Sleep

[Guest guest]

I took it for about two months, before bedtime. As a hypnotic, this is an 'off-label' prescription. (For schizophrenia, the dosage is much higher.) I had pretty much the same problem you have, waking up after a very few hours' sleep and not being able to get back to sleep. For that, it worked well. LCOn May 25, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Ulf Rasmusson wrote:  "Natural' it is not, but went to the doctor about a serious insomnia problem lsting for some months, Neither ambien nor lunesta worked. After trying a few other prescription meds doctor suggested 12 mg of Seroquel (an atypical SSRI, described by MD as a 'hypnotic'), half of the smallest pill available (25mg). It worked a little too well, so chopped the pills into thirds for about 8mg and that worked fine. I don't take it any more but was glad to have it while I needed it. L Cook How long did you take it?  My problem is not just occasionally having a hard time going to sleep, but primarily not going back to sleep after waking up for urination purposes or whatever in the early morning.  Could the tiny dose of Seroquel you describe work for that?   It's to combat heavy stuff (schizofrenia and mania) but I suppose at that tiny does all you get is a side-effect, sleepiness.    //  Ulf

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

My sleep issue, when I have one, is also waking up after ~four hours

sleep and not being able to get back to sleep.

A few years ago someone posted a solution here, a variation of which

works well for me.

In essence this solution goes like this: You probably do not realize

it but the reason you cannot get back to sleep is because you are

preoccupied about something and that has resulted in a tense muscle

somewhere in your body. Relaxing that muscle and getting your mind

off whatever it is you are preoccupied about will solve the problem

quickly.

What can I say. It works for me.

If I am not back asleep after five minutes I 'look for' a tense

muscle somewhere, and always find one. Then I relax it, assume the

my most comfortable sleep position, and actively think about

something about which I am certainly not likely to get preoccupied!

If five minutes later I am still not asleep, I look again for a tense

muscle, usually find one and relax it. And distract myself again. I

rarely have to repeat this more than twice before I suddenly notice

that it is time to get up!

Incidentally, the muscle, in my case, is always above my chest. May

be in the shoulders, neck, or jaw, and sometimes it is a smile!

Wherever it is, just relax it and distract yourself.

[incidentally, many thanks to the lady who pointed this out to us

here years ago. My apologies for not remembering who that was.]

Rodney.

>

> >

> >

> > " Natural' it is not, but went to the doctor about a serious

insomnia

> > problem lsting for some months, Neither ambien nor lunesta worked.

> > After trying a few other prescription meds doctor suggested 12 mg

of

> > Seroquel (an atypical SSRI, described by MD as a 'hypnotic'),

half of

> > the smallest pill available (25mg). It worked a little too well,

so

> > chopped the pills into thirds for about 8mg and that worked fine.

I

> > don't take it any more but was glad to have it while I needed it.

> > L Cook

> > How long did you take it? My problem is not just occasionally

> > having a hard time going to sleep, but primarily not going back

to

> > sleep after waking up for urination purposes or whatever in the

> > early morning. Could the tiny dose of Seroquel you describe

work

> > for that? It's to combat heavy stuff (schizofrenia and mania)

but

> > I suppose at that tiny does all you get is a side-effect,

> > sleepiness. // Ulf

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

Previous posts here on the subject of sleep include: 5014 / 5020 /

6105 / 8383 / 9094 / 9973 / 10251 / 10295 / 10373.

And I believe it was Ruth who made the suggestion that I

find works.

Rodney.

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Natural' it is not, but went to the doctor about a serious

> insomnia

> > > problem lsting for some months, Neither ambien nor lunesta

worked.

> > > After trying a few other prescription meds doctor suggested 12

mg

> of

> > > Seroquel (an atypical SSRI, described by MD as a 'hypnotic'),

> half of

> > > the smallest pill available (25mg). It worked a little too

well,

> so

> > > chopped the pills into thirds for about 8mg and that worked

fine.

> I

> > > don't take it any more but was glad to have it while I needed

it.

> > > L Cook

> > > How long did you take it? My problem is not just occasionally

> > > having a hard time going to sleep, but primarily not going back

> to

> > > sleep after waking up for urination purposes or whatever in

the

> > > early morning. Could the tiny dose of Seroquel you describe

> work

> > > for that? It's to combat heavy stuff (schizofrenia and mania)

> but

> > > I suppose at that tiny does all you get is a side-effect,

> > > sleepiness. // Ulf

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Have you tried 5HTP?

