Iodine

[Guest guest]

I've been thinking about Iodine a lot lately, along with hypothyroidism. My

question is - where do you buy Iodine?

Pam

iodine

just learned about this.

since moving to sea salt... there is no iodine in the salt anymore.

this can leave delpetion of iodine in body.

just buy some, and paint a 1 inch square on the skin.

if it still is there even faintly in 24 hours. your ok.

if it is gone, you need iodine.

just keep painting it until you see it.

was passed on.

minna

[Guest guest]

any pharmacy should have it. It's the stuff we used to put on our owwies

until they came out with such wonderful substitutes as mercurochrome and

then Neosporin.

You sure don't want to overdo iodine, though. That skin painting thing

sounds like a reasonable approach -- let your body decide how much it

needs and will take.

jeff

:-j

Re: iodine

I've been thinking about Iodine a lot lately, along with hypothyroidism.

My question is - where do you buy Iodine?

Pam

iodine

just learned about this.

since moving to sea salt... there is no iodine in the salt anymore.

this can leave delpetion of iodine in body.

just buy some, and paint a 1 inch square on the skin.

if it still is there even faintly in 24 hours. your ok.

if it is gone, you need iodine.

just keep painting it until you see it.

was passed on.

minna

[Guest guest]

Try Lugol's Iodine. I get mine from www..com but it's avail from

any compounding pharmacy or online. It's a mix of two types of iodine.

You take 6 drops in a glass of water 3x/day for a week or two. It helps

your immune system by killing stuff in your gut like salmonella (I take

it if I get bad gas from eating wheat/dairy) and it helps to stop colds.

You can't take that much on an ongoing basis though. Many people take 1

drop/day for supplementation.

To see if you are iodine deficient, put a drop on the back of your hand.

If it's gone in under a half hour, you are deficient. If it lasts over

an hour, you probably don't need it.

Too much oral iodine causes a runny, watery nose. Easy to spot.

Thanks,

Dave

Dave Asprey

dave@...

www.asprey.net

>>Message: 15

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:36:38 -0700

From: " Jeff Konrade-Helm " <jeff.konrade-helm@...>

Subject: RE: iodine

any pharmacy should have it. It's the stuff we used to put on our owwies

until they came out with such wonderful substitutes as mercurochrome and

then Neosporin.

You sure don't want to overdo iodine, though. That skin painting thing

sounds like a reasonable approach -- let your body decide how much it

needs and will take.

jeff

:-j

[Guest guest]

> I bought mine at CVS.

klm

> From: " Pam and Greg Heck " <gpheck@...>

> Date: 2003/02/12 Wed PM 02:20:07 EST

> < >

> Subject: Re: iodine

>

>

[Guest guest]

yeah if you use iodised salt then that should be enough. however to

get an adequate intake reuires about 10 grams of salt a day total i

think allowing for loss of iodine in the salt.

the problem here in australia is the free flow salt has an aluminuim

zeolite flow agent unlike the usa which has magnesium based free flow

agents or something so there are problems with using the iodised salt

here.

however depends a bit i think, flouride displaces iodine and is one

reason why the usa population has a problem with weight, low thyroid

from low iodine caused by excess fluoride from water and toothpaste.

soy is anti iodine to i think.

metals transport enhancement is really just topping up mineral body

shortfalls .....moderate doses that shouldn't be a problem but like

iodine it depends on the diet and where you live and what minerals

are likely to be short.

salt cravings are indicative of trace mineral shortages i have heard.

i have noticed that metlas transport enhancement doesn't appeal on

these boards becuse it is indefinite and a bit wishy washy but it

works better and safer than anything else i have seen.

the basic theory is that humans have always had problem with mineral

shortfalls and you get a lot of redundancy in function betweeen

different trace elements, like different minerals can do the same job

from different angles so if you get all the minerals right then the

job is covered form several different sides which gets you past

metabolic problem areas and in some cases you start to plane through

biochemical quirks that just plain lift like iodine and selenium

seems to do me for me.

but they are not foods and you have to tune like to much is also a

problem and this seems to be beyond people.

