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It is usually happen after GB removal - Bike reflux. You had it before too but

now it will be worse though some people benefit from removal and don`t have

reflux. It is dangerous condition.

You can subscribe to GERDsupport group and find info about Bile reflux in Search

and Files.

--- In gallstones , " sunnyweather1983 " <sunnyweather1983@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi everyone, my name is and I'm 27 years old. All summer I've been

working as a Parking Enforcement Officer riding a 50cc scooter nine hours daily

writing tickets. Each day I ate poorly and didn't take good care of myself

smoking and drinking many beers after work.

>

>

> Also while sitting behind cars in traffic I was holding my breath very long,

which I believe has something to do with my condition now.

>

>

> First I started to get heartburn. Then I got this pain in my chest and a

really messed up feeling in my throat that felt like there was something there.

>

>

> Day after day I couldn't take it no more going to the E.R and Dr's'. The pain

was too much. I went through hell to get an answer. The HIDA scan at 19% didn't

convince two surgeons that it's the gallbladder causing all my pain.

>

>

> Finally the 3rd surgeon took it out.

>

>

> Right now, 11 days after the surgery I have such severe pain... It's in my

chest and even in the back. I think it's radiating from under the right side of

the ribcage but...

>

>

> Did anyone have pain like this???

>

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You ask these 'doctors' to discuss Gallbladder, and they all usually want to

remove it.  Now they can use your money to buy a new car, add a wing on their

house, etc...

You should try losing some weight maybe, exercising, eating well, try burping

now and then, and drink plenty of water.

I would never have removed my GB...

Keep the info coming.

Jay

From: IMS <imsinfo@...>

Subject: Re: GALLBLADDER - Severe pain before and after removal.

NIGHTMARE...

gallstones

Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 10:21 AM

 

It is usually happen after GB removal - Bike reflux. You had it before too

but now it will be worse though some people benefit from removal and don`t have

reflux. It is dangerous condition.

You can subscribe to GERDsupport group and find info about Bile reflux in Search

and Files.

--- In gallstones , " sunnyweather1983 " <sunnyweather1983@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi everyone, my name is and I'm 27 years old. All summer I've been

working as a Parking Enforcement Officer riding a 50cc scooter nine hours daily

writing tickets. Each day I ate poorly and didn't take good care of myself

smoking and drinking many beers after work.

>

>

> Also while sitting behind cars in traffic I was holding my breath very long,

which I believe has something to do with my condition now.

>

>

> First I started to get heartburn. Then I got this pain in my chest and a

really messed up feeling in my throat that felt like there was something there.

>

>

> Day after day I couldn't take it no more going to the E.R and Dr's'. The pain

was too much. I went through hell to get an answer. The HIDA scan at 19% didn't

convince two surgeons that it's the gallbladder causing all my pain.

>

>

> Finally the 3rd surgeon took it out.

>

>

> Right now, 11 days after the surgery I have such severe pain... It's in my

chest and even in the back. I think it's radiating from under the right side of

the ribcage but...

>

>

> Did anyone have pain like this???

>

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Read the s Moritz book if you can.  Enzymes should always be taken after

g.b. removal, too. 

Good luck to you,

herbladie

 

 

You ask these 'doctors' to discuss Gallbladder, and they all usually want to

remove it.  Now they can use your money to buy a new car, add a wing on their

house, etc...

You should try losing some weight maybe, exercising, eating well, try burping

now and then, and drink plenty of water.

I would never have removed my GB...

Keep the info coming.

Jay

 

It is usually happen after GB removal - Bike reflux. You had it before too but

now it will be worse though some people benefit from removal and don`t have

reflux. It is dangerous condition.

You can subscribe to GERDsupport group and find info about Bile reflux in Search

and Files.

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Dear Mr. Sunnyweather,

It sounds like surgeon #3 acted inappropriately and I would be extremely upset

that he removed my GB after 2 other surgeons would not. As you are experiencing

the same pain as before the GB was removed - I would demand to know what was

the basis for surgeon # 3 to proceed with the surgery after the first 2 surgeons

did not think it was you GB!