It is a form of the amino acid tryptophan, and is a precursor to the neurotransmitter serotonin. I have used it for years, taken at bedtime. I purchase it in 100 mg. capsules, and take two.

Many people take this as an anti-depressant, or to help with migraines. A lack of serotonin can apparently cause a variety of problems.

It is not to be used by those taking prescription anti- depressants without the advise of your doctor. I do take it early enough to allow enough time for at least six hours before getting up, due to the sedative effects.

As a small aside note, many thanks to all for the terrific group. I have not posted before, but read all of your posts.

Donna

[Guest guest]

I thought there was some controversy over 5HTP a few years ago when it

became popular. Where do you get it? I have not seen it in health food

stores but perhaps you purchase it from a web source.

> From: Sk8Rat <bythesword@...>

> Reply-< >

> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 06:59:16 -0700

> < >

> Subject: [ ] Re: Sleep

>

> Hello,

>

> Have you tried 5HTP?

>

> It is a form of the amino acid tryptophan, and is a precursor to the

> neurotransmitter serotonin. I have used it for years, taken at bedtime. I

> purchase it in 100 mg. capsules, and take two.

>

> Many people take this as an anti-depressant, or to help with migraines. A lack

> of serotonin can apparently cause a variety of problems.

>

> It is not to be used by those taking prescription anti- depressants without

> the advise of your doctor. I do take it early enough to allow enough time for

> at least six hours before getting up, due to the sedative effects.

>

> As a small aside note, many thanks to all for the terrific group. I have not

> posted before, but read all of your posts.

>

> Donna

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I do get 5HTP online, at iherb.com. The health food stores in my area have it also, but it is usually cheaper online.

I do not remember hearing about a controversy regarding 5HTP. Tryptophan is also available again without a prescription. But I have been told that 5HTP works better for a lot of people. It seems to work at least as well for me. It also costs less. : )

Hope this is of help...

Donna

[Guest guest]

Hi All, For the past year I have been taking Trazadone 25-50 mg at bedtime PRN for insomnia. I've found it to be very effective and doesn't cause me to feel foggy in the morning. It's also inexpensive and safe for long-term use. When I wake early in the a.m. I am able to go right back to sleep. Hope you're able to find some resolution to the sleep problem! ~Sheila

Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

[Guest guest]

Hi Francesca and everyone,

I take Now 100mg.Vcaps . Usually two at bedtime or half an hour or so before. You may only need one, though.

Another thing that can help with sleep is eating more of your protein requirement earlier in the day, or whenever you need to stay alert, and having more carbs later on. The carbs aid in the release of tryptophan.

The doctor I was seeing many years ago told me this, anyway. I cannot follow a very high complex carb, ultra low fat diet because I get too sleepy all day.This doctor had a lot of people on the McDougall plan, and was finding this symptom in some of his patients.

I take the 5 HTP with a little fruit juice,or half a piece of whole wheat bread, etc. just to help it along a bit. : )

Hope to hear how this works out for you. Good luck to you...

Donna

[Guest guest]

Hi Francesca,

For some people not being able to sleep may simply be a question at

some deeper level of not allowing yourself to sleep, that is the

problem is psycho-somatic: control over your conscious life does not

cease as you get into bed. So maybe it's not a question of «in spite

of cr» but rather because of cr, because of the level of control cr

brings to bear on your whole existence, there may be a need felt to

remain always awake, an attitude that develops from the need to be

always on the lookout. This attititude common enough today can be

made worse through CR. Maybe sometimes also better, who knows? Also

it's good to remember that it's hard to relax sufficiently when you

more or less consciously feel a little hungry. Best wishes for future

restful nights.

>

> Folks: in spite of being on CR for about 7 years, I continue to

sleep

> poorly. My doctor says there's nothing wrong with depending on

pills, but I

> would prefer not to; or at least only occasionally rather than

often as I do

> now. I do seem to need more sleep than I get and don't function

well on

> the nights when my sleep is poor. And I have developed a tolerance

for some

> of the sleep aids on the market; so those don't even work well

anymore.

