Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 I would take a spoon full of organic apple cider vinegar 2 times a day. Also take some if you feel an 'attack' coming on. It should help. Where do you feel you pain when an 'attack' start? And how long is it? From: Sheri <sheridavis27@...> Subject: Need help - want to do the flush - 19 weeks pregnant gallstones Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 10:17 PM  OK, so I've been reading on here for 10 weeks while having 6 attacks during that period. I've been afraid to try the flush b/c I'm pregnant. My naturopathic dr. said it is too hard on the body during pregnancy, but at this point I am actually considering surgery b/c this is too painful and I am hardly able to eat anything w/o having an attack. I am not gaining weight, getting little nutrition and no protein which can't be good for the baby. Once I went to the hospital to get pain med's b/c it was so bad and they gave me a shot of morphine. Well that isn't good for the baby either. I can hardly breathe during the attacks and I can imagine how much worse that's going to be when I get further along in the pregnancy. However, I have MANY questions, if anyone wants to bear with me. They did confirm 2 calcified stones via ultrasound but they never told me how big they were. I'm scheduled for another ultrasound in the next two weeks but I don't think I want to wait that long. Hopefully, I can do the flush first and it will confirm that there are no longer stones. 1. There are many different varieties of flushes out there. I'm not sure which one to use. I have a sensitive stomach so I'm afraid I'm going to throw up. If I take Coke, it will likely keep me awake at night, but that may be my best option as I really miss my Coke. 2. Do I do one without epsom salts? I have just had two colon hydrotherapy sessions done and have one more scheduled. I'm hoping this helps clear the way for the stones to get out quicker. Does this mean I don't have to do an enema or the epsom salt drinks before the flush since I've done the colon hydrotherapy? I just had one done two days ago and haven't gone to the bathroom yet. I had a gallstone attack 2 hours after the colon cleanse. Not sure what that means. I would think it would be best to do the liver flush a couple days after a colon cleanse, but do I need to take 5 days to prep of eating apples and apple juice? I do eat about one apple a day and about 16 oz of apple juice a day for the last two months. I'd like to do the flush right away but don't know if now I need to wait to eat all the apples first. I don't feel comfortable doing an enema on myself. Maybe I should wait until after my next colon hydrotherapy? I had a friend who expelled stones during her 6th colon hydrotherapy but she also was taking herbs to help eliminate the stones, which cannot be taken during pregnancy. 3. Is it necessary to do a whole 2 cups of olive oil? Can you do less than this and still expel stones? 4. Do you experience gallstone like attacks during the time you are waiting to expel the stones? 5. Why do some people feel like they have the flu after the flushes? Some say they feel much better right away. 6. My naturopath said I have parasites but I can't find a natural parasite cleanse that is safe during pregnancy. Anyone know of one? Can I do the flush without doing a parasite cleanse first? I thought I had read that you have to do the parasite cleanse first or the flush may not be effective. 7. Once I do the flush, am I going to be able to eat more freely? I will still eat no red meat and I am GFCF(gluten and dairy free), but I'd love to be able to eat organic chicken, some soy, chocolate, sugar, occassional Coke, etc. again and some occassional red meat if possible. 8. After the flush, will I be free of gallstone attacks, or will I still be just as susceptible if I don't stay on the very restricted diet? My whole aim is to eliminate the stones and the attacks and be able to eat more foods. I'm just not getting enough nutrition and enough food while pregnant. I do exercise and I am not overweight. I am underweight. However, diet, exercise, supp's are still not preventing attacks. I have choline, Beta food,disodium phosphate, vit C, prenatals, aloe vera juice, digestive enzymes, probiotics, liver cleansing teas, chamomile tea, etc. I don't take all of those all the time b/c I was afraid they were causing the attacks, but I have them. 9. Has anyone done the flush and not passed stones? Just wondering what the failure rate was on doing the flush wrong. I'm afraid I'm going to do it wrong. 10. What was the recovery like for most of you? Were you sick for a couple days following the flush? I have 3 young kids to take care of. I will have someone here for at least the next day. My youngest tends to wake up in the middle of the night and wake me up which will be a pain. 11. And lastly, what in the world do you all do during an attack to ease the pain? I've been taking a hot bath and that helps some. I also took Tylenol and aloe vera juice but not sure if it helped or not. Still lasted over an hour. I did try drinking apple cider vinegar with apple juice but it just made me throw up a few times. My dr. prescribed Levbid which helps stop the gallbladder from contracting but I haven't picked it up yet. I hate to take anything while pregnant and not sure if it would help or not. Thanks for reading. If anyone has any answers, I would love to hear them. My husband's birthday is Saturday so I hate to do it tomorrow night, but maybe I'll try it Saturday night. I want these stupid stones out one way or another. I have to think a flush would be less painful than surgery. Thanks so much for any help. Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 I tried that once. It didn't work. I just put about 2 TB of ACV in about 4 oz of apple juice and took two drinks of it. I also drank about 8 oz of water and a little bit of some liver friendly tea (dandelion, milk thistle, all that stuff) In a few minutes, I was throwing up a few times. I can't stand the smell and taste of ACV, plus I'm pregnant so that prob makes it worse. The pain is right in the middle between my ribs and lasts about an hour to an hour and a half. >>>>>>I would take a spoon full of organic apple cider vinegar 2 times a day. Also take some if you feel an 'attack' coming on. It should help. >>>>>>Where do you feel you pain when an 'attack' start? And how long is it? Sheri http://allnaturalmomof3.blogspot.com Mark 10:27 " Jesus said to them, " With man this is impossible, but not with God. With God, all things are possible. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 have u tried af beta tablets from standard process they usually do the trick- I have taken up to 4 have heard people in this group have taken more- search archives but get them asap do not believe yeast is bad or effects but if u are cutting out animal protein ( which is a good idea) YOU NEED to supplement with nutritional yeast for your B vitamins being pregnant doubly important you get your proper supplements! also milk thistle will help drink plenty of water add lemon juice and table spoon of apple cider vinegar - u will get used to the taste - I did - add extra lemon to mask vinegar good luck PS also exercise and spend quiet time alone - no reading or thinking or tv or radio- blank 20 to 30 minutes a day twice a day - u will be pleasantly surprised at the results till then stay calm- it will all be ok - stress is worse than any GB problem On Apr 22, 2010, at 10:17 PM, Sheri wrote: > > --ek2Dp3hUUn0blHNhYxsWGo7iBsFRbRWJ3S63N1R > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > OK, so I've been reading on here for 10 weeks while having 6 attacks > during= > that period. I've been afraid to try the flush b/c I'm pregnant. > My natu= > ropathic dr. said it is too hard on the body during pregnancy, but > at this = > point I am actually considering surgery b/c this is too painful and > I am ha= > rdly able to eat anything w/o having an attack. I am not gaining > weight, g= > etting little nutrition and no protein which can't be good for the > baby. O= > nce I went to the hospital to get pain med's b/c it was so bad and > they gav= > e me a shot of morphine. Well that isn't good for the baby either. > I can = > hardly breathe during the attacks and I can imagine how much worse > that's g= > oing to be when I get further along in the pregnancy. However, I > have MANY= > questions, if anyone wants to bear with me. They did confirm 2 > calcified s= > tones via ultrasound but they never told me how big they were. I'm > schedul= > ed for another ultrasound in the next two weeks but I don't think I > want to= > wait that long. Hopefully, I can do the flush first and it will > confirm t= > hat there are no longer stones. =20 > > 1. There are many different varieties of flushes out there. I'm > not sure = > which one to use. I have a sensitive stomach so I'm afraid I'm > going to th= > row up. If I take Coke, it will likely keep me awake at night, but > that ma= > y be my best option as I really miss my Coke.