Re: EATING MEAT

[Guest guest]

I think someone on this list recently said something interesting about

meat consumption. I'm not sure I could re-find it easily. What was it

if you would be so kind? They have been discussing the paleodiet on the

Intestinal Health list. I've been a type O vegetarian for about ten

years and am not interested in eating meat again, even though it does

have some benefits. I think it also has some drawbacks and that's what

the comment was about. J.

[Guest guest]

Are you certain the problem is greed in cattle raisers? Most folks do what

they have to do to make a living, never questioning the industry they're

involved in unless there's some dramatic event that makes one sit up and

take notice. Whoever thought to put chicken dung in cow feed? I prefer the

demons to be the mega grain and chemical corps. Gotta do something with all

that GM soy. >>

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My problem is with the greed with many things, not actually just cattle

raisers. Yes, i know they have to make money. Pumping them full of things

that are not good for us in order to raise fatter cows and raise them faster

is my problem, but the thingie with mad-cow disease overseas because

basically what you have was cows eating cows. Not too good a thing.

Don't get me wrong, while I feel that meat, whether it be beef or chicken, is

good for the human body and a blessing from Yahweh, I feel that too much of a

good thing can be bad also. If someone sits around and eats beef all day or

whatever, or chicken, then they're definitely overdoing a healthy thing. But

it can work the same way with other things besides meat. A person can drink

too much orange juice, for example. I seriously believe the body actually

loves moderation and thrives on it. Even the healthiest thing can also

become unhealthy. And not only is moderation a key, but so is variety of

things, esp. with veggies.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Hello Susie and everyone else.

I do eat meat......however, I try not to. I know, sounds like an oxymoron, but I do. I tend to eat meat more on special occasions nowadays, which is how I think it was done in the "olden" days. If you study into it, you will see that a rich man's diet was that of meat every day, rich foods like nuts (high in fat) and other things of this sort. And then there was the peasants diet which consisted of fruit and veggies and occasionally meat such as when they had to slaughter one of their work animals, per se, in order not to go hungry or starve. I try and keep myself in the mindset of eating meat at the Holy days like Feast of Tabernacles, and the Passover feast, and certain other occasions. Look at when he was taken captive, he asked for vegetables and water and his countenance was better than those who ate the kings delicacies.

Some people thrive when they do not eat meat......and I am one of those people. I can occasionally get away with eating it once in awhile and I can't tell the difference in my body. But when I eat it every day or like every other day, I can tell the difference. It seems like it drags me down.

I read where the meat is not readily digested and it sits in your stomach and rots and ferments. I don't want that, espeically when I am trying to cleanse. And besides, with all the crap that is going on with the mad cow disease, foot and mouth, etc. etc., how do you know what you are really eating when you buy meat from the store? I read somewhere about how they slaughter a cow today. First, its raised by pumping antibiotics and hormones into it to get it to grow quickly w/o (or should I say less?) disease. Then when they kill it, they put it into this stall, and the cow is fighting all the way, he's trying to get free, the adrenaline is flowing. Now the hormones are really teeming thru the flesh of this animal and all that meat is really full of the hormones and stuff. Then they shoot the cow in the head and string it up to drain the blood. I can't remember where I read this, but I read it not too long ago.

I tend to lean more toward the way the halleluyah acres diet is....but only because it works good for me. This type of diet does not work good for my husband. He seems to thrive when he has meat. So you just have to find whats best for you, and go with it.

Sue

In a message dated 5/21/01 7:45:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tishri7@... writes:

Hello,

I understand that some people wish to vegetarians, but I follow the scriptural guidelines about eating meat. I know that Yahweh, our creator, blessed meat for mankind to eat. Yes, I do eat what is scripturally clean meat because of the higher meaning.

But meat, in itself, is good for all mankind and is necessary in this age.

While it is true there have been problems in meat, especially beef at the present time, it's because of the greed in cattle raisers. I agree with in the NT that the "weaker" brother eats only veggies.

Do I love veggies? Yes, truly. I can't do without either one. Plus I'm trying to add more fish to my diet, which fish is wonderful for us; that is, clean fish that Yahweh gave us to eat.

Susie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 05/21/2001 8:49:40 PM Central Daylight Time,

suekot@... writes:

<< But when I eat it every day or like

every other day, I can tell the difference. It seems like it drags me down.

