Guest guest Posted May 20, 1999 Report Share Posted May 20, 1999 I do not know what to say. First I am not sure how much kutapressin really helps so it is difficult to say that more would help. I am just saying that the insert that comes in the package suggest a starting dose of 2cc a day. Maybe the Dr. is just wanting to do something and he/she does not really believe that it helps. As far a mag is concern I just milk of mag because I get constipation anyway. Does it help CFS -- I doubt it but I still take it. LOL Steve > Steve > > > From: Michele Umbach <musharina73@...> > > I agree - 1.5 cc per week IS low!! I have mentioned > it to the doc, but he obviously doesnt agree with me, > so what can I do?!? > > --Michele > > ------------------------------------------ > You kutapressin dose is so low I do not see how it > helps. The 2cc per > day > dose is standard even for minor dermatological > problems. > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 drpeppe: A whole watermellon? I don't think so. This chemo is what's keeping her alive...it is a fact.without the treatment she will die. fact. The treatment she is on is non-toxin......she is doing very well! So well, the doctor is puzzled with some of the results. But thank you for your concern. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 Steve What is your wife taking for a chemo drug that is non-toxic, I think everyone would like to know. All we have ever seen associated with chemo is toxins. I am glad it is helping her and wish you both the best Debbie cwonders6-@... wrote: original article:cures for cancer/?start=4045 > drpeppe: > > A whole watermellon? I don't think so. This chemo is what's keeping her > alive...it is a fact.without the treatment she will die. fact. The > treatment she is on is non-toxin......she is doing very well! So well, the > doctor is puzzled with some of the results. > > But thank you for your concern. > > > Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 Hi Steve, I never heard of a NonToxic Chemo agent. Please explain. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 Check it out with her doctor, first, of course. The chemo takes no more than an hour to get in her system, by that time God's watermelon couldn't interfere with it. It will wash out the bad and leave the good. The watermelon may take several hours to consume. Make sure you pray over it. This is not a tylenol cure, this will just help with the side effects, both now and in the future. If it causes an argument, forget it. Godspeed, drpeppe@... Re: Steve > drpeppe: > > A whole watermellon? I don't think so. This chemo is what's keeping her > alive...it is a fact.without the treatment she will die. fact. The > treatment she is on is non-toxin......she is doing very well! So well, the > doctor is puzzled with some of the results. > > But thank you for your concern. > > > Steve > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > eGroups.com Home: cures for cancer/ > - Simplifying group communications > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 " Anything God didn't make, to eat, synthetic, you will find is toxic to man somehow " , Dr. Robbins. www.wellnessclinics.com Re: Steve > Steve > What is your wife taking for a chemo drug that is non-toxic, I think > everyone would like to know. All we have ever seen associated with > chemo is toxins. I am glad it is helping her and wish you both the best > Debbie > > cwonders6-@... wrote: > original article:cures for cancer/?start=4045 > > drpeppe: > > > > A whole watermellon? I don't think so. This chemo is what's keeping > her > > alive...it is a fact.without the treatment she will die. fact. The > > treatment she is on is non-toxin......she is doing very well! So > well, the > > doctor is puzzled with some of the results. > > > > But thank you for your concern. > > > > > > Steve > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Check out your group's private Chat room > -- ChatPage?listName=cures for cancer & m=1 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 1999 Report Share Posted December 1, 1999 Your very lucky. My mom has nslc that spread to bones, brain, etc. tried chemo & radiation.....sick from day one. Went all natural and is 100 times better. If she stayed on the other she wouldn't be with us today. I'm not saying she is cured by no means but her quality of life is there. To each there own. Some people can tolerate the chemo. some can't but it's great to know there are other alternatives for people to decide on. I'm still looking for more ways to help her and will continue to research every possible alternative but I also believe that the most important thing is what we put into our bodies. Always keep an open mind to new research. There are people who have been " cured " if that's the right word with both methods. Keep fighting either way. >From: " Joe Peppe " <drpeppe@...