Epsom Salts

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<< Someone

mentioned that there is something called " edible epsom

salts. " How would one go about finding them? >>

Jan, I have never heard of that, but I have always used the plain old Epsom

salts that is used to soak sore feet and things of that nature. Isn't this

what Dr recommends?

Jan

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I got mine own sale at Wal-Mart:

Swan Epsom Salt Magnesium Sulfate U.S.P. mgSO4•7h2O

One side of the box says for external use as a soaking aid for minor

sprains and bruises.

The opposite side says:

a saline laxative for the short-term relief of constipation.

INDICATIONS:For relief of occasional constipation. Increases water

volume in the intestine thereby promoting bowel movement. This product

generally produces bowel movement in 1/2 to 6 hours.

etc.,.

Marve

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I tried Wal-Mart, but it wasn't USP grade

Leo.

> I got mine own sale at Wal-Mart:

>

> Swan Epsom Salt Magnesium Sulfate U.S.P. mgSO4•7h2O

> One side of the box says for external use as a soaking aid for minor

> sprains and bruises.

>

> The opposite side says:

>

> a saline laxative for the short-term relief of constipation.

> INDICATIONS:For relief of occasional constipation. Increases water

> volume in the intestine thereby promoting bowel movement. This

product

> generally produces bowel movement in 1/2 to 6 hours.

> etc.,.

> Marve

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If you are going to start doing them, you can start with a small

amount, like a quarter or half a cup... I think some people use as

much as two cups, but they only give the baths once a week or

something like that. I prefer to use about a quarter cup, every

other day.

Initially, my son got really aggressive following epsom salt baths

(we were using about a cup), and so I waited a while, tried again,

with just a tablespoon, and we've been able to increase the amount he

can tolerate without any aggressive/hyper behavior.

W

> Just wanted to see what the correct amount is when putting epsom

salts into

> bathwater -- what amount do all of you use to help our children?

>

> Kris

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In a message dated 12/19/01 10:22:53 AM Central Standard Time,

krisschlepp@... writes:

> Just wanted to see what the correct amount is when putting epsom salts into

>

We started with 1/2 cup per tub and worked up to two cups by a week. Now,

when my son becomes hyperactive from what I believe to be phenols, I give him

two baths per day, both with two cups of salts. This seems to calm him a lot.

The sulfate in the epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) is supposed to help with

the processing of the phenols.

Once when we were at my parent's house, their well water went bad and we

didn't bathe my son for three days. (At the time, I didn't know about

spritzing with epsom salt water or about epsom salt lotion.) He became

hyperactive after two days, and didn't calm down until we'd been home for two

days and given him several baths. Even though we'd been fairly low phenol at

my parent's house, I think the phenols just had a cumulative effect which he

couldn't get rid of until getting a few epsom salt baths.

If your child doesn't have a sulfation problem, or a problem processing

phenols, perhaps he wouldn't do as well on epsom salts as my son does. I

guess the bottom line is that every child is different.

Good luck,

Debbie

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Thanks Debbie, and everyone else, for the information about Epsom Salts.

We've only been doing it sporadically, but now I'm going to try for more

consistency to see if there is a positive response.

Kris

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noz44@... writes:

> May I ask what you use instead of epson salts?

> Thanks

> Wally

>

As for emptying the bowels (a function of the epsom salts), I use apple

juice, which works as a laxative when consumed in larger quantities) in

preparation for the cleanse and I usually do a juice fast the day of the

cleanse. That's about it.

Sources say that the Epsom Salts also dilate the bile ducts to allow for

easier movement of the stones. I've never had a problem, though, and so my

preference is to do the cleanse without them.

But you'll find (if you haven't already noticed) that the majority of the

people who write posts to this list DO use the Epsom Salts. I'm in the

minority.

in health,

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May I ask what you use instead of epson salts?

Thanks

Wally

> noz44@y... writes:

> > I tried to start a Flush but could not drink 10 oz of water with

4

> > measured tablespoons of epson salts. It was so bitter and nasty.

I

> > drank a little but not much. Is there a trick to it?

> > Wally

> >

>

> Hi Wally

> I used to use the Epsom Salts drink when I did the gallbladder

flush and I

> found that it really helped a lot to add some lemon juice to the

mixture. It

> takes away that metallic taste (or whatever that is) of the Epsom

Salts.

> I've read that you can also mix it with apple juice if you like. I

haven't

> tried that, though and I don't use the ES with my gallbladder

flushes anymore

> anyway.

>

> I'd suggest you try adding lemon juice. That might do the trick

for you.

>

> in health,

>

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>

>

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I use a bottle of magnesium citrate (about the size of a small soda

bottle). Drink half of it in leau of what you take at 6pm, and the

other half at 8pm.. Works for me, since I don't like epsom salts...

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I have a 5y/o I would like to try epsom salt baths on but she always drinks

the bath water. Anyone know if drinking this would be a problem? Thanks,

N.

