Re: A new member's introduction and question

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Ginger is the most anti nausea substance know. More effective than any

pharmaceutical. There are these sticky ginger candies that you can get at any

oriental grocery. sucking on them helps tremendously. -Dave

A new member's introduction and question

I'm a nineteen-year-old boy who got into flushing through the Acne No More

program. I've been experimenting with various diets and methods for curing acne,

but far and away the most effective has been flushing.

What I do is this: ten days of supplementation (malic acid, maca root etc.)

with a clean diet (no processed foods etc. which I do all the time anyway)

followed by three days of juice fasting (though recently, because I can't live

off of cucumber juice and fruit juice exacerbates the acne, I did a

chicken-broth fast) culminating in a glorious couple days of flushing. I eat a

raw vegetable breakfast and lunch, eat nothing after 1:00 (because I want to get

to bed earlier than the normal program specifies) except for lots of detox tea,

then I start taking doses of salt. Usually I do epsom salts, but I became scared

of their industrial-strength taste and packaging so I switched to a high quality

sea salt. After a couple doses of that at intervals I take 1/2 cup of olive oil

with the juice of three lemons (organic ones too and most delicious) then lie

down immediately with my head up and try to go to sleep. Next day I take a

couple more doses of salts at intervals and start eating fruits and vegetables a

couple hours after my last dose.

I've done this three (maybe four) times now. The first two times I followed

the rules exactly: cucumber juice fast, epsom salts, the whole deal. The second

time I did clear out a lot of bile crystals and this last time I cleared out a

whole bunch of gall bladder stones (but not crystals to speak of). However,

along with the increase of success I have had an increasingly serious problem

holding down my doses. I had pretty bad nausia after taking my olive oil the

previous time, and this last time (just last night actually) I woke up in the

middle of the night and starting chucking up what little was left in me. This

morning, I entirely lost every bit of my final salt dosage, and let me tell you,

I am NOT looking forward to doing that again. Probably the only reason I held

down my olive oil for so long was because I sucked liberally on a quart of iced

peppermint tea, but that really only staved it off. Due to the three day fast I

can assure you there was nothing, I mean nothing, in my tracts to block the

passage of the stones, and they come completely painlessly and without effort.

So, to get to the point, I got on the internet today to see if there is some

solution to my vomiting and nausia, and I found this group! I'm desperately

hoping there is some solution to this problem because it seems to get worse with

every flush I do, and yet I clearly see that it does me a fantastic amount of

good. The only thing I could be doing that might benefit would be enemas, but,

whatever they say, there is no way on earth I am going to rape myself with a

water tube under any circumstances and for any reason. Is there anything you

guys can suggest?

Thank you very much for reading,

Dietrich

p.s. Each of my flushes has been separated by at least a month of resting on a

clean diet, so I don't think my increasing nausia is caused by too frequent

flushing.

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Hi ,

Welcome to the group.

Good for you for discovering the amazing benefits of liver flushes at such a

young age! It's great to hear how beneficial they've been for you.

I second what Dave said about ginger being the best herb for any kind of stomach

upset or nausea. You can eat candied ginger or even make a strong tea out of it

if you prefer.

Also, I wanted to reassure you that as long as the package of epsom salt you're

using says it can be taken internally as a laxative, (and as long as you don't

have any kind of kidney disease) it's perfectly safe to ingest during a flush.

IMO the epsom salt is really a very important part of the protocol that

shouldn't be left out. I know it tastes vile and bitter but that's just how it

is. I don't like it either, but I take it because it's an integral part of the

flush. You can always squeeze a bit of lemon, grapefruit or apple juice into it

to mask the bitterness, and some people say refrigerating it so it's cold makes

it easier to drink too.

Epsom salt is magnesium sulfate, and it's the magnesium it contains that's the

critical ingredient. Magnesium helps to relax and dilate the biliary ducts, and

it's this relaxation effect that magnesium has on smooth muscle which helps to

expedite the passage of stones and sludge through the ducts easily and

painlessly, and into the intestines for elimination. Replacing the espom salt

with sea salt really serves no purpose in this respect, since the amount of

magnesium sea salt contains is minuscule compared to the amount contained in

epsom salt.

Drinking dissolved epsom salt also acts as a powerful laxative, creating lots of

very loose stools which expedite the passage of gallstones and other expelled

gunk out of the bowel quickly. This is important because the longer any passed

gallstones hang around inside the digestive tract, the more time the body has to

begin digesting and reabsorbing them, which can not only make us feel sick, but

also basically defeats the whole purpose of doing a flush in the first place.

