Sleep

[Guest guest]

Between the ages of 3-5, my son's sleep patterns were here/there/everywhere.

To bed by 8:00pm, up at midnight ..... he might finally fall asleep around

4-5 pm .... usually in the middle of supper ... and sleep around the clock

to 5am the next morning. It was taxing on him (he wasn't getting the rest

he needed to heal) and we were at our wits end.

We then switched from DAN to and Dr G placed him on a very small dose

of an SSRI. Within 3 mths, sleep patterns stablized.

We cringe when Dr G suggests " oh let's try a different SSRI "

because it usually means his sleep pattern will change.

If the sleep pattern normalizes, thumbs up to the SSRI

If it doesn't, thumbs down.

SSRIs stablize the serontonin which has an indirect effect

on the melatonin.

I would only do melatonin under a Dr's watchful eye.

Too high of a dose can cause problems.

I've been trying essential oils thru a diffuser - jasmine is suppose to

bring on a peaceful sleep but $$$$.

Lavender is my next choice.

Of course there's always catnip )

It has the opposite effect on humans ...

Doris

land

Message: 3

Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:41:10 -0000

From: " stocmom " <stocmom@...>

Subject: Re: New and need some direction()

Hi ,

I definitely see the result of lack of sleep in my daughter's (4

years old) behavior. Lately, her sleep pattern is horrible. We've

just started protocol and I do wonder if there is any "

approved " way to help them sleep better. I would think sleep

medication would be disapproved of, but sleep is so important to

their function and ability to heal their bodies. Has anything been

suggested?

Thanks

Jess

>

>

>>> > Hello! I am the mother of a nine year old boy who

>>> > has had behavioral

>>> > " issues " since about 18 months old. He is not

>>> > autistic, but had odd

>>> > behaviors that improved dramatically when we went

>>> > casein-free and

>>> > corn-free and addressed his allergies and asthma.

>>> > We started Houston's

>>> > enzymes a year ago which helped at first, but seem

>>> > to be losing

>>> > effectiveness.

>>> >

>>> > I decided to start investigating viral issues and

>>> > found the

>>> > website. My first question is, are there any other

>>> > parents or

>>> > practitioners in the St. Louis, Missouri area that I

>>> > can contact? And

>>> > secondly, where do I start? My mother has

>>> > fibromyalgia and I have been

>>> > told I have CFS/fibromyalgia, so I am interested in

>>> > treatment for us,

>>> > too.

>>> >

>>> > Thanks!

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi Doris,

Was he put on the small dose of an SSRI before the normal time in

protocol? My understanding is that once it is felt that the

anti-virals/anti-fungal have healed the body to some degree, then

the SSRI is given. Was your son at that point in protocol or did Dr.

G feel that adjusting his sleep was important enough to give it at

an earlier time?

Thanks for your response,

Jess

--- In , steve and doris smith <sjsmith3@c...>

wrote:

> Between the ages of 3-5, my son's sleep patterns were

here/there/everywhere.

> To bed by 8:00pm, up at midnight ..... he might finally fall

asleep around

> 4-5 pm .... usually in the middle of supper ... and sleep around

the clock

> to 5am the next morning. It was taxing on him (he wasn't getting

the rest

> he needed to heal) and we were at our wits end.

> We then switched from DAN to and Dr G placed him on a very

small dose

> of an SSRI. Within 3 mths, sleep patterns stablized.

> We cringe when Dr G suggests " oh let's try a different SSRI "

> because it usually means his sleep pattern will change.

> If the sleep pattern normalizes, thumbs up to the SSRI

> If it doesn't, thumbs down.

> SSRIs stablize the serontonin which has an indirect effect

> on the melatonin.

>

> I would only do melatonin under a Dr's watchful eye.

> Too high of a dose can cause problems.

>

> I've been trying essential oils thru a diffuser - jasmine is

suppose to

> bring on a peaceful sleep but $$$$.

> Lavender is my next choice.

> Of course there's always catnip )

> It has the opposite effect on humans ...

>

> Doris

> land

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi!

Dr G put on a very small dose of an SSRI (and we're talking

small - 1/8 of a pill) about 6-8 mths after starting the

antiviral. responded very well to the antiviral -

eyes were alert, he was noticing things, blood work starting

to come down. had been on an antifungal (yellow powder)

by the DAN dr that wasn't doing squat. Dr G put him on Diflucan.