This is a very serious thing that #3 did - I would demand to know what caused

him to override the other 2 surgeons especially now that you are experiencing

identical symptoms. Sounds to me like you have a very good case for a law suit-

although I dislike the idea of litigating, the facts as you state them warrant a

close look at litigation if for no other reason than to stop this surgeon from

performing unnecessary surgeries on others. Again, if the facts are as you

stated them then this doctor is incompetent and you should consider taking some

sort of action to demonstrate to him that there are consequences to moving

forward without being sure of what the problem is.

As for your current problem-

have you seen any other doctors? suggest an alternative health care specialist.

What part of the country are you in? How are your bowel movements? digestion?

how long does the pain last? is it a sharp pain? does it come in waves? when it

starts how long does it last? does it incapacitate you? does it come on after

you eat? do you have a lot of gas after you eat. - more info you can provide the

better

good luck

On Jan 14, 2011, at 8:16 PM, sunnyweather1983 wrote:

> Hi everyone, my name is and I'm 27 years old. All summer I've been

working as a Parking Enforcement Officer riding a 50cc scooter nine hours daily

writing tickets. Each day I ate poorly and didn't take good care of myself

smoking and drinking many beers after work.

>

> Also while sitting behind cars in traffic I was holding my breath very long,

which I believe has something to do with my condition now.

>

> First I started to get heartburn. Then I got this pain in my chest and a

really messed up feeling in my throat that felt like there was something there.

>

> Day after day I couldn't take it no more going to the E.R and Dr's'. The pain

was too much. I went through hell to get an answer. The HIDA scan at 19% didn't

convince two surgeons that it's the gallbladder causing all my pain.

>

> Finally the 3rd surgeon took it out.

>

> Right now, 11 days after the surgery I have such severe pain... It's in my

chest and even in the back. I think it's radiating from under the right side of

the ribcage but...

>

> Did anyone have pain like this???

>

>

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None of your original symptoms sound like gall bladder to me, but I don't know

what the rest of the group would say. Three things jumped out out me...drinking,

poor diet and the indigestion. All of these things I've had. The pain that you

describe in chest and throat could be from weeks, or months of irritation of the

stomach and esophagus. Diet is absolutely key to recovery and it sounds like you

could do with some fasting. Stop eating for a few days and drink only water with

a little fresh lemon squeezed in it and see if your symptoms improve. You need

to stay away from all the things you know are bad, fast food, smoking, drinking.

If the fasting helps, you will know your problem has to do with what's going in

your mouth. In the meantime, I would make sure you don't have some complication

from the surgery. Have you been in communication with your surgeon and shared

this information with him or her? Also in the meantime, research healthy diets

on the internet. There are cheap ways to eat well. Oh, and be absolutely sure

to stay away from sugar and soda, processed foods, junk food, etc. Soda never

fails to give me indigestion...and I mean NEVER. Good luck

--- In gallstones , " sunnyweather1983 " <sunnyweather1983@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi everyone, my name is and I'm 27 years old. All summer I've been

working as a Parking Enforcement Officer riding a 50cc scooter nine hours daily

writing tickets. Each day I ate poorly and didn't take good care of myself

smoking and drinking many beers after work.

>

>

> Also while sitting behind cars in traffic I was holding my breath very long,

which I believe has something to do with my condition now.

>

>

> First I started to get heartburn. Then I got this pain in my chest and a

really messed up feeling in my throat that felt like there was something there.

>

>

> Day after day I couldn't take it no more going to the E.R and Dr's'. The pain

was too much. I went through hell to get an answer. The HIDA scan at 19% didn't

convince two surgeons that it's the gallbladder causing all my pain.

>

>

> Finally the 3rd surgeon took it out.