> <<

> please don't read my posts about the necessity of iodine and

selenium

> in addition to no fenol

>

> )

>

> all we can do in t e future is become more iodine deficnet>>

>

> I read, read, read...just don't always reply! My mistake. Are we

really

> iodine deficient? I mean, I am a major saltaholic, and mine is

iodized.

> Also, I was thinking it wasn't prudent to get into metals transport

while

> I'm breastfeeding...any thoughts?

>

> M

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/4/04 11:17:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

h2ocolor@... writes:

> " The average soy consumption in China is about 10 grams or 2

> teaspoons per day. Levels are somewhat higher in Japan, averaging

> about 50 grams or 1/4 cup per day. In both countries, soy is used as

> a condiment or flavoring, and not as a substitute for animal foods.

> Seafood and seaweed in the Japanese diet provide sufficient iodine to

> counteract the negative effects of the isoflavones in soy. "

Asians also eat lots of cabbage in the form of kimchi and sauerkraut, which

contains indoles, which have anti-estrogen effects.

Chris

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/5/04 1:28:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Idol@... writes:

> Don't forget, though, that modern soy foods contain tremendously higher

> levels of isoflavones than soy used to.

>

What reasoning are you using? According to Barry Sears, processed soy

products are lower in isoflavones than whole soy products.

I've read that the isoflavones protect soy from insects, but it would seem

that nature would select for the higher isoflavone content regardless of human

agency. And isn't that somewhat speculation anyway?

Chris

[Guest guest]

Sheila-

Don't forget, though, that modern soy foods contain tremendously higher

levels of isoflavones than soy used to.

>Seafood and seaweed in the Japanese diet provide sufficient iodine to

>counteract the negative effects of the isoflavones in soy. "

-

[Guest guest]

My father used to put Iodine on me (as a kid) whenever I had a cut or a scrape.

AND IT STINKS LIKE MAD!!!!! This was ions ago, and he didn't know any better -

he'd been out in Palastine during the war and was worried that cuts would turn

nasty as they do in hot countries. However, I think there are better things

to use.

For a four-legged critter, I think that 3% Hydrogen Peroxide would be good to

pour on dirty cuts - to fizz and get the guck out, but don't overdo, as the HP

can actually impede healing.

If the critter had something IN the foot, like a splinter, I'd soak in warm

water with a tablespoon of Epsom Salts. This would help to get rid fo the

foreign body.

HTH,

and the K9's

I have what might be a silly question but here goes. Is there any danger to

soaking a critter's foot in iodine, be the critter 2 or 4 legged?

Belinda

[Guest guest]

The problem is neither that you mentioned. The goats have what is known as

foot scald and every treatment that I can find says " not to be used on horses

going for meat " which makes me not want to use them on goats that will be milk

or meat. The iodine has worked on the few I've tried it on and wondered if

there was a health reason to not use it.

Belinda

In a message dated 1/6/04 1:38:52 PM Central Standard Time,

writes:

> My father used to put Iodine on me (as a kid) whenever I had a cut or a

> scrape. AND IT STINKS LIKE MAD!!!!! This was ions ago, and he didn't know any

> better - he'd been out in Palastine during the war and was worried that cuts

> would turn nasty as they do in hot countries. However, I think there are

> better things to use.

>

> For a four-legged critter, I think that 3% Hydrogen Peroxide would be good

> to pour on dirty cuts - to fizz and get the guck out, but don't overdo, as the

> HP can actually impede healing.

>

> If the critter had something IN the foot, like a splinter, I'd soak in warm

> water with a tablespoon of Epsom Salts. This would help to get rid fo the

> foreign body.

>

> HTH,

> and the K9's

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I meant to say that Iodine STINGS. It stinks too, but that's

incidental. I also know how to spell Palestine, unlike my spell checker :-(

and the K9's

[Guest guest]

At 02:41 PM 1/6/2004, you wrote:

>The iodine has worked on the few I've tried it on and wondered if

>there was a health reason to not use it.