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- Drinking water with epsom salts could be a big problem since it's

also a VERY powerful laxative!

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http://www.racingsmarter.com/epsom_salts.htm

here's a great site on the baths. I have never used the apple cider vinegar

though....

I have read much on the list about people giving their

children epsom salt baths. What are the

advantages/disadvantages of this? If I am not

chelating can I still do this, how often?

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This site is not intended for autism. THe info is for pains etc. not for the

sake of the intake of the sulfate. In addition, you are takink the baths to get

rid of the phenols. apple is high in phenols...

Judy

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http://www.racingsmarter.com/epsom_salts.htm

here's a great site on the baths. I have never used the apple cider vinegar

though....

I have read much on the list about people giving their

children epsom salt baths. What are the

advantages/disadvantages of this? If I am not

chelating can I still do this, how often?

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YES. In the package says that you can drink the salt for constipation, so I

guess that drinking the water may give diarrhea (depending on the quantity and

concentration, of course). Anyway, my daughter also likes to drink the water

from the bath, so I seat near her all the time when she is in the bath. Another

alternative is the Epson cream...

Judy

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I have a 5y/o I would like to try epsom salt baths on but she always drinks

the bath water. Anyone know if drinking this would be a problem? Thanks,

N.

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Question,

Those who have children that drink the water from the bath, do they do this

regardless of whether the epsom salts is in the water or not?

Just curious since my daughter never did this.

At 08:59 PM 2/10/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>YES. In the package says that you can drink the salt for constipation, so

>I guess that drinking the water may give diarrhea (depending on the

>quantity and concentration, of course). Anyway, my daughter also likes to

>drink the water from the bath, so I seat near her all the time when she is

>in the bath. Another alternative is the Epson cream...

>

>Judy

>

>

>

> Re: [ ] epsom salts

>

>

> I have a 5y/o I would like to try epsom salt baths on but she always

> drinks

> the bath water. Anyone know if drinking this would be a problem? Thanks,

> N.

>

>

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Epsom Salt reacts like a laxative when large amounts are swallowed.

M

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>I have read much on the list about people giving their

>children epsom salt baths. What are the

>advantages/disadvantages of this? If I am not

>chelating can I still do this, how often?

the advantage is that it helps to provide a certain TYPE

of sulfur (sulfate I think, but I get them all confused).

Most kids with ASD seem to need this. Or maybe I should

make that " most mercury toxic people " , I'm not sure.

Anyway, it seems to help.

Please note that the " sulfur " (sulfate?) that one provides

this way (epsom salts) is NOT the same as the dietary sulfur

(in foods like eggs, cauliflower, cabbage, and supplements

like NAC and whey powder). The sulfur in food/supplements

is something that some need and some should avoid (it is

an individual thing)-- whereas, as I understand it, the

epsom salts are okay regardless, and may be very helpful.

yes, you can do this without chelating. You can also find

out your child's need to emphasize/avoid sulfur foods/supplements

by doing a plasma cysteine test, if you wish.

Moria

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I've read both " one cup full " and " two cups full " in different

places, and also " every night " or " several times a week " . I've never

heard anything about it being dangerous to have too many. My two

children (8 and 10) are therefore having Epsom salt baths approx.

every other night with approx 1 1/2 cups of salts in (to keep

everybody happy!).

Can't really say whether there is an effect from the salts or not -

we only started 3 weeks ago, and have also started gf, followed by

cf, and enzymes all at the same time. My son has definitely improved

immensely, daughter has improved slightly. I'm keeping on with

everything for at least 3 months before I start tinkering with

things, to give it all a good try.

Sorry not to have any more specific advice.

> I have heard that epsom salts have a calming effect on PDD or ASD

> kids because some of them have a shortage of magnesium sulfate. I

> know I'm supposed to put them in her bath water, but how much

should

> I use and is it safe to use them every night or just every few

days.

> I don't want to cause more of a problem by using too much. My

mother

> is convinced that epsom salts can still have a laxative effect when

> used as a soak because they are absorbed through the skin.

>

> How much should I use in the tub and how often? My PDD daughter is

3

> years old and weighs about 30 lbs (if this makes any difference).

>

> Barbara

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> I have heard that epsom salts have a calming effect on PDD or ASD

> kids because some of them have a shortage of magnesium sulfate.

Yes, for some kids, especially those with phenol issues.

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/phenol.htm

Some kids have negative reaction to epsom salts tho, so be sure to

watch your child for anything negative.

I

> know I'm supposed to put them in her bath water, but how much should

> I use and is it safe to use them every night or just every few days.

I have heard 2 cups in very warm water, soak for 20 minutes. More

info on my page above. Some kids seem to develop a tolerance level,

so using it every night eventually the effect wears off.

> I don't want to cause more of a problem by using too much. My

mother

> is convinced that epsom salts can still have a laxative effect when

> used as a soak because they are absorbed through the skin.

Possibly, altho I have heard it is only if the child drinks the water.

