Re: C Difficile Infection

[Guest guest]

Ozonated water is your solution... anerobic means must lieve without oxygen.

If you drink ozonated water, and inject I.V. ozone, you will be free of this

anaerobic bacteria.

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Brad C <ontarioguy2334@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hey everyone,

> I've been tested and have this nasty anaerobic bacteria systemically. It is

> killing off my probiotics every time I take them. No wonder my guts are so

> acidic and inflamed. Anyone know of effective treatments other than abx for

> this infection?

>

> Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas everyone I hope your all doing well..

> Brad

>

> Here is my post on another forum:

> Get tested for Chlostridia Difficile. It can cause abdominal cramping,

> loose stools and Colitis. People with inflammatory bowel disease often have

> this anaerobic bacteria which can be resistant to treatment.

> This bug has been playing a major role in producing my subclinical gangrene

> and hyper-reactive intestines.

> C Diff can become a problem or more of a problem after abx use, hospital

> stays (its all over most hospitals).

> I got mine from infected root canals.

>

> There is a C Diff Isopathic remedy (homeopathic) that Homeocan makes. if

> you have this bug you might be a 30, 200ch potency.

>

> Oh also I noticed that the C Diff. infection kills the probiotics I take

> quite easily. Makes it very difficult to repopulate the colon with

> probiotics!

>

> Happy Holidays/ Merry Christmas everyone!

>

> Brad

>

>

>

--

" Solo después de que el último árbol sea cortado, el último río sea

envenenado,

el último pez sea apresado…Solo entonces sabrá el hombre que el dinero no se

puede comer”.

Anuk Azim

M.D.

[Guest guest]

Brad

You could try faecal transplantation which has a better than 90% success

rate for C. Diff.

Good luck.

Steve

[Guest guest]

How do you know you got C Diff from infected root canals?

Re: C Difficile Infection

Ozonated water is your solution... anerobic means must lieve without oxygen.

If you drink ozonated water, and inject I.V. ozone, you will be free of this

anaerobic bacteria.

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Brad C <ontarioguy2334@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hey everyone,

> I've been tested and have this nasty anaerobic bacteria systemically. It is

> killing off my probiotics every time I take them. No wonder my guts are so

> acidic and inflamed. Anyone know of effective treatments other than abx for

> this infection?

>

> Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas everyone I hope your all doing well..

> Brad

>

> Here is my post on another forum:

> Get tested for Chlostridia Difficile. It can cause abdominal cramping,

> loose stools and Colitis. People with inflammatory bowel disease often have

> this anaerobic bacteria which can be resistant to treatment.

> This bug has been playing a major role in producing my subclinical gangrene

> and hyper-reactive intestines.

> C Diff can become a problem or more of a problem after abx use, hospital

> stays (its all over most hospitals).

> I got mine from infected root canals.

>

> There is a C Diff Isopathic remedy (homeopathic) that Homeocan makes. if

> you have this bug you might be a 30, 200ch potency.

>

> Oh also I noticed that the C Diff. infection kills the probiotics I take

> quite easily. Makes it very difficult to repopulate the colon with

> probiotics!

>

> Happy Holidays/ Merry Christmas everyone!

>

> Brad

>

>

>

--

" Solo después de que el último árbol sea cortado, el último río sea

envenenado,

el último pez sea apresado…Solo entonces sabrá el hombre que el dinero no se

puede comerâ€.

Anuk Azim

M.D.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hey everyone,

> I've been tested and have this nasty anaerobic bacteria systemically.

Hi Brad,

So sorry to hear you've been having to deal with this!

I second Steve's suggestion that you do a fecal transfer. From everything I've

read about non-drug methods of treatment for C. diff, this appears to be one of,

if not the most effective.

Coincidentally I only just learned about this procedure recently from a thread

that's been going on for a couple of weeks on another forum. A woman there has

used it with success on both herself and her young son to help with some chronic

bowel/digestive problems.

As I understand it, you can actually do it yourself at home as an implant via an

enema. You just need to locate a healthy donor - someone who's willing to donate

their stool who has taken no antibiotics or other drugs for at least 6 months

(or preferable longer, or better yet never!) If you know anyone who has a

healthy, breast fed, non vaccinated infant, that would be ideal, especially if

the mother is healthy, eats a wholesome diet and hasn't taken any antibiotics or

other pharmaceuticals during her pregnancy.