>

>Belinda

Some people have used iodine on their skin to absorb

extra iodine ... doesn't seem to hurt them. I can't see why

a little extra iodine in a goat would hurt the milk and likely

only a minimal amount would be absorbed anyway. I don't

know what the toxic dose for iodine is but if the goat

survives the treatment then I'd bet the milk drinkers

will. Worst case it could add an off taste to the milk?

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

I am an iodine user. I have read before that it is no longer good to

use but I forgot why. I still use it and it stings like the dickens

but for only a few seconds and after that it feels soooo much better

and then it's all better! I would like to rediscover what about it is

bad for you. Maybe I'll listen this time.

Del

> >The iodine has worked on the few I've tried it on and wondered if

> >there was a health reason to not use it.

> >

> >Belinda

>

>

> Some people have used iodine on their skin to absorb

> extra iodine ... doesn't seem to hurt them. I can't see why

> a little extra iodine in a goat would hurt the milk and likely

> only a minimal amount would be absorbed anyway. I don't

> know what the toxic dose for iodine is but if the goat

> survives the treatment then I'd bet the milk drinkers

> will. Worst case it could add an off taste to the milk?

>

> -- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>I am an iodine user. I have read before that it is no longer good to

>use but I forgot why. I still use it and it stings like the dickens

>but for only a few seconds and after that it feels soooo much better

>and then it's all better! I would like to rediscover what about it is

>bad for you. Maybe I'll listen this time.

>

>Del

I don't know why it is bad now ... I react to it myself, I get itchy bumps,

but a person I really respect dabs it on her tummy to get EXTRA iodine

and says it works wonders. It does make your skin turn yellow though.

When I was in the hospital a lot they used " betadine " on EVERYTHING

(including hand soap) to kill germs and other than the yellow color,

it didn't seem to be an issue, even in gross overuse. I don't think

I'd recommend it in hand soap, but to kill a hoof problem occasionally,

I can't see how it would hurt.

Part of the issue currently may be: it is cheap, and it is unsightly.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Chris-

> > Don't forget, though, that modern soy foods contain tremendously higher

> > levels of isoflavones than soy used to.

> >

>

>What reasoning are you using?

The fact that agribusiness has bred heavily for isoflavone content since

concocting the PR concept that they're really, really healthy. It's not a

secret or anything.

>According to Barry Sears, processed soy

>products are lower in isoflavones than whole soy products.

That seems awfully general. I'd think the processing would affect the

concentration and could, in some circumstances, increase it. I read

recently, for example, that miso soup has a really startlingly high

isoflavone content.

>I've read that the isoflavones protect soy from insects, but it would seem

>that nature would select for the higher isoflavone content regardless of

>human

>agency.

Many plants manufacture compounds which protect them from insects,

predators or competitors, but none of them ramp up their production to the

theoretical max because there are always tradeoffs; the simplest is the

amount of energy devoted to the arms race versus the amount devoted to

reproduction, but there are often also more direct metabolic consequences

to having those compounds present.

-

[Guest guest]

Hi Dagmar,

We are in this boat.... Rock bottom in lithium as well. I have been

giving 1 drop of supplimental iodine per day. We are repeating our hair

test, so hopefully I will see some improvement. My daughter just turned

7- around 50 lbs. She used to be my NT- but she has just been given a

preliminary diagnosis of PDD-NOS and bi-polar disorder. Her issues

didn't explode until just this year.

[ ] Iodine

My daughter's iodine in her last hair elements test is undetectably low.

Should I supplement? I don't like using Kelp (worried that it might be

contaminated by mercury ect.). Is there anything else I could use?

Has anybody else had this issue?

Thank you for any answers.

Dagmar.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/13/2004 6:50:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jenniferasmus@... writes:

> She used to be my NT- but she has just been given a

> preliminary diagnosis of PDD-NOS and bi-polar disorder. Her issues

> didn't explode until just this year.