I think 's bloodwork was so high and he was reacting to so much

that Dr G had to prime him first before starting the SSRI.

I think the brain was just too hot to touch at first.

It also took us a while to find that SSRI that 'fit'.

Paxil and Prozac didn't work at first - celexa did.

Dr G went back to Paxil after a few years and is responding

much better.

Of course, we do miss Kutapressin <

doris

maryland

Message: 13

Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 18:14:50 -0000

From: " stocmom " <stocmom@...>

Subject: Re: sleep

Hi Doris,

Was he put on the small dose of an SSRI before the normal time in

protocol? My understanding is that once it is felt that the

anti-virals/anti-fungal have healed the body to some degree, then

the SSRI is given. Was your son at that point in protocol or did Dr.

G feel that adjusting his sleep was important enough to give it at

an earlier time?

Thanks for your response,

Jess

--- In , steve and doris smith <sjsmith3@c...>

wrote:

>> Between the ages of 3-5, my son's sleep patterns were

>

>

here/there/everywhere.

>> To bed by 8:00pm, up at midnight ..... he might finally fall

>

>

asleep around

>> 4-5 pm .... usually in the middle of supper ... and sleep around

>

>

the clock

>> to 5am the next morning. It was taxing on him (he wasn't getting

>

>

the rest

>> he needed to heal) and we were at our wits end.

>> We then switched from DAN to and Dr G placed him on a very

>

>

small dose

>> of an SSRI. Within 3 mths, sleep patterns stablized.

>> We cringe when Dr G suggests " oh let's try a different SSRI "

>> because it usually means his sleep pattern will change.

>> If the sleep pattern normalizes, thumbs up to the SSRI

>> If it doesn't, thumbs down.

>> SSRIs stablize the serontonin which has an indirect effect

>> on the melatonin.

>>

>> I would only do melatonin under a Dr's watchful eye.

>> Too high of a dose can cause problems.

>>

>> I've been trying essential oils thru a diffuser - jasmine is

>

>

suppose to

>> bring on a peaceful sleep but $$$$.

>> Lavender is my next choice.

>> Of course there's always catnip )

>> It has the opposite effect on humans ...

>>

>> Doris

>> land

>

[Guest guest]

Allergic to wine (actually the fermentation process) and cannot drink

alcohol at all. That one is out for me.

Lynda

At 08:11 AM 11/22/2004, you wrote:

>When I had the parasite years ago I could not sleep at all, would

>get maybe on a good night three hours. I had a doctor tell me to

>drink one glass of wine right before I went to bed. No more than one

>glass, anymore would cause and unrestful sleep but one worked. He

>said that it was safer than going on sleep meds. You know it really

>worked for me. Now if I feel that I am to stressed or unable to

>sleep I just pour my self a glass of red wine and sleep like a baby.

>And you know what they say about red wine. Its good for your heart

>too.

>Its safe as long as you don't go overboard. We don't want to see you

>have to go to AA meetings. :)

>

>Love Cricket

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No I haven't recently but did try it years ago before MS reared its

ugly head and did not find it very helpful even then. But it might be

worth trying again. Thanks for the suggestion JT.

Kathy

On 12-Jan-05, at 10:48 PM, wrote:

> Have you considered using Melatonin to help you sleep?  I find it very

> useful and don't feel drugged the next morning.

>  

> JT

[Guest guest]

how much melatonin do you use

delores

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:36:57 -0700, Kathy Huget <etna@...> wrote:

> No I haven't recently but did try it years ago before MS reared its

> ugly head and did not find it very helpful even then. But it might be

> worth trying again. Thanks for the suggestion JT.

>

> Kathy

> On 12-Jan-05, at 10:48 PM, wrote:

>

> > Have you considered using Melatonin to help you sleep? I find it very

> > useful and don't feel drugged the next morning.

> >

> > JT

>

>

--

DeLo

[Guest guest]

3mg works fine for me, taken just before I go to bed. Some people use less, some more.