=20=20 > > 2. Do I do one without epsom salts? I have just had two colon > hydrotherap= > y sessions done and have one more scheduled. I'm hoping this helps > clear t= > he way for the stones to get out quicker. Does this mean I don't > have to d= > o an enema or the epsom salt drinks before the flush since I've done > the co= > lon hydrotherapy? I just had one done two days ago and haven't gone > to the= > bathroom yet. I had a gallstone attack 2 hours after the colon > cleanse. = > Not sure what that means. I would think it would be best to do the > liver f= > lush a couple days after a colon cleanse, but do I need to take 5 > days to p= > rep of eating apples and apple juice? I do eat about one apple a > day and a= > bout 16 oz of apple juice a day for the last two months. I'd like to > do the= > flush right away but don't know if now I need to wait to eat all the > apple= > s first. I don't feel comfortable doing an enema on myself. Maybe > I shoul= > d wait until after my next colon hydrotherapy? I had a friend who > expelled= > stones during her 6th colon hydrotherapy but she also was taking > herbs to = > help eliminate the stones, which cannot be taken during pregnancy. > > 3. Is it necessary to do a whole 2 cups of olive oil? Can you do > less tha= > n this and still expel stones?=20=20 > > 4. Do you experience gallstone like attacks during the time you are > waiting= > to expel the stones? > > 5. Why do some people feel like they have the flu after the > flushes? Some= > say they feel much better right away. > > 6. My naturopath said I have parasites but I can't find a natural > parasite= > cleanse that is safe during pregnancy. Anyone know of one? Can I do > the f= > lush without doing a parasite cleanse first? I thought I had read > that you= > have to do the parasite cleanse first or the flush may not be > effective. = > =20 > > 7. Once I do the flush, am I going to be able to eat more freely? > I will = > still eat no red meat and I am GFCF(gluten and dairy free), but I'd > love to= > be able to eat organic chicken, some soy, chocolate, sugar, > occassional Co= > ke, etc. again and some occassional red meat if possible.=20 > > 8. After the flush, will I be free of gallstone attacks, or will I > still b= > e just as susceptible if I don't stay on the very restricted diet? > My whol= > e aim is to eliminate the stones and the attacks and be able to eat > more fo= > ods. I'm just not getting enough nutrition and enough food while > pregnant.= > I do exercise and I am not overweight. I am underweight. However, > diet,= > exercise, supp's are still not preventing attacks. I have choline, > Beta f= > ood,disodium phosphate, vit C, prenatals, aloe vera juice, digestive > enzyme= > s, probiotics, liver cleansing teas, chamomile tea, etc. I don't > take all = > of those all the time b/c I was afraid they were causing the > attacks, but I= > have them.=20=20 > > 9. Has anyone done the flush and not passed stones? Just wondering > what t= > he failure rate was on doing the flush wrong. I'm afraid I'm going > to do i= > t wrong.=20 > > 10. What was the recovery like for most of you? Were you sick for > a coupl= > e days following the flush? I have 3 young kids to take care of. I > will h= > ave someone here for at least the next day. My youngest tends to > wake up i= > n the middle of the night and wake me up which will be a pain.=20=20 > > 11. And lastly, what in the world do you all do during an attack to > ease th= > e pain? I've been taking a hot bath and that helps some. I also > took Tyle= > nol and aloe vera juice but not sure if it helped or not. Still > lasted ove= > r an hour. I did try drinking apple cider vinegar with apple juice > but it = > just made me throw up a few times. My dr. prescribed Levbid which > helps st= > op the gallbladder from contracting but I haven't picked it up yet. > I hate= > to take anything while pregnant and not sure if it would help or > not. = > =20 > > Thanks for reading. If anyone has any answers, I would love to hear > them. = > My husband's birthday is Saturday so I hate to do it tomorrow night, > but m= > aybe I'll try it Saturday night. I want these stupid stones out one > way or= > another. I have to think a flush would be less painful than > surgery. Tha= > nks so much for any help. > > Sheri=20=20=20=20=20=20 > > > --ek2Dp3hUUn0blHNhYxsWGo7iBsFRbRWJ3S63N1R > Content-Type: text/html; > charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN " " http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd > " > > <html> > <head> > </head> > > > > > > > > <body style= " background-color: #fff; " > > <span style= " display:none " > & nbsp;</span> > > <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> > <div id= " ygrp-mlmsg " style= " position:relative; " > > <div id= " ygrp-msg " style= " z-index: 1; " > > <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> > > <div id= " ygrp-text " > > > > <p>OK, so I've been reading on here for 10 weeks while having 6 > attacks during that period. I've been afraid to try the flush b/c > I'm pregnant. My naturopathic dr. said it is too hard on the body > during pregnancy, but at this point I am actually considering > surgery b/c this is too painful and I am hardly able to eat anything > w/o having an attack. I am not gaining weight, getting little > nutrition and no protein which can't be good for the baby. Once I > went to the hospital to get pain med's b/c it was so bad and they > gave me a shot of morphine. Well that isn't good for the baby > either. I can hardly breathe during the attacks and I can imagine > how much worse that's going to be when I get further along in the > pregnancy. However, I have MANY questions, if anyone wants to bear > with me. They did confirm 2 calcified stones via ultrasound but they > never told me how big they were. I'm scheduled for another > ultrasound in the next two weeks but I don't think I want to wait that > long Hopefully, I can do the flush first and it will confirm that > there are no longer stones. <br> > <br> > 1. There are many different varieties of flushes out there. I'm > not sure which one to use. I have a sensitive stomach so I'm afraid > I'm going to throw up. If I take Coke, it will likely keep me awake > at night, but that may be my best option as I really miss my Coke. > <br> > <br> > 2. Do I do one without epsom salts? I have just had two colon > hydrotherapy sessions done and have one more scheduled. I'm hoping > this helps clear the way for the stones to get out quicker. Does > this mean I don't have to do an enema or the epsom salt drinks > before the flush since I've done the colon hydrotherapy? I just had > one done two days ago and haven't gone to the bathroom yet. I had a > gallstone attack 2 hours after the colon cleanse. Not sure what > that means. I would think it would be best to do the liver flush a > couple days after a colon cleanse, but do I need to take 5 days to > prep of eating apples and apple juice? I do eat about one apple a > day and about 16 oz of apple juice a day for the last two months. > I'd like to do the flush right away but don't know if now I need to > wait to eat all the apples first. I don't feel comfortable doing an > enema on myself. Maybe I should wait until after my next colon > hydrotherapy? I had a friend who expelled stones during her 6th > colon hydrotherapy but she also was taking herbs to help eliminate > the stones, which cannot be taken during pregnancy.<br> > <br> > 3. Is it necessary to do a whole 2 cups of olive oil? Can you do > less than this and still expel stones? <br> > <br> > 4. Do you experience gallstone like attacks during the time you are > waiting to expel the stones?<br> > <br> > 5. Why do some people feel like they have the flu after the > flushes? Some say they feel much better right away.