Re: revax for refrigerator too hot...anyway to avoid

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So, it seems the problem would be that she still believes the vaccines would be effective but the doc won't sign off that they were properly vaccinated for school. Otherwise, if she doesn't want to redo them, then don't.

I would point out the issue of trust. She trusted the doctors would properly refrigerate the vaccines, trusted that when her child was vaccinated that it would be sufficient protection and trusted that her child would only have to take the risk (of death--remind her every vaccine has that potential risk) for that vaccine one time.

Ask her what else they might not be trustworthy about concerning vaccines? The number of them? The supposed effectiveness? Where else might these refrigerators have been off a degree or more in this whole process? Were the vaccines in the fridge merely less potent or did they actually become more deadly not being properly stored? Do these "experts" really know what they're doing when giving false assurances and making life-threatening mistakes? How can she truly trust that the next vaccine is properly made and stored?

And then I would add that refrigeration should be the least of her worries and email her the lin to the vaccine package insert found her: (http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm). Tell her maybe this happened for a reason and refer her to Neil 's latest book to find out more truths about the vaccine safety and effectiveness.

Winnie

revax for refrigerator too hot...anyway to avoidVaccinations > > Greetings. I have a friend at work. She allowed some vax for her> youngster. Her MD is aware that she is very skeptical about vax > and not> doing every vax.> > At any rate, she was contacted because there was a problem with the> refrigerator at the dr's office and it was ONE degree too high. > So now> the FDA or some agency has made the determination that all the > kids vax'd> from vaccines in that fridge need to be re-vaxed for any/all > that were> stored there.> > I can't get into arguments with her about whether she should > have done it> in the first place, but she certainly does not want to re-do it. > And with> the temp being one degree off, it all seems spurious.> > At any rate, I told her that I would send to the group and see > if anyone> had advice on what she should do now that there is an agency > getting in> the middle of it.> >

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Yes you are exactly right...I was not so eloquent. It does have to do

with school.

She is definitely NOT pro vax. we were both at the protests that were

held a while back when they were trying to force the flu vax on NY RNs. I

was surprised that she did have her son have some vax, but I think she is

not totally off the fence at this point. she said that she does believe

in the polio vax which really surprised me. She may have not given MMR

because there were plenty of people at the rallies with kids with massive

damage from MMR. But in truth I did not ask her which ones she did or did

not give. We did not have a lot of time to talk and she was just sort of

giving me the basic concern.

At any rate, I agree with what you are saying...and yes I think she feels

that if vax works, the one degree that the fridge was off probably did not

change any effect that they did have (if they have one). But she probably

is concerned about the school stuff (which is years away, actually) and

she definitely does not want to re-do all the vax since she was ambivalent

about giving them once. Now to be told she has to do it again when she

felt that she was sort of compromising to do it the first time is really

upsetting her. I can understand...she was not sure what to do and went

kind of against her better beliefs and now to have this happen....

> So, it seems the problem would be that she still believes the vaccines

> would be effective but the doc won't sign off that they were properly

> vaccinated for school. Otherwise, if she doesn't want to redo them, then

> don't.

>

> I would point out the issue of trust. She trusted the doctors would

> properly refrigerate the vaccines, trusted that when her child was

> vaccinated that it would be sufficient protection and trusted that her

> child would only have to take the risk (of death--remind her every vaccine

> has that potential risk) for that vaccine one time.

>

> Ask her what else they might not be trustworthy about concerning vaccines?

> The number of them? The supposed effectiveness? Where else might these

> refrigerators have been off a degree or more in this whole process? Were

> the vaccines in the fridge merely less potent or did they actually become

> more deadly not being properly stored? Do these " experts " really know what

> they're doing when giving false assurances and making life-threatening

> mistakes? How can she truly trust that the next vaccine is properly made

> and stored?

>

> And then I would add that refrigeration should be the least of her worries

> and email her the lin to the vaccine package insert found her:

> (http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm). Tell her maybe this

> happened for a reason and refer her to Neil 's latest book to find

> out more truths about the vaccine safety and effectiveness.

>

> Winnie

>

>

> revax for refrigerator too hot...anyway to avoid

> Vaccinations

>

>>

>> Greetings. I have a friend at work. She allowed some vax for her

>> youngster. Her MD is aware that she is very skeptical about vax

>> and not

>> doing every vax.

