Re: Rights of child with severe allergies forced to get Flu shot

March 22, 2012

I would imagine with the questions your asking alot of it would have to to with what state this person lives in.

I was horrified reading what happened how awful!

Rights of child with severe allergies forced to get Flu shot

Hi everyone,

I'm hoping someone here knows law regarding children with egg allergy. I have patient who's son has a severe egg allergy, among other severe allergies (for which I suspect his previous vaccines have played a large role)

His preschool said they would not allow him in this year with out a flu shot, and he was forced to sit in his allergists office for four hrs, and take the shot in four small doses while they waited for reaction.

He obviously did not have an exemption (religious or medical). I thought I remembered reading that if one has an egg allergy that they could be medically exempt from egg containing vaccines. This poor little guy has had a few bouts of anaphylactic shock that the Dr's term idiopathic (read unknown origin... but as we know it was likely brought on by the vax's)

My question is 3 part:

1. What is the law on allergies /and vax containing allergic substance?

2. Can a flu vax be compulsory for preschool?

3. Does having previous vax's nullify any chance of religious exemption?

I understand this may vary by state, they are in CT. Any advice would be appreciated, thanks so much!

Elissa (ped chiro and mom to non-vax'd 2yr old)

March 22, 2012

Have they tried getting a medical exemption? I would think with a known egg

allergy that would be possible. I cannot believe they would subject a child with

a known allergy to these shots!!

If not medical, I would get a religious one. I have read many cases where a

child was partially vaxxed, then the parent got a religious exemption.

I hope someone with CT experience can chime in - I'm in GA. I've used a

religious exemption for my older (younger is still at home) without any issues

in several places.

Hope the child is okay...

Magda

March 22, 2012

Supposedly the new and improved vaccines can be given to children with egg allergies. Don't you just love it? ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: "velecky@..." <velecky@...> Vaccinations Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Rights of child with severe

allergies forced to get Flu shot

Have they tried getting a medical exemption? I would think with a known egg allergy that would be possible. I cannot believe they would subject a child with a known allergy to these shots!!

If not medical, I would get a religious one. I have read many cases where a child was partially vaxxed, then the parent got a religious exemption.

I hope someone with CT experience can chime in - I'm in GA. I've used a religious exemption for my older (younger is still at home) without any issues in several places.

Hope the child is okay...

Magda

March 22, 2012

easy exemption in CT at present.

How tragic they didn't know their rights and would encourage you to

take an active role in letting people in your state know about exemptions ;-)

http://www.ct.gov/dph/lib/dph/infectious_diseases/pdf%20forms%20 & %20newsletters/\

religious_exemption_form.pdf

this is form they would sign - nothing more - no explanation needed

nor should their be

getting future vaxs could nullify it if the school knew

here is the medical exemption form

http://www.ct.gov/dph/lib/dph/infectious_diseases/pdf%20forms%20 & %20newsletters/\

religious_exemption_form.pdf

to be signed by a doctor but better to take religious exemption

Sheri

listowner

At 05:18 AM 3/22/2012, you wrote:

>Hi everyone,

>I'm hoping someone here knows law regarding children with egg

>allergy. I have patient who's son has a severe egg allergy, among

>other severe allergies (for which I suspect his previous vaccines

>have played a large role)

>His preschool said they would not allow him in this year with out a

>flu shot, and he was forced to sit in his allergists office for four

>hrs, and take the shot in four small doses while they waited for reaction.

>He obviously did not have an exemption (religious or medical). I

>thought I remembered reading that if one has an egg allergy that

>they could be medically exempt from egg containing vaccines.

>This poor little guy has had a few bouts of anaphylactic shock that

>the Dr's term idiopathic (read unknown origin... but as we know it

>was likely brought on by the vax's)

>My question is 3 part:

>1. What is the law on allergies /and vax containing allergic substance?

>2. Can a flu vax be compulsory for preschool?

>3. Does having previous vax's nullify any chance of religious exemption?

>I understand this may vary by state, they are in CT.

