More info, update, and Q's Re: need help with chronic pain

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Hi All,

I just did my 4th flush. I want to provide more info and an update about the

results of my 4th flush. Then, I have some Q's. I have already received some

offline responses to my previous emails and am very thankful for the help I've

been getting.

Regards,

Grace

Additional info:

* The juicing diet I went on Mar-June was 100% juicing with a salad w/ nuts and

seeds. A typical day would involve juice of 4lb apples, 2lb beets, 4lemons,

1.5lb cabbage. 1.5lb pear, 1lb carrot, 1lb cucumber. I did the diet based on

rec of an NP and I went for it because I read about the benefits of juicing and

going on a plant based diet. Despite no improvement, I persisted with 50-75%

juicing Jul-Sept and I added Dave Shelden's recs (lecithin, plant oils, chanca

piedra or dandelion, boldo or peppermint) and oatmeal/bran for fiber. In Aug, I

wondered if juicing contributed to the pain, since there was a temporal

relationship, esp with carrots/pears/cucumber combo, so I stopped that. I also

stopped cabbage and beets since I was told they could make the liver sensitive.

But, I continued with lots of apples, mainly because of Moritz support for apple

juice. In Aug, I also added a lot of greens like chard, spinach, kale, after

reading Boutenko books. By Sept, I could not deny the fact that there

was more pain when I had greens with apple juice, but less/no pain when I did

greens with other fruits such as grapes, papaya, and watermelon. But, I did the

apple juice regimen last week anyways, in prep for my 4th flush.

* I never had extreme attacks (the kind where you just want to go to the ER)

until I started taking Spirulina/Clorella in March, often on empty stomach, and

often in conjunction with bee pollen and chanca piedra. I noticed the attacks

always happened about 1/2 hour after I took the Spirulina/Chlorella. I stopped

the Spirulina/Clorella around July/August, and have not had another extreme

attack since.

* I tried taking taurine several times based on rec from Shelden and

but it always seemed to bring on pain. I really tried to add it to my regular

regimen but could not sustain it and had to quit each time.

4th flush:

* procedure details: instead of colonic prior to flush like previous flushes, I

did Colosan prior to flush instead; I also used a different brand of olive oil;

I used apple juice, chanca piedra, and boldo as prep.

* results: much different from first 3 flushes - a lot less green floating

stones; also, colonic showed nothing but fecal matter in first 3 flushes, but in

4th flush, saw green stones, many tiny black stones, and lots of green or

green-tan liquidy stuff - not sure if they are sludge; don't know if the

difference is due to the fact it's 4th flush, or that I did the procedure

differently, or both.

* regarding pain: did flush on Sat nite, and had some soreness on Sun and Mon

morn, but not yet the outright pain I experienced after the first 3 flushes;

really need to wait through this week to see if there is indeed improvement in

pain.

Questions:

* What does that mean, I that I seem to have more pain w/ apple juice,

spirulina, taurine? Does that even make sense? I thought apple juice can only

be good for you. I heard spirulina can give you a detox effect but how is it

that I still had attacks from it after taking it for 4+ months? I have not

heard of people getting pains from taurine?

* Could have the juicing been overkill and in fact contributed to the pain?

Things may have gotten better since I started to the plant oils/lecithin/fibers,

though I feel I need more time to be sure.

(I have more Q's, but will send them another time.)