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Milk Thistle and Lecithin

Lemon and olive oil

Kathy

" Don St. " <dnstjohn@...> wrote:

I suspect that my 13 year old has some problems related to liver congestion.

I was thinking about giving him some dandelion root to increase the bile

flow to start with. I haven’t been able to talk him into doing a liver

flush even though I have done about a dozen of them in the past 9 months.

He is currently taking Quercetin about twice a day and zinc.

Any suggestions for treating him?

Don

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Do you know if Milk Thistle OK for children?

Don

Re: Liver congestion

Milk Thistle and Lecithin

Lemon and olive oil

Kathy

" Don St. " <dnstjohn@...> wrote:

I suspect that my 13 year old has some problems related to liver congestion.

I was thinking about giving him some dandelion root to increase the bile

flow to start with. I haven't been able to talk him into doing a liver

flush even though I have done about a dozen of them in the past 9 months.

He is currently taking Quercetin about twice a day and zinc.

Any suggestions for treating him?

Don

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What about milk thistle? Why do you think he has liver congestion?

Liver congestion

I suspect that my 13 year old has some problems related to liver congestion.

I was thinking about giving him some dandelion root to increase the bile

flow to start with. I haven't been able to talk him into doing a liver

flush even though I have done about a dozen of them in the past 9 months.

He is currently taking Quercetin about twice a day and zinc.

Any suggestions for treating him?

Don

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He has had sinus trouble ever since a 6 month period of repeated antibiotics

and other drug. This was back when he was only about 3 years old. He has

taken way too many drugs ever since then. About 6 months ago he developed

eczema. He now appears to be having some sort of chemical sensitivity

problem. This has just come up in the past couple of days so I don't have

all the information or answers yet. I suspect that he is internally

swimming in toxins.

Also, I realize he is a young teenager, but I think that 12+ hours of sleep

every night is a bit much too. I remember saying that needing too

much sleep is a sign of liver congestion.

Unfortunately, his diet is not the best. He is O-sec. The meals he gets at

my house every other week at least comply with the type O secretor food

lists, but his mix and frequency are not what they should be. When he is at

his mother's house I suspect he gets the std. American type meals, even

though I have tried to influence her to shift towards the BTD. She is O+.

Don't even get me started on what they serve for school lunches.

Many of my health problems have improved or gone away since I started taking

better care of my liver.

Don

Re: Liver congestion

What about milk thistle? Why do you think he has liver congestion?

Liver congestion

I suspect that my 13 year old has some problems related to liver

congestion.

I was thinking about giving him some dandelion root to increase the bile

flow to start with. I haven't been able to talk him into doing a liver

flush even though I have done about a dozen of them in the past 9 months.

He is currently taking Quercetin about twice a day and zinc.

Any suggestions for treating him?

Don

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Yes Very safe

" Don St. " <dnstjohn@...> wrote:Do you know if Milk Thistle OK for

children?

Don

Re: Liver congestion

Milk Thistle and Lecithin

Lemon and olive oil

Kathy

" Don St. " <dnstjohn@...> wrote:

I suspect that my 13 year old has some problems related to liver congestion.

I was thinking about giving him some dandelion root to increase the bile

flow to start with. I haven't been able to talk him into doing a liver

flush even though I have done about a dozen of them in the past 9 months.

He is currently taking Quercetin about twice a day and zinc.

Any suggestions for treating him?

Don

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Don St. wrote:

> I suspect that my 13 year old has some problems related to liver congestion.

> I was thinking about giving him some dandelion root to increase the bile

> flow to start with. I haven’t been able to talk him into doing a liver

> flush even though I have done about a dozen of them in the past 9 months.

> He is currently taking Quercetin about twice a day and zinc.

>

> Any suggestions for treating him?

Don,

No suggestions for treatment itself, but as an approach, I'd be

wanting to find the cause and remove it, as the main objective.

Meantime, a good liver supplement I can suggest is Livotrit-Plus which

is an ayurvedic herbal remedy to support the liver.