>

>Any advice would be appreciated, thanks so much!

>Elissa (ped chiro and mom to non-vax'd 2yr old)

>

>------------------------------------

>

March 22, 2012

Hi, Elissa,

I'm in CT. Answer to Q1) State law doesn't address the reasons for a medical exemption, just that a doctor needs to sign a statement that "immunization is medically contraindicated because of the physical condition of such child."

There's no law that requires a doctor to sign a medical exemption, if you can even get a doctor to admit a vaccine caused a reaction or that having an existing allergy is a risk. Unfortunately, wanting to avoid a reaction isn't generally enough. The child has to have had a bad reaction previously AND it usually is given for a particular vaccine or a specific ingredient that the doctor believes caused the problem (it's all guesswork anyway). Sometimes a doctor will give an exemption if a sibling had a reaction (my doc gave all my kids one for all vaccines based on my older's son's reaction to the MMR, although I use a religious exemption).

2) It look as if the flu vaccine is now required in CT. Several vaccines are listed in statute section 19a-79: (http://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/chap368a.htm#Sec19a-79.htm) and then it adds "and any other vaccine required by the schedule of active immunization adopted pursuant to section 19a-7f."

Section 19a-7f states: " the recommended schedule for active immunization for normal infants and children published by the committee on infectious diseases of the American Academy of Pediatrics or the schedule published by the National Immunization Practices Advisory Committee, as determined by the Commissioner of Public Health." I looked up the AAP recommendations and the flu vaccine is included.

3) Previous vaccination does not affect using a religious exemption. I've used one for years. You just can't get any afterwards. AND you don't need to mention it. I don't have any listed on my kids' health forms at all and our current ped doesn't have the old records showing some given.

Does your patient still wants her child to get some vaccines?

Winnie

Rights of child with severe allergies forced to get Flu shotVaccinations > Hi everyone,> I'm hoping someone here knows law regarding children with egg > allergy. I have patient who's son has a severe egg allergy, > among other severe allergies (for which I suspect his previous > vaccines have played a large role)> His preschool said they would not allow him in this year with > out a flu shot, and he was forced to sit in his allergists > office for four hrs, and take the shot in four small doses while > they waited for reaction.> He obviously did not have an exemption (religious or medical). I > thought I remembered reading that if one has an egg allergy that > they could be medically exempt from egg containing vaccines. > This poor little guy has had a few bouts of anaphylactic shock > that the Dr's term idiopathic (read unknown origin... but as we > know it was likely brought on by the vax's)> My question is 3 part:> 1. What is the law on allergies /and vax containing allergic > substance?2. Can a flu vax be compulsory for preschool?> 3. Does having previous vax's nullify any chance of religious > exemption?I understand this may vary by state, they are in CT. > > Any advice would be appreciated, thanks so much!> Elissa (ped chiro and mom to non-vax'd 2yr old)> > >

March 23, 2012

Thanks so much for all the quick info!!

I looked around online last night and had already sent her the link for the

medical exemption, but will advise on using the religious one.

I'm fairly certain that she does not want to assault his little system any

further (he's asthmatic as well), although since he is 5yrs old, he has already

received the full arsenal shots. I referred them to a great homeopath and sent

them home with " Healing the new Childhood Epidemics, the 4 A disorders " by

Bock, MD. The mom feels awful that she didn't know she had a choice

A large part of my practice is pregnant women, so I'm fortunate to get to them

early, but your right Sherri... I need to educate on a larger scale. I was

thinking of starting vax safety talks in the office for our community. Thanks

for the push!

It's infuriating to think of putting a child through this, and just as

infuriating to hear every other parent tell me about their child's neuro /

developemental issues! I'm not surprised that there is a new shot for egg

allergic... they have to capture every aspect of the market to hit their 2016

vax revenue projection of $52 billion (from the current $28 billion or so)

It really pisses me off!! Thanks again, I really appreciate this group!!