Here's a link to an article with some good information on the effects magnesium

sulfate has on the body when used as part of a liver flush:

http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=985355

Maybe someday you'll reconsider taking an enema. Although it's definitely kind

of a strange idea to wrap your head around, I can tell you from personal

experience that once you get over yourself, doing an enema can actually be quite

a pleasant and very refreshing experience. And doing one or two as part of a

liver flushing protocol can really do a lot to enhance the overall cleansing

effect. But your feelings are understandable...

Elan

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program. I've been experimenting with various diets and methods for curing acne,

but far and away the most effective has been flushing.

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This is a real exciting thing to see a young man do this.

Now the reason for throwing up may be you are not laying on the right

side. I try to stay on my right side all night.

I also add to my mix 1/2 c. tomato juice. This seems to help with dose

going down and staying down. I learned this several years ago and it

works.

Try this and see if it is not better.

Also do some reflexology on the meridian of the GB and liver and you

will be amazed how much better you can eliminate the stones.

--- In gallstones , " dcdietrich90 " <dcdietrich90@...>

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> I'm a nineteen-year-old boy who got into flushing through the Acne No

More program. I've been experimenting with various diets and methods for

curing acne, but far and away the most effective has been flushing.

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> What I do is this: ten days of supplementation (malic acid, maca root

etc.) with a clean diet (no processed foods etc. which I do all the time

anyway) followed by three days of juice fasting (though recently,

because I can't live off of cucumber juice and fruit juice exacerbates

the acne, I did a chicken-broth fast) culminating in a glorious couple

days of flushing. I eat a raw vegetable breakfast and lunch, eat nothing

after 1:00 (because I want to get to bed earlier than the normal program

specifies) except for lots of detox tea, then I start taking doses of

salt. Usually I do epsom salts, but I became scared of their

industrial-strength taste and packaging so I switched to a high quality

sea salt. After a couple doses of that at intervals I take 1/2 cup of

olive oil with the juice of three lemons (organic ones too and most

delicious) then lie down immediately with my head up and try to go to

sleep. Next day I take a couple more doses of salts at intervals and

start eating fruits and vegetables a couple hours after my last dose.

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followed the rules exactly: cucumber juice fast, epsom salts, the whole

deal. The second time I did clear out a lot of bile crystals and this

last time I cleared out a whole bunch of gall bladder stones (but not

crystals to speak of). However, along with the increase of success I

have had an increasingly serious problem holding down my doses. I had

pretty bad nausia after taking my olive oil the previous time, and this

last time (just last night actually) I woke up in the middle of the

night and starting chucking up what little was left in me. This morning,

I entirely lost every bit of my final salt dosage, and let me tell you,

I am NOT looking forward to doing that again. Probably the only reason I

held down my olive oil for so long was because I sucked liberally on a

quart of iced peppermint tea, but that really only staved it off. Due to

the three day fast I can assure you there was nothing, I mean nothing,

in my tracts to block the passage of the stones, and they come

completely painlessly and without effort.

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> So, to get to the point, I got on the internet today to see if there

is some solution to my vomiting and nausia, and I found this group! I'm

desperately hoping there is some solution to this problem because it

seems to get worse with every flush I do, and yet I clearly see that it

does me a fantastic amount of good. The only thing I could be doing that

might benefit would be enemas, but, whatever they say, there is no way

on earth I am going to rape myself with a water tube under any

circumstances and for any reason. Is there anything you guys can

suggest?

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> Thank you very much for reading,

> Dietrich

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resting on a clean diet, so I don't think my increasing nausia is caused

by too frequent flushing.

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> Now the reason for throwing up may be you are not laying on the right

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> I also add to my mix 1/2 c. tomato juice. This seems to help with dose

> going down and staying down. I learned this several years ago and it

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> Try this and see if it is not better.

> Also do some reflexology on the meridian of the GB and liver and you

> will be amazed how much better you can eliminate the stones.

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That's probably it. I've been lying on my left side. Perhaps I've been reading

the directions wrong three times in a row, or perhaps the directions have been

wrong three times in row... either way, this is a very good tip! Thank you!

Also, I will definitely have to use some ginger tea or some ginger/peppermint

tea.

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If I lie on my left side I vomit. Made that mistake once it will never happen

again. The entire contents of the flush entered my stomach and up it came.

I stay on my right side for at least 2 hours after drinking the flush stuff then

I move to my back as its too uncomfortable to sleep on my right side all night.