> >Reply-cures for canceregroups ><cures for canceregroups> >Subject: Steve >Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 03:07:29 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >From cures for cancer-return-3896-kargio1 Wed Dec 01 01:06:30 1999 >Received: from [207.138.41.182] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBA0E2C7F007CD82197CBCF8A29B69A64120; Wed Dec 01 01:04:48 1999 >X-eGroups-Return: >cures for cancer-return-3896-kargio1=hotmail.comreturns (DOT) >Received: from [10.1.2.42] by fi. with NNFMP; 01 Dec 1999 >08:58:08 -0000 >Received: (listserv 1.289); by a2; 01 Dec 1999 08:58:08 -0000 >Delivered-listsaver-egroups-cures for canceregroups >Received: (qmail 25420 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1999 08:58:06 -0000 >Received: from fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (207.69.200.167) by qg. >with SMTP; 1 Dec 1999 08:58:06 -0000 >Received: from default (pool-207-205-149-185.dlls.grid.net >[207.205.149.185]) by fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id >DAA14862 for <cures for canceregroups>; Wed, 1 Dec 1999 03:58:04 -0500 (EST) >Message-ID: <LPBBLDDIFJHFEKBOEBCGMECOCAAA.drpeppe@...> >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) >In-Reply-<0.47ff130.25753a0d@...> >Importance: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 >Mailing-List: contact cures for cancer-owneregroups >X-Mailing-List: cures for canceregroups >Precedence: bulk >List-Help: <cures for cancer/info.html>, ><mailto:cures for cancer-helpegroups> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups> >List-Archive: <cures for cancer/> > >Dear Steve, >I didn't realize this was you. Your wife needs to eat a whole watermelon as >soon as she gets home from one of these treatments for cleanout and live >enzyme activity needed. Rest of program I outlined could only help. I think >there's some good places in San diego and Austin that are not so expensive >cause that's all your wife needs now that she's already done this. It's >called Optimum Health Institute of San Diego in Lemon Grove California. >Also >one in Austin, Texas - same name.Godspeed to you both. >drpeppe@... > > Re: tony L. > > >kenk : > > I would like to hear how you would start to treat ext.SCLC with >nutrition. >I keep hearing how this works...or maybe something over there..or mine is >better than your treatment. I say give me proof. > My wife is alive today because of new chemotherapy drugs. She is enjoying >life to the fullest. Is it a combination of nutrients and chemo drugs? No >one knows, but the doctors sure have questions concerning the success of >this >treatment. Without chemo, her cancer spread rapidly over 1 months time. > Next week is her 14th chemo session, 8th with Topotecan, with little >side >effects. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-- Create a poll/survey for your group! >-- vote?listname=cures for cancer & m=1 > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit http://cures for cancer.evangelist.net for cancer info or to unsubscribe > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-- Easily schedule meetings and events using the group calendar! >-- cal?listname=cures for cancer & m=1 > ______________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 1999 Report Share Posted December 7, 1999 How sweet you are Joe. One day, I'll be as humble and beautiful a peacemaker as you. For now,I'll just observe your true and gentle spirit from afar, and be blessed by it. Always be well, At 01:39 PM 12/7/99 -0600, you wrote: >Dear Steve, >Watermellon is one of the most readily available detoxifying/cleansing >agents we have. Sorry, I apologize for whatever I did against you. Help me >make it right my brother. >Godspeed, >Joe Peppe > > Re: Info > > >> drpeppe : >> >> I have had enough of this babble.(IMO) We are both Christians. I was >raised >> and studied God's word for years. We pray and listen to God every >day....You >> can interept <sp> the bible any way you want to....but please don't try to >> force your beliefs on me. I wanted to share stories about my wife battle >with >> cancer with everyone on this list, and perhaps help someone. I will not >> discuss watermellons. >> >> >> >> I will opt to hit the delete key from now on. We agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 , Yes, I remove an item that is providing no apparent benefit with the exception of most of the Cheney recommended items. Some items are preventative in nature like the proanthrocyanadin (grape seed extract, etc.) and antioxidants. As you know, we have higher levels of free radical activity than a healthy person and therefore unfortunately are aging more rapidly if you believe the free-radical " theory " of aging (one of several major aging theories like the telomere theory, the glycemic theory, immunological theory - hopefully one of these latter theories is true and we arn't aging more rapidly than a normal person). Another item I forgot to mention was that I have an oxygen tank and re-breather mask. Fortunately, my insurer covers most of this cost because it's a proven therapy for migraines and of course I have migraines.....Dr. nodding his head up and down.... " You have migraines, don't you? " I only used it for 5-6 weeks and it gave me a boost of energy. I would say it improved my condition from 70% to 80% of normal, then I discontinued it's use and maintained the benefits, or at least have so far during the past 5-6 weeks. In the future I plan to use it about 1 week a month because I think it helps ward off or keep infections in check. Another thing I just decided to do is discontinue Melatonin. Apparently you need to take 40 milligrams/day of parmaceutical grade melatonin to provide any neuroprotective benefit and many melatonin products sold have impurities. 