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: sleep

how much melatonin do you usedeloresOn Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:36:57 -0700, Kathy Huget <etna@...> wrote:> No I haven't recently but did try it years ago before MS reared its> ugly head and did not find it very helpful even then. But it might be> worth trying again. Thanks for the suggestion JT.> > Kathy> On 12-Jan-05, at 10:48 PM, wrote:> > > Have you considered using Melatonin to help you sleep? I find it very> > useful and don't feel drugged the next morning.> > > > JT> > -- DeLo

[Guest guest]

thanks I'll give it a try

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:46:57 -0800, <jatrac1@...> wrote:

> 3mg works fine for me, taken just before I go to bed. Some people use less,

> some more.

> Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: sleep

>

> how much melatonin do you use

> delores

>

>

> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 13:36:57 -0700, Kathy Huget <etna@...> wrote:

> > No I haven't recently but did try it years ago before MS reared its

> > ugly head and did not find it very helpful even then. But it might be

> > worth trying again. Thanks for the suggestion JT.

> >

> > Kathy

> > On 12-Jan-05, at 10:48 PM, wrote:

> >

> > > Have you considered using Melatonin to help you sleep? I find it very

> > > useful and don't feel drugged the next morning.

> > >

> > > JT

> >

> >

>

>

> --

> DeLo

>

> ________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I tried some OTC melatonin about 8 years ago, before I knew I have

MS, and it did not seem to help. I just could not get my mind to

shut down. I assume you are taking an OTC product. Is there a

particular brand that is better than another?

Thanks,

> > >

> > > > Have you considered using Melatonin to help you sleep? I

find it very

> > > > useful and don't feel drugged the next morning.

> > > >

> > > > JT

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > --

> > DeLo

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Just a thought and my 2 cents.

I have used Zanaflex and now use the generic brand, Tizanidine.

They are 4mg tablets. It will make you drowsey. I used to take 3 to 4

at bedtime, now take 2. It also helps with spasms. You could try that

if insurance will cover it.

ADJ

[Guest guest]

Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 04:58:11 -0000

From: " adj022762 " <adj022762@...>

Subject: Re: sleep

Just a thought and my 2 cents.

I have used Zanaflex and now use the generic brand, Tizanidine.

They are 4mg tablets. It will make you drowsey. I used to take 3 to 4

at bedtime, now take 2. It also helps with spasms. You could try that

if insurance will cover it.

I did not know that Zanaflex finally had a generic. That's good news for me

because it really helped me a lot when I could get it. More recently my

insurance would not cover it, and they started calling Baclofen the generic

equivalent for Zanaflex. I just gave it up because I knew that Baclofen was

not truly an equivalent for Zanaflex, regardless of the fact that they are

both drugs used for the same basic thing.

Okay, that's all beside the point. The reason I originally decided to

answer this message was to say that after a period of time Zanaflex stopped

making me sleepy anymore, or at least requiring a higher dosage to make me

sleepy enough to fall asleep. So I stopped using it to help me get to sleep

because I only have a very small amount of it left and I really do need it

for my legs sometimes. So I would not suggest counting on Zanaflex as a

long term alternative to help you get to sleep. Apparently one can develop

a tolerance to the properties that make you sleepy. Or maybe It's just my

strange body, for which many drugs do not do what they do for other people.

Vali

ADJ

[Guest guest]

I use California Health brand currently, but haven't seen any difference in other OTC brands.

[low dose naltrexone] Re: sleep

I tried some OTC melatonin about 8 years ago, before I knew I have MS, and it did not seem to help. I just could not get my mind to shut down. I assume you are taking an OTC product. Is there a particular brand that is better than another?Thanks,> > > > > > > Have you considered using Melatonin to help you sleep? I find it very> > > > useful and don't feel drugged the next morning.> > > > > > > > JT> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > DeLo> > > > ________________________________> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ADJ,

Does it affect your mobility the next day? Thats my biggest problem

with any sedative or spasm meds. The next day my legs are almost

useless. What type of MS do you have...if you dont mind my asking?

Thanks for your suggestion. I will mention some of these meds at my

next doctor visit.

Kathy H

On 13-Jan-05, at 9:58 PM, adj022762 wrote:

>

> Just a thought and my 2 cents.

> I have used Zanaflex and now use the generic brand, Tizanidine.

> They are 4mg tablets. It will make you drowsey. I used to take 3 to 4

> at bedtime, now take 2. It also helps with spasms. You could try that

> if insurance will cover it.

> ADJ

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

I really didn't notice much but I also take baclofen which I still

do, 1 every 6 hours. I also take licquid vitamins and minerals from

eniva + LDN, this combo seems to be working good for me, slow but

better than I felt before october.