Have a good night every1

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> > Now the reason for throwing up may be you are not laying on the right

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> > Try this and see if it is not better.

> > Also do some reflexology on the meridian of the GB and liver and you

> > will be amazed how much better you can eliminate the stones.

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> That's probably it. I've been lying on my left side. Perhaps I've been reading

the directions wrong three times in a row, or perhaps the directions have been

wrong three times in row... either way, this is a very good tip! Thank you!

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> Also, I will definitely have to use some ginger tea or some ginger/peppermint

tea.

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[Guest guest]

My instructions were: suck the muck, get down on your back asap with the head up

and don't move for at least thirty minutes, then try to sleep on the left side

with the right arm pulled up to the chest.

The reason I probably did so well the first time was that I really didn't pass

anything to speak of. I got plenty sick the second time. This third time I just

got desperate...

Thanks to you all so much!

[Guest guest]

I believe that Hulda does advocate the right side.

But while I don't remember the source (not Hulda), I remember reading something

about right side versus left side. Essentially, the idea is that if you suspect

colesteral stones, you should lay on your right side as they float. This will

position them closer to the opening. If you suspect calcium stones (those

diagnosed with an untrasound), you should lay on your left side. Don't know how

valid this approach is.

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In doing the flushes with the olive oil and lemon, You most definitely

have to lay on the right side so the mix empties from the stomach into

the liver and up into the GB. IF you lay on the left side then it is

going to come back up and you dont want that.

The stomach empties to the right, not left. This is the reason.

This goes for whether or not it is for the GB or kidney stones. The oil

has to empty to the right side.

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The part that got me was that the olive oil will actually drain into your liver?

I find this hard to believe.

I thought that what actually happens is that your body senses the high fat

content in you stomach from the olive oil. This causes the GB to contract more

than normal expelling the contents including stones and other debris. I did not

think that it had anything to do with the olive oil actually entering the liver

or GB.

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[Guest guest]

When you do a GB flush, you need to pull the knees up to the chest to

force the oil mix out of the stomach into the liver area.

I found this web site with info on how this all works. I will paste some

of it here and you can read the rest on the site.

Your Digestive System and How It Works

The digestive system is made up of the digestive tract—a series of

hollow organs joined in a long, twisting tube from the mouth to the

anus—and other organs that help the body break down and absorb food

(see figure).

Organs that make up the digestive tract are the mouth, esophagus,

stomach, small intestine, large intestine—also called the

colon—rectum, and anus. Inside these hollow organs is a lining

called the mucosa. In the mouth, stomach, and small intestine, the

mucosa contains tiny glands that produce juices to help digest food. The

digestive tract also contains a layer of smooth muscle that helps break

down food and move it along the tract.

Two " solid " digestive organs, the liver and the pancreas,

produce digestive juices that reach the intestine through small tubes

called ducts. The gallbladder stores the liver's digestive juices

until they are needed in the intestine. Parts of the nervous and

circulatory systems also play major roles in the digestive system.

[Top <http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/yrdd/#top> ]

Why is digestion important?

When you eat foods—such as bread, meat, and vegetables—they are

not in a form that the body can use as nourishment. Food and drink must

be changed into smaller molecules of nutrients before they can be

absorbed into the blood and carried to cells throughout the body.

Digestion is the process by which food and drink are broken down into

their smallest parts so the body can use them to build and nourish cells

and to provide energy.

[Top <http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/yrdd/#top> ]

How is food digested?

Digestion involves mixing food with digestive juices, moving it through

the digestive tract, and breaking down large molecules of food into

smaller molecules. Digestion begins in the mouth, when you chew and

swallow, and is completed in the small intestine.

Movement of Food Through the System

The large, hollow organs of the digestive tract contain a layer of

muscle that enables their walls to move. The movement of organ walls can

propel food and liquid through the system and also can mix the contents

within each organ. Food moves from one organ to the next through muscle

action called peristalsis. Peristalsis looks like an ocean wave

traveling through the muscle. The muscle of the organ contracts to

create a narrowing and then propels the narrowed portion slowly down the

length of the organ. These waves of narrowing push the food and fluid in

front of them through each hollow organ.

The first major muscle movement occurs when food or liquid is swallowed.

Although you are able to start swallowing by choice, once the swallow

begins, it becomes involuntary and proceeds under the control of the

nerves.

Swallowed food is pushed into the esophagus, which connects the throat

above with the stomach below. At the junction of the esophagus and

stomach, there is a ringlike muscle, called the lower esophageal

sphincter, closing the passage between the two organs. As food

approaches the closed sphincter, the sphincter relaxes and allows the

food to pass through to the stomach.