40 milligrams a day is going to leave you groggy until noon the following day! I'm also discontinuing Immunepro for a test period and go strictly with Imuplus 2 packets daily. I believe the Immunepro was causing GI problems which I haven't had in a long time. Maybe it was herxing? I don't know, I've never experienced herxing no matter what I took or how high a dose I took of it. Finally, as mentioned previously, 1.5 weeks (4 very low-dose shots of HGH) has improved my condition from 80% to 90% of normal. Steve B. steve > wow! that hits the pocket hard! My husband thinks I take alot but if he saw your list he would flip......Do you ever at times take away certain things to see if you don't need them? > and Yes, Needs is a great place to buy...this is where I buy 90% of my supplements....I have found that they are the cheapest on just about everything! > Hudecz > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 , PS: Apparently beyond-a-century.com is cheaper than needs on many items because they sell a lot of thing in bulk powder form. I have their catalog and plan to start buying from them and needs more in the future. Steve B. steve > wow! that hits the pocket hard! My husband thinks I take alot but if he saw your list he would flip......Do you ever at times take away certain things to see if you don't need them? > and Yes, Needs is a great place to buy...this is where I buy 90% of my supplements....I have found that they are the cheapest on just about everything! > Hudecz > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Hi Rich, Its ok mate. I understand completely. I can type quite well without getting too much pain. It is physically writing with a pen that really cripples my hands. And I know how the days go...somedays you feel able to email and others its just ugh...i always want to talk to people its just impossible to cope with. Today I am going of to college for an hour and I gaurantee tonight will be an ugh time ;o) Ah, sweet morphine based pain killers....i've never really been given any pain killers that helped and I have never wanted to pres for anything because I hate the thought of docs thinking I am making up being ill for meds. But some nights I really really wish I didn't care about the pain. Oh, and I definitely understand the nightmares. I am guessing you're like me and get nightmares in whihc you are hurt and get the real pain that your body produces normally? My most recent one was a bloke coming up behind me with a cut throat razor. he can my wrist and throat and I could literally feel the cuts and I could even feel my life going...it was nasty. I find talking about them with people really helps. I don't know if you would too. Hope you sleep well. I'm going to go and snuggle up before college...ugh...its something like -5 out there....I'll be frozen solid to my wheelchair by the end of today. Take care mate Aged 18 from Surrey, EnglandME (CFS/FM) for 6 1/2 yearsBoyfriend of aged 16 - diagnosed with ACM1 15mm+ Sinus problemsDecompressed July 2000------www.yvy69.ukgateway.net steve Hi Steve At the mo I'll have to just e-mail for I have trouble typing . its painful so I type real slow . I know what you mean about the pain you can feel. your veins, like you said hot lead going through them. bloody painful LOL I will try to reply as soon as I can to your e mails but it depends on the day I'm having . I'm a bit vague today for I took some morphine based painkillers yesterday and not quite with it today they get rid of the pain well make me not care anyway .the only trouble is they give me nightmares so I don't sleep very well. so take it easy I'm off to the couch to sleep richThe Being Sick CommunityVisual problems with colors?Click the link below and select the modify link to your right. Then select the **Send Plain Text Email** option. This will stop you receiving emails with colored or enlarged fonts. Members Lounge:-Photo Album, memorial page, members profiles, birthdays, locations, medical resources, counselling via email and a whole bunch of free things.http://www.elderwyn.com/members Message Archives and Digest Attachment Pictures:-messages/Chat:- Scheduled Daily Chats at # on IRC DALnet./chat.htmSharing our resources:-Add a website URL you have found useful. Personal Complaints or problems:-Please contact a moderator either via email <-owneregroups> or visit:-/Moderators.htmSubscription Details:-1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive.2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email.3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into eGroups at your convenience and receive no email.To modify your subscription settings please visit mygroupsTo subscribe or unsubscribesubscribe/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~“Hold on to what is good, even if it's a handful of earth. Hold on to what you believe, even if it's a tree that stands by itself. Hold on to what you must do even, if it's a long way