Elissa

>

> Hi, Elissa,

>

> I'm in CT. Answer to Q1) State law doesn't address the reasons for a medical

exemption, just that a doctor needs to sign a statement that " immunization is

medically contraindicated because of the physical condition of such child. "

>

> There's no law that requires a doctor to sign a medical exemption, if you can

even get a doctor to admit a vaccine caused a reaction or that having an

existing allergy is a risk. Unfortunately, wanting to avoid a reaction isn't

generally enough. The child has to have had a bad reaction previously AND it

usually is given for a particular vaccine or a specific ingredient that the

doctor believes caused the problem (it's all guesswork anyway). Sometimes a

doctor will give an exemption if a sibling had a reaction (my doc gave all my

kids one for all vaccines based on my older's son's reaction to the MMR,

although I use a religious exemption).

>

> 2) It look as if the flu vaccine is now required in CT. Several vaccines are

listed in statute section 19a-79:

(http://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/chap368a.htm#Sec19a-79.htm) and then it adds

" and any other vaccine required by the schedule of active immunization adopted

pursuant to section 19a-7f. "

>

> Section 19a-7f states: " the recommended schedule for active immunization for

normal infants and children published by the committee on infectious diseases of

the American Academy of Pediatrics or the schedule published by the National

Immunization Practices Advisory Committee, as determined by the Commissioner of

Public Health. " I looked up the AAP recommendations and the flu vaccine is

included.

>

> 3) Previous vaccination does not affect using a religious exemption. I've used

one for years. You just can't get any afterwards. AND you don't need to mention

it. I don't have any listed on my kids' health forms at all and our current ped

doesn't have the old records showing some given.

>

> Does your patient still wants her child to get some vaccines?

>

> Winnie

>

> Rights of child with severe allergies forced to get

Flu shot

> Vaccinations

>

> > Hi everyone,

> > I'm hoping someone here knows law regarding children with egg

> > allergy. I have patient who's son has a severe egg allergy,

> > among other severe allergies (for which I suspect his previous

> > vaccines have played a large role)

> > His preschool said they would not allow him in this year with

> > out a flu shot, and he was forced to sit in his allergists

> > office for four hrs, and take the shot in four small doses while

> > they waited for reaction.

> > He obviously did not have an exemption (religious or medical). I

> > thought I remembered reading that if one has an egg allergy that

> > they could be medically exempt from egg containing vaccines.

> > This poor little guy has had a few bouts of anaphylactic shock

> > that the Dr's term idiopathic (read unknown origin... but as we

> > know it was likely brought on by the vax's)

> > My question is 3 part:

> > 1. What is the law on allergies /and vax containing allergic

> > substance?2. Can a flu vax be compulsory for preschool?

> > 3. Does having previous vax's nullify any chance of religious

> > exemption?I understand this may vary by state, they are in CT.

> >

> > Any advice would be appreciated, thanks so much!

> > Elissa (ped chiro and mom to non-vax'd 2yr old)

> >

>

April 2, 2012

" The mom feels awful that she didn't know she had a choice "

I would like to urge everyone to get involved in the legislative

process at your local level. The above statement breaks my heart, and

it's why we need to fight, not only for child and parental rights as

it pertains to vaccines, but it needs to be the LAW that all parents

are MADE AWARE they have a choice in vaccination! In Colorado there

is now legislation that says every piece of info that goes out to a

parent that discusses vaccines also states that a waiver can be filed

in lieu of the vaccination records. That's minimal, and it should be

more, but it's a start. Please, I urge you to get involved in letting

parents know they DO have rights and a CHOICE (in most states)!

April 2, 2012

Can you point me in the direction of those numbers on projected earnings for vax

revenue in 2016, I want to learn more.

