Vitamin C info REVISED - source needs to be GMO-free

March 9, 2012

Vitamin C info

Sources for Sodium Ascorbate..................

Have to be very careful now - much sodium ascorbate is from corn

and corn is genetically engineered and much comes from China now

so I don't recommend Bronson anymore (they told me that some is from

China and some is not and can't guarantee that not from China and is not

gmo-free)

Can get here - Vitamin C Foundation

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info & cPath=1 & products_id=39 & zenid=1k643mkabqduhokfuk9a5570n7

Cathcart's Sodium Ascorbate Fine Powder - Retail

$40.45 (if get auto-ship,$30.40)

Vitamin C as Sodium Ascorbate. Not Made in China 250 grams (8 oz)of DSM

Quali-C hypoallergenic sodium ascorbate powder. Catchart's sodium

ascorbate is Vitamin C Foundation approved®. This non-acidic form of

vitamin C is guaranteed China-Free, GMO-free, and 100% corn free. Tested

and bottled at GMP facility. Per DSM specifications, product color is off

white to pale yellow.

Also here - this one is now cheaper than above (used to be higher) - 8 oz

bottle for $29.48

http://www.vitapurity.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=index & cPath=6

(corn free)

100% Pure Sodium Ascorbate Crystals - " Also available in

easy-to-swallow capsules! " A safe and effective essential

component for Recovery and Good Health. Corn free &

Pharmaceutical Grade!

Also buy 3 get 1 free

In UK I got from Health Plus

http://www.healthplus.co.uk BUT NEED to check if GMO

corn-free

in Australia - Melrose was suggested to me - BUT NEED to check if GMO

corn-free

http://www.naturalcity.com.au/product.aspx?id=2333

or google +sodium+ascorbate+australia+corn-free

Sodium Ascorbate Powder OR Ascorbic Acid (none of the other types - NO

calcium ascorbate or other mineral ascorbates)

Ascorbic Acid for those of you more alkaline (if you know your pH of your

body - can test your saliva and urine and if above 6.4, use ascorbic

acid) (PS Ascorbic Acid can also help to bring your pH down and make you

less alkaline)

Sodium Ascorbate for those of you who are more acidic (if you know your

pH of your body - can test your saliva & urine and if below 6.4, use

sodium ascorbate). Sodium ascorbate is buffered with Bicarb.

Also if you have a hard time tolerating the Ascorbic Acid (stomach

discomfort), use Sodium Ascorbate. (if you are EXTREMELY acidic -

and many are - you probably won't even absorb Vitamin C until you become

less acidic and that is another story how to do that)

We DO NOT synthesize Vitamin C in our own bodies as most animals

do! We are genetically lacking an enzyme (most of us - some people

may have it and those are the ones who live longer and seem to be able to

do anything to their bodies - we don't know). Dogs and cats don't

synthesize much either and so you see them greatly wounded by vaccination

without ability to recover.

That is why this is needed and really shouldn't be thought of as a

vitamin. IT IS A MAJOR NUTRIENT that we are lacking and can't

synthesize. I'll tell you more about that.

I have found a great book which I will share about.

Here is info on dosage and source to buy (not usually available in health

food stores).

IN ILLNESS - You or your child take it in increasing doses until you

start to get loose bowel movements (or the baby does if you are

breastfeeding), then you know you have reached your limit. Then you

back off a bit. You need to take in 3 or so doses a day to keep

your stores up. Start with the maintaining dose below and work your

way up until you reach bowel tolerance and then back off and maintain

that.

Also if want to give to the baby that you are nursing, express some

breastmilk, dissolve the vitamin C. Using a plastic dropper, drip

it into the inside of her cheek until all in, or get it into her as she

breastfeeds by inserting the dropper without breaking her

" seal " - not so easy!!!

Can give yourself and baby gets by breastmilk and/or give to your

baby.

If you are quite healthy, take it daily to keep your stores up, in a

maintenance dose as below.

MAINTENANCE DOSES

FOR AN ADULT probably 3,000-5,000 mg per day (divided in 2 or 3 doses -

so

that would be 1,000 - 1500 mg three times a day or so)

FOR A CHILD - Needs to be spread out thru day as goes from body in

4 hours or so. 1 kg is 2.2 pounds........... so divide the babies pounds

by 2.2 and that will give you kilos and then multiply X's 200-375 mg of

Sodium Ascorbate powder

Dosage rate = between 200 - 375 mg per kg of body weight over

waking hours, actual dose depends on individual.

So if your child weighs 4 kilos, one gram vitamin C = 1,000 mgs (

one-quarter of a level tsp) should be split into several doses, and given

from morning to evening....

One good pinch equals 250 mgs, if you want to use the vague

method.