from here. Hold on to your life, even if it's easier to let go. " - Pueblo Prayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2001 Report Share Posted January 16, 2001 Hi Steve, Just checking up on ya? How are you? Hows your study going? (What are you studying again? lol) Hows your girlfriend doing? Any news on how her operation went? Thinking of you all! Love Aisha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2001 Report Share Posted January 16, 2001 sorry for not being about much, things have been quite hectic and I've not been feeling too good. Been trying to get my website done for my multimedia lesson (www.yvy69.ukgateway.net) and i have my Classical Civilisations lesson today (doing Oedipus....lots of incest and murder...bit like the soaps only with long words and ugly people). 's still not feeling too good but has some physiotherapy again today...hopefully that will help....I'm very worried about her. Thank you so much for asking...it really means a lot. I havenm't really been able to keep up the the amount of emails recently...its quite upsetting because I also feel really lonely...strange really... Anyway...I had better be going but I will try and keep in touch more...thank you again. Take lots of care all of you. Love and hugs Re: steveHi Steve,Just checking up on ya? How are you? Hows your study going? (What are you studying again? lol)Hows your girlfriend doing? Any news on how her operation went?Thinking of you all!Love AishaThe Being Sick CommunityVisual problems with colors?Click the link below and select the modify link to your right. Then select the **Send Plain Text Email** option. This will stop you receiving emails with colored or enlarged fonts. Members Lounge:-Photo Album, memorial page, members profiles, birthdays, locations, medical resources, counselling via email and a whole bunch of free things.http://www.elderwyn.com/members Message Archives and Digest Attachment Pictures:-messages/Chat:- Scheduled Daily Chats at # on IRC DALnet./chat.htmSharing our resources:-Add a website URL you have found useful. Personal Complaints or problems:-Please contact a moderator either via email <-owneregroups> or visit:-/Moderators.htmSubscription Details:-1) Individual email - means that every email sent to the list you receive.2) Daily Digest - sends you 25 messages in one single email for you to browse. This is an excellent option if you receive alot of email.3) Web only/No mail - means that you can pop into eGroups at your convenience and receive no email.To modify your subscription settings please visit mygroupsTo subscribe or unsubscribesubscribe/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~“Hold on to what is good, even if it's a handful of earth. Hold on to what you believe, even if it's a tree that stands by itself. Hold on to what you must do even, if it's a long way from here. Hold on to your life, even if it's easier to let go. " - Pueblo Prayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2001 Report Share Posted May 10, 2001 No, a picture is worth a thousand words, especially in this department. Pax, Steve Steve You crack me up!!! Are you sure the jpegs are enough....are you sure you don't want measurements and descriptions, too?? HAHA in Asheville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 Hi Steve: You were missed and the party was great. Lots of food, socializing, dancing, entertainment, information. I for one thought you were coming and looked for you but found you were not there. Hope to see you next time. Phyllis in fla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 > i was just thinking that given the sort of country that sydney beef > is grown on that your selenium levels in beef maybe quite good -- , how can you tell if different types of country have good or poor selenium levels? Is it something about the geology? >if you son is not showing any improvement on selenium then it may be >a viral issue. -- His hair test does indicate some mercury toxicity, but it may be I'm not using enough selenium. It may also be that a recent yeast infection from which he is still recovering is masking any improvements. We are putting him on Nystatin in the next couple of days, just to kill the last of the yeast. So we should be able to tell after that. If it was viral what would you suspect? He deteriorated seriously after his DPT at 18 months, but looking back I think there was some slight deterioration after his MMR at 12 months. How would you treat viral problems? Thanks Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 deserts or very dry climates can have very high selenium, but not necessarily as the area between launceston and hobart is very dry but low selenium. its also glaciated . glaciated country is very low selenium. selenium must be quite water soluble i think so the level is proably some relation between soil levels and how wet. don't think australia is over burdened with selenium though. if he has a leaky gut nystatin can get into the blood and be a problem. i read the stuff on acetate verus palimate but palimate is what is proving beneficial for this young adult. on the other hand i haven't tried acetate and will i guess as i have some. palimate is the form that is stored in the liver. just been getting some uvb......... three of four days of that may tell you a lot. the sky and air have to reasonbaly clear, smoke really cuts back the uvb and theres no point in soaking up uva without any uvb, just cancer risk with no benefit. sunscreens can be carcinogenic imo. spirulina may be an anti viral, the hiwaiian spirulia you get in woolworths appears to be ok for this but i only take it very occasionally as i am unsure about its mercury content.