>

> This started in my late 40's right before menopause (I am now in my

60's)

> and seems to be what they call sleep disturbances that come with

middle and

> older age. My mother also slept poorly, relied on sleep

medications for

> many years, but lived until almost 98, so I am hoping that this

does not

> affect my longevity, but who knows?

>

> I have tried just about everything under the sun (fish oil,

melatonin, more

> exercise, yoga), but nothing seems to work long term. When I first

started

> yoga it seemed like my sleep improved for a while, but then went

right back

> to square one.

>

> We have discussed this before and even have a couple of " polls "

taken in

> 2004 in our " polls " section. And Rodney even posted a hypothesis

about why

> women in particular, have poor sleep quality as they age.

>

> As we continue to draw new members and better studies and insight

into such

> things, I'm always hoping that someone will have a

magic " whatever " to tell

> me about sleeping better naturally.

>

> Anyone?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi : In my case I don't think this is valid. My problems started

some long ago when I was younger and not on CR. As mentioned in another post

I was in my late 40's. So I'm quite sure it's the type of insomnia that

comes from getting older. But I am dismayed that CR has not halted it or

stopped it (assuming that CR " ages " one more slowly). OTOH, I'm on a very

mild CR regimen so maybe I shouldn't expect too much.

My mother lived til almost 98 (and was independent in every way til 97 1/2)

and was a sleeping pill addict. So I'm hoping that it doesn't affect my

longevity either.

> From: Séguin <patrickseguin@...>

> Reply-< >

> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:26:28 -0000

> < >

> Subject: [ ] Re: Sleep

>

> Hi Francesca,

> For some people not being able to sleep may simply be a question at

> some deeper level of not allowing yourself to sleep, that is the

> problem is psycho-somatic: control over your conscious life does not

> cease as you get into bed. So maybe it's not a question of «in spite

> of cr» but rather because of cr, because of the level of control cr

> brings to bear on your whole existence, there may be a need felt to

> remain always awake, an attitude that develops from the need to be

> always on the lookout. This attititude common enough today can be

> made worse through CR. Maybe sometimes also better, who knows? Also

> it's good to remember that it's hard to relax sufficiently when you

> more or less consciously feel a little hungry. Best wishes for future

> restful nights.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>> Folks: in spite of being on CR for about 7 years, I continue to

> sleep

>> poorly. My doctor says there's nothing wrong with depending on

> pills, but I

>> would prefer not to; or at least only occasionally rather than

> often as I do

>> now. I do seem to need more sleep than I get and don't function

> well on

>> the nights when my sleep is poor. And I have developed a tolerance

> for some

>> of the sleep aids on the market; so those don't even work well

> anymore.

>>

>> This started in my late 40's right before menopause (I am now in my

> 60's)

>> and seems to be what they call sleep disturbances that come with

> middle and

>> older age. My mother also slept poorly, relied on sleep

> medications for

>> many years, but lived until almost 98, so I am hoping that this

> does not

>> affect my longevity, but who knows?

>>

>> I have tried just about everything under the sun (fish oil,

> melatonin, more

>> exercise, yoga), but nothing seems to work long term. When I first

> started

>> yoga it seemed like my sleep improved for a while, but then went

> right back

>> to square one.

>>

>> We have discussed this before and even have a couple of " polls "

> taken in

>> 2004 in our " polls " section. And Rodney even posted a hypothesis

> about why

>> women in particular, have poor sleep quality as they age.

>>

>> As we continue to draw new members and better studies and insight

> into such

>> things, I'm always hoping that someone will have a

> magic " whatever " to tell

>> me about sleeping better naturally.

>>

>> Anyone?

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have become dependent on the TV as a means of falling asleep.

While it blabs on in the background, you think you're listening,

then maybe there's a commercial, and before you know it, you're

asleep, not realizing when the show has drifted into a dream of

your own creation. Probably not the healthiest of techniques,

especially given the light it gives off. When I remember, I set

it up to " sleep, " so it will shut off automatically during the

night. But, if I get up to urinate, I often turn it back on.

Even as a child, I had to be the first in bed, so I could listen

to everyone else talk, brush their teeth, etc. while I fell asleep.

Weird, I know.