I read where the meat is not readily digested and it sits in your stomach

and

rots and ferments. >>

...............................I too, have read that meat averages 7 days to

pass through the body. Does anybody know how much truth there is in that? I

do know that as I have been trying to become more aware of what I eat, and

what passes through, I have noticed that I don't feel nearly as peppy when I

have eaten meat....I have cut it out considerably.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sue,

I understand your post. However, it is not true that people didn't eat meat

on just special occasions. Yahushua the messiah ate fish all the time. As a

matter of fact, this hasn't changed at all in the area around Galilee, i.e.,

fish eating.

Another point, when Noah left the arch, Yahweh specifically told him that

mankind can eat all meat. He never said jjust on the Feast days, i.e., high

sabbath, you can have meat. He never did specify that at all.

You may be assuming that most people were poor, which they were not. Abraham

was extremely rich. He was not a so-called " desert nomad " as many people

thing. Before the three male angels went off to Sodom and Gomorrah to rescue

lot, Abraham had meat slaughtered for them and made them a very decent meal.

The times that people were very poor had to do with famine times. But other

times, people were pretty well off, which is not different than nowadays.

Now, I know that stuff is wrong with our food. However, since I ask Yahweh

to bless my daily food, I assume he does. I trust him to do this.

I know this isn't the topic, but food is actually scriptural related anyway.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Mercola just printed a Biblically accurate response to the Hallelujah Diet.

http://www.mercola.com/article/Diet/bible_nutrition3.htm

Are you certain the problem is greed in cattle raisers? Most folks do what

they have to do to make a living, never questioning the industry they're

involved in unless there's some dramatic event that makes one sit up and

take notice. Whoever thought to put chicken dung in cow feed? I prefer the

demons to be the mega grain and chemical corps. Gotta do something with all

that GM soy.

SaraLou

-----

> Hello,

> I understand that some people wish to vegetarians, but I follow the

> scriptural guidelines about eating meat. I know that Yahweh, our creator,

> blessed meat for mankind to eat. Yes, I do eat what is scripturally clean

> meat because of the higher meaning.

>

> But meat, in itself, is good for all mankind and is necessary in this age.

> While it is true there have been problems in meat, especially beef at the

> present time, it's because of the greed in cattle raisers. I agree with

> in the NT that the " weaker " brother eats only veggies.

>

[Guest guest]

Meat rots, carbs ferment, fats become rancid when digestion is thwarted.

(Reflux, leaky gut, IBS, allergies, sensitivities and more result.)

Meat takes 3-5 hours to digest IF you have the necessary gastric juices in

your stomach. Meat stimulates the production of HCl in the stomach (among

other things) but as we age, there seems to be a reduction in the production

of HCl with which to digest in the stomach. Enzymes, in general, have their

most significant action in the small intestine; HCl in the stomach. In

general.

If it takes forever for meat (or anything) to move through your system, your

system isn't working as designed. This may be due to a congenital/genetic

issue that arose from concentrated populations (geography, race, tribe,

family), or because proper nutrition is not taking place as a result of food

mixing, lack of chewing, inadequate digestive juices and such.

Because of the antibiotics and hormones used in the SAD, I wonder if they

don't also have some effect upon digestion and how it is affected. Let's

see. Antibiotics kill intestinal flora which help with food breakdown.

They kill the bacteria which begins to rot or ferment or rancidity holding

it in some sort of suspension of less than lively but not killer dead? I

dunno.

However, digestion is the first place things don't work, and often it's very

primal, because we chew inadequately. Especially meat.

SaraLou

> << But when I eat it every day or like

> every other day, I can tell the difference. It seems like it drags me

down.

> I read where the meat is not readily digested and it sits in your stomach

> and

> rots and ferments. >>

> ..............................I too, have read that meat averages 7 days

to

> pass through the body.

[Guest guest]

If you have poor digestion it is a possiblity. If you have alot of fiber from fruits and veges and have good enzyme levels and drink lots of water, it shouldn't take more than 24 hrs. But most people have little of the above, so. . . But I do, so I eat meat and do well on it. I was a vegetarian for about 15 years and loved it. But my body just can't do it now. Without meat I go into major stress in chest and heart palps and basically go 911.

