Re: preschools and refuse to vaccinate forms

April 13, 2012

We aren't planning on signing the form as it is. I didn't know if we should tell the director that or if we should just cross things out and send it through with the rest of the paperwork and not mention it.

He will be 4 next fall when we plan to enroll him for 4 mornings a week.

Still waiting to hear back from Missouri's department of health and see if the preschool can require this form.

from Missouri

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Venita Garner <nitagarner@...> wrote:

There is no way in hell I would sign that form b/c at some point it’s going to bite her in the butt. Refer to line.. know that failure to vax may endanger….

She just admitted that vaccines work and that FAILURE TO VAX will **endanger** her child. She’s signing that.

YES, I’m abusing my kids. I’m putting them IN DANGER.

That just RoARS of a CPS investigation and action .. nope. I wouldn’t sign it. I would make up my own or homeschool. No 3 y.o. needs to go to a preschool anyway. Get some playdates, get some curriculum if need be.. time with Mama is what a 3 y.o. needs, not doing worksheets having the fun of learning sucked out of him and missing mom!

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April 13, 2012

I would be nervous signing even if I crossed stuff out b/c it’s still on there, you can’t get rid of it and you’re still signing it. Nita, homeschooling mompreneur to 8 kids and 2 online web stores! for Moms and kids, prenatal to tweens: http://www.kneehigh2agrasshopper.com A tiscuit, a tasket, what a lovely gift basket: http://www.nitasbaskets.com I have to walk early in the morning,before my brain figures out what I'm doing...

April 13, 2012

The'll probably tell you they can require it, whether that's legally true or not. I'd try to find the law online instead and read it yourself and maybe even print it out in case you need to inform the school of the law. A lot of the schools, and even people in the health dept. don't even really know the law themselves. When I've filled out forms for my son, I just crossed things off that I didn't agree with, and even wrote things in and just handed it in and never had a problem.

April 13, 2012

We're okay on the vax end...there is an exemption, only it does have on it " Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these vaccine preventable diseases which can lead to serious complication. " It is the refuse to vaccinate form that is troubling. It isn't put out by Missouri, so I think the preschool came up with adding this on its own. The only thing in the law talks about are vaccines and there is an exemption.

I don't know if preschools can just require what they want, or if the state has a say in things. There is a form from the state for medical examination for preschool-age children and one for blood lead testing which we are not going to do either. The blood lead testing form states I verify that I have been made aware of the serious and long-term health effects of lead poisoning on children under the age of six years. I do object bo my child being blood tested in order to determine if he is lead poisoned. I don't see those things mentioned in the law, but maybe they are somewhere else besides where they talk about vaccines.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:22 PM, <Kelloggs263@...> wrote:

From my experience, the less you talk to the Health Dept the better, because they will definitely try to coerce you to vaccinate by making it sound harder to not vax than it actually is. If you talk to them, don't give them specifics...

April 13, 2012

I have read the law, but can preschools require additonal things? The director knows we don't vaccinate as we had an exemption with the 7 year old. Though she didn't give us an exemption form, just the AAP form on the back of the medical exam form which is put out by Missouri, but I don't see the exam as a requirement either. I figured they wanted that refuse to vaccinate form in addition to the exemption which the law says they have to have on file.

from Missouri

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:56 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

You are correct. This is the form doctors have you sign. They are the ones who would be giving the Vaccine Information Statements, not a preschool. Worse yet, they have all vaccines listed, including the HPV vaccine! No preschooler gets that shot!

This is total nonsense. Here's the law according to NVIC's site:

" A parent or guardian exemption, by which a child shall be exempted from the requirements of this section if one parent or guardian files a written objection to immunization with the day care administrator. Exemptions shall be accepted by the day care administrator when the necessary information as determined by the department of health and senior services is filed with the day care administrator by the parent or guardian. Exemption forms shall be provided by the department of health and senior services. "

This is from the DPH: (http://www.sos.mo.gov/adrules/csr/current/19csr/19c20-28.pdf) which outlines the law in detail and includes all exemption forms. It does NOT include the AAP form the preschool gave her. I would sign the one you have to sign, and inform the director that she is not using the proper, legal form. Friend or no friend.