The stomach has three mechanical tasks. First, it stores the swallowed

food and liquid. To do this, the muscle of the upper part of the stomach

relaxes to accept large volumes of swallowed material. The second job is

to mix up the food, liquid, and digestive juice produced by the stomach.

The lower part of the stomach mixes these materials by its muscle

action. The third task of the stomach is to empty its contents slowly

into the small intestine.

Several factors affect emptying of the stomach, including the kind of

food and the degree of muscle action of the emptying stomach and the

small intestine. Carbohydrates, for example, spend the least amount of

time in the stomach, while protein stays in the stomach longer, and fats

the longest. As the food dissolves into the juices from the pancreas,

liver, and intestine, the contents of the intestine are mixed and pushed

forward to allow further digestion.

Finally, the digested nutrients are absorbed through the intestinal

walls and transported throughout the body. The waste products of this

process include undigested parts of the food, known as fiber, and older

cells that have been shed from the mucosa. These materials are pushed

into the colon, where they remain until the feces are expelled by a

bowel movement.

Production of Digestive Juices

The digestive glands that act first are in the mouth—the salivary

glands. Saliva produced by these glands contains an enzyme that begins

to digest the starch from food into smaller molecules. An enzyme is a

substance that speeds up chemical reactions in the body.

The next set of digestive glands is in the stomach lining. They produce

stomach acid and an enzyme that digests protein. A thick mucus layer

coats the mucosa and helps keep the acidic digestive juice from

dissolving the tissue of the stomach itself. In most people, the stomach

mucosa is able to resist the juice, although food and other tissues of

the body cannot.

After the stomach empties the food and juice mixture into the small

intestine, the juices of two other digestive organs mix with the food.

One of these organs, the pancreas, produces a juice that contains a wide

array of enzymes to break down the carbohydrate, fat, and protein in

food. Other enzymes that are active in the process come from glands in

the wall of the intestine.

The second organ, the liver, produces yet another digestive

juice—bile. Bile is stored between meals in the gallbladder. At

mealtime, it is squeezed out of the gallbladder, through the bile ducts,

and into the intestine to mix with the fat in food. The bile acids

dissolve fat into the watery contents of the intestine, much like

detergents that dissolve grease from a frying pan. After fat is

dissolved, it is digested by enzymes from the pancreas and the lining of

the intestine.

Absorption and Transport of Nutrients

Most digested molecules of food, as well as water and minerals, are

absorbed through the small intestine. The mucosa of the small intestine

contains many folds that are covered with tiny fingerlike projections

called villi. In turn, the villi are covered with microscopic

projections called microvilli. These structures create a vast surface

area through which nutrients can be absorbed. Specialized cells allow

absorbed materials to cross the mucosa into the blood, where they are

carried off in the bloodstream to other parts of the body for storage or

further chemical change. This part of the process varies with different

types of nutrients.

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/yrdd/

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[Guest guest]

These are definitely NOT different " medical theories " . We are just trying to

get a consistant " understanding " of what transpires during a flush.

If someone comes along and says that breaking your toe results in a faulty

appendix, that is not a medical theory. That is just a lack of understanding.

An extreme example, but you get my point.

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[Guest guest]

Ok here is a web site info that explains it.

THE SIMPLE FLUSH

At bedtime, on an empty stomach, mix and drink one-half cup or more of

olive oil (about 4-6 oz.) with the same amount of grapefruit juice.

Don't sip -- chug it down. Go right to bed and lay on your right side

with your right knee tucked up as far as you can get it. The olive oil

will flow up the common bile duct into the liver and the gall bladder

and release gall stones that have been stuck there. The gall stones are

mostly semi- hardened bile, dark green in color, of sizes from tiny to a

half-inch in diameter or so -- sometimes called sludge. They can be

squished, and will melt if left at room temperature. If your liver and

gall bladder were congested with this sludge and had not been

functioning properly, the olive oil will squirt out of you the next

morning, undigested, and very likely will flush out any number of these

gall stones. The next time you do this flush, your liver and gall

bladder should be working quite a bit better, and the olive oil will be

digested into a semisolid substance looking somewhat like dumplings.