Donna

-..............................I too, have read that meat averages 7 days to pass through the body. Does anybody know how much truth there is in that? I do know that as I have been trying to become more aware of what I eat, and what passes through, I have noticed that I don't feel nearly as peppy when I have eaten meat....I have cut it out considerably.

[Guest guest]

I read your message, but why go to a store and buy meat and eggs and a

lot of other goodies. When you can go find a lot of good hard working farmers

that grow healthy animals without all those nasty and

filthy shots and feed the animals right, and you

can pick and chose the ones you want If you are really concerned

about your body than go and get the food from the real source, this

can be so rewarding. I have many good sources were I go and can pick my

own and they are some real nice folks out there. Any way this is just a

thought and a suggesting

Sincerely Larry G Strite

suekot@... wrote:

Hello Susie

and everyone else.

I do eat meat......however,

I try not to. I know, sounds like an oxymoron,

but I do.

I tend to eat meat more on special occasions nowadays, which is

how I think it was done in

the "olden" days. If you study into it, you will

see that a rich man's diet

was that of meat every day, rich foods like nuts

(high in fat) and other things

of this sort. And then there was the peasants

diet which consisted of fruit

and veggies and occasionally meat such as when

they had to slaughter one of

their work animals, per se, in order not to go

hungry or starve. I try

and keep myself in the mindset of eating meat at the

Holy days like Feast of Tabernacles,

and the Passover feast, and certain

other occasions. Look

at when he was taken captive, he asked for

vegetables and water and his

countenance was better than those who ate the

kings delicacies.

Some people thrive when they

do not eat meat......and I am one of those

people. I can occasionally

get away with eating it once in awhile

and I

can't

tell the difference in my body. But when I eat it every day or like

every

other day, I can tell the difference. It seems like it drags me down.

I read

where the meat is not readily digested and it sits in your stomach and

rots

and ferments. I don't want that, espeically when I am trying to

cleanse.

And besides, with all the crap that is going on with the mad cow

disease,

foot and mouth, etc. etc., how do you know what you are really

eating

when you buy meat from the store? I read somewhere about how they

slaughter

a cow today. First, its raised by pumping antibiotics and hormones

into

it to get it to grow quickly w/o (or should I say less?) disease.

Then

when

they kill it, they put it into this stall, and the cow is fighting all

the way,

he's trying to get free, the adrenaline is flowing. Now the

hormones

are really teeming thru the flesh of this animal and all that meat

is really

full of the hormones and stuff. Then they shoot the cow in the

head

and string it up to drain the blood. I can't remember where I read

this,

but I read it not too long ago.

I tend

to lean more toward the way the halleluyah acres diet is....but only

because

it works good for me. This type of diet does not work good for my

husband.

He seems to thrive when he has meat. So you just have to find

whats

best for you, and go with it.

Sue

In a message

dated 5/21/01 7:45:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tishri7@...

writes:

Hello,

I understand

that some people wish to vegetarians, but I follow the

scriptural guidelines

about eating meat. I know that Yahweh, our creator,

blessed meat

for mankind to eat. Yes, I do eat what is scripturally clean

meat because

of the higher meaning.

But meat, in

itself, is good for all mankind and is necessary in this age.

While it is

true there have been problems in meat, especially beef at the

present time,

it's because of the greed in cattle raisers. I agree with

in the

NT that the "weaker" brother eats only veggies.

Do I love veggies?

Yes, truly. I can't do without either one. Plus I'm

trying to add

more fish to my diet, which fish is wonderful for us; that

is,

clean fish that

Yahweh gave us to eat.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Not meaning to be disrespectful, but I think this really is a matter of opinion

and the way each person interprets what they read. There is a scripture reading

stated on the Hallelujah Acres site: " And God said: Behold, I have given you

every herb

(vegetable) bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every

tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for

meat. " (Genesis 1:29)

I disagree that the " weaker brother eats only veggies " . As I said, this is all

a matter of opinion, but I personally don't believe that God gave us the animals

to slaughter and eat the way we have been. Maybe it's the animals' way of

having the last laugh as we all suffer with parasites, pain, and disease from

eating from them.