Check out these articles with more info:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Fecal+transfer+cures+relapsing+C.+diff+infection.-\

a0193045719

http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2008/12/09/4380003-no-butts-about-it-fecal-tr\

ansplants-work-for-some

http://allnurses.com/nursing-news/fecal-transplant-c-261755-page6.html

Aside from this, taking activated charcoal slurries and/or hydrated bentonite

clay might be helpful, at least to ease the symptoms.

Good luck, and I hope you're better soon,

Elan

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Wouldn't just a nice good bacteria implant work as well?????? Why not?

>

> Steph

>

Here's how I understand it, Steph:

Ideally, a healthy human body is host to the equivalent of a massive microscopic

garden within and without it, particularly in terms of the surface of the skin

and the lining of the gut. Literally trillions of microbes - more in number than

we have actual cells in our body - inhabit, coexist with, and are in fact

synergystically a part of the very fiber of our being.

This means that contained within a healthy intestinal tract is a vast collection

of a myriad of different microbes which exist in a variety of different forms.

What many people don't realize is that many of what we consider to be

potentially pathogenic microbes, such as candida albicans, salmonella, e-coli

and even in some people c. diff, are all bugs that normally live and coexist

right alongside, and in symbiosis with, what we think of as being the 'friendly

flora' inside of us.

The key point is that as long as we are consistently properly nourished and

hydrated; as long as we are able to cope in a manageable way with stress and

remain reasonably active; and as long as our bodies are able to properly

detoxify and cleanse themselves, a delicate balance is maintained within. And

it's the maintenance of this homeostasis which translates into vibrant health.

It's when things go out of balance that chronic, and sometimes acute, illnesses

can begin to affect us.

The truth is that even the best man made probiotics can only provide a limited

spectrum of beneficial bugs. However in comparison, a healthy human gut is home

to unimaginable numbers and varieties of microbial flora. And in a healthy

person, these microbes exist in a synergetic balance.

Therefore, a 'nice bacteria' implant, which I assume you mean would come from

some sort of probiotic, could never even begin to compare in microbial

diversity, balance and effectiveness, to a fecal transfer from a healthy person.

Plus, I've read a number of resources citing the effectiveness of fecal

transfers for the treatment of people with c. diff, however I've not come across

any which testify to the effectiveness of a probiotic implant in healing people

from this virulent illness.

That's my best understanding at this point, although I'm always open and

striving to learning and understanding such things more deeply.

Elan

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Hmmmm, well then, maybe a fecal transplant would heal a lot more

> diseases than just C Difficile??? Like the chronic intestinal candida

> I have been unable to erradicate? Or other intestinal diseases??

Yes, I've heard it being effective for treating some chronic digestive

challenges like IBS and ulcerative colitis. Not sure about its use for candida

though.

> I saw a tv program a long time ago where people with

> incurable illnesses were eating rotton meats for the bacteria and some

> were claiming they got well.

There's a man named Aajonus Vonderplanitz who's a huge proponent of just that.

He's over 60, eats raw " high meat " as he calls it, is very healthy and seems

especially strong and robust for his age. He says he was very sick when he was

younger and his " primal diet " cured him. Here's an interview where he describes

how ill he was before he changed his diet:

http://drbass.com/aajonus.html

> I am supposeing high bacterial foods would not do much good either in

> such cases, such as sauerkraut, kefir etc..?

My understanding is that fermented foods like sauerkraut and kefir etc are some

of the most therapeutic and healing foods any of us can eat - especially people

who are chronically ill, most of whom suffer from dysbiosis of the gut. The only

challenge is that introducing such microbe-rich foods to the gut can cause die

off in some people, so going slow with them and supporting the body with

detoxing can be really helpful in those cases.

Elan

[Guest guest]

THanks for your reply Automn. Its interesting you mentioned lemongrass

essential oil I've always been attracted to it maybe that's cuz I need it.

I'm already on Clove Bud essential oil I put a drop or two in a coffee enema

along with magnesium oil, castor oil (in the enema tube so it's forced into the

body b4 the coffee), epsom salts and apple cider vinegar.