I also use the ex n' flex ef-250 leg exerciser, that has help also in

reducing my leg spasms.

still use a scooter, but can now walk about 10 feet with my walker.

dx in 93 by the way.

ADJ

>

> >

> > Just a thought and my 2 cents.

> > I have used Zanaflex and now use the generic brand, Tizanidine.

> > They are 4mg tablets. It will make you drowsey. I used to take 3

to 4

> > at bedtime, now take 2. It also helps with spasms. You could try

that

> > if insurance will cover it.

> > ADJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I will google eniva cause that sounds interesting. I do the diet thing

as much as possible and do take lots of supplements and some very

expensive herbal products, but believe the liquid minerals are superior

and am not on them at present.

Really appreciate everyone's " non LDN " suggestions too cause this stuff

is all so relevant to conquering this disease! It really is trial and

error with this wretched illness! Exercise is something Im hit and

miss with but try and do atleast stretches everyday.

Kathy

On 14-Jan-05, at 6:49 PM, adj022762 wrote:

>

> Hi Kathy,

> I really didn't notice much but I also take baclofen which I still

> do, 1 every 6 hours. I also take licquid vitamins and minerals from

> eniva + LDN, this combo seems to be working good for me, slow but

> better than I felt before october.

> I also use the ex n' flex ef-250 leg exerciser, that has help also in

> reducing my leg spasms.

> still use a scooter, but can now walk about 10 feet with my walker.

> dx in 93 by the way.

> ADJ

>

[Guest guest]

Francesca Skelton wrote:

> As we continue to draw new members and better studies and insight into such

> things, I'm always hoping that someone will have a magic " whatever " to tell

> me about sleeping better naturally.

>

> Anyone?

>

No magic, but you know that. many in history famously did not sleep

much. But they napped. Could you nap during the day?

Positive Dennis

[Guest guest]

I took a trial of 3mgs melatonin some time ago - 3mgs before bed put

me in such a deep sleep i didn't want to get out of bed before noon.

Literally. That wasn't working so I cut the dose in half, a nice

deep sleep but I was still too groggy the next morn. So I stopped

taking it altogether. But for sleep it worked like a charm (for me!)

Too well..

>

> Folks: in spite of being on CR for about 7 years, I continue to sleep

> poorly. My doctor says there's nothing wrong with depending on

pills, but I

> would prefer not to; or at least only occasionally rather than often

as I do

> now. I do seem to need more sleep than I get and don't function

well on

> the nights when my sleep is poor. And I have developed a tolerance

for some

> of the sleep aids on the market; so those don't even work well anymore.

>

> This started in my late 40's right before menopause (I am now in my

60's)

> and seems to be what they call sleep disturbances that come with

middle and

> older age. My mother also slept poorly, relied on sleep medications for

> many years, but lived until almost 98, so I am hoping that this does not

> affect my longevity, but who knows?

>

> I have tried just about everything under the sun (fish oil,

melatonin, more

> exercise, yoga), but nothing seems to work long term. When I first

started

> yoga it seemed like my sleep improved for a while, but then went

right back

> to square one.

>

> We have discussed this before and even have a couple of " polls " taken in

> 2004 in our " polls " section. And Rodney even posted a hypothesis

about why

> women in particular, have poor sleep quality as they age.

>

> As we continue to draw new members and better studies and insight

into such

> things, I'm always hoping that someone will have a magic " whatever "

to tell

> me about sleeping better naturally.

>

> Anyone?

>

[Guest guest]

I believe I've mentioned this before. Have you read "The promise of Sleep", by Dement? It is natural as we age for our sleep alerting mechanisms to weaken. The book explains much, and offers good advice. I will occasionally have trouble sleeping if unusually stressed out, but after missing sleep the sleep debt will usually win out. Sometimes if I know I'm not getting enough I will make a point of going to bed early.My personal theory is that thinking about trying to fall asleep is counter productive. Good luck.JROn May 24, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Francesca Skelton wrote:Folks: in spite of being on CR for about 7 years, I continue to sleeppoorly. My doctor says there's nothing wrong with depending on pills, but Iwould prefer not to; or at least only occasionally rather than often as I donow. I do seem to need more sleep than I get and don't function well onthe nights when my sleep is poor. And I have developed a tolerance for someof the sleep aids on the market; so those don't even work well anymore.This started in my late 40's right before menopause (I am now in my 60's)and seems to be what they call sleep disturbances that come with middle andolder age. My mother also slept poorly, relied on sleep medications formany years, but lived until almost 98, so I am hoping that this does notaffect my longevity, but who knows?I have tried just about everything under the sun (fish oil, melatonin, moreexercise, yoga), but nothing seems to work long term. When I first startedyoga it seemed like my sleep improved for a while, but then went right backto square one. We have discussed this before and even have a couple of "polls" taken in2004 in our "polls" section. And Rodney even posted a hypothesis about whywomen in particular, have poor sleep quality as they age.As we continue to draw new members and better studies and insight into suchthings, I'm always hoping that someone will have a magic "whatever" to tellme about sleeping better naturally.Anyone?