Rhonda

> Hello,

> I understand that some people wish to vegetarians, but I follow the

> scriptural guidelines about eating meat. I know that Yahweh, our creator,

> blessed meat for mankind to eat. Yes, I do eat what is scripturally clean

> meat because of the higher meaning.

>

> But meat, in itself, is good for all mankind and is necessary in this age.

> While it is true there have been problems in meat, especially beef at the

> present time, it's because of the greed in cattle raisers. I agree with

> in the NT that the " weaker " brother eats only veggies.

>

> Do I love veggies? Yes, truly. I can't do without either one. Plus I'm

> trying to add more fish to my diet, which fish is wonderful for us; that is,

> clean fish that Yahweh gave us to eat.

> Susie

[Guest guest]

From a non-biblical point of view, every time paleontologists discovered

Neanderthal men and women in the Swiss Alps, they always find a little pouch of

grains, nuts or seeds on their person. They've also noted that their teeth are

ground down the way a cow's teeth are from chewing plant foods. There were

never any signs of meat-eating such as animal bones on their person. This just

seems to me that man has always been a vegetarian and not a meat-eater.

Rhonda

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> Hi, Sue,

> I understand your post. However, it is not true that people didn't eat meat

> on just special occasions. Yahushua the messiah ate fish all the time. As a

> matter of fact, this hasn't changed at all in the area around Galilee, i.e.,

> fish eating.

>

> Another point, when Noah left the arch, Yahweh specifically told him that

> mankind can eat all meat. He never said jjust on the Feast days, i.e., high

> sabbath, you can have meat. He never did specify that at all.

>

> You may be assuming that most people were poor, which they were not. Abraham

> was extremely rich. He was not a so-called " desert nomad " as many people

> thing. Before the three male angels went off to Sodom and Gomorrah to rescue

> lot, Abraham had meat slaughtered for them and made them a very decent meal.

>

> The times that people were very poor had to do with famine times. But other

> times, people were pretty well off, which is not different than nowadays.

>

> Now, I know that stuff is wrong with our food. However, since I ask Yahweh

> to bless my daily food, I assume he does. I trust him to do this.

>

> I know this isn't the topic, but food is actually scriptural related anyway.

> Susie

[Guest guest]

I was wondering today...

My die-off symptoms seem to have gotten a LOT worse

since I started eating meat on November 28th. Although

on the other hand 95% of all of the bloating and

intestinal problems went away as soon as I stopped the

soy.

Do you think that the combination of the meat and the

coconut oil, the latter of which I consume in copius

quantities, have speeded up the die-off? Not that I

would consider laying off of either one of them --

I'll try stopping the Nystatin instead.

Just wondering,

Jeanne

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[Guest guest]

Jeanne wrote:

> My die-off symptoms seem to have gotten a LOT worse

> since I started eating meat on November 28th. Although

> on the other hand 95% of all of the bloating and

> intestinal problems went away as soon as I stopped the

> soy.

> Do you think that the combination of the meat and the

> coconut oil, the latter of which I consume in copius

> quantities, have speeded up the die-off?

The meat wouldn't cause die-off at all, but the coconut oil would,

big time!

The best as always Jeanne!

Bee

Not that I

[Guest guest]

I can't find the post that Bee is refering to on

Jeanne overcoming eating meat. I went through that

myself and am interested in her story.

I've searched the archives but can't find it. This is

an example where it would have been good to see the

previous post. Did it have a differernt subject line?

--- Bee <beewilder@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Dear Jeanne,

What a wonderful post you wrote to . And I'm so

proud of you

overcoming your feelings about eating meats. That's

very very well

done! You're on your way girl! You'll be a sassy

diva in no time.

lol!

Bee

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Ej:

Here it is, I copied it for you (you're right, the heading was changed)

, my heart goes out to you. Hang in there. As I

> mentioned earlier, I spent the first month living on

> canned tuna and roasted chicken -- but I'm slowly

> learning to prepare things at home.

>

> I know what you mean about the bones and all, and I've

> only been buying deboned chicken breasts. That seems

> to make it easier for me to cook them. I still haven't

> tried eating red meat yet.

>

> I don't know what your beliefs are (I'm a Buddhist),

> but I have found it helpful to offer a prayer before

> eating for the well-being of those animals who gave

> their lives so that I might become healthy.