>

>

> Right now, 11 days after the surgery I have such severe pain... It's in my

chest and even in the back. I think it's radiating from under the right side of

the ribcage but...

>

>

> Did anyone have pain like this???

>

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Thank you. Do you know anything else I should suspect that might be giving me

this pain? It's a weird kind of pain but it's excruciating. It is there under

the ribcage on the right side and now severely my back is killing me and also

why does it reflect to the chest? I had chest x-rays, blood work, pancreas test,

lyme d. test and they are good. I am thinking of ulcers or crohns. Last year I

had blood work for hemacromatosis and was informed i have a gene that might

summon it. What do you think???

>

> It is usually happen after GB removal - Bike reflux. You had it before too but

now it will be worse though some people benefit from removal and don`t have

reflux. It is dangerous condition.

> You can subscribe to GERDsupport group and find info about Bile reflux in

Search and Files.

>

>

>

> --- In gallstones , " sunnyweather1983 " <sunnyweather1983@>

wrote:

> >

> > Hi everyone, my name is and I'm 27 years old. All summer I've been

working as a Parking Enforcement Officer riding a 50cc scooter nine hours daily

writing tickets. Each day I ate poorly and didn't take good care of myself

smoking and drinking many beers after work.

> >

> >

> > Also while sitting behind cars in traffic I was holding my breath very long,

which I believe has something to do with my condition now.

> >

> >

> > First I started to get heartburn. Then I got this pain in my chest and a

really messed up feeling in my throat that felt like there was something there.

> >

> >

> > Day after day I couldn't take it no more going to the E.R and Dr's'. The

pain was too much. I went through hell to get an answer. The HIDA scan at 19%

didn't convince two surgeons that it's the gallbladder causing all my pain.

> >

> >

> > Finally the 3rd surgeon took it out.

> >

> >

> > Right now, 11 days after the surgery I have such severe pain... It's in my

chest and even in the back. I think it's radiating from under the right side of

the ribcage but...

> >

> >

> > Did anyone have pain like this???

> >

>

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Thank you. You know before the surgery I was in so much agony because of the

pain in the chest and feeling in throat. The pain in the back was not allowing

me to live and I was crying. no doctor pushed me into anything. Really they

didn't want to do it but I was sure that there was no other way to live and I

begged them with tears in my eyes. Please believe me that the last surgeon is an

angel. I had it removed 14 days ago now and the pain hasn't changed except I

don't have any of those terrible attacks that mimic a heart attack. I had those

and earlier had no idea what it was. It hurts me 24/7 under the rib there, in my

chest, throat, and back. What do you think? Can it be an ulcer of some sort or

maybe what? I reaearched but...

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> From: IMS <imsinfo@...>

> Subject: Re: GALLBLADDER - Severe pain before and after removal.

NIGHTMARE...

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too but now it will be worse though some people benefit from removal and don`t

have reflux. It is dangerous condition.

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> You can subscribe to GERDsupport group and find info about Bile reflux in

Search and Files.

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working as a Parking Enforcement Officer riding a 50cc scooter nine hours daily

writing tickets. Each day I ate poorly and didn't take good care of myself

smoking and drinking many beers after work.

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Thank's, I need to look into that. Why is it hurting me?

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> Read the s Moritz book if you can.  Enzymes should always be taken

after g.b. removal, too. 

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> You ask these 'doctors' to discuss Gallbladder, and they all usually want to

remove it.  Now they can use your money to buy a new car, add a wing on their

house, etc...

> You should try losing some weight maybe, exercising, eating well, try burping

now and then, and drink plenty of water.

> I would never have removed my GB...

> Keep the info coming.

> Jay

>  

> It is usually happen after GB removal - Bike reflux. You had it before too but

now it will be worse though some people benefit from removal and don`t have

reflux. It is dangerous condition.

> You can subscribe to GERDsupport group and find info about Bile reflux in

Search and Files.

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I'll say thank's agaian, it doesn't hurt right? It hurts in my abdomen and back.

