Epsom Salts

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My daughter always drinks the bath water, whether there is epsom

salts in it or not. I put a large cupful in, and we have never had

any bowel issues.

-- In @y..., " Judy Ben-Ami " <badin@n...> wrote:

> Mine always did. Even when she was a little baby she kept her

tongue out wishing to catch some water from her bath.. .

> Now that she is 3, sometimes still do that. I don't put in the

water toys that can help as cups and other containers, but she licks

the toys....

>

> Judy

> Re: [ ] epsom salts

> >

> >

> > I have a 5y/o I would like to try epsom salt baths on but she

always

> > drinks

> > the bath water. Anyone know if drinking this would be a

problem? Thanks,

> > N.

> >

> >

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Along the lines of what's considered safe.... What do you know about

Epsom Salts. I've heard people talk about using this in bath water for a

child, but when I read the back of the package, it sounds like it can be

harmful. What are the good effects of Epsom Salts on ASD children? What are

the bad effects?? And how much is too much???

Dorothy

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Liz,

At this site, look in the yellow box to the left. Click on " Files " .

Next, click on " Related Topics and Supplements " , then click on " Epsom

Salts " . If you have any trouble, I can send it to you.

Here is the direct link which I hope takes you there, be sure to cut

and paste it, don't just click on it or it won't work:

/files/Related%20Topics%

20and%20Supplements/Epsom%20salts

> , I just re read one of your earlier postings and see that

there

> is info on Epsom salts in " 's file section " , please refresh my

> memory, how do I get there?

>

> Thanks

> Liz

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Liz,

For goodness sakes, where are you from? Thank goodness, spring is just

around the corner.

CASSIE

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I wonder if this may have gotten lost in the snafu...I am wondering,

how often to soak and does it matter if it is mornings or nights?

Thanks all it is about -22F here and we can use all the hot soaks we can

get!!!

Liz

[ ] Epsom salts

Thank you , I found the info. One thing I couldn't see was how

often should the 20 minute soaks take place? Thanks

Liz

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I tend to use smaller amounts of ep.salts with my kids but on a more

frequent basis... 3 times a week we use no more than 3/4 of a cup in

their tub water. I just ordered kirkmans epsom salt lotion and I

like it. I just rub it on their backs every day. The only thing

that " bothers " me about it is that it has mineral oil in it, which I

don't like because it is petroleum product...however, I am willing to

forego that concern in the event of getting them more sulfate.

W

> I wonder if this may have gotten lost in the snafu...I am

wondering,

> how often to soak and does it matter if it is mornings or nights?

> Thanks all it is about -22F here and we can use all the hot soaks

we can

> get!!!

> Liz

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is this for you or your child? that should be fine to start with...

if you experience anything like aggression, headache, or whatever,

then just back off and reduce the amount the next time.

W

> OK. I have the salts, I have read the notes. Should I try with one

> cup in a bath full. We have a large jacuzzi tub. Anything else I

> need to be aware of.

>

> Soaking long and hot today. Temperature will be -40F with the wind

> chill. Happy spring!!!!

> Liz

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thanks for your reply, it is for my child. Now I am nervous, I didn't

imagine there could be negative side effects. I will back off on the amount

and build up gradually.

My daughter is 11, about 5 feet, 100 pounds

Liz

[ ] Re: Epsom salts

is this for you or your child? that should be fine to start with...

if you experience anything like aggression, headache, or whatever,

then just back off and reduce the amount the next time.

W

> OK. I have the salts, I have read the notes. Should I try with one

> cup in a bath full. We have a large jacuzzi tub. Anything else I

> need to be aware of.

>

> Soaking long and hot today. Temperature will be -40F with the wind

> chill. Happy spring!!!!

> Liz

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Dear ,

Thank you so much with the info on epsom salt. I actually post the same

question about this on our Indonesian autism mailing list and I got " the

response " from you......

Cheers,

Shinta

[ ] epsom salts

>>I liked the idea of a cream of some sort but it would need to be

readily absorbed and only on his forearms or legs -

> as these are the only areas I can touch when he is asleep without

> waking him up!

Sorry I don't know about your other questions, but it is perfectly

find to rub the cream on any skin - forearms, legs, nose, back, neck,

whereever. If you put it on a little thick while he is sleeping, it

could be soaking in over time...like a time-release application. Here

is the file again for the different application mixtures and also for

making a cheap homemade cream.