<br> > <br> > 6. My naturopath said I have parasites but I can't find a natural > parasite cleanse that is safe during pregnancy. Anyone know of one? > Can I do the flush without doing a parasite cleanse first? I > thought I had read that you have to do the parasite cleanse first or > the flush may not be effective. <br> > <br> > 7. Once I do the flush, am I going to be able to eat more freely? > I will still eat no red meat and I am GFCF(gluten and dairy free), > but I'd love to be able to eat organic chicken, some soy, chocolate, > sugar, occassional Coke, etc. again and some occassional red meat if > possible. <br> > <br> > 8. After the flush, will I be free of gallstone attacks, or will I > still be just as susceptible if I don't stay on the very restricted > diet? My whole aim is to eliminate the stones and the attacks and > be able to eat more foods. I'm just not getting enough nutrition > and enough food while pregnant. I do exercise and I am not > overweight. I am underweight. However, diet, exercise, supp's are > still not preventing attacks. I have choline, Beta food,disodium > phosphate, vit C, prenatals, aloe vera juice, digestive enzymes, > probiotics, liver cleansing teas, chamomile tea, etc. I don't take > all of those all the time b/c I was afraid they were causing the > attacks, but I have them. <br> > <br> > 9. Has anyone done the flush and not passed stones? Just wondering > what the failure rate was on doing the flush wrong. I'm afraid I'm > going to do it wrong. <br> > <br> > 10. What was the recovery like for most of you? Were you sick for > a couple days following the flush? I have 3 young kids to take care > of. I will have someone here for at least the next day. My > youngest tends to wake up in the middle of the night and wake me up > which will be a pain. <br> > <br> > 11. And lastly, what in the world do you all do during an attack to > ease the pain? I've been taking a hot bath and that helps some. I > also took Tylenol and aloe vera juice but not sure if it helped or > not. Still lasted over an hour. I did try drinking apple cider > vinegar with apple juice but it just made me throw up a few times. > My dr. prescribed Levbid which helps stop the gallbladder from > contracting but I haven't picked it up yet. I hate to take anything > while pregnant and not sure if it would help or not. <br> > <br> > Thanks for reading. If anyone has any answers, I would love to hear > them. My husband's birthday is Saturday so I hate to do it tomorrow > night, but maybe I'll try it Saturday night. I want these stupid > stones out one way or another. I have to think a flush would be > less painful than surgery. 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Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Hi Sheri~I feel for you......here is a link that will answer all your ?'s and more; http://curezone.com/faq/p/s.asp?a=28,571,2826 & s=21 Good luck, herbladie PS I've never done 2 cups of olive oil, 1/2 c. is plenty Also, my chiro told me once to use suppositories for short term if you can't go #2. Two days is way too long and all that 'crap' will back up in to the bloodstream and make you feel sick. I'm sure you're drinking lots of water? Drinking apple juice will soften the stones. Mix it with water if you have insulin problems, but just get it down for 5 days straight. I always do hydrotherapy one time b 4 a cleanse and two times after. You don't want the stones hanging out in your colon very long. Might be good to do some light senna tea, or laxative tea, to keep the colon cleansing, especially if you're constipated. Lots of probiotics, too, or water kefir. Good luck!  OK, so I've been reading on here for 10 weeks while having 6 attacks during that period. I've been afraid to try the flush b/c I'm pregnant. My naturopathic dr. said it is too hard on the body during pregnancy, but at this point I am actually considering surgery b/c this is too painful and I am hardly able to eat anything w/o having an attack. I am not gaining weight, getting little nutrition and no protein which can't be good for the baby. Once I went to the hospital to get pain med's b/c it was so bad and they gave me a shot of morphine. Well that isn't good for the baby either. I can hardly breathe during the attacks and I can imagine how much worse that's going to be when I get further along in the pregnancy. However, I have MANY questions, if anyone wants to bear with me. They did confirm 2 calcified stones via ultrasound but they never told me how big they were. I'm scheduled for another ultrasound in the next two weeks but I don't think I want to wait that long. Hopefully, I can do the flush first and it will confirm that there are no longer stones. 1. There are many different varieties of flushes out there. I'm not sure which one to use. I have a sensitive stomach so I'm afraid I'm going to throw up. If I take Coke, it will likely keep me awake at night, but that may be my best option as I really miss my Coke. 2. Do I do one without epsom salts? I have just had two colon hydrotherapy sessions done and have one more scheduled. I'm hoping this helps clear the way for the stones to get out quicker. Does this mean I don't have to do an enema or the epsom salt drinks before the flush since I've done the colon hydrotherapy? I just had one done two days ago and haven't gone to the bathroom yet. I had a gallstone attack 2 hours after the colon cleanse. Not sure what that means. I would think it would be best to do the liver flush a couple days after a colon cleanse, but do I need to take 5 days to prep of eating apples and apple juice? I do eat about one apple a day and about 16 oz of apple juice a day for the last two months. I'd like to do the flush right away but don't know if now I need to wait to eat all the apples first. I don't feel comfortable doing an enema on myself. Maybe I should wait until after my next colon hydrotherapy? I had a friend who expelled stones during her 6th colon hydrotherapy but she also was taking herbs to help eliminate the stones, which cannot be taken during pregnancy. 3. Is it necessary to do a whole 2 cups of olive oil? Can you do less than this and still expel stones? .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Sheri - do you have a confirmed diagnosis of gallstones? Ie: has an ultrasound or a gall bladder function test shown that you have stones or a poorly functioning gallbladder? I'll tell you why I ask when you write back. -shara From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On Behalf Of Sheri Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:18 AM gallstones Subject: Need help - want to do the flush - 19 weeks pregnant OK, so I've been reading on here for 10 weeks while having 6 attacks during that period. I've been afraid to try the flush b/c I'm pregnant. My naturopathic dr. said it is too hard on the body during pregnancy, but at this point I am actually considering surgery b/c this is too painful and I am hardly able to eat anything w/o having an attack. I am not gaining weight, getting little nutrition and no protein which can't be good for the baby. Once I went to the hospital to get pain med's b/c it was so bad and they gave me a shot of morphine. Well that isn't good for the baby either. I can hardly breathe during the attacks and I can imagine how much worse that's going to be when I get further along in the pregnancy. However, I have MANY questions, if anyone wants to bear with me. They did confirm 2 calcified stones via ultrasound but they never told me how big they were. I'm scheduled for another ultrasound in the next two weeks but I don't think I want to wait that long. Hopefully, I can do the flush first and it will confirm that there are no longer stones. 1. There are many different varieties of flushes out there. I'm not sure which one to use. I have a sensitive stomach so I'm afraid I'm going to throw up. If I take Coke, it will likely keep me awake at night, but that may be my best option as I really miss my Coke. 2. Do I do one without epsom salts? I have just had two colon hydrotherapy sessions done and have one more scheduled. I'm hoping this helps clear the way for the stones to get out quicker. Does this mean I don't have to do an enema or the epsom salt drinks before the flush since I've done the colon hydrotherapy? I just had one done two days ago and haven't gone to the bathroom yet. I had a gallstone attack 2 hours after the colon cleanse. Not sure what that means. I would think it would be best to do the liver flush a couple days after a colon cleanse, but do I need to take 5 days to prep of eating apples and apple juice? I do eat about one apple a day and about 16 oz of apple juice a day for the last two months. I'd like to do the flush right away but don't know if now I need to wait to eat all the apples first. I don't feel comfortable doing an enema on myself. Maybe I should wait until after my next colon hydrotherapy? I had a friend who expelled stones during her 6th colon hydrotherapy but she also was taking herbs to help eliminate the stones, which cannot be taken during pregnancy. 3. Is it necessary to do a whole 2 cups of olive oil? Can you do less than this and still expel stones? 4. Do you experience gallstone like attacks during the time you are waiting to expel the stones? 5. Why do some people feel like they have the flu after the flushes? Some say they feel much better right away. 6. My naturopath said I have parasites but I can't find a natural parasite cleanse that is safe during pregnancy. Anyone know of one? Can I do the flush without doing a parasite cleanse first? I thought I had read that you have to do the parasite cleanse first or the flush may not be effective. 7. Once I do the flush, am I going to be able to eat more freely? I will still eat no red meat and I am GFCF(gluten and dairy free), but I'd love to be able to eat organic chicken, some soy, chocolate, sugar, occassional Coke, etc. again and some occassional red meat if possible. 