Winnie

preschoolds and refuse to vaccinate forms

Vaccinations > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to handle a

> preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter called this> morning and I now> have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is > supposed to> sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His older brother

> was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such requirement. > She just> signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has > on it: > " Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these

> vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious > complications. " )> The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but I was > told it> is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school with the

> director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't sign the > form the> way it is or> just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest > of the> paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we did so.

> > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics form. Their> doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all > about not> vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just

> wanted to> know how he got> into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption. > It looks> like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She hasn't> recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my daughter isn't

> doing them, so I> don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as she is

> an allopath.> > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and of course> all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment. > I wanted> to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require.

> > from Missouri> > > >

April 13, 2012

I suppose they could add anything they want if they're a private business. But every school my kids have gone to, private, public, all levels--they all refer to legal requirements as why they require vaccination.

It seems that it's possible she just gave you the health form which happens to have the AAP form on it, that she wasn't giving you the AAP form to sign all by itself. But...maybe not. Here's the health form the doc has to sign, which is amazingly lacking in specifics on the child's health: (http://health.mo.gov/safety/childcare/pdf/BCC-6A.pdf)

Maybe she even gave you a K-12 school form. Regardless, it's not the law to sign that AAP form.

Winnie preschoolds and refuse to vaccinate forms> > Vaccinations > >> > >> > >> > >> > > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to > handle a> > > preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter called this> > > morning and I now> > > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is> > > supposed to> > > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His older > brother> > was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such > requirement.> > She just> > > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has> > > on it:> > > "Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these> > > vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious> > > complications.")> > > The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but I was> > > told it> > > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school > with the> > > director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't sign the> > > form the> > > way it is or> > > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest> > > of the> > > paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we did so.> > >> > > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics > form. Their> > > doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all> > > about not> > > vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just> > > wanted to> > > know how he got> > > into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption.> > > It looks> > > like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She hasn't> > > recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my > daughter isn't> > > doing them, so I> > > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would> > > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as > she is> > > an allopath.> > >> > > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and > of course> > > all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment.> > > I wanted> > > to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require.> > >> > > from Missouri> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >>

April 13, 2012

That would constitute discrimination no?Most child care programs have to register with the state and abide by state regs. From: "wharrison@..." <wharrison@...> Vaccinations Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: Re:

preschools and refuse to vaccinate forms

I suppose they could add anything they want if they're a private business. But every school my kids have gone to, private, public, all levels--they all refer to legal requirements as why they require vaccination.

It seems that it's possible she just gave you the health form which happens to have the AAP form on it, that she wasn't giving you the AAP form to sign all by itself. But...maybe not. Here's the health form the doc has to sign, which is amazingly lacking in specifics on the child's health: (http://health.mo.gov/safety/childcare/pdf/BCC-6A.pdf)

Maybe she even gave you a K-12 school form. Regardless, it's not the law to sign that AAP form.

Winnie preschoolds and refuse to vaccinate forms> > Vaccinations > >> > >> > >> > >> > > I was wondering if anyone had

any suggestions on how to > handle a> > > preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter called this> > > morning and I now> > > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is> > > supposed to> > > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His older > brother> > was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such > requirement.> > She just> > > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has> > > on it:> > > "Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these> > > vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious> > > complications.")> > > The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but I was> > > told it> > > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school > with the>

> > director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't sign the> > > form the> > > way it is or> > > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest> > > of the> > > paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we did so.> > >> > > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics > form. Their> > > doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all> > > about not> > > vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just> > > wanted to> > > know how he got> > > into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption.> > > It looks> > > like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She hasn't> > > recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my > daughter

isn't> > > doing them, so I> > > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would> > > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as > she is> > > an allopath.> > >> > > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and > of course> > > all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment.> > > I wanted> > > to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require.> > >> > > from Missouri> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >>

April 13, 2012

Good point.