Namaste,

Irene

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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

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Don St. wrote:

> He has had sinus trouble ever since a 6 month period of repeated antibiotics

> and other drug. This was back when he was only about 3 years old. He has

> taken way too many drugs ever since then. About 6 months ago he developed

> eczema. He now appears to be having some sort of chemical sensitivity

> problem.

Don,

These are all indications of a skewed immune system. Drugs and

antibiotics and also vaccines - tend to overbalance the delicate balance

of immune system cytokines so that there is overactivity on one side

(where Th-2 helper cells are made in the bone marrow) and way too little

activity in the thymus side (where Th-1 helper cells are made in the

thymus, spleen and lymph).

The result is a predisposition to chronic conditions from a TH-2 skewed

immune system. Those include allergies, sensitivities, and a host of

other potential problems as time goes on.

His liver might or might not be having a hard time but his adrenals are

probably stressed and in need of support. They help the balance of

cytokines not to get worse than it is.

Supplements that can help this are:

Pantothenic acid in large amounts

Vit B6

Vit C (as ascorbic acid or ascorbyl palmitate not ester-C)

and also

Moducare.

Moducare is a supplement containing plant sterols and sterolins that

helps the immune system rebalance so the thymus can do its job.

The thymus is not looked after well by modern medicine which tends to

act as though it is not there - pity - as it is the first line of

defence against chronic conditions including allergies (eczema is one).

Pantothenic acid (aka calcium pantothenate) got my own son right from

allergies - he had to take 1500 mg a day to get right. So it is the

first aid aspect with the other vits.

The moducare is a more longterm approach towards prevention.

Any time you take one B vitamin in quantity - like B6 or pantothenic

acid as here - it is wise to also take a general B vitamin supplement to

keep the B vits all available, else the ones not supplied can become

deficient.

I surely sympathize with the lack of control you have over the diet of

your son - that has to be so frustrating. Maybe you can influence it

with jerky snacks etc. Tricky.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

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Is milk thistle the edible part of a milkweed (the type of milkweed that

monarch butterflies like), the white part in the middle of the flower pod?

I had a brief wilderness survival lesson once as a teenager where we all

tasted it; not too bad, tasted like dry carrots but with no sweetness.

Re: Liver congestion

Milk Thistle and Lecithin

Lemon and olive oil

Kathy

" Don St. " <dnstjohn@...> wrote:

I suspect that my 13 year old has some problems related to liver

congestion.

I was thinking about giving him some dandelion root to increase the bile

flow to start with. I haven't been able to talk him into doing a liver

flush even though I have done about a dozen of them in the past 9 months.

He is currently taking Quercetin about twice a day and zinc.

Any suggestions for treating him?

Don

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Just remember that licorice is better for your liver then Milk thistle

if you are an O

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Re: Liver congestion

Milk Thistle and Lecithin

Lemon and olive oil

Kathy

" Don St. " <dnstjohn@...> wrote:

I suspect that my 13 year old has some problems related to liver

congestion.

I was thinking about giving him some dandelion root to increase the bile

flow to start with. I haven't been able to talk him into doing a liver

flush even though I have done about a dozen of them in the past 9

months.

He is currently taking Quercetin about twice a day and zinc.

Any suggestions for treating him?

Don

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> Just remember that licorice is better for your liver then Milk

thistle

> if you are an O

Generally, I don't care for licorice, but last year in Amsterdam I

tasted salty licorice and YUM, I'm hooked! In fact, my husband is

there again this year and the only thing I asked him to bring me back

was salted licorice. I almost crave it.

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hi anna,

I'm curious where do you buy your standard process vitamins from?

i have used them in and they are quite good .

mike

Liver congestion

For liver congestion, I take three (3) products from STANDARD PROCESS: Cal-AmoAntronexLivaplex Although I'm technically taking Spanish Black Radish for the lympathic system and colon, it helps with liver congestion, too. I also take AF Betafood. - wildman350smom writes: > Hi > What do you use for your liver congestion please?> Carol > > >>>> Once I started the B.E., I switched to almost all STANDARD PROCESS vitamins >> since they're natural, not synthetic, good quality, etc. I take CATALYN >> along with some for my liver congestion.