[Guest guest]

Francesca, have you tried valerian?

It's a very mild herbal remedy that should not hit you as hard as the

melatonin. Ever since the very first night I gave it to my son (he was

4 and is now 6), he has been able to fall asleep easily and quickly,

stay asleep through the night, and wake refreshed, despite a very

disabling neurological disease that was previously interfering with

sleep. He never knew he was getting a sleep aid, because he has a

gastric tube for giving fluids directly into the stomach, and I simply

added it to his evening hydration fluids.

Here's a link to the product we use.

http://www.smartbomb.com/751063353403.html

I hope you find something that helps...

[Guest guest]

Yes. I have read everything I can get my hands on.

Although it is natural for sleep to be more disruptive as we age, I am

irritable the next day if I don't get enough rest. Which means I need more

sleep than I'm getting.

To Dennis: I don't/can't nap. Doesn't work for me.

To Bill: I'll try upping my melatonin dosage and see what happens. But I'm

pretty sure we mentioned here that sleep quality declines over time with

continued melatonin usage. I guess you can build up a tolerance for that

too. I'm certainly open to experimenting.

: I have tried Valerian with no success. I suppose I could try the

brand you use. However I probably need something stronger. I also have

tried a mixture of valerian, hops and other herbs in a tea - no luck there

either.

> From: <crjohnr@...>

> Reply-< >

> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:38:37 -0500

> < >

> Subject: Re: [ ] Sleep

>

> I believe I've mentioned this before. Have you read " The promise of

> Sleep " , by Dement? It is natural as we age for our sleep

> alerting mechanisms to weaken. The book explains much, and offers

> good advice.

>

> I will occasionally have trouble sleeping if unusually stressed out,

> but after missing sleep the sleep debt will usually win out.

> Sometimes if I know I'm not getting enough I will make a point of

> going to bed early.

>

> My personal theory is that thinking about trying to fall asleep is

> counter productive. Good luck.

>

> JR

>

>

>

>

> On May 24, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Francesca Skelton wrote:

>

>> Folks: in spite of being on CR for about 7 years, I continue to sleep

>> poorly. My doctor says there's nothing wrong with depending on

>> pills, but I

>> would prefer not to; or at least only occasionally rather than

>> often as I do

>> now. I do seem to need more sleep than I get and don't function

>> well on

>> the nights when my sleep is poor. And I have developed a tolerance

>> for some

>> of the sleep aids on the market; so those don't even work well

>> anymore.

>>

>> This started in my late 40's right before menopause (I am now in my

>> 60's)

>> and seems to be what they call sleep disturbances that come with

>> middle and

>> older age. My mother also slept poorly, relied on sleep medications

>> for

>> many years, but lived until almost 98, so I am hoping that this

>> does not

>> affect my longevity, but who knows?

>>

>> I have tried just about everything under the sun (fish oil,

>> melatonin, more

>> exercise, yoga), but nothing seems to work long term. When I first

>> started

>> yoga it seemed like my sleep improved for a while, but then went

>> right back

>> to square one.

>>

>> We have discussed this before and even have a couple of " polls "

>> taken in

>> 2004 in our " polls " section. And Rodney even posted a hypothesis

>> about why

>> women in particular, have poor sleep quality as they age.

>>

>> As we continue to draw new members and better studies and insight

>> into such

>> things, I'm always hoping that someone will have a magic " whatever "

>> to tell

>> me about sleeping better naturally.

>>

>> Anyone?

>>

>

[Guest guest]

At 11:25 AM 5/24/2007, you wrote:

>Yes. I have read everything I can get my hands on.