.

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Epsom Salts

by DeFelice

What are Epsom salts?

Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate. Salts are just molecules that

come together based on having a positive and negative charge.

Magnesium has a positive charge. Sulfate has a negative charge, and

they dissociate (or go their separate ways) in solution. Sulfate is

a sulfur atom surrounded by four oxygen atoms and it has a negative

charge. It has all sorts of unique biological functions. Epsom salts

can be very beneficial for individuals with neurological conditions

including autism spectrum, sensory integration disorder, and

ADD/ADHD.

How do they work? Why do they work?

Dr. Rosemary Waring has found that most autistic spectrum kids, and

lots of others with neurological conditions, are very low in

sulfate. They may be as low as 15% of neurologically typical people.

Sulfate is needed for a pathway in the body that processes

salicylates, phenols, chemicals of all kinds (including food colors,

artificial flavoring, and preservatives), and other things the body

sees as toxins. This can include heavy metals. The body may have

more toxins to process than it can because of a lack of sulfur. To

alleviate the unpleasant reactions such as hyperness, aggression,

tantrums, sleep problems, night sweats, irritability, eczema, other

skin conditions, etc. you can unclog this " bottleneck " by 1) getting

rid of the amount of toxins that enter the body, or 2) supplying

more sulfur to increase the amount of toxins that can be processed

from the body. Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) supplies the needed

sulfur. The body takes in more sulfur, more toxins are processed and

you don't see the nasty behaviors and effects.

The magnesium and sulfate in the salts are absorbed into the body

through

the skin. Because the sulfur is already in the sulfate form, it does

not

need to be converted like other forms of sulfur do. Sulfate will

circulate

in the body up to nine hours. The Epsom salts left on the skin may

continue to be absorbed as long as it is still on the skin, offering

something sort of like " timed release " into the blood stream, just

like medications that are given through skin patches.

Sulfate ions are not absorbed well from the gut, so simply giving

more sulfur directly may not produce major improvements. Some people

have seem improvements by supplementing with the sulfur containing

amino acids cysteine and taurine, and by giving MSM. However, others

have not. Most people do see some improvement with Epsom salts

because the form of sulfur in the Epsom salts is readily available to

the body. It does not need to be converted. Symptoms include: dark

circles under the eyes, red face/ears, diarrhea, hyperactivity,

aggression, headache, head banging or other self-injury,

inappropriate laughter, difficulty falling asleep at night, and night

waking for several hours. More reading and resources on sulfation and

phenol intolerance can be found at:

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/phenol.htm

Many people on a typical American diet are very deficient in

magnesium as well. Epsom salts also supply magnesium. A main effect

of insufficient magnesium is hyperness, irritability, anxiety and

muscle twitching or spasms. So the salts provide two-way assistance.

Sulfur can also be added to the body by supplementing with MSM.

However, in the MSM form, the sulfur needs to be converted to the

sulfate form first.

Here is a link to a VERY LONG description (may " thorough " is a

better description) of this detox pathway and sulfur.

/files/Related%

20Topics/PST

If you do a search for PST or phenyl sulfotransferase system, you

will find many, many references on this.

How to give Epsom salts

There are several methods parents have used.

1. Epsom salt baths. Most people use about 1-2 cups per tub.

Dissolve the salts in hot water first and then fill the tub to about

waist deep, as warm as possible. The amount of salts that you may

find works best will depend on the individual tolerance, the

temperature of the water, and the size of the tub. The warmer the

water and larger the tub, the more salts will dissolve. If a larger

amount of salts creates a negative reactions, then decrease the dose.

You may need to start slowly using as little as one tablespoon of

salts

and working up gradually. Epsom salts baths are very calming for most

people. This works well before bedtime. Most recommendations say to

soak

for about 20 minutes or more. It is okay to let the salts dry on the

skin. YOu may notice a dry clear-white powder. If it is too itchy or

irritating, just rinse them off. If the skin feels too dry, use

lotion or oils to moisturize. Don't drink the bath water because it

could cause diarrhea.

2. Epsom salt oil. I have been experimenting a bit with the Epsom

salts. It would leave a salty film on the skin which my two boys and

I didn't like (itchy). Lately, I have been mixing some coconut oil

in with the salts and water. Actually it is more oil than water. 3

tablespoons water + 4 tablespoons salts + 12 tablespoon coconut oil.