Tightness feeling. Why???

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> ,

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> None of your original symptoms sound like gall bladder to me, but I don't know

what the rest of the group would say. Three things jumped out out me...drinking,

poor diet and the indigestion. All of these things I've had. The pain that you

describe in chest and throat could be from weeks, or months of irritation of the

stomach and esophagus. Diet is absolutely key to recovery and it sounds like you

could do with some fasting. Stop eating for a few days and drink only water with

a little fresh lemon squeezed in it and see if your symptoms improve. You need

to stay away from all the things you know are bad, fast food, smoking, drinking.

If the fasting helps, you will know your problem has to do with what's going in

your mouth. In the meantime, I would make sure you don't have some complication

from the surgery. Have you been in communication with your surgeon and shared

this information with him or her? Also in the meantime, research healthy diets

on the internet. There are cheap ways to eat well. Oh, and be absolutely sure

to stay away from sugar and soda, processed foods, junk food, etc. Soda never

fails to give me indigestion...and I mean NEVER. Good luck

>

>

> --- In gallstones , " sunnyweather1983 " <sunnyweather1983@>

wrote:

> >

> > Hi everyone, my name is and I'm 27 years old. All summer I've been

working as a Parking Enforcement Officer riding a 50cc scooter nine hours daily

writing tickets. Each day I ate poorly and didn't take good care of myself

smoking and drinking many beers after work.

> >

> >

> > Also while sitting behind cars in traffic I was holding my breath very long,

which I believe has something to do with my condition now.

> >

> >

> > First I started to get heartburn. Then I got this pain in my chest and a

really messed up feeling in my throat that felt like there was something there.

> >

> >

> > Day after day I couldn't take it no more going to the E.R and Dr's'. The

pain was too much. I went through hell to get an answer. The HIDA scan at 19%

didn't convince two surgeons that it's the gallbladder causing all my pain.

> >

> >

> > Finally the 3rd surgeon took it out.

> >

> >

> > Right now, 11 days after the surgery I have such severe pain... It's in my

chest and even in the back. I think it's radiating from under the right side of

the ribcage but...

> >

> >

> > Did anyone have pain like this???

> >

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Hello sir. Thank you for what you are saying and for the concern. I know that if

we all put our minds together we can make me live again. I didn't write clearly

so I will clarify now. Five months of this pain and frequent E.R. visits were

exhausting. Especially when everybody was telling me quote: " you need it out " .

The E.R. doctors said this and that. The surgeons said other. Friends said even

different. It was all up to me and to what I was feeling. I had no other option

but to hope for the best. The woman surgeon 3rd saw the tears in my eyes and

agreed to my wish. I did have the gallbladder attacks mimicking heart attacks

and now I don't. I must've had more than one problem and the gallbladder

might've just been the little one. It might be that I waited to long for the

surgery and now my body can't forget how it is not to have pain. I know how it

sounds...

It is so hard to find out what is wrong with me without insurance and refferals

to free health clinics miles and miles away in different cities. Some of these

Dr's. think I'm crazy but I'm not. I live in Virginia Beach, Va. My bowel

movements are good. I think digestion too but like I said something about the

throat and esophagus is not right. I do have a slight weird taste too but not as

acidy as heartburn. Sir the pain is so bad!!! It lasts all the time under the

rib, in the chest and back, headache, tiredness. It hurts worse when I'm hungry

but hurts also after I eat. I don't eat no crap anymore I've studied a perfect

diet. The last thing is that I can't do anything but pray and hope that either

the G.I. on tuesday might come up with something or that a miracle can happen

and tomorrow it will go away on it's own. I am incapacitated. I am disabled...

:(

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> > Hi everyone, my name is and I'm 27 years old. All summer I've been

working as a Parking Enforcement Officer riding a 50cc scooter nine hours daily

writing tickets. Each day I ate poorly and didn't take good care of myself

smoking and drinking many beers after work.