>

>

,

Any idea what the trigger was?

Nell

[Guest guest]

I think it was the pressure of first grade, full school day- and the

social savy it requires. I am guessing that she could 'get by' last

year. However- she transferred school districts, and this one is

sub-par. Our marriage troubles as a result of having two kids on

spectrum is contributing as well. <sigh>

Re: [ ] Iodine

In a message dated 4/13/2004 6:50:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jenniferasmus@... writes:

> She used to be my NT- but she has just been given a preliminary

> diagnosis of PDD-NOS and bi-polar disorder. Her issues didn't explode

> until just this year.

>

>

,

Any idea what the trigger was?

Nell

[Guest guest]

Chuck,

I have not been using salt (sodium chloride) because I was adhering the gerson

program for a while. Actually, we get all the salt we need naturally from

vegetables and fruits (celery is a good source).

In the Gerson program, you take a few drops of Lugol's iodine daily. I was

taking Iodoral (potassium iodide) instead of the Lugol's because I didn't know a

source to get the Lugol's. I went off of the Gerson's, starting taking

supplements, but forgot all about iodine. Now I'm thinking it's a critical

component in an anti-cancer program.

Why do you suggest the 6-8 ounces of apple juice daily? Do apples contain

iodine?? or some other reason...

Dolores

Iodine

Iodine is a very necessary ingredient, as is salt. I would suggest

reversing course on the no salt routine, and use it as you would under

normal circumstances. use iodized salt, or if you are picky, use

natural sea salt.

Salt provides benefits related to the electrical current, electrolytes,

etc. Not enough salt can be detrimental. Iodine is a key ingredient in

the prevention of scurvy, and provides a host of other benefits in the

immune system.

The body is an incredible machine, follow a sensible diet and let it

take care of things. I suggest taking 6-8 ounces of apple juice daily

for the next three weeks and see if this helps.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

<<Dr. Sherri Tenpenny and the Role of Iodine in Breast Health

by L. Farrow

.....Sherri Tenpenny, D.O,. of Cleveland...(see _www.novaccines.com...is now

vigorously pursuing the role of iodine deficiency in the breast in her

practice....fibrocystic

breast disease. Reporting on years of research by Ghent and Eskin, Dr.

Tenpenny

cites a 40-70% improvement in pain and measurable reduction of breast

fibrosis.

Secondly, Ghent observed a two-fold reduction in the incidence of breast

cancer in patients treated with iodine....

Tenpenny makes the case that breast tissue is a " sponge " for iodine, and

asserts

" the minimum amount of iodine to protect the breast from fibrocystic

disease

and cancer is 20-40 times more than is needed to prevent goiter (i.e., 3-4

mg/day

for breasts.) " She cites Ghent's article in the Canadian Journal of Surgery

(1993).

What is the mechanism of action? One theory is that the iodine helps rid

the

congested tissues of the breast from dead cells and toxins....

© 2005 by L. Farrow

>>

[Guest guest]

I am very interested in this as my husband and I both have extensive

family histories of thyroid problems. When I did the " patch " test

last summer. My son's disappeared in less than an hour, my

daughter's in less than two hours, my husband in three and me in

less than about four hours. My son had a bump on his neck (like a

big adams apple) that I brought to the attention of several mds and

specifically asked if it was related to thyroid because my son had

antibodies to his thyroid at two years. After no one seemed to know

what it was I learned of the " patch " test and began supplementing us

with iodine. His bump is gone. Our patch lasts longer 8+ hours but

I still feel cold all the time. Our hair iodine is all low.

Anything you can share would be helpful. Thanks.

>

> you can actually have a good store of iodine but it not be able to

be used

> because mercury has disrupted deiodinase (selenium bound to

cysteine) in the

> liver, so the liver can't extract it (also T4-T3 conversion

requires this).