The coconut oil is good for the skin anyway and it seems to counter

the drying effect of the salts. I found that just mixing the salts

and oil did not dissolve the salts, so I needed to add just some

water. I apply this liberally on the skin and it soaks in plus

leaves the skin smooth and soft.

3. Mix 1 part salts to 2 parts water (or more so the salts dissolve)

and let the person soak their feet in it. My boys would soak their

feet about 30 minutes while they did reading or homework.

4. Mix 1 part salts and 1 part water (add more water if the salts

are not dissolved) and put in a spray-squirt bottle. Mist the

child's chest and/or back and let it dry on. Works well in the

summer.

5. Use one of those plastic squeeze bottles with a sponge on top

that are used for dampening postal stamps, and fill it with the

Epsom salts and water. A solution of 1 part salts to 4 parts water

works well. This can be applied to any part of the body.

6. There are some Epsom salt creams available, but expensive.

7. You can mix a salt and some kind of acceptable lotion into a

paste. Put this paste on a large bandaid and apply to the skin. The

salts will soak in.

As you can see, there is no exact ratio.just what seems to get the

salts dissolved and on the skin. MSM powder or creams (many of these

on the market) can help with the sulfur. However, some recent

research shows that oral sulfur is not as well absorbed. Also, this

won't supply magnesium.

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>>>Is it possible that the recomendation about not using epsom salts

for kids under 12 years is in relation to using them internally, as a

laxitive, and has nothing to do with bathing in them?

> Also has anyone had problems with girls having female type

irritation

> from epsom salt baths? Juli (1-1/2yrs) is very irritated and this

is one of several suspects. I'm going to switch to a cream while I

sort it

Where does it say not to use epsom salts for children under 12? I

would guess this may be based on 2 reasons:

1. one is that the salts and the dosage given is for adults and not

children - using it as a laxative as you say. which leads to the

second point...

2. many supplements, medications, therapies of any type may be okay

for children but they need to put that on the label unless the

product has absolutely passed the rigorous testing and standards that

allow them to print the product/therapy CAN definitely be used for

children and has been proven to be completely safe.

-but I suppose somethings like vaccine preservatives find away around

this

Many parents do very well with the baths regularly. I don't have

girls and we use the $2 homemade cream anyway. Can't help you there.

.

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Epsom salts

G. Wrote:

<< Is it possible that the recomendation about not using epsom salts

for

kids under 12 years is in relation to using them internally, as a

laxitive,

and has nothing to do with bathing in them?

>>

I am sure it is meant that way, although I have never seen that warning.

<< Also has anyone had problems with girls having female type

irritation

from epsom salt baths? Juli (1-1/2yrs) is very irritated and this is

one of

several suspects. I'm going to switch to a cream while I sort it

out.

>>

Yes, when I tried epsom salts bath I found that it had a negative effect

on

candida, and it was slightly irritating.

I personally prefer lectric soda bathes, although they may also 'feed'

candida.

Lectric soda will make the skin velvety.

Unfortunately, it does not have the same 'healing' effects as Epsom

Salts.

Cheers,

Elvira

Melbourne,

Australia

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epsom salts

I mailed a three by five card to the address listed on my box of Epsom salts to

ask if they contained any metals, because the box did not indicate there was

anything other than Magnesium Sulfate U.S.P. in it. My question is if anyone can

give me a specific brand of Epsom salts that they know are safe. I bought my box

at Target and it says it is distributed by the Target Corporation. We have been

using No-Fenol for a week now and Jojo is bouncing with energy, but not manic. I

finally stopped with the vitamins two days ago and he's going to bed at 9pm now

instead of 11pm. What would be a good (safe) multivitamin? The Super Nu Thera we

used for the past few months is very high in Vit. B 6. Jojo seems to be short

circuiting today. He's really having to think before he can spit out words he

was saying with no problem before. I am going to give him a 1/4 tsp of the

vitamins tomorrow and see how it goes, but I'd appreciate if anyone can

recommend a vitamin that they know works well with the enzymes. I am not brave

enough to " challenge " him with any casein or gluten yet. I've gotten too use to

my affectionate, even tempered, daring but no longer fearless little boy. Plus,

I like my sleep. I remember those days pre-diet when he'd not go down until

midnight and be up at 3 am. ready to go.