Winnie preschoolds and refuse to vaccinate forms> > > Vaccinations > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to > > handle a> > > > preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter > called this> > > > morning and I now> > > > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is> > > > supposed to> > > > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His > older > > brother> > was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such > > requirement.> > She just> > > > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has> > > > on it:> > > > "Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these> > > > vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious> > > > complications.")> > > > The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but > I was> > > > told it> > > > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school > > with the> > > > director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't > sign the> > > > form the> > > > way it is or> > > > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest> > > > of the> > > > paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we > did so.> > > >> > > > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics > > form. Their> > > > doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all> > > > about not> > > > vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just> > > > wanted to> > > > know how he got> > > > into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption.> > > > It looks> > > > like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She hasn't> > > > recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my > > daughter isn't> > > > doing them, so I> > > > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would> > > > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as > > she is> > > > an allopath.> > > >> > > > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning > and > > of course> > > > all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment.> > > > I wanted> > > > to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require.> > > >> > > > from Missouri> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >

April 13, 2012

See gave us an older medical exam form....dated 10/01 which also has the immunizations record on it and places for dose l, 2 ,3, 4, 5 and 6 and dates and 6 vaccines listed. On the back is the AAP refusal form. The one shown now is dated 9/07.

I wonder if we should print off the new medical exam form without the refusal on the back and hand the new form in with the exemption.

from Missouri

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:17 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

I suppose they could add anything they want if they're a private business. But every school my kids have gone to, private, public, all levels--they all refer to legal requirements as why they require vaccination.

It seems that it's possible she just gave you the health form which happens to have the AAP form on it, that she wasn't giving you the AAP form to sign all by itself. But...maybe not. Here's the health form the doc has to sign, which is amazingly lacking in specifics on the child's health: (http://health.mo.gov/safety/childcare/pdf/BCC-6A.pdf)

Maybe she even gave you a K-12 school form. Regardless, it's not the law to sign that AAP form.

Winnie preschoolds and refuse to vaccinate forms> > Vaccinations

> >> > >> > >> > >> > > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to > handle a> > > preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter called this

> > > morning and I now> > > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is> > > supposed to> > > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His older

> brother> > was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such > requirement.> > She just> > > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has> > > on it:

> > > " Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these> > > vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious> > > complications. " )> > > The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but I was

> > > told it> > > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school > with the> > > director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't sign the> > > form the

> > > way it is or> > > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest> > > of the> > > paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we did so.> > >

> > > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics > form. Their> > > doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all> > > about not> > > vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just

> > > wanted to> > > know how he got> > > into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption.> > > It looks> > > like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She hasn't

> > > recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my > daughter isn't> > > doing them, so I> > > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would> > > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as

> she is> > > an allopath.> > >> > > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and > of course> > > all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment.

> > > I wanted> > > to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require.> > >> > > from Missouri> > >> > >> > >> > >

> >> >> > > >>

April 14, 2012

I'm curious. What is the medical exam form like? Where did you find the newer one? Is it the one in the link I just gave or is it a more detailed one?

Winnie

preschoolds and refuse to > vaccinate forms> > > > Vaccinations > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to> > > handle a> > > > > preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter > called this> > > > > morning and I now> > > > > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is> > > > > supposed to> > > > > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His older> > > brother> > was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such> > > requirement.> > She just> > > > > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see > it has> > > > > on it:> > > > > "Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these> > > > > vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious> > > > > complications.")> > > > > The preschool is affiliated with the school district, > but I was> > > > > told it> > > > > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school> > > with the> > > > > director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't > sign the> > > > > form the> > > > > way it is or> > > > > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with > the rest> > > > > of the> > > > > paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we > did so.> > > > >> > > > > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics> > > form. Their> > > > > doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all> > > > > about not> > > > > vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just> > > > > wanted to> > > > > know how he got> > > > > into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption.> > > > > It looks> > > > > like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She > hasn't> > > > recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my> > > daughter isn't> > > > > doing them, so I> > > > > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would> > > > > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as> > > she is> > > > > an allopath.> > > > >> > > > > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and> > > of course> > > > > all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment.> > > > > I wanted> > > > > to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require.> > > > >> > > > > from Missouri> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > >>

April 14, 2012

they can't require anything other than what the law says

Sheri

At 10:57 PM 4/13/2012, you wrote:

We're okay on the vax end...there is an exemption, only it does have on

it " Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these

vaccine preventable diseases which can lead to serious

complication. " It is the refuse to vaccinate form that is

troubling. It isn't put out by Missouri, so I think the preschool

came up with adding this on its own. The only thing in the law

talks about are vaccines and there is an exemption.

