Re: n00b/immature flusher - right shoulder blade sensations + floating BMs

[Guest guest]

Bonso,

Haven't opened a post in so long...so busy...but happened to open yours and I

must say you had me captivated. Your sense of humour even got this ADD ridden

person to read the entire post...very entertaining.

Now here is my reply...If you take ACV or lemon juice/water, and want to avoid

erosion of tooth enamel, you simply flush and rinse your mouth/teeth out with

water after you take these enamel eroding acids..

hope that helped...lol

Rose

________________________________

From: bonso.mcgowan <bonso.mcgowan@...>

gallstones

Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:15:24 PM

Subject: n00b/immature flusher - right shoulder blade sensations +

floating BMs

Hey all,

I hope you're well...

May I introduce myself as a newbie/immature flusher looking for some

mature/sensible advice from flushing veterans (please!)...

I'm on approximately my 20th flush and I've refined my protocols somewhat by

now, although the efficacy of my approach is less than predictable.

I don't like to prepare with ACV water or phosphoric acid because my tooth

enamel is already quite compromised from ignorant use of these organic acids in

the past.

I avoid apple juice because the sugar content is too high/concentrated, invoking

the insulin response to counter excessive blood glucose(!). I think that I

established that high insulin coupled with poor liver function often results in

these so-called " skin tags " , which is common in insulin resistance disease.

I've been experimenting with malic acid caps, along with gentian+bupleurum

tincture(mornings) , turmeric+bupleurum tincture(before bed), phosphoric

acid(only in the flush potion) and gold coin grass (a couple of times - i've

just started making my own tincture).

I regularly use lecithin (few teaspoons per day) and sometimes take L-taurine/L-

glycine supplements (they're known bile conjugators) .

I've tried different pre-fasting and scheduling of flushes, preferring usually

to drink the flush potion around 14:00 (Saturday) or 22:00 (Friday), depending

on what my plans are for that weekend.

Usually, I succeed the flush with 3x300ml coffee enema hits in the sigmoid colon

(to further clear the biliary ducts), although if I take the flush potion at

22:00, I do a high lemon/saline water enema the following morning and then do a

coffee enema immediately afterwards.

Usually, if I take the usual recommended dose of Epsom salts (1T per 2 hour

intervals preceding/succeedin g), I lose too much fluid via the bowel (liquid

stool aka butt pee!), which is tantamount to loss of eletrolytes, dehydration

and strain on kidneys. Suffice to say, I tend not to take the larger amounts of

Epsom Salts (maybe 2 teaspoons per hit max) - the stool liquifies nicely but not

excessively.

I maintain adequate hydration with a mixture of young coconut water, mineral

water and sun-dried sea salt.

Anyway, the point is, after my 5th flush, I must've had a serious blockage

because my eyes were bloodshot, my stools were floating/clay- coloured and it

took me a couple of flushes to get the whites of my eyes back to normal.

However, I'm still getting that ever-present weird right shoulder blade

sensation, coupled with greasy/floating stools (they are bilirubin brown

though!).

At the moment, I'm trying to heal some of my teeth and I know that without being

able to emulsify fats completely, my intestine won't be actively taking up

lipids and the prized fat-soluble vitamins (a la Weston Price). I'm sure that

without much alkaline bile in my small intestine, the acid chyme won't be

neutralised that much either, thereby causing further complication.

As well as the usual stone softeners (including the aforementioned

formulas/tinctures and others like chanca piedra, which are normally used for

kidney calculi), castor packs, strong percussion, lecithin/L-glycine/ L-taurine,

cholegogic herbs (dandelion, gentian/bupleurum etc.) etc., does anyone have any

suggestions for shifting this debris sharpish please (or is it just a case of

flushing at very regular intervals)?

At the moment, my only time for flushing is at weekends and it's so inconvenient

that my other duties are being totally neglected (e.g. renovating my home,

tending my garden, housekeeping) .

My only concern is that I'm merely agitating (not clearing) the debris and all

that I'm actually producing is bile stools or soap stones...

One last thing - I would never juice carrots, beets, sweet potatoes or any of

these hybridised starchy vegetables.. .The sugars in these things without the

fibre cause major hyperglycaemic spikes (I've experienced the insulin headache

and skin tag formation, which I would never repeat).