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Thanks Elan, you are as always, full of info.and ideas!!! A regular

physician told me my liver function was OK and a somewhat recent

sonagram did not show any gall stones. What I meant when I said I had

not done any flushes to any uncomfortable degree, I meant I did not do

any harsh flushes that would make you sick. I have taken filter and

flush tablets over the years and ate tons of coconut oil. I also do

fresh lemons. I joined this group because arthritis is starting to set

into my little fingers and my right foot is in a lot of pain frequently.

Also my mother has serious osteoarthritis and is on heavy pain meds. for

this. Her toes are all deformed and her hip pains so she can harldy

sleep. So thought I would see what I could learn about arthritis that I

might not already know. My humble opinion is that the entire family

on my mothers side, (of 12 children, 4 have died of cancer and 2 had

stones disease) was born with a stubborn generational candida that is

the cause of the cancers, stones disease and arthritis. I am pretty

sure I am correct about this as every family member I have checked (even

my daughter and her children) interestingly all show a lot of candida on

the tongue. There seems to be no getting rid of it.

Steph

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Hi Steph,

Okay, so what do you mean by harsh flushes that make you sick?

Warmly,

Rose

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Subject: Re: liver congestion

Thanks Elan, you are as always, full of info.and ideas!!! A regular

physician told me my liver function was OK and a somewhat recent

sonagram did not show any gall stones. What I meant when I said I had

not done any flushes to any uncomfortable degree, I meant I did not do

any harsh flushes that would make you sick. I have taken filter and

flush tablets over the years and ate tons of coconut oil. I also do

fresh lemons. I joined this group because arthritis is starting to set

into my little fingers and my right foot is in a lot of pain frequently.

Also my mother has serious osteoarthritis and is on heavy pain meds. for

this. Her toes are all deformed and her hip pains so she can harldy

sleep. So thought I would see what I could learn about arthritis that I

might not already know. My humble opinion is that the entire family

on my mothers side, (of 12 children, 4 have died of cancer and 2 had

stones disease) was born with a stubborn generational candida that is

the cause of the cancers, stones disease and arthritis. I am pretty

sure I am correct about this as every family member I have checked (even

my daughter and her children) interestingly all show a lot of candida on

the tongue. There seems to be no getting rid of it.

Steph

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Grease, including lots of olive oil makes me vehimently sick with racing

heart and vomiting. Flushes require lots of olive oil. In small

amounts I am OK with it but not the amount required for a flush.

Steph

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Steph,

What kind of doctor told you your liver function was okay, and how does he know?

When I went to the dr for gall bladder problems, they never said anything about

my liver function, but now I know it was horrible. Sometimes their standards

aren't high enough or they don't know what they're looking at. I also did not

have gall stones, but a completely unfunctioning gall bladder.

Since then, I have tried numerous things. Most applicable to your case, I

started having gall bladder pains after drinking one weekend so I decided to do

my own detox. I ate no food and only drank green tea, detox tea, and acv/honey

for two days. By the end of the detox I got a fever and started to get UTI

symptoms which quickly went away with cranberry supplements. But the result was

more than I could ask for. After only two days, the arthritis symptoms I'd been

battling for 3 years were completely, 100% gone. I have slowly figured out it is

not disease that causes arthritis, but diet. If I eat very little wheat

products, I do much better. I have also read that poor liver function can lead

to arthritis, and it would make sense since so many people out there have

clogged up livers and so many people have arthritis. I would definitely check

the diet for foods that you might not tolerate well, and also check out the book

Eat Right 4 Your Metabolic Type- it might have some insight for you as well.

HTH!