I don't know if preschools can just require what they want, or if the

state has a say in things. There is a form from the state for

medical examination for preschool-age children and one for blood lead

testing which we are not going to do either. The blood lead testing

form states I verify that I have been made aware of the serious and

long-term health effects of lead poisoning on children under the age of

six years. I do object bo my child being blood tested in order to

determine if he is lead poisoned. I don't see those things

mentioned in the law, but maybe they are somewhere else besides where

they talk about vaccines.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:22 PM,

<Kelloggs263@...>

wrote:

From my experience, the less you talk to the Health Dept the better,

because they will definitely try to coerce you to vaccinate by making it

sound harder to not vax than it actually is. If you talk to them,

don't give them specifics...

April 14, 2012

Since it sounds (to me) like you only need to file a written objection, you

probably can just do your own. I just wrote up one short sentence that all my

kids have on file (2 in preschool, one in elementary). It's just a notarized " I

object to all vaccines current and future " sort of statement.

> >

> > >

> > > You are correct. This is the form doctors have you sign. They

> > are the

> > > ones who would be giving the Vaccine Information Statements,

> > not a

> > > preschool. Worse yet, they have all vaccines listed, including

> > the HPV

> > > vaccine! No preschooler gets that shot!

> > >

> > > This is total nonsense. Here's the law according to NVIC's site:

> > >

> > > " A parent or guardian exemption, by which a child shall be

> > exempted> from the requirements of this section if one parent or

> > guardian files a

> > > written objection to immunization with the day care administrator.

> > > Exemptions shall be accepted by the day care administrator

> > when the

> > > necessary information as determined by the department of

> > health and senior

> > > services is filed with the day care administrator by the

> > parent or

> > > guardian. Exemption forms shall be provided by the department

> > of health and

> > > senior services. "

> > >

> > > This is from the DPH: (

> > > http://www.sos.mo.gov/adrules/csr/current/19csr/19c20-28.pdf) which

> > > outlines the law in detail and includes all exemption forms.

> > It does NOT

> > > include the AAP form the preschool gave her. I would sign the

> > one you have

> > > to sign, and inform the director that she is not using the

> > proper, legal

> > > form. Friend or no friend.

> > >

> > > Winnie

> > >

> > > preschoolds and refuse to vaccinate forms

> > > Vaccinations

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to

> > handle a

> > > > preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter called this

> > > > morning and I now

> > > > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is

> > > > supposed to

> > > > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His older

> > brother> > was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such

> > requirement.> > She just

> > > > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has

> > > > on it:

> > > > " Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these

> > > > vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious

> > > > complications. " )

> > > > The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but I was

> > > > told it

> > > > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school

> > with the

> > > > director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't sign the

> > > > form the

> > > > way it is or

> > > > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest

> > > > of the

> > > > paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we did so.

> > > >

> > > > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics

> > form. Their

> > > > doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all

> > > > about not

> > > > vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just

> > > > wanted to

> > > > know how he got

> > > > into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption.

> > > > It looks

> > > > like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She hasn't

> > > > recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my

> > daughter isn't

> > > > doing them, so I

> > > > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would

> > > > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as

> > she is

> > > > an allopath.

> > > >

> > > > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and

> > of course

> > > > all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment.

> > > > I wanted

> > > > to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require.

> > > >

> > > > from Missouri

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 14, 2012

Every state is different - she has to use the wording of Missouri law

Your state must have a philosophical exemption - Missouri doesn't.

http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements/missouri.aspx

" Immunization of my child violates his/her religious beliefs. " is

all that she says

Sheri

At 06:22 PM 4/14/2012, you wrote:

>Since it sounds (to me) like you only need to file a written

>objection, you probably can just do your own. I just wrote up one

>short sentence that all my kids have on file (2 in preschool, one in

>elementary). It's just a notarized " I object to all vaccines current

>and future " sort of statement.

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > You are correct. This is the form doctors have you sign. They

> > > are the

> > > > ones who would be giving the Vaccine Information Statements,

> > > not a

> > > > preschool. Worse yet, they have all vaccines listed, including

> > > the HPV

> > > > vaccine! No preschooler gets that shot!

> > > >

> > > > This is total nonsense. Here's the law according to NVIC's site:

> > > >

> > > > " A parent or guardian exemption, by which a child shall be

> > > exempted> from the requirements of this section if one parent or

> > > guardian files a

> > > > written objection to immunization with the day care administrator.

