Re: Ursodiol or MTBE for gallstones

May 25, 2009

A couple of the key elements for your gallbladder problems, unless of

course it is diseased, are diet and exercise which help the herbs

better do their job and are not given the attention and respect they

deserve.

You should be able to control the pain with AF Beta tablets from

Standard Process and a regimen of milk thistle and dandelion caps-

make sure they are ORGANIC- especially the dandelion. If pain subsides

you can take the AF tabs as needed- recommend you continue the milk

thistle. There is also an herb Chancha Piedra that Dave has posted

Once under control you can work your way into Huda s flush using

epsom salts

Good luck

FB

PS

here is a post from Dave Shelden on the CP

>> Chancha piedra is Phyllanthus nururi. Chancha piedra being the name

>> of which it is known in South and Central America (nickname

>> breakstone). It is a staple herb in Ayurveda and Unani Tib as well,

>> being known in Sanskrit as bhumy amalaki. I could wax positively

>> for hours on this herb. This is one of the finest " liver " herbs on

>> the planet. A couple of stand out qualities: Along with bupleurum

>> falcatum (hare's ear, thoroughwax) both herbs have been shown to

>> increase the bodies production of interferon. Making them both

>> spectacular antivirals as well for retroviruses such as hep C for

>> instance. It is however critical not to take them if on interferon

>> therapy for a form of interferon induced pneumonia can occur

>> (better to get of the interferon... nasty, nasty stuff. Phenomenal

>> when you make it, destructive when they add it exogenously).

>> Probably one of the most important aspects of phylanthus is that it

>> is not only liver detoxifying and liver protective but is also know

>> in ayurveda as liver regenerative. Keep in mind that the liver is

>> the most regenerative organ in the body outside of hair, skin

>> (including the lining of the digestive tract), and nails. Cool huh?

>>

>> The miracle is that we are still living and breathing after all we

>> have done to ourselves. These and other liver herbs such as coptis,

>> rhubarb, golden coin grass (lysmatchia), etc. help to dissolve

>> stones by increasing the production of bile thereby thinning out

>> the sludge and eating away at the conglomerations. Other herbs

>> contain terpene compounds which are volatile oils that help to

>> break up and disperse masses. Boldo, peppermint, oregano, etc.

>> Point being; give it the double whammy if you like. And then there

>> are either the bile acids themselves or acids that have a similar

>> effect such as acetic (vinegar) and malic (apples and other members

>> of the malus family). Keep in mind that bile is composed mainly of

>> water (the more the merrier by the way), bile salts (bile acids

>> bonded to minerals), cholesterol, lecithin (an essential

>> emulsifier), and bilirubin (dead red blood cells, or technically

>> the pigment thereof). So the secret to the dissolution of the

>> stones is the balance of the above constituents. Water, lecithin,

>> bile acids, being dissolving. Extra bile being dissolving. The

>> terpenes being dissolving.

>>

>> Also keep in mind that dissolving gallstones is just one part of

>> the issue. Other parts may include but are not all inclusive such

>> as: How did you get them in the first place? Diet, lifestyle,

>> hormonal dysfunction (thyroid), etc. Liver dysfunctions; Drinking

>> in excess, hep, other illnesses such as viral or bacterial. As most

>> have found out in this group: This is the beginning not the end. If

>> one thinks that they can just do a flush, release their stones, and

>> go on living the same way they have, they may be in for a very

>> unhappy surprise. I am amazed at the way that some people on this

>> group have totally restructured their lifestyle in a possitive way

>> and embarked on a whole new way of living and in some cases

>> learning...

>>

>> Always, in all ways,

>>

>> -Dave

On May 25, 2009, at 12:29 PM, kcotkova wrote:

>

> Hi

> I have multiple gallstones. Dr. recommended (of course) removal of

> gallbladder, which I refuse. My 3 questions are:

>

> 1) did anyone try to dissolve it with Ursodil (medical drug)?

> 2) I have read about dissolving with MTBE solution injected directly

> into gallbladder but this was around 5 years ago as an

> " experimental " treatment and now I can't find any MD who still does it

> 3) there is this liver flush and natural remedies like black raddish

> juice, chinese herbs etc. I believe it may help (and am already

> taking some supplements my naturopath has given me). But does anyone

> has a proof like before and after ultrasounds which showed the

> gallstones gone?

>

> Thank you very much,

> Karolina

>

May 25, 2009

Hi ,

What do you mean by " diseased " and how do you know if gall bladder is diseased.

Are there tests that someone like me should have done. I have had one major

gall bladder attack and just the other day I had a minor attack...Gall bladder

area hurt and tired and I know it's because I went off my diet only a little. I

have no room for error in my diet. I instantly suffer for it. I do plan on

have an ultrasound but my main question is what tests should I have done to know

the condition of my gall bladder. i also have no health insurance right now and

limited funds...argh...

Rose

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