Evie

>

>

> Thanks Elan, you are as always, full of info.and ideas!!! A regular

> physician told me my liver function was OK and a somewhat recent

> sonagram did not show any gall stones. What I meant when I said I had

> not done any flushes to any uncomfortable degree, I meant I did not do

> any harsh flushes that would make you sick. I have taken filter and

> flush tablets over the years and ate tons of coconut oil. I also do

> fresh lemons. I joined this group because arthritis is starting to set

> into my little fingers and my right foot is in a lot of pain frequently.

> Also my mother has serious osteoarthritis and is on heavy pain meds. for

> this. Her toes are all deformed and her hip pains so she can harldy

> sleep. So thought I would see what I could learn about arthritis that I

> might not already know. My humble opinion is that the entire family

> on my mothers side, (of 12 children, 4 have died of cancer and 2 had

> stones disease) was born with a stubborn generational candida that is

> the cause of the cancers, stones disease and arthritis. I am pretty

> sure I am correct about this as every family member I have checked (even

> my daughter and her children) interestingly all show a lot of candida on

> the tongue. There seems to be no getting rid of it.

>

> Steph

>

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ahhhhhhhhh !

There's the rub !

You won't HAVE TO take any more olive oil, in the near term, 'cause what

ails you requires OTHER strategies.

Dr. Dan

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>

>

> Grease, including lots of olive oil makes me vehimently sick with racing

> heart and vomiting. Flushes require lots of olive oil. In small

> amounts I am OK with it but not the amount required for a flush.

>

> Steph

>

>

>

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Steph - possibly in your head regarding olive oil....

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>

>

> Grease, including lots of olive oil makes me vehimently sick with racing

> heart and vomiting. Flushes require lots of olive oil. In small

> amounts I am OK with it but not the amount required for a flush.

>

> Steph

>

>

>

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By conventional standards you may be eating " right " but what I've learned

through trial and error and doing lots of reading is that some people NEED meat

as well as dairy in order to be healthy. There is not one right diet for

everyone, which is what conventional medicine pushes: low fat, low carb, etc.

Some people need more carbs than others, some people need more fats than others.

So while you are eating " right " you could be eating the wrong foods for your

body. I had chronic fatigue for about 3 years so I totally know what it's like

to feel crappy for no good reason. And eventually, I listened to my body and

ended up eating the foods that it needed which helped improve my shot adrenals-

which was part of the problem. And dairy is a HUGE part of that. Daily I drink

raw milk, eat raw yogurt, two scoops of ice cream...and I weigh 115. My

cholesterol is in the low 100's.

Weight gain is another symptom of liver problems. When my liver needs " help " I

gain weight in my gut as well as notice more blood sugar crashes. And don't

forget that toxins from your environment get into your body and not just from

food! I think if you start looking at foods that YOU should eat you might start

feeling better. The Eat Right 4 Your Metabolic Type is a good place to start.

(Also, do you have any amalgam fillings?)

Evie

>

>

> Evie, you are mostly correct. I don't put much faith in medical Drs.

> either. But I have had alternative liver checks as well and it was OK

> there too. I eat right all the time. I have celiacs so I NEVER touch

> wheat and now it seems I can't do beans either. I don't eat meat,

> diary, sugar, I don't smoke or don't drink and never did. No flaws in

> my diet at all, yet I stay horribly sick. Maybe I am eating too much

> food, I did put on 20 lbs. which is NOT Good. All my blood work showed

> no deficencies for a change too.

> It would be GOOD for me to do the tea diet, I may try that soon. Also

> going to do a colon cleanse soon as my parasite cleanse gets here in the

> mail. Also going to ease up to a liver flush after that.

> Have already done the parasite zapping with my zapper, but that has not

> helped either.

>

> Steph

>

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There is a link about Thrush treatment.

http://www.candida-yeast.com/U_20882_Oral_Yeast_Infection_Candidiasis__Moniliasi\

s__Thrush.asp

> >

> >

> > Thanks Elan, you are as always, full of info.and ideas!!! A regular

> > physician told me my liver function was OK and a somewhat recent

> > sonagram did not show any gall stones. What I meant when I said I had

> > not done any flushes to any uncomfortable degree, I meant I did not do

> > any harsh flushes that would make you sick. I have taken filter and

> > flush tablets over the years and ate tons of coconut oil. I also do

> > fresh lemons. I joined this group because arthritis is starting to set

> > into my little fingers and my right foot is in a lot of pain frequently.

