Re: Natural diet-Gall Stones - kitchendoctor.com

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Thanks for posting that link, but that flush calls for 1.5 to 2 cups

of olive oil, consumed over time.

I have enough trouble getting 1 cup of that stuff down even when mixed

with lots of grapefruit juice.

Theres some other good info there though.

Brad

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[Guest guest]

--- In gallstones , " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...>

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> Link is below " Classical Mom " . This is one of Ingrid Naiman's sites. This

woman is fantastic. Should tool around her other sites when you get a chance

(she wrote the definitive book on escarotic cancer salves). Getting on her

mailing list is quite educational as well. -D

Hi Dave,

Yes, Ingrid has a bunch of websites with loads of great articles and

information, and her focus is often from the perspective of the Ayurvedic

approach to health and healing.

However I agree with Brad that her recommendation to take 1.5-2 cups of olive

oil for a liver flush by sipping it over time is off base.

I've done about 7 or 8 flushes so far, and each time I mix 1/2 a cup of high

quality, organic extra virgin olive oil with 1/2 a cup of freshly squeezed

grapefruit, shake them together in a glass jar and chug the whole thing down at

once. I've never puked the mixture once, and the next morning without fail,

stones, chaff and sludge come pouring out.

I never have any aversion to consuming oils in my diet after doing a flush

either, as she suggest will happen after doing her protocol.

There's also no mention of using epsom salt in her protocol, which IMO is a

really important component of any liver flush, as the magnesium sulfate not only

helps to relax biliary ducts which encourages and eases the passing of stones

and gunk, but can also help to stimulate the contraction of the gall bladder.

(Here's an article with more information on the important role played by epsom

salt in the liver flush)

http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=985355

Neither does she recommend doing a castor oil pack and/or an enema prior to the

flush, nor does she suggest doing a coffee enema after the flush, all of which

can dramatically enhance the overall effectiveness of the cleanse.

I also think it's more beneficial to simply use straight milk thistle, dandelion

and/or chaca piedra to cleanse and support the liver than it is to use that

Stone Free product she mentions, which contains a bunch of different herbs, some

of which look to be geared more toward dealing with kidney stones.

I've learned a lot from Ingrid and continue to have a lot of respect for her,

but I think the liver flush protocol she recommends on that link really falls

short of the mark.

Elan

[Guest guest]

--- In gallstones , " Dave Shelden " <wholehealthawareness@...>

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> In complete agreement. I was not actually purporting her protocol for all the

reasons you mentioned. She is a highly educated woman but her main herbal

learning looks to be " Wise Woman " , nothing wrong but there is so much more. In

all fairness to her as well, her flush is not designed to work the same. It is

designed to emulsify or soften with the citric acid and the shear volume of

olive oil over the period of times keeps a constant flow and mild stimulation to

both the liver and gallbladder. No big wam bam like the other flushes.

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Ahh, ok, I see.

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It is her other stuff and experiences such as the State Dept. that twist my

crank.

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Could you explain more?

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There is a direct statistical correlation between gallstones and kidney stones

by the way. Even though they are in different organs it is similar energetic

imbalances behind both. Stagnation and congealing.

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Yes, this makes good sense. And in some cases calcification is involved too,

right?

The more I look into these things, the more it seems calcification is a

significant factor in many chronic conditions...kind of like barnacles building

up over time inside our bodies.

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The protocol for kidney stones is 3oz of fresh lemon juice mixed with 3oz of

olive oil 3 times per day for 3 days. Bloody incredible. Has worked for

clients 100% of the time so far over the 4 years I have been using it. Gets

them out of pain usually in a matter of a few hours. Many herbs that are

supportive of the kidneys are supportive of the liver and visa versa.

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Fantastic! Thanks so much for letting us know about this.

Does it just relieve the pain, or does it actually result in the passage of

kidney stones?

Elan

[Guest guest]

Dave, are you suggesting that everyone stay away from spinach or just those

prone to kidney stones? I eat fresh spinach 4 - 5 days a week!

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> > In complete agreement. I was not actually purporting her protocol for all

the reasons you mentioned. She is a highly educated woman but her main herbal

learning looks to be " Wise Woman " , nothing wrong but there is so much more. In

all fairness to her as well, her flush is not designed to work the same. It is

designed to emulsify or soften with the citric acid and the shear volume of

olive oil over the period of times keeps a constant flow and mild stimulation to

both the liver and gallbladder. No big wam bam like the other flushes.

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> Ahh, ok, I see.

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> It is her other stuff and experiences such as the State Dept. that twist my

crank.

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> Could you explain more?

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> There is a direct statistical correlation between gallstones and kidney

stones by the way. Even though they are in different organs it is similar

energetic imbalances behind both. Stagnation and congealing.

> >>>

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> Yes, this makes good sense. And in some cases calcification is involved too,

right?

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> The more I look into these things, the more it seems calcification is a

significant factor in many chronic conditions...kind of like barnacles building

up over time inside our bodies.

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> >>>

> The protocol for kidney stones is 3oz of fresh lemon juice mixed with 3oz of

olive oil 3 times per day for 3 days. Bloody incredible. Has worked for clients

100% of the time so far over the 4 years I have been using it. Gets them out of

pain usually in a matter of a few hours. Many herbs that are supportive of the

kidneys are supportive of the liver and visa versa.

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> Fantastic! Thanks so much for letting us know about this.

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> Does it just relieve the pain, or does it actually result in the passage of

kidney stones?

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> Elan

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