I've been doing coffee enemas for a long time so I've gradually integrated all

of these things together.

clove bud essential oil is going after my c diff infection and nanobacteria

infection. It's very effective but I'd like to try the lemongrass too.

Happy new years to you.

Brad

> >

> > Hmmmm, well then, maybe a fecal transplant would heal a lot more

> > diseases than just C Difficile??? Like the chronic intestinal candida

> > I have been unable to erradicate? Or other intestinal diseases??

> > What an awful way to have to go though, yuk. But as they say, what

> > ever works. I saw a tv program a long time ago where people with

> > incurable illnesses were eating rotton meats for the bacteria and some

> > were claiming they got well. Probably this works in a similar way but

> > sounds awfully riskey to me.

> > I am supposeing high bacterial foods would not do much good either in

> > such cases, such as sauerkraut, kefir etc..?

> >

> > Steph

> >

>

[Guest guest]

hey Elan thankyou for the advice along with Steves on the fecal transfer. I

thought I've heard of everything until this ! lol. Optics aside I've tried some

crazy things t o get better I think this would top the list. But if it works it

works!

The universe works in interesting ways to tip you off to do something that your

body needs. I've never come across a video talking about poop transfers until

this one. It's not like I was even searching for poop transfers on youtube in

fact it's something I like to avoid if possible lol But this came up in my

search for funny videos on youtube a few weeks back, thought I'd share it with

you guys:

Ok I will check out those links and consider trying it. I might continue with

what I'm doing I'm adding in a few t hings to my protocol including the ozone

insuffilation and olive leaf extract. Hopefully that will get me 'going' again!

> >

> > Hey everyone,

> > I've been tested and have this nasty anaerobic bacteria systemically.

>

> Hi Brad,

>

> So sorry to hear you've been having to deal with this!

>

> I second Steve's suggestion that you do a fecal transfer. From everything I've

read about non-drug methods of treatment for C. diff, this appears to be one of,

if not the most effective.

>

> Coincidentally I only just learned about this procedure recently from a thread

that's been going on for a couple of weeks on another forum. A woman there has

used it with success on both herself and her young son to help with some chronic

bowel/digestive problems.

>

> As I understand it, you can actually do it yourself at home as an implant via

an enema. You just need to locate a healthy donor - someone who's willing to

donate their stool who has taken no antibiotics or other drugs for at least 6

months (or preferable longer, or better yet never!) If you know anyone who has a

healthy, breast fed, non vaccinated infant, that would be ideal, especially if

the mother is healthy, eats a wholesome diet and hasn't taken any antibiotics or

other pharmaceuticals during her pregnancy.

>

>

> Check out these articles with more info:

>

>

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Fecal+transfer+cures+relapsing+C.+diff+infection.-\

a0193045719

>

>

http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2008/12/09/4380003-no-butts-about-it-fecal-tr\

ansplants-work-for-some

>

> http://allnurses.com/nursing-news/fecal-transplant-c-261755-page6.html

>

>

> Aside from this, taking activated charcoal slurries and/or hydrated bentonite

clay might be helpful, at least to ease the symptoms.

>

> Good luck, and I hope you're better soon,

>

> Elan

>

[Guest guest]

I wish the probiotics worked for me but within hours they are killed off by the

acids and toxins in my guts. I've been on numerous probiotics some of the

best and nothing has worked. Even my intuition is telling me that they are

getting killed by these other infections. C Diff has been seen under a

microscope killing acidophilus.. I read about that on one of the C Diff info

pages.

So what I'm trying is some sourcrout (sp?) about 30 mins before the probiotics

that way it acts sort of like a prebiotic and help keep them alive for longer.

I'm also on kombucha which is a great prebiotic. I'm buying some liquid

kombucha from a lady in toronto who sells it. It's called Fairy's Tonic.

>

>

> Hmmmm, well then, maybe a fecal transplant would heal a lot more

> diseases than just C Difficile??? Like the chronic intestinal candida

> I have been unable to erradicate? Or other intestinal diseases??

> What an awful way to have to go though, yuk. But as they say, what

> ever works. I saw a tv program a long time ago where people with

> incurable illnesses were eating rotton meats for the bacteria and some

> were claiming they got well. Probably this works in a similar way but

> sounds awfully riskey to me.

> I am supposeing high bacterial foods would not do much good either in

> such cases, such as sauerkraut, kefir etc..?