> > > > Exemptions shall be accepted by the day care administrator

> > > when the

> > > > necessary information as determined by the department of

> > > health and senior

> > > > services is filed with the day care administrator by the

> > > parent or

> > > > guardian. Exemption forms shall be provided by the department

> > > of health and

> > > > senior services. "

> > > >

> > > > This is from the DPH: (

> > > > http://www.sos.mo.gov/adrules/csr/current/19csr/19c20-28.pdf) which

> > > > outlines the law in detail and includes all exemption forms.

> > > It does NOT

> > > > include the AAP form the preschool gave her. I would sign the

> > > one you have

> > > > to sign, and inform the director that she is not using the

> > > proper, legal

> > > > form. Friend or no friend.

> > > >

> > > > Winnie

> > > >

> > > > preschoolds and refuse to vaccinate forms

> > > > Vaccinations

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to

> > > handle a

> > > > > preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter called this

> > > > > morning and I now

> > > > > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is

> > > > > supposed to

> > > > > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His older

> > > brother> > was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such

> > > requirement.> > She just

> > > > > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has

> > > > > on it:

> > > > > " Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these

> > > > > vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious

> > > > > complications. " )

> > > > > The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but I was

> > > > > told it

> > > > > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school

> > > with the

> > > > > director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't sign the

> > > > > form the

> > > > > way it is or

> > > > > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest

> > > > > of the

> > > > > paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we did so.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics

> > > form. Their

> > > > > doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all

> > > > > about not

> > > > > vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just

> > > > > wanted to

> > > > > know how he got

> > > > > into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption.

> > > > > It looks

> > > > > like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She hasn't

> > > > > recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my

> > > daughter isn't

> > > > > doing them, so I

> > > > > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would

> > > > > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as

> > > she is

> > > > > an allopath.

> > > > >

> > > > > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and

> > > of course

> > > > > all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment.

> > > > > I wanted

> > > > > to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require.

> > > > >

> > > > > from Missouri

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>------------------------------------

>

April 14, 2012

The newer one was in the link you sent and I went to the Missouri webpage and tried to find the older one and I could just find the one you sent which I agree doesn't have much information on it.

The old one has the same bare information, but it has the immunization history with a chart on it to show when the various doses of 6 different vaccines were given. It takes up about a fourth of the page.

from Missouri

On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 7:39 AM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

I'm curious. What is the medical exam form like? Where did you find the newer one? Is it the one in the link I just gave or is it a more detailed one?

Winnie

preschoolds and refuse to

> vaccinate forms Vaccinations

I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to> > > handle a preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter called this morning and I now> > > > > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is supposed to

> > > > > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His older brother was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such requirement. She just> > > > > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has on it:

> > > > > " Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious complications. " )> > > > > The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but I was told it

> > > > > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school with the director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't sign the form the> > > > > way it is or> > > > > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest of the paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we did so.

I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics> > > form. Their doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all> > > > > about not vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just wanted to

> > > > > know how he got> > > > > into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption. It looks like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She hasn't recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my daughter isn't

> > > > > doing them, so I> > > > > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as she is an allopath.

I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and> > > of course all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment. I wanted to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require

from Missouri

April 15, 2012

In further looking at their rules at the main link, I see there is a religious exemption form P11A on pg. 3 for schools (not daycare), but a generic exemption form P11 on pg. 10 for daycare. It doesn't say a word about religion. Interesting. Make sure to use P11, not P11A.

I'd print out the correct health form, get it signed and bring that in, too, to show them you know what the law is.

Winnie

preschoolds and refuse to> > > vaccinate forms> > Vaccinations > >> I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to> > > > > handle a preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter> > called this morning and I now> > > > > > > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she> > is supposed to> > > > > > > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His> > older brother was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such > requirement.> She just> > > > > > > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I > see it> > has on it:> > > > > > > "Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting> > these vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to> > serious complications.")> > > > > > > The preschool is affiliated with the school > district, but I> > was told it> > > > > > > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to > school with> > the director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't > sign the form the> > > > > > > way it is or> > > > > > > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in > with the> > rest of the paperwork without calling attention to the fact > that we did so.> >> I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics> > > > > form. Their doctor is in family practice and doesn't > bother them at> > all> > > > > > > about not vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old > was there> > she just wanted to> > > > > > > know how he got> > > > > > > into school and my daughter said with the religious> > exemption. It looks like this form needs to be filled out by > the doctor.> > She hasn't recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows > my daughter> > isn't> > > > > > > doing them, so I> > > > > > > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she> > would probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her > as she is an> > allopath.> >> I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and> > > > > of course all the specialists are in a state wide > meeting at the> > moment. I wanted to see what they had to say on what the > preschool can> > require> >> > > > from Missouri> > > >>