> >

> > Also while sitting behind cars in traffic I was holding my breath very long,

which I believe has something to do with my condition now.

> >

> > First I started to get heartburn. Then I got this pain in my chest and a

really messed up feeling in my throat that felt like there was something there.

> >

> > Day after day I couldn't take it no more going to the E.R and Dr's'. The

pain was too much. I went through hell to get an answer. The HIDA scan at 19%

didn't convince two surgeons that it's the gallbladder causing all my pain.

> >

> > Finally the 3rd surgeon took it out.

> >

> > Right now, 11 days after the surgery I have such severe pain... It's in my

chest and even in the back. I think it's radiating from under the right side of

the ribcage but...

> >

> > Did anyone have pain like this???

> >

> >

>

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How much to you weigh and how tall are you?

On Jan 17, 2011, at 1:56 AM, sunnyweather1983 wrote:

> I'll say thank's agaian, it doesn't hurt right? It hurts in my abdomen and

back. Tightness feeling. Why???

>

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> >

> >

> > ,

> >

> > None of your original symptoms sound like gall bladder to me, but I don't

know what the rest of the group would say. Three things jumped out out

me...drinking, poor diet and the indigestion. All of these things I've had. The

pain that you describe in chest and throat could be from weeks, or months of

irritation of the stomach and esophagus. Diet is absolutely key to recovery and

it sounds like you could do with some fasting. Stop eating for a few days and

drink only water with a little fresh lemon squeezed in it and see if your

symptoms improve. You need to stay away from all the things you know are bad,

fast food, smoking, drinking. If the fasting helps, you will know your problem

has to do with what's going in your mouth. In the meantime, I would make sure

you don't have some complication from the surgery. Have you been in

communication with your surgeon and shared this information with him or her?

Also in the meantime, research healthy diets on the internet. There are cheap

ways to eat well. Oh, and be absolutely sure to stay away from sugar and soda,

processed foods, junk food, etc. Soda never fails to give me indigestion...and I

mean NEVER. Good luck

> >

> >

> > --- In gallstones , " sunnyweather1983 " <sunnyweather1983@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi everyone, my name is and I'm 27 years old. All summer I've been

working as a Parking Enforcement Officer riding a 50cc scooter nine hours daily

writing tickets. Each day I ate poorly and didn't take good care of myself

smoking and drinking many beers after work.

> > >

> > >

> > > Also while sitting behind cars in traffic I was holding my breath very

long, which I believe has something to do with my condition now.

> > >

> > >

> > > First I started to get heartburn. Then I got this pain in my chest and a

really messed up feeling in my throat that felt like there was something there.

> > >

> > >

> > > Day after day I couldn't take it no more going to the E.R and Dr's'. The

pain was too much. I went through hell to get an answer. The HIDA scan at 19%

didn't convince two surgeons that it's the gallbladder causing all my pain.

> > >

> > >

> > > Finally the 3rd surgeon took it out.

> > >

> > >

> > > Right now, 11 days after the surgery I have such severe pain... It's in my

chest and even in the back. I think it's radiating from under the right side of

the ribcage but...

> > >

> > >

> > > Did anyone have pain like this???

> > >

> >

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You may have a serious case of heartburn. This can be triggered by H Pylori

infection in the stomach. These bugs actually drill into the mucosal lining of

the stomach and secrete and alkaline solution, the body eventually recognizes

that there is too much alkalinity in the stomach and begins secreting more

stomach acid. Hence the acid up the esophagus.

However some people also have heartburn due to LOW stomach acid. I would do a

trial of Manuka honey first. If you get any relief from your symptoms then it

is caused by H Pylori. Manuka is way more powerful in terms of antibacterial

properties compared to other honeys. I cured my chronic heartburn with Manuka

and I also cured the H Pylori infection at the same time. If there is no change

I would look into low stomach acid.