-

>

> >>Worry and anxiety significantly interfere with sleep, so

addressing those

> issues >>can be very important.

>

>

> I, too, am one of the people who struggle for sleep every night.

When I get

> into a frame of wanting to go to sleep, my mind switches to high

gear to sort

> out all the problems or concerns I might have. Now I have come up

with some

> pretty good solutions to life's problems, but I have lost so much

sleep that

> that has become a life problem.

> I have gone a long way to solving this by setting aside a specific

amount of

> time to " worry " problems though. I once heard that worriers

should spend 15

> to 20 minutes a day just worrying, maybe with a sheet of paper in

hand to jot

> down our thoughts.

> In setting aside the time just to worry, or problem solve, I have

found that

> I can turn this off at bedtime as my mind seems content to know it

will get

> time to sort through problems. Now, this has not solved all of my

sleep

> problems, but it has stopped my brain from kicking into high speed

the minute

> my head hits the pillow to worry about the problems of tomorrow.

>

> Janet S.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Have you tried listening to some relaxing music as you to go to sleep?

Or maybe a recording of some natural sound such as the ocean or a

gentle rain? I have had luck with all of these. I have also used the

television but worry about the subliminal influence of infomercials:-)

> >

> > >>Worry and anxiety significantly interfere with sleep, so

> addressing those

> > issues >>can be very important.

> >

> >

> > I, too, am one of the people who struggle for sleep every night.

> When I get

> > into a frame of wanting to go to sleep, my mind switches to high

> gear to sort

> > out all the problems or concerns I might have. Now I have come up

> with some

> > pretty good solutions to life's problems, but I have lost so much

> sleep that

> > that has become a life problem.

> > I have gone a long way to solving this by setting aside a specific

> amount of

> > time to " worry " problems though. I once heard that worriers

> should spend 15

> > to 20 minutes a day just worrying, maybe with a sheet of paper in

> hand to jot

> > down our thoughts.

> > In setting aside the time just to worry, or problem solve, I have

> found that

> > I can turn this off at bedtime as my mind seems content to know it

> will get

> > time to sort through problems. Now, this has not solved all of my

> sleep

> > problems, but it has stopped my brain from kicking into high speed

> the minute

> > my head hits the pillow to worry about the problems of tomorrow.

> >

> > Janet S.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My wife listens to the iPod, to books-on-electrons, to fall asleep.

When my first daughter was still in utero, I'd read them both Pride

and Prejudice, one of my Top Ten, and it inevitably put my wife to

sleep. Now when she listens to it, it's wonderfully soporific for

her. Similarly for my daughter! Three pages, and she's out.

;-)

Maco

At 05:16 PM 5/30/2007, you wrote:

>I have become dependent on the TV as a means of falling asleep.

>While it blabs on in the background, you think you're listening,

>then maybe there's a commercial, and before you know it, you're

>asleep, not realizing when the show has drifted into a dream of

>your own creation. Probably not the healthiest of techniques,

>especially given the light it gives off. When I remember, I set

>it up to " sleep, " so it will shut off automatically during the

>night. But, if I get up to urinate, I often turn it back on.

>

>Even as a child, I had to be the first in bed, so I could listen

>to everyone else talk, brush their teeth, etc. while I fell asleep.

>Weird, I know.

>

>-

[Guest guest]

Hi Maco:

Fits in well with the 'distraction' aspect of my routine.

Rodney.

>

> >I have become dependent on the TV as a means of falling asleep.

> >While it blabs on in the background, you think you're listening,

> >then maybe there's a commercial, and before you know it, you're

> >asleep, not realizing when the show has drifted into a dream of

> >your own creation. Probably not the healthiest of techniques,

> >especially given the light it gives off. When I remember, I set

> >it up to " sleep, " so it will shut off automatically during the

> >night. But, if I get up to urinate, I often turn it back on.

> >

> >Even as a child, I had to be the first in bed, so I could listen

> >to everyone else talk, brush their teeth, etc. while I fell asleep.

> >Weird, I know.