\\ monolauricidin is what a lot of parents swear by for viral. zinc is an anti yeasT/FUNGAL. it sounds like a combination of metals transport/viral i appreciate how you must feel you are wading around in mud but sometimes you can get things right accidently > > i was just thinking that given the sort of country that sydney beef > > is grown on that your selenium levels in beef maybe quite good > > -- , how can you tell if different types of country have good > or poor selenium levels? Is it something about the geology? > > >if you son is not showing any improvement on selenium then it may be > >a viral issue. > -- His hair test does indicate some mercury toxicity, but it may be > I'm not using enough selenium. It may also be that a recent yeast > infection from which he is still recovering is masking any > improvements. We are putting him on Nystatin in the next couple of > days, just to kill the last of the yeast. So we should be able to > tell after that. > > If it was viral what would you suspect? He deteriorated seriously > after his DPT at 18 months, but looking back I think there was some > slight deterioration after his MMR at 12 months. > How would you treat viral problems? > > Thanks > > Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 > just been getting some uvb......... three of four days of that may > tell you a lot. the sky and air have to reasonbaly clear, smoke > really cuts back the uvb and theres no point in soaking up uva > without any uvb, just cancer risk with no benefit. -- I'll try it, , but we may have to wait for the bushfires to settle down. A lot of smoke around Sydney and the Blue Mountains lately > spirulina may be an anti viral, the hiwaiian spirulia you get in > woolworths appears to be ok for this but i only take it very > occasionally as i am unsure about its mercury content -- I might try to source an organic source grown under glass >zinc is an anti yeasT/FUNGAL. it sounds like a combination of metals > transport/viral -- we are already giving plenty of zinc. > i appreciate how you must feel you are wading around in mud -- sometimes it feels like something worse than mud Thanks Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 What wonderful news Liz! I'm thrilled. Now y'all work on getting over this sick!!! Love ya, Kiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Liz, Praise the Lord!!! I will be praying for a quick recovery for you and your family. Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Praising the Lord for your good news, Liz! Melinda ) Steve Hi Everyone, The thickening on Steve's left lung is nothing.... Praise the Lord!!! They found a small hiatal hernia which is probably what's causing his belching problem. He'll be taking medicine for that. All 4 of us are still sick, the fevers are better though. Thanks for your prayers! Love, Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Wonderful! I have a minor hiatal hernia -- easily controlled with occasional meds (the purple pill, can't think of its name) -- though when I watch my eating carefully, I don't have any problems.... particularly never getting " over-full " helps Bonnie Steve Hi Everyone, The thickening on Steve's left lung is nothing.... Praise the Lord!!! They found a small hiatal hernia which is probably what's causing his belching problem. He'll be taking medicine for that. All 4 of us are still sick, the fevers are better though. Thanks for your prayers! Love, Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 I am so happy for Steve! Praise the Lord indeed!! And lifting up your colds. Hugs, Connie Steve Hi Everyone, The thickening on Steve's left lung is nothing.... Praise the Lord!!! They found a small hiatal hernia which is probably what's causing his belching problem. He'll be taking medicine for that. All 4 of us are still sick, the fevers are better though. Thanks for your prayers! Love, Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Steve, sorry to hear it didn’t work for you. But you did the best thing to could to give it a shot (pun intended). I’m proud of you. It’s a generous offer to pass your meds on to someone else. I hope someone here can use them. Hugs, De RE: Good Day Everyone and We are 2 -- Thank You !!!!!!! Deb, I have recently ended my Pegysis and COPEGUS treatment. I was a non-responder and the quality of my life and my relationship was being severely compromised. That being said, I recently received 90 day supplies of both medications. The meds have been refrigerated since they arrived. Please advise if you can think a way that I can dispose of these expensive medications. Thanks.. Steve Mullis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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