8. After the flush, will I be free of gallstone attacks, or will I still be just as susceptible if I don't stay on the very restricted diet? My whole aim is to eliminate the stones and the attacks and be able to eat more foods. I'm just not getting enough nutrition and enough food while pregnant. I do exercise and I am not overweight. I am underweight. However, diet, exercise, supp's are still not preventing attacks. I have choline, Beta food,disodium phosphate, vit C, prenatals, aloe vera juice, digestive enzymes, probiotics, liver cleansing teas, chamomile tea, etc. I don't take all of those all the time b/c I was afraid they were causing the attacks, but I have them. 9. Has anyone done the flush and not passed stones? Just wondering what the failure rate was on doing the flush wrong. I'm afraid I'm going to do it wrong. 10. What was the recovery like for most of you? Were you sick for a couple days following the flush? I have 3 young kids to take care of. I will have someone here for at least the next day. My youngest tends to wake up in the middle of the night and wake me up which will be a pain. 11. And lastly, what in the world do you all do during an attack to ease the pain? I've been taking a hot bath and that helps some. I also took Tylenol and aloe vera juice but not sure if it helped or not. Still lasted over an hour. I did try drinking apple cider vinegar with apple juice but it just made me throw up a few times. My dr. prescribed Levbid which helps stop the gallbladder from contracting but I haven't picked it up yet. I hate to take anything while pregnant and not sure if it would help or not. Thanks for reading. If anyone has any answers, I would love to hear them. My husband's birthday is Saturday so I hate to do it tomorrow night, but maybe I'll try it Saturday night. I want these stupid stones out one way or another. I have to think a flush would be less painful than surgery. Thanks so much for any help. Sheri No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2823 - Release Date: 04/22/10 18:31:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 My MD recommends the books by s Moritz - The amazing liver and gallbladder flush and the 21st century cures for healing (or something like that, I don't remember the title off the top of my head). Anyways, there are step by step instructions to do the flush. I would make sure that your doctor says its okay to do this while you're pregnant, though! My doc told me NOT to do any flush for now. (I'm not pregantn but having issues). -shara From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On Behalf Of Sheri Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:18 AM gallstones Subject: Need help - want to do the flush - 19 weeks pregnant OK, so I've been reading on here for 10 weeks while having 6 attacks during that period. I've been afraid to try the flush b/c I'm pregnant. My naturopathic dr. said it is too hard on the body during pregnancy, but at this point I am actually considering surgery b/c this is too painful and I am hardly able to eat anything w/o having an attack. I am not gaining weight, getting little nutrition and no protein which can't be good for the baby. Once I went to the hospital to get pain med's b/c it was so bad and they gave me a shot of morphine. Well that isn't good for the baby either. I can hardly breathe during the attacks and I can imagine how much worse that's going to be when I get further along in the pregnancy. However, I have MANY questions, if anyone wants to bear with me. They did confirm 2 calcified stones via ultrasound but they never told me how big they were. I'm scheduled for another ultrasound in the next two weeks but I don't think I want to wait that long. Hopefully, I can do the flush first and it will confirm that there are no longer stones. 1. There are many different varieties of flushes out there. I'm not sure which one to use. I have a sensitive stomach so I'm afraid I'm going to throw up. If I take Coke, it will likely keep me awake at night, but that may be my best option as I really miss my Coke. 2. Do I do one without epsom salts? I have just had two colon hydrotherapy sessions done and have one more scheduled. I'm hoping this helps clear the way for the stones to get out quicker. Does this mean I don't have to do an enema or the epsom salt drinks before the flush since I've done the colon hydrotherapy? I just had one done two days ago and haven't gone to the bathroom yet. I had a gallstone attack 2 hours after the colon cleanse. Not sure what that means. I would think it would be best to do the liver flush a couple days after a colon cleanse, but do I need to take 5 days to prep of eating apples and apple juice? I do eat about one apple a day and about 16 oz of apple juice a day for the last two months. I'd like to do the flush right away but don't know if now I need to wait to eat all the apples first. I don't feel comfortable doing an enema on myself. Maybe I should wait until after my next colon hydrotherapy? I had a friend who expelled stones during her 6th colon hydrotherapy but she also was taking herbs to help eliminate the stones, which cannot be taken during pregnancy. 3. Is it necessary to do a whole 2 cups of olive oil? Can you do less than this and still expel stones? 4. Do you experience gallstone like attacks during the time you are waiting to expel the stones? 5. Why do some people feel like they have the flu after the flushes? Some say they feel much better right away. 6. My naturopath said I have parasites but I can't find a natural parasite cleanse that is safe during pregnancy. Anyone know of one? Can I do the flush without doing a parasite cleanse first? I thought I had read that you have to do the parasite cleanse first or the flush may not be effective. 7. Once I do the flush, am I going to be able to eat more freely? I will still eat no red meat and I am GFCF(gluten and dairy free), but I'd love to be able to eat organic chicken, some soy, chocolate, sugar, occassional Coke, etc. again and some occassional red meat if possible. 8. After the flush, will I be free of gallstone attacks, or will I still be just as susceptible if I don't stay on the very restricted diet? My whole aim is to eliminate the stones and the attacks and be able to eat more foods. I'm just not getting enough nutrition and enough food while pregnant. I do exercise and I am not overweight. I am underweight. However, diet, exercise, supp's are still not preventing attacks. I have choline, Beta food,disodium phosphate, vit C, prenatals, aloe vera juice, digestive enzymes, probiotics, liver cleansing teas, chamomile tea, etc. I don't take all of those all the time b/c I was afraid they were causing the attacks, but I have them. 9. Has anyone done the flush and not passed stones? Just wondering what the failure rate was on doing the flush wrong. I'm afraid I'm going to do it wrong. 10. What was the recovery like for most of you? Were you sick for a couple days following the flush? I have 3 young kids to take care of. I will have someone here for at least the next day. My youngest tends to wake up in the middle of the night and wake me up which will be a pain. 11. And lastly, what in the world do you all do during an attack to ease the pain? I've been taking a hot bath and that helps some. I also took Tylenol and aloe vera juice but not sure if it helped or not. Still lasted over an hour. I did try drinking apple cider vinegar with apple juice but it just made me throw up a few times. My dr. prescribed Levbid which helps stop the gallbladder from contracting but I haven't picked it up yet. I hate to take anything while pregnant and not sure if it would help or not. Thanks for reading. If anyone has any answers, I would love to hear them. My husband's birthday is Saturday so I hate to do it tomorrow night, but maybe I'll try it Saturday night. I want these stupid stones out one way or another. I have to think a flush would be less painful than surgery. Thanks so much for any help. Sheri No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2823 - Release Date: 04/22/10 18:31:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Dr. Natasha -McBride, author of “Gut and Psychology Syndromeâ€, neurosurgeon and advanced nutritionist, says that if you go 36 hours with no bowel movement, you should do an enema. From: gallstones [mailto:gallstones ] On Behalf Of Marilyn J. Doughty Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:05 PM gallstones Subject: Re: Need help - want to do the flush - 19 weeks pregnant Hi Sheri~I feel for you......here is a link that will answer all your ?'s and more; http://curezone.com/faq/p/s.asp?a=28,571,2826 <http://curezone.com/faq/p/s.asp?a=28,571,2826 & s=21> & s=21 Good luck, herbladie PS I've never done 2 cups of olive oil, 1/2 c. is plenty Also, my chiro told me once to use suppositories for short term if you can't go #2. Two days is way too long and all that 'crap' will back up in to the bloodstream and make you feel sick. I'm sure you're drinking lots of water? Drinking apple juice will soften the stones. Mix it with water if you have insulin problems, but just get it down for 5 days straight. I always do hydrotherapy one time b 4 a cleanse and two times after. You don't want the stones hanging out in your colon very long. Might be good to do some light senna tea, or laxative tea, to keep the colon cleansing, especially if you're constipated. Lots of probiotics, too, or water kefir. Good luck! OK, so I've been reading on here for 10 weeks while having 6 attacks during that period. I've been afraid to try the flush b/c I'm pregnant. My naturopathic dr. said it is too hard on the body during pregnancy, but at this point I am actually considering surgery b/c this is too painful and I am hardly able to eat anything w/o having an attack. I am not gaining weight, getting little nutrition and no protein which can't be good for the baby. Once I went to the hospital to get pain med's b/c it was so bad and they gave me a shot of morphine. Well that isn't good for the baby either. I can hardly breathe during the attacks and I can imagine how much worse that's going to be when I get further along in the pregnancy. However, I have MANY questions, if anyone wants to bear with me. They did confirm 2 calcified stones via ultrasound but they never told me how big they were. I'm scheduled for another ultrasound in the next two weeks but I don't think I want to wait that long. Hopefully, I can do the flush first and it will confirm that there are no longer stones. 