Re: DAVE---sodium ascorbate

[Guest guest]

Hi Steph. The product you bought was not an ascorbate no matter what it says on

the front of the label. They are taking the sodium and mixing it with ascorbic

acid and calling it an ascorbate. Fully reacted ascorbates take time in the lab

so it is a common adulteration to just mix the mineral and acid together and

call it what it is not. Ester C is a good fully reacted ascorbate but there are

others. Got to read the back portion to make sure. I prefer Magnesium,

calcium, potassium and zinc ascorbates to sodium just because of the

deficiencies in the above minerals and the over consumption of sodium in our

culture. Probably the best source of V-C is amla fruit. 4 times higher than

acerola and for some reason is not destroyed by heat.This is a spectacular herb,

so much so that Deepak has formed a multi level around it. All the best.

DAVE---sodium ascorbate

Dave, (if you happen to know this) I ordered some sodium ascorbate

because my PH level is so acidic I cannot tolerate citrus or ascorbic

acid, hoping I could tolerate the sodium ascorbate. However, after

getting it in the mail today I read the lable and ingredience as I

always do before taking something, and noticed it was simply a

combination of sodium bicarbonate and ascorbic acid. I never thought

about what it might be until I got it LOL. Now then, a couple years

ago Duncan Crow (is he here?) said that taking sodium bicarbonate to

help an acid stomach would only make things worse, so of course, my

question is----is sodium ascorbate a very good thing to take day after

day? I am trying to boost my vitamin C level but just can't tolerate

ascorbic acid. I eat a lot of blueberries, pomegranetes, stawberries,

rasberries etc.. but don't know if I am getting enough vitamin C that

way. Would be good if I could find a form of vitamin C I could tolerate

especially during cold and flue season but seems I can't find anything.

What foods other than citrus and berries is high in vit. C?

Steph

[Guest guest]

If someone is over acid taking sodium bicarbonate will not make things worse as

long is it is not at meals. I think Duncan's reference was probably about the

fact that most people are not over but under acid in which case it will

definitely screw up digestion. Taken with the ascorbic acid though should

buffer the effect. -D

DAVE---sodium ascorbate

Dave, (if you happen to know this) I ordered some sodium ascorbate

because my PH level is so acidic I cannot tolerate citrus or ascorbic

acid, hoping I could tolerate the sodium ascorbate. However, after

getting it in the mail today I read the lable and ingredience as I

always do before taking something, and noticed it was simply a

combination of sodium bicarbonate and ascorbic acid. I never thought

about what it might be until I got it LOL. Now then, a couple years

ago Duncan Crow (is he here?) said that taking sodium bicarbonate to

help an acid stomach would only make things worse, so of course, my

question is----is sodium ascorbate a very good thing to take day after

day? I am trying to boost my vitamin C level but just can't tolerate

ascorbic acid. I eat a lot of blueberries, pomegranetes, stawberries,

rasberries etc.. but don't know if I am getting enough vitamin C that

way. Would be good if I could find a form of vitamin C I could tolerate

especially during cold and flue season but seems I can't find anything.

What foods other than citrus and berries is high in vit. C?

Steph

[Guest guest]

Thankyou Dave, but I guess my real question here was more like, if

sodium bicarbonate has tons of sodium, then using it over a long period

of time like a lifetime taking it with vitamin C, wouldn't that be bad

for blood pressure???? Especially in my case where my adrenals are

exceedingly low and I crave salt so eat more sea salt than I should.

What do you think? Or would that not be a problem? There is also a

ton of sodium in other products that you eat such as chicken broth

etc..etc...so seems that the " buffered " vitamin C would be over doing

it. ON the other hand, if I don't take that type of vitamin C, I am

not ever going to get to take any as I just can't tolerate it and

vitamin C is something I need excessively in my condition====especially

with winter coming on. (Can't tolerate high acid fruits either.)

Feels like another 22 trap.

Steph

[Guest guest]

OOOOPS sorry Dave, I was reading my e-mails backwards so didn't see your

other message until I replied again. Anyway, I tried ester C and that

made me just as sick. Not just sick to my stomach but sick all over

the place, flat in bed in a coma state. There has to be a way for me

to get a bunch of C down myself daily. I need to alkalize but there

again, I have a problem. I purchased a tyent water device thinking I

would drink the alkaline water and wala, all would be better..

However, once again the catch-22 zapped me. The alkaline water burns

my stomach and keeps me from digesting food---just too sick for it and

stomach is too inflamed and additionally you can't take suppliments or

anything else with high alkaline water or it greatly inhances the

effects, which for me are mostly bad and I am always taking something to

try and survive. Strangely, the baking soda does not have the effect

that the alkaline water does and it doesn't bother me. Figures.

I need to kill off all the bugs and the fungus first so I can heal a

bit, but how do you do that in an over acidic condtion?

Duncan worked with me awhile back and I tried like heck to do everything

he said to do, but the problem is I can't take this and that and the

other thing because I am so sick and reactive. The big problem is the

leaking gut is so bad that everything just leaks through and I am

instantly experienceing near death poison reactions if I take even the

slightest wrong thing. No tolerance for most foods or any meds and a

lot of suppliments. Vitamin C is one of those things unfortunately,

including acid fruits.

Just eating anything at all bothers me to some degree.