>

>Although it is natural for sleep to be more disruptive as we age, I am

>irritable the next day if I don't get enough rest. Which means I need more

>sleep than I'm getting.

>

>To Dennis: I don't/can't nap. Doesn't work for me.

>

>To Bill: I'll try upping my melatonin dosage and see what happens. But I'm

>pretty sure we mentioned here that sleep quality declines over time with

>continued melatonin usage. I guess you can build up a tolerance for that

>too. I'm certainly open to experimenting.

I take 3 X 3 mg with a glass of cold skim milk at night, and unless I

have inordinate real-world issues on my plate, I sleep well and awake

easily and refreshed in the morning. I initially found the groginess

thing to be true for me, too, but that's no longer the case.

Maco

[Guest guest]

On May 24, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Francesca Skelton wrote:

<snip>

>

> As we continue to draw new members and better studies and insight

> into such

> things, I'm always hoping that someone will have a magic

> " whatever " to tell

> me about sleeping better naturally.

>

> Anyone?

" Natural' it is not, but went to the doctor about a serious insomnia

problem lsting for some months, Neither ambien nor lunesta worked.

After trying a few other prescription meds doctor suggested 12 mg of

Seroquel (an atypical SSRI, described by MD as a 'hypnotic'), half of

the smallest pill available (25mg). It worked a little too well, so

chopped the pills into thirds for about 8mg and that worked fine. I

don't take it any more but was glad to have it while I needed it.

(Most serious possible, though rare, side effect is said to be

priapism. Not a concern for women, I suppose.)

L Cook

[Guest guest]

Have you tried hyponsis (either professional or through cd)? Hypnosis can do wonders. You may also try Chinese Medicine (herbs/acupuncture)... It seems to be able to treat many chronic conditions that Western medicine doesn't help much with (i.e. long term pain). -Ed

[Guest guest]

"Natural' it is not, but went to the doctor about a serious insomnia problem lsting for some months, Neither ambien nor lunesta worked. After trying a few other prescription meds doctor suggested 12 mg of Seroquel (an atypical SSRI, described by MD as a 'hypnotic'), half of the smallest pill available (25mg). It worked a little too well, so chopped the pills into thirds for about 8mg and that worked fine. I don't take it any more but was glad to have it while I needed it.

L Cook

How long did you take it? My problem is not just occasionally having a hard time going to sleep, but primarily not going back to sleep after waking up for urination purposes or whatever in the early morning. Could the tiny dose of Seroquel you describe work for that? It's to combat heavy stuff (schizofrenia and mania) but I suppose at that tiny does all you get is a side-effect, sleepiness. // Ulf

[Guest guest]

Good to hear from you Eddie!

Actually I am trying " acupressure " which is similar to acupuncture and you

can do it on yourself. I saw a prominent doctor on tv the other day who

talked about it although this is not currently accepted yet in the western

world. He said sometimes your " energy " balance gets out of whack and even

though we can't explain why/how it works, it sometimes does. I do happen to

own a book on this subject and there's plenty about it on the web (the

pressure points and which ones to use for what). I had completely forgotten

about acupressure until I happened to catch the tv program.

Last night I took 3 gms of melatonin and intentionally did not take any

other sleep aids (although I did a bit of acupressure on myself). I awoke

several times during the night but was able to immediately get back to

sleep. Tonight I'll try 4 gms. I did not wake up groggy. Whether it's the

melatonin or the acupressure (or the combination) , I don't know yet, but in

spite of the several awakenings I did have a more refreshing sleep (with

vivid dreams) than usual.

I agree with Ulf that Seroquel sounds like a pretty potent drug with

possible side effects. There is another seratonin enhancer called " Remeron "

which is wonderful for sleep. As little as 1/4 pill has helped me in the

past. Unfortunately I seem to have built up a tolerance for that as well as

some of the more popular sleeping pills.

You guys are great!!

> From: Eddie <vlad_storm@...>

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> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 03:31:22 -0700 (PDT)

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> Subject: [ ] Re: Sleep

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> Have you tried hyponsis (either professional or through cd)?

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> Hypnosis can do wonders.

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> You may also try Chinese Medicine (herbs/acupuncture)... It seems to be able

> to treat many chronic conditions that Western medicine doesn't help much with

> (i.e. long term pain).

>

> -Ed