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SOURCES

Have to be very careful now - much sodium ascorbate is from corn and corn

is genetically engineered and much comes from China now

so I don't recommend Bronson anymore

http://www.vitapurity.com/index_c.html

In UK I got from Health Plus

http://www.healthplus.co.uk BUT NEED to check if GMO

corn-free

in Australia - Melrose was suggested to me - BUT NEED to check if GMO

corn-free

http://www.naturalcity.com.au/product.aspx?id=2333

or google +sodium+ascorbate+australia+corn-free

Articles & info

http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm

TITRATING TO BOWEL TOLERANCE

The maximum relief of symptoms which can be expected with oral doses of

ascorbic acid is obtained at a point just short of the amount which

produces diarrhea. The amount and the timing of the doses are usually

sensed by the patient. The physician should not try to regulate exactly

the amount and timing of these doses because the optimally effective dose

will often change from dose to dose. Patients are instructed on the

general principles of determining doses and given estimates of the

reasonable starting amounts and timing of these doses. I have named this

process of the patient determining the optimum dose, TITRATING TO BOWEL

TOLERANCE. The patient tries to TITRATE between that amount which begins

to make him feel better and that amount which almost but not quite causes

diarrhea.

http://www.orthomed.com/klenner.htm

Journal of Applied Nutrition Vol. 23, No's 3 & 4, Winter 1971

Observations On the Dose and Administration of Ascorbic Acid When

Employed Beyond the Range Of A Vitamin In Human Pathology Frederick R.

Klenner, M.D., F.C.C.P.

********* " How Much Is Too Much? Dr. Cathcart believes the

ideal intake for any individual is the highest level they can tolerate

without loose bowels. On the basis of his experience with 11,000 patients

over 14 years this bowel tolerance level may be 10 to 15 grams in a

healthy person, 30 to 60 grams in a person with a cold, and over 199

grams per day in a person with a serious infectious illness. During an

infectious illness the best clinical results have been achieved by

maintaining high vitamin C levels in the blood through 3 or more grams

every four hours.

Fortunately, vitamin C is one of the least toxic substances known to man.

Four studies gave 10 grams of vitamin C to over 3000 patients without a

single reported incidence of toxicity. Other than the bowels there has

not been one single case of toxicity resulting from taking vitamin C

supplements, despite unfounded reports of potential risk for kidney

stones, raising blood uric acid levels, or 'rebound' scurvy. It is

unlikely that any vitamin has been tested to such an extent for toxicity

and it is safe to assume that supplemental levels of at least 10 grams a

day, or up to bowel tolerance, are completely safe. "

(again this may need to be sodium ascorbate form)

***********

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/mega_1_1.html#HOLFORD

VITAMIN C:

HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?

By Holford

Most Animals Produce The Equivalent Of 3 to 15 Grams of Vitamin C Every

Day

Vitamin C isn't a vitamin at all. It isn't a necessary component of diet,

at least for all mammals with the exception of guinea pigs, fruit eating

bats, the red vented bulbul bird and primates - which includes us. All

other species make their own.

This they do by converting glucuronic acid derived from glucose into

ascorbic acid (C6H8O6). Three enzymes are required to make this

conversion. One of these enzymes, or part of the enzyme system, is

missing in primates. Irwin Stone proposed, in 1965, that a negative

mutation may have occurred in these species so as to lose the ability to

produce vitamin C. In primates this is thought to have occurred in the

region of 25 million years ago.

Mutations can and frequently do occur in nature. Only those that put a

species at advantage at the time tend to become dominant. Unfortunately,

reversing such mutations is highly unlikely to occur. Unlike other

vitamins, vitamin C is required in large amounts which could only be

supplied by a tropical diet high in fruit and other vegetation. if

sufficient vitamin C could be obtained from such a diet the quantity of

glucose normally used to synthesize vitamin C could be channeled towards

energy production. This could conceivably have been an advantage for

primates or other species.

This advantage may have come at a price. Dr. Jungblut, an early pioneer

of vitamin C therapy in the 1930's, discovered that only us primates and

guinea pigs were susceptible to scurvy as well as anaphylactic shock,

pulmonary tuberculosis, diptheritic intoxication, a poliomyelitis-like

viral infection and a viral form of leukemia. None of the vitamin C

synthesizing laboratory animals had susceptibility to these diseases.

This is perhaps one of the first observations that led to the idea that

susceptibility to viral infections could be a consequence of vitamin C

deficiency. Could humanity's history of disease - endemic infections,

plagues and more recently cancer and heart disease - be the result of our

inability to produce vitamin C and our inability to obtain it from the

food we eat?

Vitamin C produced per day by different animal

species

(equivalent for 70 Kg Man)

Goat 2,280 - 13,300 mg

Rat 2,737 - 13,902 mg

Rabbit 1,547 - 15,820 mg

Cow 1,099 - 1,281 mg

Mouse 2,352 - 19,250 mg

Sheep 1,736 mg

Cat 336 - 2,800 mg

More than 50% of People Require Over 2,500 mg to Reach Maximum

Absorption

Vitamin C is One of the Least Toxic Substances Known to Man

The fact that almost all species continue to make vitamin C suggests that

the amount of vitamin C generally available from diet is not enough for

optimum nutrition except in exceptional circumstances such as a tropical

environment. The chart above shows the average amount produced by each

animal, adjusted to an equivalent body weight for Man. Under normal

circumstances the daily amount produced, adjusted for comparison to a 70

kg man, is somewhere between 3,000 mg and 15,000 mg, with an average of

5,400 mg.