>>

>> At any rate, she was contacted because there was a problem with the

>> refrigerator at the dr's office and it was ONE degree too high.

>> So now

>> the FDA or some agency has made the determination that all the

>> kids vax'd

>> from vaccines in that fridge need to be re-vaxed for any/all

>> that were

>> stored there.

>>

>> I can't get into arguments with her about whether she should

>> have done it

>> in the first place, but she certainly does not want to re-do it.

>> And with

>> the temp being one degree off, it all seems spurious.

>>

>> At any rate, I told her that I would send to the group and see

>> if anyone

>> had advice on what she should do now that there is an agency

>> getting in

>> the middle of it.

>>

>>

>

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what else would we say? don't do it\

Once was too much

Twice may be more than too much\

sheri

\At 11:06 PM 12/28/2011, you wrote:

>Greetings. I have a friend at work. She allowed some vax for her

>youngster. Her MD is aware that she is very skeptical about vax and not

>doing every vax.

>

>At any rate, she was contacted because there was a problem with the

>refrigerator at the dr's office and it was ONE degree too high. So now

>the FDA or some agency has made the determination that all the kids vax'd

>from vaccines in that fridge need to be re-vaxed for any/all that were

>stored there.

>

>I can't get into arguments with her about whether she should have done it

>in the first place, but she certainly does not want to re-do it. And with

>the temp being one degree off, it all seems spurious.

>

>At any rate, I told her that I would send to the group and see if anyone

>had advice on what she should do now that there is an agency getting in

>the middle of it.

>

>

>

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Most people point to polio because that's what we've heard most about over our lifetime, that and smallpox. Plus, it's the one the pediatricians like to use as the example of how wonderful vaccines are.

So, she's on the fence about vaccines. Good. It sounds as if the truth about vaccines is being unveiled to her. I'd be cautious about giving too much info since she seems to be bright enough to figure this out (way more than I was!). I'd have to agree with her that one degree is not a big deal.

Encourage her to follow her instincts, that she's right to question this and maybe add that she might not be aware but she doesn't have to vaccinate NOW for school. It is only the quantity of vaccines that matter for school, not when you get them (except for some brief spacing of boosters which your state law should outline).

Please let us know what she ends up doing.

Winnie revax for refrigerator too > hot...anyway to avoid> > Vaccinations > >> >>> >> Greetings. I have a friend at work. She allowed some vax for her> >> youngster. Her MD is aware that she is very skeptical about vax> >> and not> >> doing every vax.> >>> >> At any rate, she was contacted because there was a problem > with the> >> refrigerator at the dr's office and it was ONE degree too high.> >> So now> >> the FDA or some agency has made the determination that all the> >> kids vax'd> >> from vaccines in that fridge need to be re-vaxed for any/all> >> that were> >> stored there.> >>> >> I can't get into arguments with her about whether she should> >> have done it> >> in the first place, but she certainly does not want to re-do it.> >> And with> >> the temp being one degree off, it all seems spurious.> >>> >> At any rate, I told her that I would send to the group and see> >> if anyone> >> had advice on what she should do now that there is an agency> >> getting in> >> the middle of it.> >>> >>> >> > > The Aireheads: A blonde and two airedales, Anne, Trevor (SAA, > CGC, TDI,> RN) and Neville (OA, NAJ, NAF, C-BAA, C-IAA, C-BSLA, C-ISLA, C-> BJA, RN,> AKC Star Puppy)> > "When someone asks me "what's it like having an airedale?' I respond> "Imagine Robin with four legs and a tail. Only crazier."> --quoted in Dog a Day Calendar> > > >

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If people only knew how ineffective vaccines are...

Winnie

Re: revax for refrigerator too hot...anyway to avoidVaccinations > Thanks Winnie....yes, I hope she maintains her stance. I was > disappointedthat she did some vax, but, like you I've been > there, done that. (With my> furry kids...no skin kids....well, with my first, I wisened up > before I> got my youngster). I know that it is not an overnight blinding > insightfor many people. Both my first dog and I went through > quite a bit of crap> before I realized that it was the vaccines causing all sorts of other> stuff.> > good idea about the instincts. She is clearly distraught about the> thought of being asked to repeat these...and I guess they are > telling her> that they are all invalid. sigh.> >