1. There are many different varieties of flushes out there. I'm not sure which one to use. I have a sensitive stomach so I'm afraid I'm going to throw up. If I take Coke, it will likely keep me awake at night, but that may be my best option as I really miss my Coke. 2. Do I do one without epsom salts? I have just had two colon hydrotherapy sessions done and have one more scheduled. I'm hoping this helps clear the way for the stones to get out quicker. Does this mean I don't have to do an enema or the epsom salt drinks before the flush since I've done the colon hydrotherapy? I just had one done two days ago and haven't gone to the bathroom yet. I had a gallstone attack 2 hours after the colon cleanse. Not sure what that means. I would think it would be best to do the liver flush a couple days after a colon cleanse, but do I need to take 5 days to prep of eating apples and apple juice? I do eat about one apple a day and about 16 oz of apple juice a day for the last two months. I'd like to do the flush right away but don't know if now I need to wait to eat all the apples first. I don't feel comfortable doing an enema on myself. Maybe I should wait until after my next colon hydrotherapy? I had a friend who expelled stones during her 6th colon hydrotherapy but she also was taking herbs to help eliminate the stones, which cannot be taken during pregnancy. 3. Is it necessary to do a whole 2 cups of olive oil? Can you do less than this and still expel stones? .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Sheri, this what helps me when I am feeling like I am going to have an attack. I take 1 teaspoon of epsom salt with water (dissolve it in water and drink it) and then put castor oil hot pack on the right side (liver area) and pain is usually gone after short period of time. Google " castor oil hot pack " for how to make it. When you have a problem like this it should be no " I can't take apple cider vinegar " (btw you should take the organic one, Braggs), or " I can not take so much oil or epsom salt " . I can take it with water, but it tastes much better if I take it with fresh made juice. You should exclude pasta (you eat a lot of it, this is a big trigger for attack), pancakes, potatoes, just a little multigrain organic bread, no potato chips, no crackers, for now forget about red meat (believe me you can live without it, it will be good for the baby too). You can eat fish sometimes (not fried). Eat salad, make it yourself and use olive oil instead of dressing (you can add a little bit of dressing to it). I have organic chicken sometimes. Buy AF Beta tablets by Standard process ( and I told you about it), it helped me a lot. ________________________________ From: Sheri <sheridavis27@...> gallstones Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 10:17:47 PM Subject: Need help - want to do the flush - 19 weeks pregnant  OK, so I've been reading on here for 10 weeks while having 6 attacks during that period. I've been afraid to try the flush b/c I'm pregnant. My naturopathic dr. said it is too hard on the body during pregnancy, but at this point I am actually considering surgery b/c this is too painful and I am hardly able to eat anything w/o having an attack. I am not gaining weight, getting little nutrition and no protein which can't be good for the baby. Once I went to the hospital to get pain med's b/c it was so bad and they gave me a shot of morphine. Well that isn't good for the baby either. I can hardly breathe during the attacks and I can imagine how much worse that's going to be when I get further along in the pregnancy. However, I have MANY questions, if anyone wants to bear with me. They did confirm 2 calcified stones via ultrasound but they never told me how big they were. I'm scheduled for another ultrasound in the next two weeks but I don't think I want to wait that long. Hopefully, I can do the flush first and it will confirm that there are no longer stones. 1. There are many different varieties of flushes out there. I'm not sure which one to use. I have a sensitive stomach so I'm afraid I'm going to throw up. If I take Coke, it will likely keep me awake at night, but that may be my best option as I really miss my Coke. 2. Do I do one without epsom salts? I have just had two colon hydrotherapy sessions done and have one more scheduled. I'm hoping this helps clear the way for the stones to get out quicker. Does this mean I don't have to do an enema or the epsom salt drinks before the flush since I've done the colon hydrotherapy? I just had one done two days ago and haven't gone to the bathroom yet. I had a gallstone attack 2 hours after the colon cleanse. Not sure what that means. I would think it would be best to do the liver flush a couple days after a colon cleanse, but do I need to take 5 days to prep of eating apples and apple juice? I do eat about one apple a day and about 16 oz of apple juice a day for the last two months. I'd like to do the flush right away but don't know if now I need to wait to eat all the apples first. I don't feel comfortable doing an enema on myself. Maybe I should wait until after my next colon hydrotherapy? I had a friend who expelled stones during her 6th colon hydrotherapy but she also was taking herbs to help eliminate the stones, which cannot be taken during pregnancy. 3. Is it necessary to do a whole 2 cups of olive oil? Can you do less than this and still expel stones? 4. Do you experience gallstone like attacks during the time you are waiting to expel the stones? 5. Why do some people feel like they have the flu after the flushes? Some say they feel much better right away. 6. My naturopath said I have parasites but I can't find a natural parasite cleanse that is safe during pregnancy. Anyone know of one? Can I do the flush without doing a parasite cleanse first? I thought I had read that you have to do the parasite cleanse first or the flush may not be effective. 7. Once I do the flush, am I going to be able to eat more freely? I will still eat no red meat and I am GFCF(gluten and dairy free), but I'd love to be able to eat organic chicken, some soy, chocolate, sugar, occassional Coke, etc. again and some occassional red meat if possible. 8. After the flush, will I be free of gallstone attacks, or will I still be just as susceptible if I don't stay on the very restricted diet? My whole aim is to eliminate the stones and the attacks and be able to eat more foods. I'm just not getting enough nutrition and enough food while pregnant. I do exercise and I am not overweight. I am underweight. However, diet, exercise, supp's are still not preventing attacks. I have choline, Beta food,disodium phosphate, vit C, prenatals, aloe vera juice, digestive enzymes, probiotics, liver cleansing teas, chamomile tea, etc. I don't take all of those all the time b/c I was afraid they were causing the attacks, but I have them. 9. Has anyone done the flush and not passed stones? Just wondering what the failure rate was on doing the flush wrong. I'm afraid I'm going to do it wrong. 10. What was the recovery like for most of you? Were you sick for a couple days following the flush? I have 3 young kids to take care of. I will have someone here for at least the next day. My youngest tends to wake up in the middle of the night and wake me up which will be a pain. 11. And lastly, what in the world do you all do during an attack to ease the pain? I've been taking a hot bath and that helps some. I also took Tylenol and aloe vera juice but not sure if it helped or not. Still lasted over an hour. I did try drinking apple cider vinegar with apple juice but it just made me throw up a few times. My dr. prescribed Levbid which helps stop the gallbladder from contracting but I haven't picked it up yet. I hate to take anything while pregnant and not sure if it would help or not. Thanks for reading. If anyone has any answers, I would love to hear them. My husband's birthday is Saturday so I hate to do it tomorrow night, but maybe I'll try it Saturday night. I want these stupid stones out one way or another. I have to think a flush would be less painful than surgery. Thanks so much for any help. Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2010 Report Share Posted April 25, 2010 Drink water...especially since you are pregn I find it odd that people, mostly women, do not poop for a week of more and think it is normal. Odd. J From: Shara Makinson <shara2282@...> Subject: RE: Need help - want to do the flush - 19 weeks pregnant gallstones Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 11:21 AM  Dr. Natasha -McBride, author of “Gut and Psychology Syndromeâ€, neurosurgeon and advanced nutritionist, says that if you go 36 hours with no bowel movement, you should do an enema. From: gallstones@gro ups.com [mailto:gallstones@gro ups.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn J. Doughty Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:05 PM gallstones@gro ups.com Subject: Re: Need help - want to do the flush - 19 weeks pregnant Hi Sheri~I feel for you......here is a link that will answer all your ?'s and more; http://curezone. com/faq/p/ s.asp?a=28, 571,2826 <http://curezone. com/faq/p/ s.asp?a=28, 571,2826 & s=21> & s=21 Good luck, herbladie PS I've never done 2 cups of olive oil, 1/2 c. is plenty Also, my chiro told me once to use suppositories for short term if you can't go #2. Two days is way too long and all that 'crap' will back up in to the bloodstream and make you feel sick. I'm sure you're drinking lots of water? Drinking apple juice will soften the stones. Mix it with water if you have insulin problems, but just get it down for 5 days straight. I always do hydrotherapy one time b 4 a cleanse and two times after. You don't want the stones hanging out in your colon very long. Might be good to do some light senna tea, or laxative tea, to keep the colon cleansing, especially if you're constipated. Lots of probiotics, too, or water kefir. Good luck! OK, so I've been reading on here for 10 weeks while having 6 attacks during that period. I've been afraid to try the flush b/c I'm pregnant. My naturopathic dr. said it is too hard on the body during pregnancy, but at this point I am actually considering surgery b/c this is too painful and I am hardly able to eat anything w/o having an attack. I am not gaining weight, getting little nutrition and no protein which can't be good for the baby. Once I went to the hospital to get pain med's b/c it was so bad and they gave me a shot of morphine. Well that isn't good for the baby either. I can hardly breathe during the attacks and I can imagine how much worse that's going to be when I get further along in the pregnancy. However, I have MANY questions, if anyone wants to bear with me. They did confirm 2 calcified stones via ultrasound but they never told me how big they were. I'm scheduled for another ultrasound in the next two weeks but I don't think I want to wait that long. Hopefully, I can do the flush first and it will confirm that there are no longer stones. 1. There are many different varieties of flushes out there. I'm not sure which one to use. I have a sensitive stomach so I'm afraid I'm going to throw up. If I take Coke, it will likely keep me awake at night, but that may be my best option as I really miss my Coke. 2. Do I do one without epsom salts? I have just had two colon hydrotherapy sessions done and have one more scheduled. I'm hoping this helps clear the way for the stones to get out quicker. Does this mean I don't have to do an enema or the epsom salt drinks before the flush since I've done the colon hydrotherapy? I just had one done two days ago and haven't gone to the bathroom yet. I had a gallstone attack 2 hours after the colon cleanse. Not sure what that means. I would think it would be best to do the liver flush a couple days after a colon cleanse, but do I need to take 5 days to prep of eating apples and apple juice? I do eat about one apple a day and about 16 oz of apple juice a day for the last two months. I'd like to do the flush right away but don't know if now I need to wait to eat all the apples first. I don't feel comfortable doing an enema on myself. Maybe I should wait until after my next colon hydrotherapy? I had a friend who expelled stones during her 6th colon hydrotherapy but she also was taking herbs to help eliminate the stones, which cannot be taken during pregnancy. 3. Is it necessary to do a whole 2 cups of olive oil? Can you do less than this and still expel stones? .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2010 Report Share Posted April 25, 2010 just grow a pair and do the ACV. ;0) From: Sheri <sheridavis27@...> Subject: Re: Need help - want to do the flush - 19 weeks pregnant gallstones Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 7:07 AM  I tried that once. It didn't work. I just put about 2 TB of ACV in about 4 oz of apple juice and took two drinks of it. I also drank about 8 oz of water and a little bit of some liver friendly tea (dandelion, milk thistle, all that stuff) In a few minutes, I was throwing up a few times. I can't stand the smell and taste of ACV, plus I'm pregnant so that prob makes it worse. The pain is right in the middle between my ribs and lasts about an hour to an hour and a half. >>>>>>I would take a spoon full of organic apple cider vinegar 2 times a day. Also take some if you feel an 'attack' coming on. It should help. >>>>>>Where do you feel you pain when an 'attack' start? And how long is it? Sheri http://allnaturalmo mof3.blogspot. com Mark 10:27 " Jesus said to them, " With man this is impossible, but not with God. With God, all things are possible. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2010 Report Share Posted April 25, 2010 Question: In the experience of those here, after you did one flush, were you able to eat more freely? I'm not going to go out and eat fast food every day, but I'd like to be able to eat chicken and meat again. I know meat may be out of the question, but don't think I can do without chicken. My problem is, with being pregnant, I know I am not getting enough nutrition eating this " anti-gallbladder attack " diet. I know I'm not a good eater, but before I was eating GFCF, Feingold (no artificials, etc.), mostly organic chicken and beef, rice and potatoes and fruit and no eggs b/c that's what my kids have to eat. I cooked all the time, rarely ate out. As for stress - LOL! - I started eating fast food b/c I was going through a divorce, had no money to buy all our organic food, and immediately started feeling nauseous and tired, so ate out even more, found out I was pregnant, had to put the house up for sale, look for a new house, had just started homeschooling my 9 yo son, have an autistic daughter who tantrums all the time, have two other sons who are likely ADHD...Stress? Yes. I can't do the ACV b/c I throw it up. It's not that I'm too wimpy to do it, just dont' feel like puking. I do have Beta tablets, along with choline and Disodium phosphate, but they don't " seem " to do anything. Not sure what they do. I'm going to talk to a surgeon this week. I may try the flush first, but with being pregnant, I don't think it's the wisest thing to do. If I weren't pregnant, I would prob try it. But, I'm only 106 lbs and 20 weeks pregnant. I'm not gaining too much weight b/c of how I'm eating, and I don't think I can tweak my diet any more. I hate veggies but I will do the super green powder drink as soon as it gets here. My midwife makes it from all organic ingredients. If I did the flush, I would probably faint, most likely be puking right away. It doesn't sound like doing one flush is going to do the trick. I don't think I can go through that more than once while prego. Plus, if it is not going to allow me to eat more foods, I see no point to it. I don't want to have more attacks, and I really need to be able to eat more to nourish my baby. I usually nurse for about 2 years so waiting until after I'm done nursing - that would be in 2 1/2 years. Can't wait that long. I know I'm taking a risk and I still may have problems. I might do the flushes after I'm done nursing. I've talked to so many people who have had their gallbladders out and have had no problems and have gone back to eating what they always ate. I'm not that naive, but I can't even think about going on a Disney cruise right now with my whole extended family b/c I have no idea what I would eat. I don't have constant pain, just attacks. I'm 33. I know this is probably b/c of years of eating tons of fast food since I was a kid till I was about 29, then I started eating better. But, before I lived on fast food - pizza, cheeseburgers and fries, and ice cream. Then I figured out dairy caused my migraines, and cut out dairy. Anyways, I'm just thinking that if I go through with a flush - yes, I would get rid of stones and probably feel better, but if I'm still going to have attacks if I don't eat very strictly, what's the point? I'd be in the same position, but with less stones in me. I don't know. Tell me if I'm wrong. Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 Sheri~Before you do anything as drastic as getting your gallbladder removed, you should get s Moritz book on liver/gallbladder cleansing. It's a quick read, and it will at least give you all the info so you can make an informed decision. I'm sure many people don't have problems right away, but over time, and b/c of no gallbladder,  most likely stones will start building up in the liver. I won't list all of the eventual side-effects of not having a gallbladder, but there are many. I am doing everything possible to save mine. As far as being able to eat more freely with one cleanse, it's an individual thing. I'm sure some have, but most probably haven't. Took lots of time to build up stones, and might take a few cleanses to remove them.  We have a good support base here, and I'm very thankful for that. The problem with being GFCF is that most people eat too many grains, etc., when they should be eating more live foods. If you don't like most veggies, you should at least be eating the ones like. I can only do ACV if I mix it with honey, so I understand. Good luck to you regardless of what you decide herbladie  Question: In the experience of those here, after you did one flush, were you able to eat more freely? I'm not going to go out and eat fast food every day, but I'd like to be able to eat chicken and meat again. I know meat may be out of the question, but don't think I can do without chicken. My problem is, with being pregnant, I know I am not getting enough nutrition eating this " anti-gallbladder attack " diet. I know I'm not a good eater, but before I was eating GFCF, Feingold (no artificials, etc.), mostly organic chicken and beef, rice and potatoes and fruit and no eggs b/c that's what my kids have to eat. I cooked all the time, rarely ate out. As for stress - LOL! - I started eating fast food b/c I was going through a divorce, had no money to buy all our organic food, and immediately started feeling nauseous and tired, so ate out even more, found out I was pregnant, had to put the house up for sale, look for a new house, had just started homeschooling my 9 yo son, have an autistic daughter who tantrums all the time, have two other sons who are likely ADHD...Stress? Yes. I can't do the ACV b/c I throw it up. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 Posted by: " Sheri " <mailto:sheridavis27@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Need%20help%20-%20want%20t o%20do%20the%20flush%20-%2019%20weeks%20pregnant> sheridavis27@... <sheridavis27> sheridavis27 Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:59 pm (PDT) Question: In the experience of those here, after you did one flush, were you able to eat more freely? I have done one flush. No stones. Instead of continuing flushes, I changed my diet based on www.gallbladderattack.com . Like you, I had extreme gall bladder pain with my first pregnancy. They did an ultrasound, where they found no stones, so they did nothing. (Many years later found out that it is actually non functioning). After changing my diet and losing 20 lbs in a month (down to 100 lbs and 5'6 " ) I have not had another attack. The surgeon wanted to take it out and almost 3 years later, I've still got it. I'm back up to my normal weight. You CAN do this while pregnant. You just need to eat more than I did. Lots more olive oil. I also was going through a separation at the time, and was homeschooling my kids as a single mom. You are having problems right now because of stress and hormonal fluctuations that cause gall bladder pain during pregnancy. Chances are, as soon as you have the baby the pain will be gone. Mine was. And I never had problems during my second pregnancy ten months later. Many of the foods you listed are horrible for you. Not to mention, they are usually pretty expensive. Invest instead in fruits and veggies, flax seeds, olive oil, and things that will help your body as well as your baby. Get some " Natural Calm " and use it daily. It is a magnesium supplement you drink like a tea. I can guarantee you are magnesium deficient. I use Bragg's salad dressings, which so far is the healthiest dressing I've found without making some myself. Over cucumbers.GREAT for the gall bladder. I was able to tolerate eggs with no problem. So I would hard boil some, slice them up and mix in cucumber slices for a cucumber/egg salad. And you can grate some beets over the top. If you have not visited www.gallbladderattack.com , see the pain relief solution. I can't remember what it is but it includes boiling flax seeds. I did this at one point and it really does work. I don't have any affiliation with the site; just found it very helpful, especially if you don't want to flush. I also suggest finding a good 'detox tea' or 'liver tea.' Just go to the tea section at your health food store and you will find one. Add raw honey to sweeten, and drink daily. Even if you get your gall bladder out, you MUST begin eating for health and not for pleasure. If you eat for health, you can enjoy treats now and then. But if you eat for pleasure, you will continue to have problems. What's the deal with the Disney Cruise? If your family gives a rip they would take your kids with them and let you have some peace and quiet at home for a few days. Adding a trip into the picture is just more stress. BTW, I can eat whatever I want now. I eat more dairy than a calf (which I've come to understand is what a person with adrenal fatigue needs.). We use raw dairy products and grass fed beef. I bake with olive oil instead of vegetable oil. Makes a huge difference. Good luck. Have a blessed day! Evie Maddox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 it is common not to have stones the first time, that means that the bile ducts are severely blocked, but the digging has begun to open them with the epsom salt, keep going to get those many 1,000's of stones out, judy On Apr 26, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Evie Maddox wrote: > > > > Posted by: " Sheri " > <mailto:sheridavis27@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Need%20help%20-%20want%20t > o%20do%20the%20flush%20-%2019%20weeks%20pregnant> sheridavis27@... > <sheridavis27> sheridavis27 > > Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:59 pm (PDT) > > Question: In the experience of those here, after you did one flush, were > you able to eat more freely? > > I have done one flush. No stones. Instead of continuing flushes, I changed > my diet based on www.gallbladderattack.com . Like you, I had extreme gall > bladder pain with my first pregnancy. They did an ultrasound, where they > found no stones, so they did nothing. (Many years later found out that it is > actually non functioning). After changing my diet and losing 20 lbs in a > month (down to 100 lbs and 5'6 " ) I have not had another attack. The surgeon > wanted to take it out and almost 3 years later, I've still got it. I'm back > up to my normal weight. You CAN do this while pregnant. You just need to eat > more than I did. Lots more olive oil. I also was going through a separation > at the time, and was homeschooling my kids as a single mom. > > You are having problems right now because of stress and hormonal > fluctuations that cause gall bladder pain during pregnancy. Chances are, as > soon as you have the baby the pain will be gone. Mine was. And I never had > problems during my second pregnancy ten months later. Many of the foods you > listed are horrible for you. Not to mention, they are usually pretty > expensive. Invest instead in fruits and veggies, flax seeds, olive oil, and > things that will help your body as well as your baby. Get some " Natural > Calm " and use it daily. It is a magnesium supplement you drink like a tea. I > can guarantee you are magnesium deficient. I use Bragg's salad dressings, > which so far is the healthiest dressing I've found without making some > myself. Over cucumbers.GREAT for the gall bladder. I was able to tolerate > eggs with no problem. So I would hard boil some, slice them up and mix in > cucumber slices for a cucumber/egg salad. And you can grate some beets over > the top. If you have not visited www.gallbladderattack.com , see the pain > relief solution. I can't remember what it is but it includes boiling flax > seeds. I did this at one point and it really does work. I don't have any > affiliation with the site; just found it very helpful, especially if you > don't want to flush. > > I also suggest finding a good 'detox tea' or 'liver tea.' Just go to the tea > section at your health food store and you will find one. Add raw honey to > sweeten, and drink daily. Even if you get your gall bladder out, you MUST > begin eating for health and not for pleasure. If you eat for health, you can > enjoy treats now and then. But if you eat for pleasure, you will continue to > have problems. > > What's the deal with the Disney Cruise? If your family gives a rip they > would take your kids with them and let you have some peace and quiet at home > for a few