Please help veteran flushers because at the moment, I feel like I'm chasing

rainbows...

Thank you for your obliging consideration, which is most appreciated in advance.

Kindest regards,

Bonso

[Guest guest]

taking acv or lemon does nothing to your enamel.

From: Rose Conforti <roseconforti@...>

Subject: Re: n00b/immature flusher - right shoulder blade

sensations + floating BMs

gallstones

Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 1:17 PM

 

Bonso,

Haven't opened a post in so long...so busy...but happened to open yours and I

must say you had me captivated. Your sense of humour even got this ADD ridden

person to read the entire post...very entertaining.

Now here is my reply...If you take ACV or lemon juice/water, and want to avoid

erosion of tooth enamel, you simply flush and rinse your mouth/teeth out with

water after you take these enamel eroding acids..

hope that helped...lol

Rose

____________ _________ _________ __

From: bonso.mcgowan <bonso.mcgowan>

gallstones@gro ups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:15:24 PM

Subject: n00b/immature flusher - right shoulder blade sensations +

floating BMs

Hey all,

I hope you're well...

May I introduce myself as a newbie/immature flusher looking for some

mature/sensible advice from flushing veterans (please!)...

I'm on approximately my 20th flush and I've refined my protocols somewhat by

now, although the efficacy of my approach is less than predictable.

I don't like to prepare with ACV water or phosphoric acid because my tooth

enamel is already quite compromised from ignorant use of these organic acids in

the past.

I avoid apple juice because the sugar content is too high/concentrated, invoking

the insulin response to counter excessive blood glucose(!). I think that I

established that high insulin coupled with poor liver function often results in

these so-called " skin tags " , which is common in insulin resistance disease.

I've been experimenting with malic acid caps, along with gentian+bupleurum

tincture(mornings) , turmeric+bupleurum tincture(before bed), phosphoric

acid(only in the flush potion) and gold coin grass (a couple of times - i've

just started making my own tincture).

I regularly use lecithin (few teaspoons per day) and sometimes take L-taurine/L-

glycine supplements (they're known bile conjugators) .

I've tried different pre-fasting and scheduling of flushes, preferring usually

to drink the flush potion around 14:00 (Saturday) or 22:00 (Friday), depending

on what my plans are for that weekend.

Usually, I succeed the flush with 3x300ml coffee enema hits in the sigmoid colon

(to further clear the biliary ducts), although if I take the flush potion at

22:00, I do a high lemon/saline water enema the following morning and then do a

coffee enema immediately afterwards.

Usually, if I take the usual recommended dose of Epsom salts (1T per 2 hour

intervals preceding/succeedin g), I lose too much fluid via the bowel (liquid

stool aka butt pee!), which is tantamount to loss of eletrolytes, dehydration

and strain on kidneys. Suffice to say, I tend not to take the larger amounts of

Epsom Salts (maybe 2 teaspoons per hit max) - the stool liquifies nicely but not

excessively.

I maintain adequate hydration with a mixture of young coconut water, mineral

water and sun-dried sea salt.

Anyway, the point is, after my 5th flush, I must've had a serious blockage

because my eyes were bloodshot, my stools were floating/clay- coloured and it

took me a couple of flushes to get the whites of my eyes back to normal.

However, I'm still getting that ever-present weird right shoulder blade

sensation, coupled with greasy/floating stools (they are bilirubin brown

though!).

At the moment, I'm trying to heal some of my teeth and I know that without being

able to emulsify fats completely, my intestine won't be actively taking up

lipids and the prized fat-soluble vitamins (a la Weston Price). I'm sure that

without much alkaline bile in my small intestine, the acid chyme won't be

neutralised that much either, thereby causing further complication.

As well as the usual stone softeners (including the aforementioned

formulas/tinctures and others like chanca piedra, which are normally used for

kidney calculi), castor packs, strong percussion, lecithin/L-glycine/ L-taurine,

cholegogic herbs (dandelion, gentian/bupleurum etc.) etc., does anyone have any

suggestions for shifting this debris sharpish please (or is it just a case of

flushing at very regular intervals)?