>

> I understand your love of animals. The first day I

> decided to start eating chicken I spent the day crying

> and hugging my cats, as I basically saw no difference

> between them and the roasted chicken in my kitchen.

> I've since learned to take the " middle road " and am a

> bit more balanced about it now.

>

> Hang in there. Things will get better. The human body

> and mind are incredible things, and if we take things

> step by step and apply ourselves we can accomplish

> just about anything. The more familiar the diet

> becomes, the easier it will be. Please have some

> compassion for yourself.

>

> Un abrazo,

>

> Jeanne

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> She is a fitness instructor in new york city and

> graduated from university with a degree in fitness and

> nutrition. She is a very educated girl going for her

> masters in this field. I need to prove to her that

> eating meat has benefits.

>

> Can anyone give me facts that i can relate to her with

> positive facts on how meat is good for us.

Hi e,

Because of her educational background and pursuits, I would highly

recommend the book " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration " by Weston A

Price. Written in the 1930s, it is a mind-blowing account of the

diets of traditional socities on their native diets and the

degeneration of facial structure and dental health once Western foods

(sugar, white flour, canned goods, margarine) are introduced.

The Weston A Price Foundation (WAPF) promotes Price's research

today. Founded by Sally Fallon, who also wrote " Nourishing

Traditions " -- both a cookbook and nutrion book. Literature from

WAPF lists 11 characteristics that all traditional diets had in

common. All of them ate some form of animal protein. Price had

hoped to find a healthy vegetarian group, but never did. One of the

most striking discoveries of Price was that these groups all had

diets 10x higher in Vitamins A & D than the American diet at the

time. Vits A & D are only found in animal foods ( & sunshine for D).

Beta-carotene is not Vitamins. Vitamin A, in particular, was

necessary for healthy reproduction and healthy babies.

While Nourishing Traditions is a fantastic book, with your daughters

background I think she would enjoy Price's original work.

Also, if you can get a copy of Sally Fallon's 5-hour DVD set on

Nourishing Traditions (contact the foundation?), it is VERY good at

explaining why animal foods, particularly animal fats are crucial for

human health and development. It costs about $70 and, I believe, is

worth every penny.

The clincher in reading Price's work and the literature from WAPF is

Price's photos showing the narrowing of the face & crowding of teeth

(physical degeneration) once diet changes. One can't read his book

and NOT be moved by this evidence. It changes how you look at humans

forever.

You could also give her a gift membership ($40) to the WAPF and

she'll receive their quarterly magazine which has great articles for

someone interested in nutrition, but also lots of testimonials of

improved health when people switch to raw milk, animal fats, organ

meats, etc...

There are many farmers raising animals humanely today (grass-fed,

pasture-based). The confinement farm system is inhumane, but it is

not the only option for meat-eaters. Pasture-raised animals are also

more nutritious.

Hope this helps.

[Guest guest]

>I am hoping that someone in this group can help me

>with this.

My daughter will not eat meat. She is now 21 and refuses to eat meat since

she was 12. Her thoughts on

this is because of a movie she saw in school about slaughter houses.

Hi e,

I can certainly relate to how she feels. I have seen videos of slaughter

houses and it's horrific. Every once in a while I still get images of what

they do to those poor animals. One way to get around it is by ordering from

farms that pasture feed their animals, probably have less for slaughter at

any given time, and therefore don't use big slaughter houses. I purchased

things from peacefulpastures.com and contacted them regarding their

slaughter practices. After talking to the owner about it I Felt a lot

better. Maybe that would help your daughter.

a

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[Guest guest]

Also maybe get her Sally Fallon's book, eat fat lose fat. Its more

recent than Price's orginal work, and is full of info on nturition

that might convince her that avoiding meat is not only bad for her

health, but also bad for her waste line! " )

--- <justiebs@...> wrote:

> >

> > ...Can anyone give me facts that i can relate to her with

> > positive facts on how meat is good for us...

> >

--- <lm324@...> wrote:

>

> Because of her educational background and pursuits, I would highly

> recommend the book " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration " by Weston

> Price. Written in the 1930s, it is a mind-blowing account of the

> diets of traditional socities on their native diets and the

> degeneration of facial structure and dental health once Western

> foods (sugar, white flour, canned goods, margarine) are introduced...