> >

> > Hi, Elissa,

> >

> > I'm in CT. Answer to Q1) State law doesn't address the reasons for a

medical exemption, just that a doctor needs to sign a statement that

" immunization is medically contraindicated because of the physical condition of

such child. "

> >

> > There's no law that requires a doctor to sign a medical exemption, if you

can even get a doctor to admit a vaccine caused a reaction or that having an

existing allergy is a risk. Unfortunately, wanting to avoid a reaction isn't

generally enough. The child has to have had a bad reaction previously AND it

usually is given for a particular vaccine or a specific ingredient that the

doctor believes caused the problem (it's all guesswork anyway). Sometimes a

doctor will give an exemption if a sibling had a reaction (my doc gave all my

kids one for all vaccines based on my older's son's reaction to the MMR,

although I use a religious exemption).

> >

> > 2) It look as if the flu vaccine is now required in CT. Several vaccines are

listed in statute section 19a-79:

(http://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/chap368a.htm#Sec19a-79.htm) and then it adds

" and any other vaccine required by the schedule of active immunization adopted

pursuant to section 19a-7f. "

> >

> > Section 19a-7f states: " the recommended schedule for active immunization

for normal infants and children published by the committee on infectious

diseases of the American Academy of Pediatrics or the schedule published by the

National Immunization Practices Advisory Committee, as determined by the

Commissioner of Public Health. " I looked up the AAP recommendations and the flu

vaccine is included.

> >

> > 3) Previous vaccination does not affect using a religious exemption. I've

used one for years. You just can't get any afterwards. AND you don't need to

mention it. I don't have any listed on my kids' health forms at all and our

current ped doesn't have the old records showing some given.

> >

> > Does your patient still wants her child to get some vaccines?

> >

> > Winnie

> >

> > Rights of child with severe allergies forced to get

Flu shot

> > Vaccinations

> >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > > I'm hoping someone here knows law regarding children with egg

> > > allergy. I have patient who's son has a severe egg allergy,

> > > among other severe allergies (for which I suspect his previous

> > > vaccines have played a large role)

> > > His preschool said they would not allow him in this year with

> > > out a flu shot, and he was forced to sit in his allergists

> > > office for four hrs, and take the shot in four small doses while

> > > they waited for reaction.

> > > He obviously did not have an exemption (religious or medical). I

> > > thought I remembered reading that if one has an egg allergy that

> > > they could be medically exempt from egg containing vaccines.

> > > This poor little guy has had a few bouts of anaphylactic shock

> > > that the Dr's term idiopathic (read unknown origin... but as we

> > > know it was likely brought on by the vax's)

> > > My question is 3 part:

> > > 1. What is the law on allergies /and vax containing allergic

> > > substance?2. Can a flu vax be compulsory for preschool?

> > > 3. Does having previous vax's nullify any chance of religious

> > > exemption?I understand this may vary by state, they are in CT.

> > >

> > > Any advice would be appreciated, thanks so much!

> > > Elissa (ped chiro and mom to non-vax'd 2yr old)

> > >

> >

>

April 2, 2012

I've met a lot of angry parents who found out about exemptions after the fact. It should be illegal to withhold that info. Check out the link to my local school and how easy it is to find exemption info now--it took a bit of work on my part: (http://www.litchfieldschools.org/) Anyone clicking on "immunization info"on the left is immediately given links to the forms.

I think that's a great idea to give vaccine safety talks.

Winnie Rights of child with severe allergies > forced to get Flu shot> > Vaccinations > > > > > Hi everyone,> > > I'm hoping someone here knows law regarding children with > egg > > > allergy. I have patient who's son has a severe egg allergy, > > > among other severe allergies (for which I suspect his > previous > > > vaccines have played a large role)> > > His preschool said they would not allow him in this year > with > > > out a flu shot, and he was forced to sit in his allergists > > > office for four hrs, and take the shot in four small doses > while > > > they waited for reaction.> > > He obviously did not have an exemption (religious or > medical). I > > > thought I remembered reading that if one has an egg allergy > that > > > they could be medically exempt from egg containing vaccines. > > > This poor little guy has had a few bouts of anaphylactic > shock > > > that the Dr's term idiopathic (read unknown origin... but as > we > > > know it was likely brought on by the vax's)> > > My question is 3 part:> > > 1. What is the law on allergies /and vax containing allergic > > > substance?2. Can a flu vax be compulsory for preschool?> > > 3. Does having previous vax's nullify any chance of > religious > > > exemption?I understand this may vary by state, they are in > CT. > > > > > > Any advice would be appreciated, thanks so much!> > > Elissa (ped chiro and mom to non-vax'd 2yr old)> > > > > > > > >> >> > >