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I am going to give him a 1/4 tsp of the vitamins tomorrow and see how it

goes, but I'd appreciate if anyone can recommend a vitamin that they know

works well with the enzymes

Hi

I give all sorts pf vitamins to Sam with enzymes, his diet is self limited

and unbalanced and we are chelating too, so I think he needs it. If problems

occur, it tends to be the high B6, I think there is a Nu Thera that doesn't

have the high dose B6 if you want a multi, and one called Evryday I think. I

give separates becuase that suits us better. At least with Kirkman you can

try a sample size and see how you get on.

HTH

Mandi in Uk

Mum to Sam 14.1.97, Dx 47XYY, Autism, Heavy Metal Toxicity

[Guest guest]

> I mailed a three by five card to the address listed on my box of

Epsom salts to ask if they contained any metals, because the box did

not indicate there was anything other than Magnesium Sulfate U.S.P. in

it. My question is if anyone can give me a specific brand of Epsom

salts that they know are safe. I bought my box at Target and it says

it is distributed by the Target Corporation.

This subject was discussed on a-m forum a few months ago, you can

search the archives if you want, or post there, I don't remember what

was decided because I don't use epsom salts for my kids.

/

>> We have been using

No-Fenol for a week now and Jojo is bouncing with energy, but not

manic.

Might be the initial 3-week period that I saw with my son. You can

try reducing the dose, see if that helps. For some kids, it is

because of yeast die off.

>> I finally stopped with the vitamins two days ago and he's going

to bed at 9pm now instead of 11pm. What would be a good (safe)

multivitamin? The Super Nu Thera we used for the past few months is

very high in Vit. B 6. Jojo seems to be short circuiting today. He's

really having to think before he can spit out words he was saying with

no problem before. I am going to give him a 1/4 tsp of the vitamins

tomorrow and see how it goes, but I'd appreciate if anyone can

recommend a vitamin that they know works well with the enzymes.

My son does not tolerate any multivitamins, altho this *appears* to be

improving with chelation. Not sure yet.

Dana

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Thanks, this is fascinating. I have many of these problems and try to

take magnesium/calcium/zinc pills. They seem to help with menstrual

cramps (used to be the most painful thing I had ever experienced!),

muscle cramps and back spasms. But I still don't think I am getting

enough.

I am terrible allergic to poison ivy and came down with a rash, as usual

that by the next day was over 90% of my body and I was beginning to get

hives. While I waited for my mom and fiance to make the doctor see me

ASAP I soaked in empsom salts. When I got out I took lots of my vit C

pills (food derived) and went to the doctor for my steroid shot. I regret

getting it now because by the next day I was 100% better and the

dangerous shot was unnecessary. I now wonder which thing did the trick,

the epsom salts or the vit C? normally when I get poison ivy I have it for

a month and the last time i was covered in hives from scalp to the bottom

of my feet. 2 days seemed like a miracle!

So, would a soak every night be too much? =) And how much in a

garden sized tub? Is hot water ok?

Dawn

> I thought I would post something that may be of benefit to people.

> Epsom salts are a great addition to a bath...the magnesium absorbs

> right through the skin. It is good for reducing insulin resistance

> too.

[Guest guest]

>. I now wonder which thing did the trick,

>the epsom salts or the vit C? normally when I get poison ivy I have it for

>a month and the last time i was covered in hives from scalp to the bottom

>of my feet. 2 days seemed like a miracle!

I don't know, but I personally witnessed a VERY cat-allergic kid

get better after one vit. C pill. Amazing.

Caladryl lotion really blocks histamines really well too, for things

like poison ivy!

>So, would a soak every night be too much? =) And how much in a

>garden sized tub? Is hot water ok?

I think all people should have a nice soak every night!

A hot bath is wonderful ... the salts might be good too ...

candlelight and a glass of your favorite beverage won't

hurt ...

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

> I don't know, but I personally witnessed a VERY cat-allergic kid

> get better after one vit. C pill. Amazing.

Maybe that had something to do with it then. =) Wish I knew that years

ago.

> Caladryl lotion really blocks histamines really well too, for things

> like poison ivy!

Doesn't do a darn thing for me =( Maybe I developed a tolerance.

> I think all people should have a nice soak every night!

> A hot bath is wonderful ... the salts might be good too ...

> candlelight and a glass of your favorite beverage won't

> hurt ...

mmm, sounds good!