[Guest guest]

I would like to send people who indoctrinate children with PETA

propaganda movies to the slaughter house sometimes. The fact that she

could also receive an advanced degree in nutrition and still be

convinced not eating meat is okay shows the value of an advanced degree

in nutrition.

> My daughter will not eat meat. She is now 21 and

> refuses to eat meat since she was 12. Her thoughts on

> this is because of a movie she saw in school about

> slaughter houses.

[Guest guest]

I think, though, that there is something to be said for humane

treatment (though I think PETA goes way over board on this). Not only

is it the right thing to do, in my mind, but animals that are treated

poorly have more infections, fall prey to diseases more often, their

growth is slowed, and the nutritional content of their meat and milk

are lowered. So from purely selfish stand point, its not good for us! " )

Jecca

--- " Doug " <organyze@...> wrote:

>

> I would like to send people who indoctrinate children with PETA

> propaganda movies to the slaughter house sometimes. The fact that she

> could also receive an advanced degree in nutrition and still be

> convinced not eating meat is okay shows the value of an advanced

> degree in nutrition.

[Guest guest]

>

> I am hoping that someone in this group can help me

> with this.

>

> My daughter will not eat meat. She is now 21 and

> refuses to eat meat since she was 12. Her thoughts on

> this is because of a movie she saw in school about

> slaughter houses.

>

> She is a fitness instructor in new york city and

> graduated from university with a degree in fitness and

> nutrition. She is a very educated girl going for her

> masters in this field. I need to prove to her that

> eating meat has benefits.

>

> Can anyone give me facts that i can relate to her with

> positive facts on how meat is good for us.

>

Hi e. I agree that Dr. Price's book is the best. Also see

these articles at the Weston A. Price Foundation:

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtbeef.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/healthissues/ethicsmeat.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vegetarianism.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/mythstruths/mtnutrition.html

Also see these for vegetarians:

http://www.westonaprice.org/tour/vegtourindex.html

Bee

[Guest guest]

> My daughter will not eat meat. She is now 21 and

> refuses to eat meat since she was 12. Her thoughts on

> this is because of a movie she saw in school about

> slaughter houses.

> God Bless

> ~e~

Dear e,

I echo the other reading suggestions.

Since it sounds like your daughter's main objection is treatment of

the animals, two other wonderful books are " Pasture Perfect:The Far-

Reaching Benefits of Choosing Meat, Eggs, and Dairy Products from

Grass-Fed Animals " by Jo and " Holy Cows and Hog Heaven " by

Salatin. They are easy reads but have a lot of persuasive

information, both on the health benefits of grass-fed animals as well

as about the conditions they are raised in.

See also Jo 's website, www.eatwild.com which gives similar

info, and also provides a list by U.S. states of local sources for

pasture raised meat, eggs and dairy products. (I am not sure if there

are also lists for non-U.S. countries)

Because of the info in these books, I no longer look for " organic "

or " free-range " meat/meat products. I look for " grass-fed "

or " pastured " products from local farmers and am fortunate to live in

an area where it is not difficult to secure these. If you do not,

there are good farms that will ship meat to you.

There is a huge difference between living conditions for

conventionally raised animals ( " factory farming " ) and pastured raised

animals, which besides the nutritional benefits of pastured raised

animals, was great incentive for me to switch. It makes me ill to

think of a company saying its " chickens have access to outdoors "

which really could just mean that if they can climb over 50,000 other

chickens, they can go outside, not to mention the filth they survive

in. Why would I want to eat meat from an unhealthy chicken?

The process-- over five or six years, not overnight--of converting to

an all-organic/pastured raised diet has made me thankful to the Lord

and thankful for and connected to the farmers and the animals for

the wonderful,Yuuummmy! food that is now on our table. I hope that

your daughter will at least consider reading the materials all

posters have suggested.

I don't know what the slaughterhouse is like that my twice-yearly

beef quarter order is prepared in, but if you want me to find out, I

could email " my " farmer ( Salatin). I don't think he addresses

the smaller slaughterhouse process in his book. (How cool is it that

after years of grocery store meat, I can now say MY farmer?!) You

can email me directly if you want me to do this, unless someone else

posts they want to know, too, and I can post online.