> This happens quite often in hypothyroidism conditions where iodine

doesn't

> work to raise the temp sometimes selenium does. Coconut oil is a

good

> selenium source.

>

> Iodine also pushes organic mercury out of tissue. It's even used

to do this

> in slide samples of tissue in biology. So taking iodine by itself

(like

> drops of Lugol's Iodine multiple times per day) will accellerate

pushing

> methylated mercury that is in cells out in some inorganic or salt

form. If

> you have a high burden of methylmercury or mercury this can cause

great

> distress.

>

> I've been researching the best way to restore iodine reserves in

the

> presence of mercury, and have a lot of info on what happens to the

body and

> it's usage of iodine if you want to see some of it I can put the

messages up

> and post a link to them.

>

> Here is one old message that has a lot of good info about mercury

and

> iodine.

>

> http://www.mastermindresearch.com/btm/modules/dokuwiki/doku.php?

id=gary:msgm

> ercuryiodine

>

> Cheers,

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto:Autism-

Mercury ]

> On Behalf Of slkbrooke@a...

> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:33 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] iodine

>

>

> In a message dated 1/30/2006 1:40:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> writes:

> Can someone explain to me how Iodine helps to chelate metals,

> > especially mercury? This is a new one for me.

>

> I don't think iodine chelates anything.

>

>

> Valentina

> My son and I can't tolerate iodine supplementation. Even the

daily

> recommended dosage gives us a severe migraine. My son has low

thyroid.

> I've read that

> iodine can either be good for thyroid or can have negative

reactions with

> thyroid issues. Just wanted to mention this for anyone who's

considering

> it.

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was at a biomedical conference a few weeks ago and one of the MDs there was

talking about how repeatedly his patients tests were coming up iodine deficient.

He

was wondering how that could be given how the majority of them ate salty foods

like

fries, etc..He started calling around to Frito Lay, Mcs, even checked

health food

stores. It turns out that no one uses iodized salt anymore commercially. I

thought this

was interesting. Even sea salt from the health food stores is most commonly NOT

iodized. After hearing this I started buying Hain iodized sea salt.

> >

> > you can actually have a good store of iodine but it not be able to

> be used

> > because mercury has disrupted deiodinase (selenium bound to

> cysteine) in the

> > liver, so the liver can't extract it (also T4-T3 conversion

> requires this).

> > This happens quite often in hypothyroidism conditions where iodine

> doesn't

> > work to raise the temp sometimes selenium does. Coconut oil is a

> good

> > selenium source.

> >

> > Iodine also pushes organic mercury out of tissue. It's even used

> to do this

> > in slide samples of tissue in biology. So taking iodine by itself

> (like

> > drops of Lugol's Iodine multiple times per day) will accellerate

> pushing

> > methylated mercury that is in cells out in some inorganic or salt

> form. If

> > you have a high burden of methylmercury or mercury this can cause

> great

> > distress.

> >

> > I've been researching the best way to restore iodine reserves in

> the

> > presence of mercury, and have a lot of info on what happens to the

> body and

> > it's usage of iodine if you want to see some of it I can put the

> messages up

> > and post a link to them.

> >

> > Here is one old message that has a lot of good info about mercury

> and

> > iodine.

> >

> > http://www.mastermindresearch.com/btm/modules/dokuwiki/doku.php?

> id=gary:msgm

> > ercuryiodine

> >

> > Cheers,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: [mailto:Autism-

> Mercury ]

> > On Behalf Of slkbrooke@a...

> > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:33 PM

> >

> > Subject: [ ] iodine

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 1/30/2006 1:40:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > writes:

> > Can someone explain to me how Iodine helps to chelate metals,

> > > especially mercury? This is a new one for me.

> >

> > I don't think iodine chelates anything.

> >

> >

> > Valentina

> > My son and I can't tolerate iodine supplementation. Even the

> daily

> > recommended dosage gives us a severe migraine. My son has low

> thyroid.

> > I've read that

> > iodine can either be good for thyroid or can have negative

> reactions with

> > thyroid issues. Just wanted to mention this for anyone who's

> considering

> > it.