> > Also my mother has serious osteoarthritis and is on heavy pain meds. for

> > this. Her toes are all deformed and her hip pains so she can harldy

> > sleep. So thought I would see what I could learn about arthritis that I

> > might not already know. My humble opinion is that the entire family

> > on my mothers side, (of 12 children, 4 have died of cancer and 2 had

> > stones disease) was born with a stubborn generational candida that is

> > the cause of the cancers, stones disease and arthritis. I am pretty

> > sure I am correct about this as every family member I have checked (even

> > my daughter and her children) interestingly all show a lot of candida on

> > the tongue. There seems to be no getting rid of it.

> >

> > Steph

> >

>

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Evie, can you elaborate on the connection between adrenal glands and dairy? I

don't consume dairy due to my dairy allergy issues. I also have some adrenal

fatigue which I have attributed to stress. But perhaps, there is a connection

between the diary-free diet and the adrenal fatigue? Your thoughts are

appreciated.

> >

> >

> > Evie, you are mostly correct. I don't put much faith in medical Drs.

> > either. But I have had alternative liver checks as well and it was OK

> > there too. I eat right all the time. I have celiacs so I NEVER touch

> > wheat and now it seems I can't do beans either. I don't eat meat,

> > diary, sugar, I don't smoke or don't drink and never did. No flaws in

> > my diet at all, yet I stay horribly sick. Maybe I am eating too much

> > food, I did put on 20 lbs. which is NOT Good. All my blood work showed

> > no deficencies for a change too.

> > It would be GOOD for me to do the tea diet, I may try that soon. Also

> > going to do a colon cleanse soon as my parasite cleanse gets here in the

> > mail. Also going to ease up to a liver flush after that.

> > Have already done the parasite zapping with my zapper, but that has not

> > helped either.

> >

> > Steph

> >

>

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>

> At least for some people (like myself) they are allergic to dairy so

> that is always out.

Have you ever tried any raw, unhomogenized dairy products from non-factory

farmed, grass fed animals? How about fermented foods made from grass fed raw

milk like kefir?

>Since chronic intestinal fungus puts you at higher

> risk for cancer, meat is out. It is proven to be cancer causing.

Have you ever looked into the work of Dr. Weston A. Price, Sally Fallon or

Enig?

http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm

It's important to bear in mind that meat products that come from factory farmed

animals that are unnaturally and cruelly confined, fed genetically modified,

pesticide and herbicide laced soy, corn, cottonseed and other inappropriate

foods, and repeatedly dosed with antibiotics and synthetic hormones, are

ENTIRELY different qualitatively than those that come from animals that are

raised humanely, allowed to move about freely and graze on chemical-free

pastures of green grass, and never given any drugs or hormones.

People have been eating meat and unpasteurized dairy products from naturally

raised animals for eons. But it's only in the past 100 years or so, since the

beginning of the industrialization and chemicalization of our food supply, that

the incidence of cancer has grown to become the epidemic it is today.

So although you say meat has been proven to cause cancer, I think it's really

important to put such a statement into perspective, and perhaps not throw the

baby out with the bathwater.

>Meat

> is also very hard to digest and it is an acid forming food.

I'm not so certain about what evidence there is to support the idea that meat is

hard to digest, although this is a common perception among those who have chosen

not to eat it.

And as for certain foods being acid forming, this may be so, and yet there are

plenty of other foods that can be eaten which are alkalizing to help balance

things out.

In the end good health really begins with being well nourished, as high quality

nutrition is the foundation upon which the body is able to maintain balance and

homeostasis within. And it's only when that inner equilibrium is knocked out of

kilter that the body's innate ability to heal and regenerate itself becomes

compromised, leaving us vulnerable to the onset of chronic degenerative disease.