This occurrence demonstrates that the treatment was effective. Repeat

the flush, perhaps once a week on a Friday or Saturday night (when you

aren't planning to do anything the next morning), until no more green

gunk comes out.

http://www.fungusfocus.com/html/simple_liver_gall_bladder_fl.htm

you can read the rest of the story there

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> Would love to hear a description of the process whereby bringing the

knees to the chest or lying on the right side " forces the olive oil

mixture out of the stomach and into the liver area " . The only

connection between the liver and the alimentary canal is through the

common bile duct. The gallbladder is an " empty " sack, and draws ( like

a pipette) some of the bile (again, not only not all, but only a portion

of) up into itself where it is then concentrated for the purpose of the

emulsification of fats. This is one of and a very important aspect of

bile. Of course the other aspect is the elimination of metabolic and

potentially " toxic " environmental wastes that have been filtered out by

the liver. The gallbladder is not involved in this aspect and to the

contrary would rather not be subjected to any of it. It's sole (soul)

purpose is to concentrate and reserve a quantity of bile for when as

Fred said, fats are consumed and then it constricts to supply a quantity

of bile for the digestive process. The liver is not an " empty " organ.

It's purpose is not to draw oils up through the common bile duct. Fats

are essential for liver function but they must go through the digestive

and assimilative processes first. They are then delivered to the liver

through the bloodstream not the common bile duct. It is a one way deal.

Down and out. This system is not a drawing. It is a twisty twirly bag

of guts... This is like the description of releasing a gallbladder full

of " stones " and then having a bunch more drop down from the liver into

the gallbladder. Not. Look at the physiology. This would require the

" stones " being drawn up through the gallbladder bile duct from the

common duct. Not going to happen. There are definitely liver stones

and they can be expelled by the liver but would travel directly through

the common bile duct into the small intestine. They are not going to

take an extremely (damn near impossible) difficult field trip up the

gallbladder duct for the fun of it. If there is someone purporting the

below I would love to have it explained. Thanks, -Dave

> Re: A new member's introduction and question

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[Guest guest]

Most of the info in this is contrary to the recognized experts, Hulda and

s Moritz. Based on what I know, I would not follow this protocol. This

person may have been mixing a little happy juice in their olive oil when they

wrote this (lol). And if they have a questionable protocol, it is easy to see

why they have a questionable understanding of the physiology of this.

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> > Would love to hear a description of the process whereby bringing the

> knees to the chest or lying on the right side " forces the olive oil

> mixture out of the stomach and into the liver area " . The only

> connection between the liver and the alimentary canal is through the

> common bile duct. The gallbladder is an " empty " sack, and draws ( like

> a pipette) some of the bile (again, not only not all, but only a portion

> of) up into itself where it is then concentrated for the purpose of the

> emulsification of fats. This is one of and a very important aspect of

> bile. Of course the other aspect is the elimination of metabolic and

> potentially " toxic " environmental wastes that have been filtered out by

> the liver. The gallbladder is not involved in this aspect and to the

> contrary would rather not be subjected to any of it. It's sole (soul)

> purpose is to concentrate and reserve a quantity of bile for when as

> Fred said, fats are consumed and then it constricts to supply a quantity

> of bile for the digestive process. The liver is not an " empty " organ.

> It's purpose is not to draw oils up through the common bile duct. Fats

> are essential for liver function but they must go through the digestive

> and assimilative processes first. They are then delivered to the liver

> through the bloodstream not the common bile duct. It is a one way deal.

> Down and out. This system is not a drawing. It is a twisty twirly bag

> of guts... This is like the description of releasing a gallbladder full

> of " stones " and then having a bunch more drop down from the liver into

> the gallbladder. Not. Look at the physiology. This would require the

> " stones " being drawn up through the gallbladder bile duct from the

> common duct. Not going to happen. There are definitely liver stones

> and they can be expelled by the liver but would travel directly through

> the common bile duct into the small intestine. They are not going to

> take an extremely (damn near impossible) difficult field trip up the

> gallbladder duct for the fun of it. If there is someone purporting the

> below I would love to have it explained. Thanks, -Dave

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> > Re: A new member's introduction and question

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[Guest guest]

You are right folks,

I was only telling what I have always been told and I have done lots and

lots of GB cleanses. I was a very sick lady at one time and almost died

but with the help of family and friends I got well. I want to say that

the use of colonics is a major help in all these things too.

I know the Epsom salt is mainly for the clearing of the bowels. I think

it is the best for this purpose. Not something to be used regularly but

with a GB cleanse.

We are all here to learn from one another. I am not closed minded.

Thank you for the correct information Elan and Dave.