April 17, 2012

I just talked to the Missouri Department of Health. They said they just require the exemption form, but the preschool might have the refuse to vaccinate form as a part of their policy. They said we could talk to the preschool about the form. They said it was probably for liability so we wouldn't hold the preschool responsible. So they said the preschool can require what they want. They also said we could go to another preschool. This preschool follows the public school schedule where both my daughter and her husband teach. So they don't have to pay for snow days, school holidays and summer when they don't want him to attend. Their meals aren't the best, but they are better than the public schools and better than the other preschools looked at. And they do have a good program and they are right next door to my son in laws school. We would really like to make this preschool work. I wonder what happened in the last 2 years for this form to show up.

from Missouri

Subject: Re: preschools and refuse to vaccinate forms------------------------From: Webmail garensmith <garensmith@...>

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:08 PMVaccinations

We aren't planning on signing the form as it is. I didn't know if we should tell the director that or if we should just cross things out and send it through with the rest of the paperwork and not mention it.

He will be 4 next fall when we plan to enroll him for 4 mornings a week.

Still waiting to hear back from Missouri's department of health and see if the preschool can require this form.

from Missouri

----------From: Venita Garner <nitagarner@...>Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Vaccinations

I would be nervous signing even if I crossed stuff out b/c it’s still on there, you can’t get rid of it and you’re still signing it.

Nita, homeschooling mompreneur to 8 kids and 2 online web stores!

for Moms and kids, prenatal to tweens: http://www.kneehigh2agrasshopper.com

A tiscuit, a tasket, what a lovely gift basket: http://www.nitasbaskets.com

I have to walk early in the morning,before my brain figures out what I'm doing...

----------From: Webmail garensmith <garensmith@...>

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:07 PMVaccinations

I have read the law, but can preschools require additonal things? The director knows we don't vaccinate as we had an exemption with the 7 year old. Though she didn't give us an exemption form, just the AAP form on the back of the medical exam form which is put out by Missouri, but I don't see the exam as a requirement either. I figured they wanted that refuse to vaccinate form in addition to the exemption which the law says they have to have on file.

from Missouri

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:56 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

You are correct. This is the form doctors have you sign. They are the ones who would be giving the Vaccine Information Statements, not a preschool. Worse yet, they have all vaccines listed, including the HPV vaccine! No preschooler gets that shot!

This is total nonsense. Here's the law according to NVIC's site:

" A parent or guardian exemption, by which a child shall be exempted from the requirements of this section if one parent or guardian files a written objection to immunization with the day care administrator. Exemptions shall be accepted by the day care administrator when the necessary information as determined by the department of health and senior services is filed with the day care administrator by the parent or guardian. Exemption forms shall be provided by the department of health and senior services. "

This is from the DPH: (http://www.sos.mo.gov/adrules/csr/current/19csr/19c20-28.pdf) which outlines the law in detail and includes all exemption forms. It does NOT include the AAP form the preschool gave her. I would sign the one you have to sign, and inform the director that she is not using the proper, legal form. Friend or no friend.

Winnie

preschoolds and refuse to vaccinate forms

Vaccinations > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to handle a> preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter called this

> morning and I now> have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is > supposed to> sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His older brother> was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such requirement.

> She just> signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has

> on it: > " Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these> vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious > complications. " )> The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but I was

> told it> is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school with the> director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't sign the > form the> way it is or> just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest

> of the> paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we did so.> > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics form. Their> doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all

> about not> vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just > wanted to> know how he got> into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption. > It looks> like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She hasn't

> recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my daughter isn't> doing them, so I> don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as she is

> an allopath.> > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and of course> all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment. > I wanted> to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require.