Dawn

[Guest guest]

Are Epsom salts damaging to household plumbing in the long run? -Allan

[Guest guest]

I regret

> getting it now because by the next day I was 100% better and the

> dangerous shot was unnecessary. I now wonder which thing did the

trick,

> the epsom salts or the vit C?

Dawn

Or possibly the steroid shot actually helped? I hate to say it, but

the steroid probably helped a great deal. May not do your long term

health much good, but that's another point

Jo (still suffering the effects of 1 steroid shot from 4 years, even

though it helped a very bad round of hay fever at the time)

[Guest guest]

what kind of effects are yoou suffering may I ask?

Re: Epsom Salts

I regret

> getting it now because by the next day I was 100% better and the

> dangerous shot was unnecessary. I now wonder which thing did the

trick,

> the epsom salts or the vit C?

Dawn

Or possibly the steroid shot actually helped? I hate to say it, but

the steroid probably helped a great deal. May not do your long term

health much good, but that's another point

Jo (still suffering the effects of 1 steroid shot from 4 years, even

though it helped a very bad round of hay fever at the time)

[Guest guest]

> what kind of effects are yoou suffering may I ask?

Well, kind of embarrassing really. A few days after having the shot

in my backside, I got a cluster of nasty sore blisters about an inch

lower on my butt. The doc didnt know what it was, but guessed

shingles. I'd never had anything like it before.

The next bout I got exactly a year later in the same place. The

doctor said it was herpes.

I got the same thing a year later. Now I get it every few months

or so and the location moves around.

So, turns out I now have genital herpes as a result of the steroid

injection. Unless it was sheer coincidence that my long term

boyfriend passed it on to me at the same time as I had the injection,

but after 2 years in the relationship, I'd say it was unlikely, as he

never mentioned he suffered from the disease.

It probably didn't help that the day I had the injection, someone at

work came into the office suffering from shingles. The notice with

the steroid dose stated to avoid contact with anyone with shingles,

herpes and chicken pox as steroids make you more susceptible to

catching it.

Jo

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In a message dated 8/27/03 2:10:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ringothemoon@... writes:

>

> The ocean, as said previously, is high in Mg and I wonder if this is why

> people flock to the ocean to swim, surf and so on.

I was going to ask about this earlier. It seems to have interesting

philosophical implications that life originated from the ocean and that we flock

back

to it for its health-regenerating effects.

Chris

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> Browsing the web trying to find epsom salts and came across some

> research....

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0,11381,725455,00.html

This is exactly what my naturopath told me, after the fact

unfortunately, years before this study. If your bp soars in the

hospital when you're pre-eclamptic and giving birth they give you mag

sulfate intravenously. It makes you sick as a dog because they give you

a huge dose all at once, but it drops your blood pressure

precipitously. Very, very interesting. I found I arrested my

pre-eclampsia with salt-to-taste (completely contrary to standard

medical advice) and at least 110 grams of protein daily (usually

referred to as The Brewer Diet, after Dr. Tom Brewer who has long held

that pre-eclampsia is a nutritional problem). I was also on bedrest.

Lynn S.

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[Guest guest]

Yo, Ring!

I have already posted your post onto two other groups, and saved it

on my computer too. On one of the groups, several people commented

that they really appreciated the info.

Next question: How much epsom salt should one use daily in the bath?

And where can you get it in bulk, in that case? I am fruuuugal!

ring around the moon <ringothemoon@y...> wrote:

> Hi Lynn!

> I am glad to know someone was interested in what I was saying. I

am not always sure if I ought to blab on and on.

>

> You are not mistaken about the immediate results. My brother, a

soft drink addict took my advice with the Epsom Salts, and told me he

was sold using it.

[Guest guest]

I hope not. Usually the steriods help a tiny bit but I still suffer for a

couple

of weeks with the rashes. The time before last I had hives from scalp to

feet and the shot kept me from getting worse and then the pills helped me

some, but I had rashes for at least another week.

So, I am hoping it was some combination of my new diet, vit C and

epsom salts and that next time, if there is one, I can avoid the steroids.

I don't know about long term affects but I do get extremely cranky,

moody, and have unquenchable hunger and thirst during and for a week

after taking.

Dawn

> Or possibly the steroid shot actually helped? I hate to say it, but

> the steroid probably helped a great deal. May not do your long term

> health much good, but that's another point

>

> Jo (still suffering the effects of 1 steroid shot from 4 years, even

> though it helped a very bad round of hay fever at the time)