At the moment, my only time for flushing is at weekends and it's so inconvenient

that my other duties are being totally neglected (e.g. renovating my home,

tending my garden, housekeeping) .

My only concern is that I'm merely agitating (not clearing) the debris and all

that I'm actually producing is bile stools or soap stones...

One last thing - I would never juice carrots, beets, sweet potatoes or any of

these hybridised starchy vegetables.. .The sugars in these things without the

fibre cause major hyperglycaemic spikes (I've experienced the insulin headache

and skin tag formation, which I would never repeat).

Please help veteran flushers because at the moment, I feel like I'm chasing

rainbows...

Thank you for your obliging consideration, which is most appreciated in advance.

Kindest regards,

Bonso

[Guest guest]

can you tell me why? or how you have come to that conclusion?

________________________________

From: Jay Grosflam <jgrosflam@...>

gallstones

Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 8:04:41 PM

Subject: Re: n00b/immature flusher - right shoulder blade

sensations + floating BMs

taking acv or lemon does nothing to your enamel.

From: Rose Conforti <roseconforti>

Subject: Re: n00b/immature flusher - right shoulder blade

sensations + floating BMs

gallstones@gro ups.com

Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 1:17 PM

Bonso,

Haven't opened a post in so long...so busy...but happened to open yours and I

must say you had me captivated. Your sense of humour even got this ADD ridden

person to read the entire post...very entertaining.

Now here is my reply...If you take ACV or lemon juice/water, and want to avoid

erosion of tooth enamel, you simply flush and rinse your mouth/teeth out with

water after you take these enamel eroding acids..

hope that helped...lol

Rose

____________ _________ _________ __

From: bonso.mcgowan <bonso.mcgowan>

gallstones@gro ups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:15:24 PM

Subject: n00b/immature flusher - right shoulder blade sensations +

floating BMs

Hey all,

I hope you're well...

May I introduce myself as a newbie/immature flusher looking for some

mature/sensible advice from flushing veterans (please!)...

I'm on approximately my 20th flush and I've refined my protocols somewhat by

now, although the efficacy of my approach is less than predictable.

I don't like to prepare with ACV water or phosphoric acid because my tooth

enamel is already quite compromised from ignorant use of these organic acids in

the past.

I avoid apple juice because the sugar content is too high/concentrated, invoking

the insulin response to counter excessive blood glucose(!). I think that I

established that high insulin coupled with poor liver function often results in

these so-called " skin tags " , which is common in insulin resistance disease.

I've been experimenting with malic acid caps, along with gentian+bupleurum

tincture(mornings) , turmeric+bupleurum tincture(before bed), phosphoric

acid(only in the flush potion) and gold coin grass (a couple of times - i've

just started making my own tincture).

I regularly use lecithin (few teaspoons per day) and sometimes take L-taurine/L-

glycine supplements (they're known bile conjugators) .

I've tried different pre-fasting and scheduling of flushes, preferring usually

to drink the flush potion around 14:00 (Saturday) or 22:00 (Friday), depending

on what my plans are for that weekend.

Usually, I succeed the flush with 3x300ml coffee enema hits in the sigmoid colon

(to further clear the biliary ducts), although if I take the flush potion at

22:00, I do a high lemon/saline water enema the following morning and then do a

coffee enema immediately afterwards.

Usually, if I take the usual recommended dose of Epsom salts (1T per 2 hour

intervals preceding/succeedin g), I lose too much fluid via the bowel (liquid

stool aka butt pee!), which is tantamount to loss of eletrolytes, dehydration

and strain on kidneys. Suffice to say, I tend not to take the larger amounts of

Epsom Salts (maybe 2 teaspoons per hit max) - the stool liquifies nicely but not

excessively.

I maintain adequate hydration with a mixture of young coconut water, mineral

water and sun-dried sea salt.

Anyway, the point is, after my 5th flush, I must've had a serious blockage

because my eyes were bloodshot, my stools were floating/clay- coloured and it

took me a couple of flushes to get the whites of my eyes back to normal.

However, I'm still getting that ever-present weird right shoulder blade

sensation, coupled with greasy/floating stools (they are bilirubin brown

though!).