Several years ago, I tried not eating at all and just doing greens and

vegies. for nearly three years. I got so deficient that I was in pain

all over my body and the fungus and other bad bacteria still didnt' die

even with all of the thousands of dollars in antifungals antibacterial

stuff I took. I could have bought a new car literally, with all the

money I spent on antifungals, electronic devices, suppliments and

expensive " programs " . The electronic devices work great for viruses

and external infections and probably larger parasites, but do absolutely

nothing against fungus or intestinal bacteria. I overdosed on good

bacteria and that didn't help either. Now I can't afford that stuff

anymore since my hubby passed a few years ago, nor to be running to

doctors. All of this to try and explain the situation better before

other suggestions are made. All I can think of is that somewhere or

someway, there is an answer to this situation, but I just havn't found

it yet. I keep telling myself, just hang in there and keep asking

questions and keep searching and keep trying new things------

Steph

[Guest guest]

K. Ascorbates most likely will not be the answer then. There are a very small

percentage of people who are allergic to V-C... I do not understand it

either... But there are more who have a corn protein intolerance. Next step,

get some V-C derived from sago palm, and try a small amount. If no problem

increase daily until you reach desired dose or have problems in which case we go

back to square one. Need to know more about the possible fungus/yeast/bacterial

concerns. Sometimes they are there, sometimes they are not, in which case we

chase red herring... As to leaky gut: doesn't matter invader or not, we want

to get you on some type of astringent to complex the proteins in the intestinal

wall. Typical herbs are gallnut (strongest), Geranium (strong), Amur cork tree

bark, praying mantis egg case (gentle), triphala (mild). See a lot of this.

No need to suffer. Email off group if you need. -D

Re: DAVE---sodium ascorbate

OOOOPS sorry Dave, I was reading my e-mails backwards so didn't see your

other message until I replied again. Anyway, I tried ester C and that

made me just as sick. Not just sick to my stomach but sick all over

the place, flat in bed in a coma state. There has to be a way for me

to get a bunch of C down myself daily. I need to alkalize but there

again, I have a problem. I purchased a tyent water device thinking I

would drink the alkaline water and wala, all would be better..

However, once again the catch-22 zapped me. The alkaline water burns

my stomach and keeps me from digesting food---just too sick for it and

stomach is too inflamed and additionally you can't take suppliments or

anything else with high alkaline water or it greatly inhances the

effects, which for me are mostly bad and I am always taking something to

try and survive. Strangely, the baking soda does not have the effect

that the alkaline water does and it doesn't bother me. Figures.

I need to kill off all the bugs and the fungus first so I can heal a

bit, but how do you do that in an over acidic condtion?

Duncan worked with me awhile back and I tried like heck to do everything

he said to do, but the problem is I can't take this and that and the

other thing because I am so sick and reactive. The big problem is the

leaking gut is so bad that everything just leaks through and I am

instantly experienceing near death poison reactions if I take even the

slightest wrong thing. No tolerance for most foods or any meds and a

lot of suppliments. Vitamin C is one of those things unfortunately,

including acid fruits.

Just eating anything at all bothers me to some degree.

Several years ago, I tried not eating at all and just doing greens and

vegies. for nearly three years. I got so deficient that I was in pain

all over my body and the fungus and other bad bacteria still didnt' die

even with all of the thousands of dollars in antifungals antibacterial

stuff I took. I could have bought a new car literally, with all the

money I spent on antifungals, electronic devices, suppliments and

expensive " programs " . The electronic devices work great for viruses

and external infections and probably larger parasites, but do absolutely

nothing against fungus or intestinal bacteria. I overdosed on good

bacteria and that didn't help either. Now I can't afford that stuff

anymore since my hubby passed a few years ago, nor to be running to

doctors. All of this to try and explain the situation better before

other suggestions are made. All I can think of is that somewhere or

someway, there is an answer to this situation, but I just havn't found

it yet. I keep telling myself, just hang in there and keep asking

questions and keep searching and keep trying new things------

Steph

[Guest guest]

Dave, send me your private e-mail address again would you? Also,

praying mantis egg cases 8:>O Frightening LOL.

Steph

[Guest guest]

Should be here. Insect egg cases are nothing... LOL. Wait until you see what

I recommend next... Sorry, Halloween is over, but just have to yank people's

chain a bit... -D

Re: DAVE---sodium ascorbate

Dave, send me your private e-mail address again would you? Also,

praying mantis egg cases 8:>O Frightening LOL.

Steph

[Guest guest]

Your constitution requires more " salt " than others. Salt being any mineral/acid

combo. This includes potassium, magnesium, zinc, etc. So while " salt " is good

for you, over predominance of sodium may not. Keeping in mind that sodium salts

are predominate in both nature and the human body so we should be getting a

predominance of sodium salts... If you do not have a problem with sodium

ascorbate, you should not have a problem with other mineral ascorbates. Because

you crave salt, which is not bad, and you eat a lot of sea salt, other mineral

ascorbates (than sodium) are probably better. -D

Re: DAVE---sodium ascorbate

Thankyou Dave, but I guess my real question here was more like, if

sodium bicarbonate has tons of sodium, then using it over a long period

of time like a lifetime taking it with vitamin C, wouldn't that be bad

for blood pressure???? Especially in my case where my adrenals are

exceedingly low and I crave salt so eat more sea salt than I should.

What do you think? Or would that not be a problem? There is also a

ton of sodium in other products that you eat such as chicken broth

etc..etc...so seems that the " buffered " vitamin C would be over doing

it. ON the other hand, if I don't take that type of vitamin C, I am

not ever going to get to take any as I just can't tolerate it and

vitamin C is something I need excessively in my condition====especially

with winter coming on. (Can't tolerate high acid fruits either.)

Feels like another 22 trap.

Steph