> >

> > Sharon

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am going to have to reread that a few times to get it. I am very

interested in the link between thyroid, iodine and the tonsils.

Around the same time I noticed my son's bump on his neck (discussed

in previous email), his tonsils suddenly became inflammed (4+)

causing breathing problems and apnea. I haven't had them removed yet

because it just didn't make sense. Interesting, they are

shrinking. Do you think that is because his iodine reserves are

being restored? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated? Where

did you get all your info on this?

Thanks.

sarah

>

> I wanted to shorten the URL I gave as that one wrapped:

>

> http://www.mmres.net/btm/modules/dokuwiki/doku.php?

id=gary:msgmercuryiodine

>

> Cheers,

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto:Autism-

Mercury ]

> On Behalf Of Littleton

> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:34 PM

>

> Subject: RE: [ ] iodine

>

>

> you can actually have a good store of iodine but it not be able to

be used

> because mercury has disrupted deiodinase (selenium bound to

cysteine) in the

> liver, so the liver can't extract it (also T4-T3 conversion

requires this).

> This happens quite often in hypothyroidism conditions where iodine

doesn't

> work to raise the temp sometimes selenium does. Coconut oil is a

good

> selenium source.

>

> Iodine also pushes organic mercury out of tissue. It's even used

to do this

> in slide samples of tissue in biology. So taking iodine by itself

(like

> drops of Lugol's Iodine multiple times per day) will accellerate

pushing

> methylated mercury that is in cells out in some inorganic or salt

form. If

> you have a high burden of methylmercury or mercury this can cause

great

> distress.

>

> I've been researching the best way to restore iodine reserves in

the

> presence of mercury, and have a lot of info on what happens to the

body and

> it's usage of iodine if you want to see some of it I can put the

messages up

> and post a link to them.

>

> Here is one old message that has a lot of good info about mercury

and

> iodine.

>

> http://www.mastermindresearch.com/btm/modules/dokuwiki/doku.php?

id=gary:msgm

> ercuryiodine

>

> Cheers,

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto:Autism-

Mercury ]

> On Behalf Of slkbrooke@a...

> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:33 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] iodine

>

>

> In a message dated 1/30/2006 1:40:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> writes:

> Can someone explain to me how Iodine helps to chelate metals,

> > especially mercury? This is a new one for me.

>

> I don't think iodine chelates anything.

>

>

> Valentina

> My son and I can't tolerate iodine supplementation. Even the

daily

> recommended dosage gives us a severe migraine. My son has low

thyroid.

> I've read that

> iodine can either be good for thyroid or can have negative

reactions with

> thyroid issues. Just wanted to mention this for anyone who's

considering

> it.

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I am very interested in this as my husband and I both have extensive

> family histories of thyroid problems.

I think supplementing with Armour thyroid is a more effective way to

deal with hypothyroid (you'd have to go to a doc who prescribes it,

often an OD or complemetary medicine MD). I think I remember that

everyone gets plenty of iodine in food and so it's using the iodine

that's the problem, not the supply.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, finding a good doc who understand these things is the

problem. Most still go by old testing info. Because I recognized

the problem before we found docs and have been treating it with

iodine and VCO, things often appear in " normal " range, but I know

things aren't right still. I told DAN at last visit what I was

doing and she just said it is great that he has such a smart mom...

I called back last week to ask her to retest his TSH/free T3, etc.

but I don't know what the pediatric references are. I don't think

that she is too familiar with the ones that don't fit " normal "

profiles.

> >

> > I am very interested in this as my husband and I both have

extensive

> > family histories of thyroid problems.

>

> I think supplementing with Armour thyroid is a more effective way

to

> deal with hypothyroid (you'd have to go to a doc who prescribes it,

> often an OD or complemetary medicine MD). I think I remember that

> everyone gets plenty of iodine in food and so it's using the iodine

> that's the problem, not the supply.

>

> Nell

>