At the moment, I'm trying to heal some of my teeth and I know that without being

able to emulsify fats completely, my intestine won't be actively taking up

lipids and the prized fat-soluble vitamins (a la Weston Price). I'm sure that

without much alkaline bile in my small intestine, the acid chyme won't be

neutralised that much either, thereby causing further complication.

As well as the usual stone softeners (including the aforementioned

formulas/tinctures and others like chanca piedra, which are normally used for

kidney calculi), castor packs, strong percussion, lecithin/L-glycine/ L-taurine,

cholegogic herbs (dandelion, gentian/bupleurum etc.) etc., does anyone have any

suggestions for shifting this debris sharpish please (or is it just a case of

flushing at very regular intervals)?

At the moment, my only time for flushing is at weekends and it's so inconvenient

that my other duties are being totally neglected (e.g. renovating my home,

tending my garden, housekeeping) .

My only concern is that I'm merely agitating (not clearing) the debris and all

that I'm actually producing is bile stools or soap stones...

One last thing - I would never juice carrots, beets, sweet potatoes or any of

these hybridised starchy vegetables.. .The sugars in these things without the

fibre cause major hyperglycaemic spikes (I've experienced the insulin headache

and skin tag formation, which I would never repeat).

Please help veteran flushers because at the moment, I feel like I'm chasing

rainbows...

Thank you for your obliging consideration, which is most appreciated in advance.

Kindest regards,

Bonso

[Guest guest]

because of saliva changes pH, and the actual time on enamel which is very

short.  You also may have been eating before, during, or after drinking ACV or

lemon, lime juice.

You are not gargling with the stuff.

From: Rose Conforti <roseconforti>

Subject: Re: n00b/immature flusher - right shoulder blade

sensations + floating BMs

gallstones@gro ups.com

Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 1:17 PM

Bonso,

Haven't opened a post in so long...so busy...but happened to open yours and I

must say you had me captivated. Your sense of humour even got this ADD ridden

person to read the entire post...very entertaining.

Now here is my reply...If you take ACV or lemon juice/water, and want to avoid

erosion of tooth enamel, you simply flush and rinse your mouth/teeth out with

water after you take these enamel eroding acids..

hope that helped...lol

Rose

____________ _________ _________ __

From: bonso.mcgowan <bonso.mcgowan>

gallstones@gro ups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:15:24 PM

Subject: n00b/immature flusher - right shoulder blade sensations +

floating BMs

Hey all,

I hope you're well...

May I introduce myself as a newbie/immature flusher looking for some

mature/sensible advice from flushing veterans (please!)...

I'm on approximately my 20th flush and I've refined my protocols somewhat by

now, although the efficacy of my approach is less than predictable.

I don't like to prepare with ACV water or phosphoric acid because my tooth

enamel is already quite compromised from ignorant use of these organic acids in

the past.

I avoid apple juice because the sugar content is too high/concentrated, invoking

the insulin response to counter excessive blood glucose(!). I think that I

established that high insulin coupled with poor liver function often results in

these so-called " skin tags " , which is common in insulin resistance disease.

I've been experimenting with malic acid caps, along with gentian+bupleurum

tincture(mornings) , turmeric+bupleurum tincture(before bed), phosphoric

acid(only in the flush potion) and gold coin grass (a couple of times - i've

just started making my own tincture).

I regularly use lecithin (few teaspoons per day) and sometimes take L-taurine/L-

glycine supplements (they're known bile conjugators) .

I've tried different pre-fasting and scheduling of flushes, preferring usually

to drink the flush potion around 14:00 (Saturday) or 22:00 (Friday), depending

on what my plans are for that weekend.

Usually, I succeed the flush with 3x300ml coffee enema hits in the sigmoid colon

(to further clear the biliary ducts), although if I take the flush potion at

22:00, I do a high lemon/saline water enema the following morning and then do a

coffee enema immediately afterwards.