Species of monkeys, such as the squirrel monkey, require an equivalent of

2,000 mg a day to maintain health and up to 1000 mg a day to maintain

blood levels found in the wild. Animals produce variable amounts

depending on their circumstances. Under conditions of stress or infection

synthesis can easily quadruple. Some primates appear to require up to

2,800 mg a day equivalent to survive the long-term stresses of captivity,

while guinea pigs require 3,000 mg per day to recover from

anesthesia.

What about us? While a mere 60 mg a day can prevent scurvy, the

deficiency disease first identified by Dr. Lind in 1753, it would

be illogical to assume that this is the optimal dose. A survey of doctors

in the US found that those who were healthiest consumed at least 250 mg

of vitamin C per day. A recent survey has shown that a person's vitamin

status is a good predictor of their mortality risk. High blood vitamin C

levels indicate a low risk for cardiovascular disease and certain types

of cancer and other immune based diseases. Optimal intakes to reduce risk

of such conditions would appear to be at least 500 mg per day. Expensive

Urine? But aren't you simply making expensive urine when you take large

amounts of supplements? Dr. Colgan investigated this often made

rebuttal. He investigated how much vitamin C we use by giving increasing

daily doses and measuring excretion. " Only a quarter of our subjects

reached their vitamin C maximum at 1,500 mg a day. More than half

required over 2,500 mg a day to reach a level where their bodies could

use no more. Four subjects did not reach their maximum at 5,000 mg. "

Increasing vitamin C intake from 50 mg to 500 mg tends to double serum

vitamin C levels. Increasing intake to 5,000 mg a day will double serum

levels again. Expensive urine? Vitamin C protects the bowel, kidneys and

bladder on the way out. As Dr. Colgan points out the average

victim of bowel or bladder cancer spends $26,000 for treatment - mostly

to no avail.

While it is valid to infer from this brief history of evolution, a

comparison with other species, and average excretion rates that optimal

vitamin C levels are probably above 1,000 mg with plenty of room for

individual variation,what about 'hard evidence'? What levels are required

to ensure maximum function of enzymes and body systems dependent on

vitamin C? A quick review of some of vitamin C's hundreds of biochemical

roles will help us here. Vitamin C is required for the synthesis of

collagen. Our intercellular glue that keeps skin, lungs, arteries, the

digestive tract and all organs intact. It is a potent anti-oxidant

protecting against free radicals, pollution, carcinogens, heavy metals,

and other toxins. It is strongly anti-viral and mildly anti-bacterial.

Energy cannot be made in any cell, brain or muscle without adequate

vitamin C. The adrenal glands have a high concentration of vitamin C

which is essential for stress hormone synthesis. Vitamin C is so central

in so many chemical reactions in the body that,without it, life is simply

not possible. Are Western Killer Diseases Symptoms of a Vitamin C

Deficiency? The immune system depends on having healthy immune cells and

associate molecules such as antibodies. Vitamin C is essential for both.

Antibody production increases on supplementing 1 gram of vitamin C. It is

also needed for interferon, complement, and prostaglandin production, and

is essential for the proper function of immune cells such as lymphocytes

and leukocytes. A recent study showed, in the test tube, that vitamin C

can even inactivate the HIV virus.

Thanks to the work of Linus ing and coworkers we know that 10 grams

of vitamin C doubles the life expectancy of cancer patients, and, in some

cases effects a complete cure. Its role is even more pivotal in

cardiovascular disease, which is now being postulated as the long-term

consequence of vitamin C deficiency. Just about every marker of

cardiovascular disease, arterial damage, high blood cholesterol levels,

low HDL levels, high levels of oxidized cholesterol, thick blood are all

improved by adequate vitamin C intake at levels up to 10 grams a day.

Vitamin C increases resistance to stress, lessens allergic reactions,

helps arthritic conditions, slows down the aging process and improves

energy production. Beneficial effects of vitamin C in human trials tend

to increase with the amount given up to, and above, 10 grams per day. On

the basis of research into vitamin C's effect on disease states it would

appear that an intake of somewhere between 1 and 10 grams may be optimal

simply for maintaining optimal function of the immune, endocrine and

cardiovascular system. How Much Is Too Much? Dr. Cathcart believes

the ideal intake for any individual is the highest level they can

tolerate without loose bowels. On the basis of his experience with 11,000

patients over 14 years this bowel tolerance level may be 10 to 15 grams

in a healthy person, 30 to 60 grams in a person with a cold, and over 199