>

> Steph

>

[Guest guest]

Dr Korman who used to be the head of Cardiology performs Dowsing (pendulum

testing) he ascertained that both C Diff and C Perferigens came from my root

canals.

I've also had bone loss and massive inflammation in the bones of my face, skull

and spine along with some brain swelling.

Signs and symptoms of osteonecrosis as well but since my immune system is so

suppressed a positive for bone infection was never ascertained. These scans

rely heavily on white blood cell activity....

>

>

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Hey everyone,

>

> > I've been tested and have this nasty anaerobic bacteria systemically. It is

>

> > killing off my probiotics every time I take them. No wonder my guts are so

>

> > acidic and inflamed. Anyone know of effective treatments other than abx for

>

> > this infection?

>

> >

>

> > Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas everyone I hope your all doing well..

>

> > Brad

>

> >

>

> > Here is my post on another forum:

>

> > Get tested for Chlostridia Difficile. It can cause abdominal cramping,

>

> > loose stools and Colitis. People with inflammatory bowel disease often have

>

> > this anaerobic bacteria which can be resistant to treatment.

>

> > This bug has been playing a major role in producing my subclinical gangrene

>

> > and hyper-reactive intestines.

>

> > C Diff can become a problem or more of a problem after abx use, hospital

>

> > stays (its all over most hospitals).

>

> > I got mine from infected root canals.

>

> >

>

> > There is a C Diff Isopathic remedy (homeopathic) that Homeocan makes. if

>

> > you have this bug you might be a 30, 200ch potency.

>

> >

>

> > Oh also I noticed that the C Diff. infection kills the probiotics I take

>

> > quite easily. Makes it very difficult to repopulate the colon with

>

> > probiotics!

>

> >

>

> > Happy Holidays/ Merry Christmas everyone!

>

> >

>

> > Brad

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --

>

> " Solo después de que el último árbol sea cortado, el último río sea

>

> envenenado,

>

> el último pez sea apresado…Solo entonces sabrá el hombre que el dinero no

se

>

>

>

> puede comerâ€.

>

> Anuk Azim

>

>

>

> M.D.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dr for triggering my intuition to use the ozone gas again. I have

my own ozone generator here and use welding grade 02 which is just as good as

medical grade. I'm doing the ozone insuffilations as well as coffee enemas and

a bunch of other stuff. However I'm known in the Lyme community as a non

responder. I have to integrate several treatments and supplements together

before I get any noticeable improvement in my health. One reason is that I'm

chronically constipated for years now have something called " toxic mega colon " .

I also have Ischemic Colitis and a 'Frozen Diaphragm'. To top it all off I have

a systemic Nanobacteria infection that I got from vaccinations which is making

my intestines and brain hard. They poop calcium oxalate.

So I can kill bugs and liberate toxins in my body but I don't eliminate most of

them because my constipation gets worse at even the smallest dose of most any

supplement/treatment.

I'm already using far infrared sauna, ionic foot patches (the ionic foot baths

didn't agree with my body) and a mini trampoline to help get things moving.

The gut nerves are also affected which messes up my parastalsis On the right

side of my body parastalsis goes in the correct direction but on the left side

it's in the opposite direction. So that is something I'm working on healing

too. I'm on sublingual b vitamin complex, phosphatityl serines from AOR and

Coconut oil to heal the peripheral nerves leading to the guts.

if you have any other suggestions on how to help with this 'syndrome' that I

have then I would appreciate it.

I might try Holy tea as I've heard some amazing things about it!

Thanks again!

>

> >

> >

> > Hey everyone,

> > I've been tested and have this nasty anaerobic bacteria systemically. It is

> > killing off my probiotics every time I take them. No wonder my guts are so

> > acidic and inflamed. Anyone know of effective treatments other than abx for

> > this infection?

> >

> > Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas everyone I hope your all doing well..

> > Brad

> >

> > Here is my post on another forum:

> > Get tested for Chlostridia Difficile. It can cause abdominal cramping,

> > loose stools and Colitis. People with inflammatory bowel disease often have

> > this anaerobic bacteria which can be resistant to treatment.

> > This bug has been playing a major role in producing my subclinical gangrene

> > and hyper-reactive intestines.