Here is a website talking about heartburn being treated with Manuka:

http://www.manukahoneyusa.com/h-pylori.htm

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> None of your original symptoms sound like gall bladder to me, but I don't know

what the rest of the group would say. Three things jumped out out me...drinking,

poor diet and the indigestion. All of these things I've had. The pain that you

describe in chest and throat could be from weeks, or months of irritation of the

stomach and esophagus. Diet is absolutely key to recovery and it sounds like you

could do with some fasting. Stop eating for a few days and drink only water with

a little fresh lemon squeezed in it and see if your symptoms improve. You need

to stay away from all the things you know are bad, fast food, smoking, drinking.

If the fasting helps, you will know your problem has to do with what's going in

your mouth. In the meantime, I would make sure you don't have some complication

from the surgery. Have you been in communication with your surgeon and shared

this information with him or her? Also in the meantime, research healthy diets

on the internet. There are cheap ways to eat well. Oh, and be absolutely sure

to stay away from sugar and soda, processed foods, junk food, etc. Soda never

fails to give me indigestion...and I mean NEVER. Good luck

>

>

> --- In gallstones , " sunnyweather1983 " <sunnyweather1983@>

wrote:

> >

> > Hi everyone, my name is and I'm 27 years old. All summer I've been

working as a Parking Enforcement Officer riding a 50cc scooter nine hours daily

writing tickets. Each day I ate poorly and didn't take good care of myself

smoking and drinking many beers after work.

> >

> >

> > Also while sitting behind cars in traffic I was holding my breath very long,

which I believe has something to do with my condition now.

> >

> >

> > First I started to get heartburn. Then I got this pain in my chest and a

really messed up feeling in my throat that felt like there was something there.

> >

> >

> > Day after day I couldn't take it no more going to the E.R and Dr's'. The

pain was too much. I went through hell to get an answer. The HIDA scan at 19%

didn't convince two surgeons that it's the gallbladder causing all my pain.

> >

> >

> > Finally the 3rd surgeon took it out.

> >

> >

> > Right now, 11 days after the surgery I have such severe pain... It's in my

chest and even in the back. I think it's radiating from under the right side of

the ribcage but...

> >

> >

> > Did anyone have pain like this???

> >

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If you want to know all possible reasons for pain go to Wrongdiagnosis.com and

list your symptoms. After that you can choose some reasons you think more

appropriate. Right side pain is from Gb usually but pain in the chest from

reflux and it radiates everywhere.

Did you try antacids like Maalox? You can take also Liquid Calcium or

even over the counter PPI meds. Adsk pharmacy and take to see if it help. If

helps it is GERD or reflux for sure.

> >

> > It is usually happen after GB removal - Bike reflux. You had it before too

but now it will be worse though some people benefit from removal and don`t have

reflux. It is dangerous condition.

> > You can subscribe to GERDsupport group and find info about Bile reflux in

Search and Files.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- In gallstones , " sunnyweather1983 " <sunnyweather1983@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi everyone, my name is and I'm 27 years old. All summer I've been

working as a Parking Enforcement Officer riding a 50cc scooter nine hours daily

writing tickets. Each day I ate poorly and didn't take good care of myself

smoking and drinking many beers after work.

> > >

> > >

> > > Also while sitting behind cars in traffic I was holding my breath very

long, which I believe has something to do with my condition now.

> > >

> > >

> > > First I started to get heartburn. Then I got this pain in my chest and a

really messed up feeling in my throat that felt like there was something there.

> > >

> > >

> > > Day after day I couldn't take it no more going to the E.R and Dr's'. The

pain was too much. I went through hell to get an answer. The HIDA scan at 19%

didn't convince two surgeons that it's the gallbladder causing all my pain.

> > >

> > >

> > > Finally the 3rd surgeon took it out.

> > >

> > >

> > > Right now, 11 days after the surgery I have such severe pain... It's in my

chest and even in the back. I think it's radiating from under the right side of

the ribcage but...

> > >

> > >

> > > Did anyone have pain like this???

> > >

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