> >

> >-

>

[Guest guest]

You might try the Brain Entrainment Technology of www.innertalk.com or the Monroe Institute. Their CD's can be explored at www.monroeinstitute.org. The Innertalk CD's are done by Eldon who is a train ksonian Hypnotist. I find the Innertalk CD's are some of the best around. This is the best I can think of that does not require a medical script. Dual induction hypnosis is a fun and powerful way to explore hypnotic induction. Otherwise you can take Clonapin an anti epiliptic which is adictive and will help you stay asleep once you go to sleep. Or Ambein which is dangerous if you wake up and do not realize it you might be sleepwalking or sleep driving using Ambein. Bob

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[Guest guest]

My gallstones keep me up at night. I usually sleep about 6 to 8 hours each

night, but I wake up with some pain at different times throughout the night. I

can cut down on the pain by eating more for breakfast and lunch and less for

supper. I seem to always be thirsty. I drink some water that I leave on my

night stand. I keep doing my flushes. But I have not been able to eliminate

any big stones. I like to use the flush kit sold by Prime Health Products.

I've had problems for about seven years. But I keep trying to improve my diet,

exercise, and sleep.

[Guest guest]

have you tried gold coin to break up your stones, you take 1 tsp of the

tincture a day for 4 weeks, judy

On Apr 29, 2010, at 7:53 PM, mike t wrote:

> My gallstones keep me up at night. I usually sleep about 6 to 8 hours each

night, but I wake up with some pain at different times throughout the night. I

can cut down on the pain by eating more for breakfast and lunch and less for

supper. I seem to always be thirsty. I drink some water that I leave on my night

stand. I keep doing my flushes. But I have not been able to eliminate any big

stones. I like to use the flush kit sold by Prime Health Products. I've had

problems for about seven years. But I keep trying to improve my diet, exercise,

and sleep.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mike~I've not had luck with the over-the-counter cleanses.  Have you tried the

Hulda/Moritz cleanse yet?  Might have better luck doing the 'real thing'.  The

stones don't have to be big to be bothersome, so if you're getting only sludge

out,  that's fine, too.  Main thing is to just keep doing them,  and once a

month would be good.

The thirsty thing worries me..have you been checked for diabetes?

Good luck,

herbladie

 

My gallstones keep me up at night. I usually sleep about 6 to 8 hours each

night, but I wake up with some pain at different times throughout the night. I

can cut down on the pain by eating more for breakfast and lunch and less for

supper. I seem to always be thirsty. I drink some water that I leave on my night

stand. I keep doing my flushes. But I have not been able to eliminate any big

stones. I like to use the flush kit sold by Prime Health Products. I've had

problems for about seven years. But I keep trying to improve my diet, exercise,

and sleep.

[Guest guest]

mike, some people need 2 bottles of the gold coin, I don't know how big your

stones are

On May 1, 2010, at 5:43 PM, mike taylor wrote:

> Sorry for taking so long to reply, I tried your method the first time I ever

did a flush. But, I'm afraid I have some big stones. But I am sure I am

getting better. And every flush helps. I doing another one right now. Thanks

for the reply. Mike.

>

> ________________________________

> From: judy kemecsei <judyk8@...>

> gallstones

> Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 12:01:39 AM

> Subject: Re: Sleep

>

> have you tried gold coin to break up your stones, you take 1 tsp of the

tincture a day for 4 weeks, judy

> On Apr 29, 2010, at 7:53 PM, mike t wrote:

>

> > My gallstones keep me up at night. I usually sleep about 6 to 8 hours each

night, but I wake up with some pain at different times throughout the night. I

can cut down on the pain by eating more for breakfast and lunch and less for

supper. I seem to always be thirsty. I drink some water that I leave on my night

stand. I keep doing my flushes. But I have not been able to eliminate any big

stones. I like to use the flush kit sold by Prime Health Products. I've had

problems for about seven years. But I keep trying to improve my diet, exercise,

and sleep.

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

What's the problem with melatonin?

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sloan

Sent: July-20-10 11:08 PM

Subject: Sleep

Hi all, Anyone having sleep problems with your kids on ? My son is doing

great, but he really has a hard time turning going to sleep. he is typically

awake until 10:30... prior to we were using Melatonin which Dr. G says

is a big no-no. So, we have tried benedryl to no avail, any ideas?