April 3, 2012

I have a few articles with that info, but you can just google vaccine revenue,

and much comes up.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100115005381/en/Research-Markets-Future-\

Global-Vaccines---Market

I'll look for the vaccine bubble article as well.

Elissa

> > >

> > > Hi, Elissa,

> > >

> > > I'm in CT. Answer to Q1) State law doesn't address the reasons for a

medical exemption, just that a doctor needs to sign a statement that

" immunization is medically contraindicated because of the physical condition of

such child. "

> > >

> > > There's no law that requires a doctor to sign a medical exemption, if you

can even get a doctor to admit a vaccine caused a reaction or that having an

existing allergy is a risk. Unfortunately, wanting to avoid a reaction isn't

generally enough. The child has to have had a bad reaction previously AND it

usually is given for a particular vaccine or a specific ingredient that the

doctor believes caused the problem (it's all guesswork anyway). Sometimes a

doctor will give an exemption if a sibling had a reaction (my doc gave all my

kids one for all vaccines based on my older's son's reaction to the MMR,

although I use a religious exemption).

> > >

> > > 2) It look as if the flu vaccine is now required in CT. Several vaccines

are listed in statute section 19a-79:

(http://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/chap368a.htm#Sec19a-79.htm) and then it adds

" and any other vaccine required by the schedule of active immunization adopted

pursuant to section 19a-7f. "

> > >

> > > Section 19a-7f states: " the recommended schedule for active immunization

for normal infants and children published by the committee on infectious

diseases of the American Academy of Pediatrics or the schedule published by the

National Immunization Practices Advisory Committee, as determined by the

Commissioner of Public Health. " I looked up the AAP recommendations and the flu

vaccine is included.

> > >

> > > 3) Previous vaccination does not affect using a religious exemption. I've

used one for years. You just can't get any afterwards. AND you don't need to

mention it. I don't have any listed on my kids' health forms at all and our

current ped doesn't have the old records showing some given.

> > >

> > > Does your patient still wants her child to get some vaccines?

> > >

> > > Winnie

> > >

> > > Rights of child with severe allergies forced to

get Flu shot

> > > Vaccinations

> > >

> > > > Hi everyone,

> > > > I'm hoping someone here knows law regarding children with egg

> > > > allergy. I have patient who's son has a severe egg allergy,

> > > > among other severe allergies (for which I suspect his previous

> > > > vaccines have played a large role)

> > > > His preschool said they would not allow him in this year with

> > > > out a flu shot, and he was forced to sit in his allergists

> > > > office for four hrs, and take the shot in four small doses while

> > > > they waited for reaction.

> > > > He obviously did not have an exemption (religious or medical). I

> > > > thought I remembered reading that if one has an egg allergy that

> > > > they could be medically exempt from egg containing vaccines.

> > > > This poor little guy has had a few bouts of anaphylactic shock

> > > > that the Dr's term idiopathic (read unknown origin... but as we

> > > > know it was likely brought on by the vax's)

> > > > My question is 3 part:

> > > > 1. What is the law on allergies /and vax containing allergic

> > > > substance?2. Can a flu vax be compulsory for preschool?

> > > > 3. Does having previous vax's nullify any chance of religious

> > > > exemption?I understand this may vary by state, they are in CT.

> > > >

> > > > Any advice would be appreciated, thanks so much!

> > > > Elissa (ped chiro and mom to non-vax'd 2yr old)

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 3, 2012

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I believe this vaccine market bubble article has referenced figures as well.

http://therefusers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/aaaaaPW32_belkin-1.pdf