Usually, if I take the usual recommended dose of Epsom salts (1T per 2 hour

intervals preceding/succeedin g), I lose too much fluid via the bowel (liquid

stool aka butt pee!), which is tantamount to loss of eletrolytes, dehydration

and strain on kidneys. Suffice to say, I tend not to take the larger amounts of

Epsom Salts (maybe 2 teaspoons per hit max) - the stool liquifies nicely but not

excessively.

I maintain adequate hydration with a mixture of young coconut water, mineral

water and sun-dried sea salt.

Anyway, the point is, after my 5th flush, I must've had a serious blockage

because my eyes were bloodshot, my stools were floating/clay- coloured and it

took me a couple of flushes to get the whites of my eyes back to normal.

However, I'm still getting that ever-present weird right shoulder blade

sensation, coupled with greasy/floating stools (they are bilirubin brown

though!).

At the moment, I'm trying to heal some of my teeth and I know that without being

able to emulsify fats completely, my intestine won't be actively taking up

lipids and the prized fat-soluble vitamins (a la Weston Price). I'm sure that

without much alkaline bile in my small intestine, the acid chyme won't be

neutralised that much either, thereby causing further complication.

As well as the usual stone softeners (including the aforementioned

formulas/tinctures and others like chanca piedra, which are normally used for

kidney calculi), castor packs, strong percussion, lecithin/L-glycine/ L-taurine,

cholegogic herbs (dandelion, gentian/bupleurum etc.) etc., does anyone have any

suggestions for shifting this debris sharpish please (or is it just a case of

flushing at very regular intervals)?

At the moment, my only time for flushing is at weekends and it's so inconvenient

that my other duties are being totally neglected (e.g. renovating my home,

tending my garden, housekeeping) .

My only concern is that I'm merely agitating (not clearing) the debris and all

that I'm actually producing is bile stools or soap stones...

One last thing - I would never juice carrots, beets, sweet potatoes or any of

these hybridised starchy vegetables.. .The sugars in these things without the

fibre cause major hyperglycaemic spikes (I've experienced the insulin headache

and skin tag formation, which I would never repeat).

Please help veteran flushers because at the moment, I feel like I'm chasing

rainbows...

Thank you for your obliging consideration, which is most appreciated in advance.

Kindest regards,

Bonso

[Guest guest]

>

> Hey all,

>

> I hope you're well...

>

> May I introduce myself as a newbie/immature flusher looking for some

mature/sensible advice from flushing veterans (please!)...

>

> I'm on approximately my 20th flush

Hi Bonso,

You've done 20 flushes and call yourself a noobie? Sheesh, I'd say you're more

like the veteran among this crowd! :-)

If you've done that many flushes and are still getting stones or other debris

coming out afterward and are experiencing what you suspect is pain in the gall

bladder area, this makes me wonder what else is going on.

Here are a few questions that come to mind:

Aside from the pain in your side, how is your health generally? Are you dealing

with any other health issues? Are you having any sort of digestive

difficulties? Have you done any parasite cleansing? Have you been doing any

other kinds of detoxification protocols in conjunction with or in addition to

liver flushing? What's your diet like? Besides the things you mentioned in

your post, are you taking any other supplements? For instance are you taking

any things like O3s, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, probiotics, green foods or

medicinal mushrooms etc? Have you noticed any positive shifts in your health as

a result of doing all these flushes? Is your pain constant, or is it perhaps

triggered by anything specific? What's your history with regard to this pain?

Have you taken courses of pharmaceutical drugs or done recreational drugs at any

time during your life? Have you or do you consume alcohol? Have you ever had

any kind of surgery that required anesthesia? Have you ever been exposed to any

other toxins that you think would have put a burden on your liver? Have you ever

experienced any kind of injury to the part of your body that's giving you pain?

Have you consulted a naturopath or other professional health care practitioner

to discuss your health issues?

You certainly don't need to answer all these questions here on the forum, but I

just thought I'd write them down for you here as these are the kinds of

questions I would be asking myself if I'd done 20 flushes and hadn't gotten the

results I was looking for.

Oh, and I'm not sure why you mention floating BMs? Is that a problem? I wasn't

aware that it was.

Maybe if you can give us a bit more to go on in terms of what else is and has

been going on with you, some folks here will be better able to come up with some

helpful feedback or suggestions for you.

Elan