Watch your child and see what effect, if any, she has.

Dana

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Hi Barbara,

>From what I understand the sulfate in Epsom salts is good for detoxifying

some toxins that tend to accumulate in the body. This is where the calming

effect comes from when somebody is having a bath with Epsom salts - a lot of

toxins will be taken out of the body.

Normally, our body produces sulfate and uses it for a lot of really great

things (for neutralizing some toxins, for growth factors, for the production

of the oxytocin - the " social hormone " , for a lot of cellular functions, our

organs can't function well if we don't have a good supply of sulfate in the

blood; hormones, neurotransmitters, they all use sulfate to function

properly).

Owens says that " [sulfate]... is so critical to life that the body will

apparently borrow protein from the muscles to keep from running too low.

Many systems in the body will not function well in a low-sulfate

environment. "

Normally our body produces sulfate, uses it, and recycles it for later use.

Well, the problem with some people is that they can't re-use this sulfate

anymore. Their body excretes it in the urine (it is thought that mercury

causes some problems and messes up things in there, but that's not important

now).

Because sulfate is so necessary for the body to function well, you have to

" help " by giving it baths with magnesium sulfate. This sulfate won't stay too

much time in the blood... only a few hours, so I think a bath (with magnesium

sulfate) daily would be great. Also, can tell you how to prepare a

cream And you can use that anytime... in case your kid needs it (it's

easier).

For some kids the extra magnesium is not a good idea, so maybe some calcium

will help (in case they are already high in magnesium). I'm not very sure

about this... maybe somebody else could come up with some ideas about how to

reduce the magnesium levels.

Also, it seems that sulfate feeds candida, so this can be a problem too, in

case your kid has yeast overgrowth. If you notice that his stools become

smelly... I guess you will have to deal with it

Sorry, but as you probably know already, nothing good in life comes for free

)LOL

My kid drinks a lot of water too but the salts don't give him diarrhea.

I understood that you can use from a half to two caps per bath of Epsom

salts.

Hope this helps....

Valentina

> I have heard that epsom salts have a calming effect on PDD or ASD

> kids because some of them have a shortage of magnesium sulfate. I

> know I'm supposed to put them in her bath water, but how much should

> I use and is it safe to use them every night or just every few days.

> I don't want to cause more of a problem by using too much. My mother

> is convinced that epsom salts can still have a laxative effect when

> used as a soak because they are absorbed through the skin.

>

> How much should I use in the tub and how often? My PDD daughter is 3

> years old and weighs about 30 lbs (if this makes any difference).

>

> Barbara

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Mine always did. Even when she was a little baby she kept her tongue out wishing

to catch some water from her bath.. .

Now that she is 3, sometimes still do that. I don't put in the water toys that

can help as cups and other containers, but she licks the toys....

Judy

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>

> I have a 5y/o I would like to try epsom salt baths on but she always

> drinks

> the bath water. Anyone know if drinking this would be a problem? Thanks,

> N.

>

>

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Our 4 year old drinks water from the bath regardless of whether there

are epsom salts there or not. I dissolve probably half a cup in a

bath about a third full.

father of

dissolved

> >YES. In the package says that you can drink the salt for

constipation, so

> >I guess that drinking the water may give diarrhea (depending on

the

> >quantity and concentration, of course). Anyway, my daughter also

likes to

> >drink the water from the bath, so I seat near her all the time

when she is

> >in the bath. Another alternative is the Epson cream...

> >

> >Judy

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: [ ] epsom salts

> >

> >

> > I have a 5y/o I would like to try epsom salt baths on but she

always

> > drinks

> > the bath water. Anyone know if drinking this would be a

problem? Thanks,

> > N.

> >

> >

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In a message dated 2/13/2002 10:53:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

<< ate) daily would be great. Also, can tell you how to prepare a

cream And you can use that anytime... in case your kid needs it (it's

easier).

>>

Does this cream have just sulfate in it, or magnesium too? Is it made from

epsom salts? I would like to know more about making the cream, and where you

got all this good info.

:-)

Jane

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> Does this cream have just sulfate in it, or magnesium too? Is it

made from

> epsom salts? I would like to know more about making the cream, and

where you

> got all this good info.

Here is my phenol page, which includes several recipes for homemade

epsom salt creams/ointments/lotions.

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/phenol.htm

Dana

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Hi Jane

> Does this cream have just sulfate in it, or magnesium too? Is it made from

> epsom salts?

Yes, it is a cream that you can make with Epsom salts.

> I would like to know more about making the cream, and where you

> got all this good info.

I'm not sure if it's me the one you're asking... I wrote the initial email so I

will assume it is me

>From the web... from archives (of this list, of other lists)... it's

everywhere... it is so much that at some point I felt like my head is going to

explode I swear I didn't know I can learn so many things, in such short time,

under so much pressure, information that was in a language that is not even

mine.

I really believe this sulfur issue is important. That's why I am kind of

obsessed

Valentina