days. Adding a trip into the picture is just more stress. > > BTW, I can eat whatever I want now. I eat more dairy than a calf (which I've > come to understand is what a person with adrenal fatigue needs.). We use raw > dairy products and grass fed beef. I bake with olive oil instead of > vegetable oil. Makes a huge difference. Good luck. > > Have a blessed day! > > Evie Maddox > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Here's a flush I did that got rid of pain I had in my right side. I didn't inspect closely after flushing to see if I got rid of any stones. This seemed to be the " easiest " flush I came across, although I was woozy the 2nd day, weak the 3rd day, 4th day I was fine. He is a doctor who treats people so hopefully its effective. Also wonderful information posted by Evie. Say Goodbye to Gallstones (in 2 days) http://www.drmccarty.com/gallstones.htm Needed: 3 Gallons Apple Cider 2- 17 oz bottles of Cold Pressed Olive Oil (Bertolli's is a good brand) 10 Lemons Sea Salt Pineapple Juice (maybe, I didn't need it) Good luck, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 > > I have an autistic daughter > who tantrums all the time, have two other sons who are likely ADHD... Sheri, Do you know about the Weston A. Price Foundation? http://westonaprice.org/ If you've never heard of the WAPF, it's a grass roots organization that advocates the consumption of whole, natural, minimally processed, nutrient dense traditional foods, especially including those from animals that are NOT factory farmed, and are instead humanely treated and pasture raised exclusively on grass. Here's a link to a video of Sally Fallon Morell, president of the WAPF, giving a talk about the nutritional value of traditional foods: http://vimeo.com/10489302 Also, are you familiar with the work of Dr. Natasha McBride? She's a physician originally from Russia who now lives and practices in the UK and is doing some amazing work with autistic children. Her own son was diagnosed at the age of 3 with severe autism, and after doing intensive research she came up with a nutritional protocol which cured him, and he's now, as a teenager, totally recovered and no longer autistic. Here's a link to the first of a 6 videos of her talking about this protocol: Here's another link to a fascinating video of Dr. C McB. giving a talk last month in the UK all about nutrition and how it relates to the health of the digestive system, which is directly connected to the ability of the brain to function properly: http://vimeo.com/10507542 This is the link to Dr. McBride's website, which is based on her book entitled Gut and Psychology Syndrome: http://www.gapsdiet.com/ From what you've described about your children's behavioral issues, your own digestive challenges, and your history of eating lots of fast food, it occurred to me that the information at the links above might be very helpful for both you and your family. Elan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 check out www.magneticclay.com or net they may have heavy metal poisoning, I don't know what their diet is like, too much sugar, artificial sweeteners, artificial coloring, flavoring? judy On Apr 28, 2010, at 5:03 PM, elan_spire wrote: > > > > > > > > I have an autistic daughter > > who tantrums all the time, have two other sons who are likely ADHD... > > Sheri, > > Do you know about the Weston A. Price Foundation? > > http://westonaprice.org/ > > If you've never heard of the WAPF, it's a grass roots organization that advocates the consumption of whole, natural, minimally processed, nutrient dense traditional foods, especially including those from animals that are NOT factory farmed, and are instead humanely treated and pasture raised exclusively on grass. > > Here's a link to a video of Sally Fallon Morell, president of the WAPF, giving a talk about the nutritional value of traditional foods: > > http://vimeo.com/10489302 > > Also, are you familiar with the work of Dr. Natasha McBride? > > She's a physician originally from Russia who now lives and practices in the UK and is doing some amazing work with autistic children. Her own son was diagnosed at the age of 3 with severe autism, and after doing intensive research she came up with a nutritional protocol which cured him, and he's now, as a teenager, totally recovered and no longer autistic. > > Here's a link to the first of a 6 videos of her talking about this protocol: > > > > Here's another link to a fascinating video of Dr. C McB. giving a talk last month in the UK all about nutrition and how it relates to the health of the digestive system, which is directly connected to the ability of the brain to function properly: > > http://vimeo.com/10507542 > > This is the link to Dr. McBride's website, which is based on her book entitled Gut and Psychology Syndrome: > > http://www.gapsdiet.com/ > > From what you've described about your children's behavioral issues, your own digestive challenges, and your history of eating lots of fast food, it occurred to me that the information at the links above might be very helpful for both you and your family. > > Elan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Donna Gates of BodyEcology.com claims to have tremendous success through diet for autism. I think that her book is in the 10th edition now. I have her 9th edition - a very good book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Just received this link this morning: http://bodyecology.com/archive/three-siblings-recover-from-autism.php?utm_source\ =streamsend & utm_medium=email & utm_content=10506031 & utm_campaign=Why%20Your%20Dige\ stive%20Health%20Matters%20Most Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Yep heavy metals should be treated. Clay baths are actually a powerfully unrecognized way of getting rid of metals from the body. Magnetic clay is damn good clay I've tried several and none stack up to Magnetic clay. Look into australian bush flower remedies for emotional issues. Talk to someone who sells them. It is extremely effective and powerful but yet safe (similar to homeopathy). I can only handle 3 drops in water a day. Heavy metals can impair liver function (testing is not sensitive enough to pick up most liver dysfunction/damage) and the liver is the main place where anger is stored. Glutathione production may also be impaired by heavy metal or chemical toxicity (the liver becomes a saturated filter with all these pollutants) I would try www.lifewave.com Suzanne Sommers talks about it in her book Knockout. It increases Glutathione blood levels by 300%. This pales in comparison to what coffee enemas are capable of doing for the body (they increase Glutathione by 9x) but kids shouldnt have to do enemas nor would they want to in may cases. The lifewave patches stick onto the surface of the skin, put it on the right foot on the webbing between the big toe and the toe next to it, that is Lv 3. here is a picture of the Lv3 point: http://www.acuxo.com/meridianPictures.asp?point=LR3 & meridian=Liver > > > > > > > > I have an autistic daughter > > > who tantrums all the time, have two other sons who are likely ADHD... > > > > Sheri, > > > > Do you know about the Weston A. Price Foundation? > > > > http://westonaprice.org/ > > > > If you've never heard of the WAPF, it's a grass roots organization that advocates the consumption of whole, natural, minimally processed, nutrient dense traditional foods, especially including those from animals that are NOT factory farmed, and are instead humanely treated and pasture raised exclusively on grass. > > > > Here's a link to a video of Sally Fallon Morell, president of the WAPF, giving a talk about the nutritional value of traditional foods: > > > > http://vimeo.com/10489302 > > > > Also, are you familiar with the work of Dr. Natasha McBride? > > > > She's a physician originally from Russia who now lives and practices in the UK and is doing some amazing work with autistic children. Her own son was diagnosed at the age of 3 with severe autism, and after doing intensive research she came up with a nutritional protocol which cured him, and he's now, as a teenager, totally recovered and no longer autistic. > > > > Here's a link to the first of a 6 videos of her talking about this protocol: > > > > > > > > Here's another link to a fascinating video of Dr. C McB. giving a talk last month in the UK all about nutrition and how it relates to the health of the digestive system, which is directly connected to the ability of the brain to function properly: > > > > http://vimeo.com/10507542 > > > > This is the link to Dr. McBride's website, which is based on her book entitled Gut and Psychology Syndrome: > > > > http://www.gapsdiet.com/ > > > > From what you've described about your children's behavioral issues, your own digestive challenges, and your history of eating lots of fast food, it occurred to me that the information at the links above might be very helpful for both you and your family. > > > > Elan > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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