lindberg Nutrition…been

taking them for 30 years – except before menopause used to take the Pink

Pack for Women), but take 1600mg extra daily (Twinlabs 400mg capsules) as a

constipation preventative. (Only thing that’s ever worked for that!) I

also have the NatureCalm, which is a fizzy magnesium supplement for nerves or

insomnia, but I’ve not found it to work for insomnia. Maybe I should

take it regularly before bed instead of leaving it in the cupboard until I

think I need it?

Just that taking too much magnesium can

have the opposite effect than constipation, and I’d rather not be dealing

with that in the middle of the night. Then I’d *never* get any sleep!

And I *do*

have to get up in the middle of the night to pee. Usually twice, but at least

once. But I drink a couple of cups of herbal tea during the course of the

evening before bed (Tension Tamer and Sleepytime), so never felt that was

unusual. If you put it in, it has to come out.<G>

Sharyn

From:

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This is funny! I had

noticed that I was able to stay in bed ALL night, but hadn't thought about it

being due to the magnesium.

And no, the whole hot flashes issue wasn't improved

overnight, but it's so much better now - well worth the wait!

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I have taken magnesium in some occasions (I don't remember which type), but I didn't feel any difference in any way.

So if magnesium is doing good for others, I really would like to know which one I should take.

Thanks

Rena

Magnesium

Rena,

I use Transdermal Magnesium Therapy - Mag Gell for muscle pains or other pains, I use Mag Oil in the bathtub of hot water and soak for 20 minutes and I sometimes use "Magic" drops, which is Magnesium Chloride and put that in some water and drink.

You can get all of that at life-enthusiast.com.

I'll have to mediate on your other problems...no experience with cysts or fluid retention. I'll also ask my sister who is a lymphatic clearing therapist. She might know.

Anne

TX

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I take Cal Mag... calcium & magnesium combo. SuziBlua Birdo <bluabirdo@...> wrote: I have taken magnesium in some occasions (I don't remember which type), but I didn't feel any difference in any way. So if magnesium is doing good for others, I really would like to know which one I should take. Thanks Rena Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. __________________________________________________

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Peeing water right out again after water

drinking means your kidneys are working well and your body is well hydrated. I

agree, it is a pain to have to go so much, but being chronically dehydrated is

not good either.

Janet

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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007

1:41 AM

health

Subject:

Magnesium

I have also noticed that I don't have to get up in the middle of the

night to go to the bathroom. As a matter of fact, I don't have the

horrible urgent need to pee during the day either, That is a real bonus

for magnesium. I drink a lot of water and it seemed that I was

always peeing it right out again.

Now I'm wondering if I am making less urine or becuase the water I

drink is being better used by my body and not just going in and out, that I am

better hydrated??? Interesting! Taking magnesium was not an

overnight success but like most good things took some time to build up to this

point. I am happy as once again I have solved a health problem without

the aid of conventional medicine which never solved anything for me before anyway.

Anne

TX

[Guest guest]

How much magnesium do you two take? I have some in my base vitamins (Varsity Pack II from Lindberg Nutrition…been taking them for 30 years – except before menopause used to take the Pink Pack for Women), but take 1600mg extra daily (Twinlabs 400mg capsules) as a constipation preventative. (Only thing that’s ever worked for that!)

~~~~Well, heck! You're definitely mg's ahead of what I take - there's 100mg in my multi, and I take an extra 400mg with it.

That's it! (As far as magnesium).

I also have the NatureCalm, which is a fizzy magnesium supplement for nerves or insomnia, but I’ve not found it to work for insomnia. Maybe I should take it regularly before bed instead of leaving it in the cupboard until I think I need it?

~~~~~~Um.....<maybe>!!

Just that taking too much magnesium can have the opposite effect than constipation, and I’d rather not be dealing with that in the middle of the night. Then I’d *never* get any sleep!

~~~~~Oh, havers! Nor dealing with it in the middle of the day (when, say, I'm at the grocery store, or walking the dogs in the morning, or - heaven forbid - 3 miles from my house on horseback...)! Yikes!

And I *do* have to get up in the middle of the night to pee. Usually twice, but at least once. But I drink a couple of cups of herbal tea during the course of the evening before bed (Tension Tamer and Sleepytime), so never felt that was unusual. If you put it in, it has to come out.<G>

Sharyn

~~~~Soitenly! It's just (and YOU know how this is) - I've pee'd before bed, it takes me long enough to fall asleep in the first place, but if I DO wake up in the middle (I was going to say "wee hours", but that just sounded gratuitous) I stand a better chance of getting back to sleep if I stay put. Obviously, that can only work if I'm not aware of my bladder.

Maybe some Crown Royal in that tea ... ?

Ev (ducking and running)

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Rena - I was taking this magnesium (Twinlab) for 2 or 3 weeks before I really noticed any changes. Being a dietary/metabolic thing, sometimes you have to give it time to really get into the system and get to work!

Ev

I have taken magnesium in some occasions (I don't remember which type), but I didn't feel any difference in any way.

So if magnesium is doing good for others, I really would like to know which one I should take.

Thanks

Rena

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Oh, I also take extra calcium - LOTS of that. My SIL told me about seeing the celebrated Dr. Oz on Oprah on a show where he explained that if one gets enough calcium and magnesium in one's diet, they bond together in the intestine and ... um ... clean things up and out. He apparently said it will actually form a soap-like substance, and that people could, over the course of a year, lose 5 or 6 pounds they otherwise wouldn't.

Anybody else see that one? Did I get the facts straight? (Cause I didn't see it myself).

Ev

I take Cal Mag... calcium & magnesium combo.

Suzi