> > C Diff can become a problem or more of a problem after abx use, hospital

> > stays (its all over most hospitals).

> > I got mine from infected root canals.

> >

> > There is a C Diff Isopathic remedy (homeopathic) that Homeocan makes. if

> > you have this bug you might be a 30, 200ch potency.

> >

> > Oh also I noticed that the C Diff. infection kills the probiotics I take

> > quite easily. Makes it very difficult to repopulate the colon with

> > probiotics!

> >

> > Happy Holidays/ Merry Christmas everyone!

> >

> > Brad

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> " Solo después de que el último árbol sea cortado, el último río sea

> envenenado,

> el último pez sea apresado…Solo entonces sabrá el hombre que el dinero no se

>

> puede comer " .

> Anuk Azim

>

> M.D.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh I also forgot to mention, I've done ozone gas syringe push with an MD. I did

this 3x a week for about 5 months also at the same time I was doing daily rectal

insuffilations and drinking ozone water. It didn't resolve my health

problems...my veins are in terrible shape from chronic infections which is

probably leading to poor tissue perfusion of the ozone. So bascially it's not

getting to the sites of infection due to poor circulation. And also when my

veins scared up which is another issue I have is building up scar tissue

internally and externally. I couldn't do the ozone through the vein anymore.

I've also completed 63 1.5 hour sessions of Hyperbaric chamber every day at 2.4

atmospheres. Felt better but again ran out of money and just relapsed.

Sorry for all the posts guys but I want to explain the whole scenario.

>

> >

> >

> > Hey everyone,

> > I've been tested and have this nasty anaerobic bacteria systemically. It is

> > killing off my probiotics every time I take them. No wonder my guts are so

> > acidic and inflamed. Anyone know of effective treatments other than abx for

> > this infection?

> >

> > Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas everyone I hope your all doing well..

> > Brad

> >

> > Here is my post on another forum:

> > Get tested for Chlostridia Difficile. It can cause abdominal cramping,

> > loose stools and Colitis. People with inflammatory bowel disease often have

> > this anaerobic bacteria which can be resistant to treatment.

> > This bug has been playing a major role in producing my subclinical gangrene

> > and hyper-reactive intestines.

> > C Diff can become a problem or more of a problem after abx use, hospital

> > stays (its all over most hospitals).

> > I got mine from infected root canals.

> >

> > There is a C Diff Isopathic remedy (homeopathic) that Homeocan makes. if

> > you have this bug you might be a 30, 200ch potency.

> >

> > Oh also I noticed that the C Diff. infection kills the probiotics I take

> > quite easily. Makes it very difficult to repopulate the colon with

> > probiotics!

> >

> > Happy Holidays/ Merry Christmas everyone!

> >

> > Brad

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> " Solo después de que el último árbol sea cortado, el último río sea

> envenenado,

> el último pez sea apresado…Solo entonces sabrá el hombre que el dinero no se

>

> puede comer " .

> Anuk Azim

>

> M.D.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> if you have any other suggestions on how to help with this 'syndrome' that I

have then I would appreciate it.

>

Brad,

So sorry to hear about these health challenges.

May I ask, what is your diet like?

Also, is the sauerkraut you've been eating homemade and raw?

Just wondering how you're addressing things diet-wise if you'd care to share.

Elan

[Guest guest]

I'm eating very healthy foods now. I used to be on the Standard Canadian diet

like most others here. But for the past 7 years I've been eating mostly

organic, lightly steamed veg and raw org fruits. Nuts, seeds, hummus etc. I

eat free range organic red meat about 2x a week. But not very much.

Quinoa, millet are things I'm consuming more of. I can't tolerate goat milk or

cow.

Any other suggestions I'd appreciate Elan. The sourcrout is just store bought

stuff. Is making your own that much better?

Sorry if I haven't gotten back to all these very kind replies i've been

overwhelemed lately.

Brad

> >

> >

> >

> > if you have any other suggestions on how to help with this 'syndrome' that

I have then I would appreciate it.

> >

>

>

> Brad,

>

> So sorry to hear about these health challenges.

>

> May I ask, what is your diet like?

>

> Also, is the sauerkraut you've been eating homemade and raw?

>

> Just wondering how you're addressing things diet-wise if you'd care to share.

>

> Elan

>