[Guest guest]

Sloan

The use of Benedryl to suppot sleep is another miss direction in my eyes. (I

love when Marcia Hinds said she would test run meds on her self, if I relate on

how Benedryl effects me, it makes me drowsy when I take it and makes me stupid

for another day or two, Not the objective) Yes it does make him drowsy but that

is not the purpose of this med. For enviroment allergies you need a nasal

inhibitor, it reduces immune response to air born allergies. To use it to get

the kid asleep is covering up another issue. You are may be on  on the wrong

SSRI or too large a dose. Possibly taking it too late.

We had sleep problems for four or five years. When we finallly found the immune

triggers were the issue, (Food, We were controling airborn stuff with Flonasias

and Nasal Chom) sleep normalized almost immediately. Now he sleeeps like a

rock, 12 years old and he sleeeps 11 - 12 hours this summer - he has grown

inches and is now 110 lbs). The other thing is a long walk daily. These kids get

a ton of exercise but a schedule that gets them to burn chalories after dinner

(Get all sugar and carbs out of their system) really works wonders. Remember any

electronics in the evening winds them up, (Stimulates their hyper button) so

shut out all interactive electroncs (computer, game boy, WII) stuff in the

evenings. Then wear him out walking, basket ball anything that burns chalories

for a half hour or more (We walk the doges about 3/4 of a mile., when we get

back he is OUT COLD At 9:30!

Tuff love but good luck!

Bill

From: Sloan <Sloan_smith@...>

Subject: Sleep

Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 10:08 PM

 

Hi all, Anyone having sleep problems with your kids on ? My son is doing

great, but he really has a hard time turning going to sleep. he is typically

awake until 10:30... prior to we were using Melatonin which Dr. G says is a

big no-no. So, we have tried benedryl to no avail, any ideas?

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bill, great info. I am thinking it could be the SSRI, we changed it

recently and he is more hyper at night. Do you still do the Flonaise? Wondering

if that could help. Dr. G wants to try Tenex.

good point with the tv, we do let him watch tv before bed. guess i wont anymore!

it amazes me how active he is and how much excercise he gets and still he is

buzzing around late at night.

best, sloan

>

>

> From: Sloan <Sloan_smith@...>

> Subject: Sleep

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 10:08 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Hi all, Anyone having sleep problems with your kids on ? My son is doing

great, but he really has a hard time turning going to sleep. he is typically

awake until 10:30... prior to we were using Melatonin which Dr. G says is a

big no-no. So, we have tried benedryl to no avail, any ideas?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Benadryl makes my son nuts! Hyper and wacky at any dose.

Kristy Nardini

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klimas

Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:23 PM

Subject: Re: Sleep

Sloan

The use of Benedryl to suppot sleep is another miss direction in my eyes. (I

love when Marcia Hinds said she would test run meds on her self, if I relate on

how Benedryl effects me, it makes me drowsy when I take it and makes me stupid

for another day or two, Not the objective) Yes it does make him drowsy but that

is not the purpose of this med. For enviroment allergies you need a nasal

inhibitor, it reduces immune response to air born allergies. To use it to get

the kid asleep is covering up another issue. You are may be on on the wrong

SSRI or too large a dose. Possibly taking it too late.

We had sleep problems for four or five years. When we finallly found the immune

triggers were the issue, (Food, We were controling airborn stuff with Flonasias

and Nasal Chom) sleep normalized almost immediately. Now he sleeeps like a rock,

12 years old and he sleeeps 11 - 12 hours this summer - he has grown inches and

is now 110 lbs). The other thing is a long walk daily. These kids get a ton of

exercise but a schedule that gets them to burn chalories after dinner (Get all

sugar and carbs out of their system) really works wonders. Remember any

electronics in the evening winds them up, (Stimulates their hyper button) so

shut out all interactive electroncs (computer, game boy, WII) stuff in the

evenings. Then wear him out walking, basket ball anything that burns chalories

for a half hour or more (We walk the doges about 3/4 of a mile., when we get

back he is OUT COLD At 9:30!

Tuff love but good luck!

Bill

From: Sloan <Sloan_smith@... <mailto:Sloan_smith%40> >

Subject: Sleep

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Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 10:08 PM

Hi all, Anyone having sleep problems with your kids on ? My son is doing

great, but he really has a hard time turning going to sleep. he is typically

awake until 10:30... prior to we were using Melatonin which Dr. G says is a

big no-no. So, we have tried benedryl to no avail, any ideas?