I know that it hurts to see your daughter choosing what we now know

to be poor nutrition. We all have folks in our lives who are where

we once were. Most of us did not get here not overnight, but through

a long process of one-by-one changes. I'm so thankful my friend

introduced me to Bee and this group via this website! I have real

hope finally that I will be free of the health problems I've had for

15 years, and probably healthier than I have ever been in my 50 years!

--Rhe

[Guest guest]

Very well said! It is hard for me, as well, to see many of my family

and friends struggle needlessly, when the solution is right here for

the taking, if only they would try it. But we all have to fight our

own battles, and we can only be responsible for ourselves. It is my

hope that by at least being an example of good health, as I progress

on the diet, people will come to realize that nutrition really is the

key, and that good nutrient dense food is the best medicine.

Jecca

--- " lillyscott758 " <knrkelley@...> wrote:

> ...I know that it hurts to see your daughter choosing what we now know

> to be poor nutrition. We all have folks in our lives who are where

> we once were. Most of us did not get here not overnight, but through

> a long process of one-by-one changes...

[Guest guest]

Dear Rhe. I really enjoyed what you wrote. Please post any

information you would like on the group. I'm sure we will all

benefit from it.

The best, Bee

>

> > My daughter will not eat meat. She is now 21 and

> > refuses to eat meat since she was 12. Her thoughts on

> > this is because of a movie she saw in school about

> > slaughter houses.

>

> > God Bless

> > ~e~

>

> Dear e,

> I echo the other reading suggestions.

> Since it sounds like your daughter's main objection is treatment of

> the animals, two other wonderful books are " Pasture Perfect:The Far-

> Reaching Benefits of Choosing Meat, Eggs, and Dairy Products from

> Grass-Fed Animals " by Jo and " Holy Cows and Hog Heaven " by

> Salatin. They are easy reads but have a lot of persuasive

> information, both on the health benefits of grass-fed animals as

well

> as about the conditions they are raised in.

>

> See also Jo 's website, www.eatwild.com which gives similar

> info, and also provides a list by U.S. states of local sources for

> pasture raised meat, eggs and dairy products. (I am not sure if

there

> are also lists for non-U.S. countries)

>

> Because of the info in these books, I no longer look for " organic "

> or " free-range " meat/meat products. I look for " grass-fed "

> or " pastured " products from local farmers and am fortunate to live

in

> an area where it is not difficult to secure these. If you do not,

> there are good farms that will ship meat to you.

>

> There is a huge difference between living conditions for

> conventionally raised animals ( " factory farming " ) and pastured

raised

> animals, which besides the nutritional benefits of pastured raised

> animals, was great incentive for me to switch. It makes me ill to

> think of a company saying its " chickens have access to outdoors "

> which really could just mean that if they can climb over 50,000

other

> chickens, they can go outside, not to mention the filth they

survive

> in. Why would I want to eat meat from an unhealthy chicken?

>

> The process-- over five or six years, not overnight--of converting

to

> an all-organic/pastured raised diet has made me thankful to the

Lord

> and thankful for and connected to the farmers and the animals for

> the wonderful,Yuuummmy! food that is now on our table. I hope that

> your daughter will at least consider reading the materials all

> posters have suggested.

>

> I don't know what the slaughterhouse is like that my twice-yearly

> beef quarter order is prepared in, but if you want me to find out,

I

> could email " my " farmer ( Salatin). I don't think he addresses

> the smaller slaughterhouse process in his book. (How cool is it

that

> after years of grocery store meat, I can now say MY farmer?!) You

> can email me directly if you want me to do this, unless someone

else

> posts they want to know, too, and I can post online.

>

> I know that it hurts to see your daughter choosing what we now know

> to be poor nutrition. We all have folks in our lives who are where

> we once were. Most of us did not get here not overnight, but

through

> a long process of one-by-one changes. I'm so thankful my friend

> introduced me to Bee and this group via this website! I have real

> hope finally that I will be free of the health problems I've had

for

> 15 years, and probably healthier than I have ever been in my 50

years!

> --Rhe

>

[Guest guest]

Here is an excellent and eye-opening website for vegetarians.

www.beyondveg.com

-Skip

Can anyone give me facts that i can relate to her with

positive facts on how meat is good for us.

TIA

God Bless

~e~

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