Blessings,

> >

> > Would love to hear a description of the process whereby bringing

the

> knees to the chest or lying on the right side " forces the olive oil

> mixture out of the stomach and into the liver area " . The only

> connection between the liver and the alimentary canal is through the

> common bile duct. The gallbladder is an " empty " sack, and draws (

like

> a pipette) some of the bile (again, not only not all, but only a

portion

> of) up into itself where it is then concentrated for the purpose of

the

> emulsification of fats. This is one of and a very important aspect

of

> bile. Of course the other aspect is the elimination of metabolic and

> potentially " toxic " environmental wastes that have been filtered out

by

> the liver. The gallbladder is not involved in this aspect and to the

> contrary would rather not be subjected to any of it. It's sole

(soul)

> purpose is to concentrate and reserve a quantity of bile for when as

> Fred said, fats are consumed and then it constricts to supply a

quantity

> of bile for the digestive process. The liver is not an " empty "

organ.

> It's purpose is not to draw oils up through the common bile duct.

Fats

> are essential for liver function but they must go through the

digestive

> and assimilative processes first. They are then delivered to the

liver

> through the bloodstream not the common bile duct. It is a one way

deal.

> Down and out. This system is not a drawing. It is a twisty twirly

bag

> of guts... This is like the description of releasing a gallbladder

full

> of " stones " and then having a bunch more drop down from the liver

into

> the gallbladder. Not. Look at the physiology. This would require the

> " stones " being drawn up through the gallbladder bile duct from the

> common duct. Not going to happen. There are definitely liver stones

> and they can be expelled by the liver but would travel directly

through

> the common bile duct into the small intestine. They are not going to

> take an extremely (damn near impossible) difficult field trip up the

> gallbladder duct for the fun of it. If there is someone purporting

the

> below I would love to have it explained. Thanks, -Dave

>

> > Re: A new member's introduction and question

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[Guest guest]

sorry if this is a second time. has not shown up in my inbox so do not know if

it went through. in case it did not... -D

Re: A new member's introduction and question

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[Guest guest]

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> the epsom salt in the liver cleanse is not for cleaning the bowels,

> but for opening up the bile ducts to release the stones

> colon cleansing should always be done before and after the liver cleanse

> Judy Kemecsei

> Cleansing Coach

> & Massage Therapist

> 818-789-1698

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Hi Judy,

No doubt taking the 4 doses of epsom salt during a flush does cause numerous

loose stools, so the ES does HELP to cleanse the bowels. However in my

experience, it's quite possible that in some cases those 4 doses are not

sufficient to completely clear the digestive tract of all its contents. This

means that the epsom salt may not totally clear the way for the stones and other

crud that are released into the intestines after the olive oil mixture is drunk.

Whether or not the bowel is effectively cleared by the ES really depends on the

quantity of food that's already in the gut, in the process of being digested,

prior to starting the flush.

My feeling is that for the majority of people the gut is not completely cleared

by the epsom salt. This may be one of the reasons why some people experience

nausea or vomiting during a flush. If there's still undigested food in the

intestines, this can slow the transit of any toxin-laden stones, congealed bile

or sludge released into the digestive tract by the flush, allowing time for this

toxic waste to be reabsorbed into the bloodstream, which can make us feel sick.

This is why it's so important to do an enema or two the afternoon of the flush,

prior to taking the first dose of epsom salt, and also why it's a good idea to

do another enema a day or two after. Doing coffee enemas can be especially

beneficial in conjunction with doing a flush, as they stimulate the liver to

produce and excrete even more bile, thereby encouraging the release of even more

toxicity.

Personally, I've done flushes where I've taken Homozon (another form of

magnesium - Mg oxide - which liquefies stools causing numerous evacuations) the

night before and the morning of the flush. I only consumed either some juice or

a couple of pieces of fruit the morning of the flush and then fasted the rest of

the day. When I've done flushes this way, believe me, I spent a lot of time back

and forth to the loo and could tell that my bowels were totally clear by

bedtime/olive oil mixture time.

Other times when I skipped the Homozon it was evident to me that there was still

undigested food in my system by the time I took the OO mixture and went to bed.

Still other times I have done an enema or two the afternoon of the flush which

were very productive.

All of this has led me to believe that there's often more undigested food inside

us than we might think when we're preparing for a flush, and that the more we

can do to purge our bowels beforehand, (and afterward) the more effective the

flush will be.

So while drinking the ES can be somewhat helpful for bowel clearing, I would

agree with you, Judy, that it's best not to rely completely on the ES to do

this, and that using other methods to cleanse the digestive tract both before

and after a flush is a very good idea.

Elan