Elan

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Yeah...what Elan said...lol

> >

> >

> > At least for some people (like myself) they are allergic to dairy so

> > that is always out.

>

>

>

> Have you ever tried any raw, unhomogenized dairy products from non-factory

farmed, grass fed animals? How about fermented foods made from grass fed raw

milk like kefir?

>

>

>

>

>

> >Since chronic intestinal fungus puts you at higher

> > risk for cancer, meat is out. It is proven to be cancer causing.

>

>

>

>

> Have you ever looked into the work of Dr. Weston A. Price, Sally Fallon or

Enig?

>

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/splash_2.htm

>

>

> It's important to bear in mind that meat products that come from factory

farmed animals that are unnaturally and cruelly confined, fed genetically

modified, pesticide and herbicide laced soy, corn, cottonseed and other

inappropriate foods, and repeatedly dosed with antibiotics and synthetic

hormones, are ENTIRELY different qualitatively than those that come from animals

that are raised humanely, allowed to move about freely and graze on

chemical-free pastures of green grass, and never given any drugs or hormones.

>

> People have been eating meat and unpasteurized dairy products from naturally

raised animals for eons. But it's only in the past 100 years or so, since the

beginning of the industrialization and chemicalization of our food supply, that

the incidence of cancer has grown to become the epidemic it is today.

>

> So although you say meat has been proven to cause cancer, I think it's really

important to put such a statement into perspective, and perhaps not throw the

baby out with the bathwater.

>

>

>

> >Meat

> > is also very hard to digest and it is an acid forming food.

>

>

>

> I'm not so certain about what evidence there is to support the idea that meat

is hard to digest, although this is a common perception among those who have

chosen not to eat it.

>

> And as for certain foods being acid forming, this may be so, and yet there are

plenty of other foods that can be eaten which are alkalizing to help balance

things out.

>

> In the end good health really begins with being well nourished, as high

quality nutrition is the foundation upon which the body is able to maintain

balance and homeostasis within. And it's only when that inner equilibrium is

knocked out of kilter that the body's innate ability to heal and regenerate

itself becomes compromised, leaving us vulnerable to the onset of chronic

degenerative disease.

>

>

>

> Elan

>

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I read about it in the book " Eat Right 4 Your Metabolic Type " and can't remember

how it works. Basically for people who have shot adrenals, they are the foods

recommended to improve this condition. High cholesterol foods mainly and low

potassium. He also pushes oregano oil and something else I can't remember right

now. The author is Dr. Cass Ingram and he has written many books. With your

dairy allergy perhaps you can increase your red meat, another suggestion...of

course it will need to be the good meat :o) Oh yeah...he also says that the

person with this body type, you should use a lot of salt. I'm going to check the

book out again when I have more time.

Evie

>

> Evie, can you elaborate on the connection between adrenal glands and dairy? I

don't consume dairy due to my dairy allergy issues. I also have some adrenal

fatigue which I have attributed to stress. But perhaps, there is a connection

between the diary-free diet and the adrenal fatigue? Your thoughts are

appreciated.

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You are using conventional " wisdom " to dictate a healthy diet, which is irony at

its best! Perhaps meat that has been purchased at your local grocery, which was

likely used for the studies you put your faith in, have been proven to cause

cancer. But that is an entirely different meat than what is suggested by anyone

who suggests meat for a healthy diet. Meat is not hard to digest, either. It

digests more slowly, but when you combine the right foods with it, digestion is

not hindered at all. Nor does it " back you up " as most vegetarians insist.

Evie

>

>

> At least for some people (like myself) they are allergic to dairy so

> that is always out. Since chronic intestinal fungus puts you at higher

> risk for cancer, meat is out. It is proven to be cancer causing. Meat

> is also very hard to digest and it is an acid forming food. There

> are MANY other foods and probiotics to choose from that are better with

> less risk.

>

> Steph

>

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