> > from Missouri> > > >

----------From: <wharrison@...>

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:17 PMVaccinations

I suppose they could add anything they want if they're a private business. But every school my kids have gone to, private, public, all levels--they all refer to legal requirements as why they require vaccination.

It seems that it's possible she just gave you the health form which happens to have the AAP form on it, that she wasn't giving you the AAP form to sign all by itself. But...maybe not. Here's the health form the doc has to sign, which is amazingly lacking in specifics on the child's health: (http://health.mo.gov/safety/childcare/pdf/BCC-6A.pdf)

Maybe she even gave you a K-12 school form. Regardless, it's not the law to sign that AAP form.

Winnie

----------From: Boisvert Mackenzie <lisaboisvert@...>Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM

" Vaccinations " <Vaccinations >

That would constitute discrimination no?

Most child care programs have to register with the state and abide by state regs.

From: " wharrison@... " <wharrison@...>

Vaccinations Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:17 PM

----------From: <wharrison@...>

Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:53 AMVaccinations

In further looking at their rules at the main link, I see there is a religious exemption form P11A on pg. 3 for schools (not daycare), but a generic exemption form P11 on pg. 10 for daycare. It doesn't say a word about religion. Interesting. Make sure to use P11, not P11A.

I'd print out the correct health form, get it signed and bring that in, too, to show them you know what the law is.

Winnie

April 17, 2012

If the preschool receives any public money at all, they have to do things

just the way the state law states. (even milk money)

Sheri

At 05:37 PM 4/17/2012, you wrote:

I just talked to the Missouri Department of Health. They said they

just require the exemption form, but the preschool might have the refuse

to vaccinate form as a part of their policy. They said we could

talk to the preschool about the form. They said it was probably for

liability so we wouldn't hold the preschool responsible. So they

said the preschool can require what they want. They also said we

could go to another preschool. This preschool follows the public

school schedule where both my daughter and her husband teach. So

they don't have to pay for snow days, school holidays and summer when

they don't want him to attend. Their meals aren't the best, but

they are better than the public schools and better than the other

preschools looked at. And they do have a good program and

they are right next door to my son in laws school. We would really

like to make this preschool work. I wonder what happened in the

last 2 years for this form to show up.

from Missouri

Subject: Re: preschools and refuse to vaccinate

forms

------------------------

From: Webmail garensmith

<garensmith@...

>

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:08 PM

To:

Vaccinations

We aren't planning on signing the form as it is. I didn't know

if we should tell the director that or if we should just cross things out

and send it through with the rest of the paperwork and not mention

it.

He will be 4 next fall when we plan to enroll him for 4 mornings a

week.

Still waiting to hear back from Missouri's department of health and

see if the preschool can require this form.

from Missouri

----------

From: Venita Garner

<nitagarner@...

>

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:30 PM

To:

Vaccinations

I would be nervous signing even if I crossed stuff out b/c it’s still

on there, you can’t get rid of it and you’re still signing it.

Nita, homeschooling mompreneur to 8 kids and 2 online web stores!

for Moms and kids, prenatal to tweens:

http://www.kneehigh2agrasshopper.com

A tiscuit, a tasket, what a lovely gift basket:

http://www.nitasbaskets.com

I have to walk early in the morning,

before my brain figures out what I'm doing...

----------

From: Webmail garensmith

<garensmith@...

>

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:07 PM

To:

Vaccinations

I have read the law, but can preschools require additonal things?

The director knows we don't vaccinate as we had an exemption with the 7

year old. Though she didn't give us an exemption form, just the AAP

form on the back of the medical exam form which is put out by Missouri,

but I don't see the exam as a requirement either. I figured

they wanted that refuse to vaccinate form in addition to the exemption

which the law says they have to have on file.

from Missouri

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:56 PM,

<wharrison@...

> wrote:

You are correct. This is the form doctors have you sign. They are the

ones who would be giving the Vaccine Information Statements, not a

preschool. Worse yet, they have all vaccines listed, including the HPV

vaccine! No preschooler gets that shot!

This is total nonsense. Here's the law according to NVIC's site:

" A parent or guardian exemption, by which a child shall be

exempted from the requirements of this section if one parent or guardian

files a written objection to immunization with the day care

administrator. Exemptions shall be accepted by the day care administrator

when the necessary information as determined by the department of health

and senior services is filed with the day care administrator by the

parent or guardian. Exemption forms shall be provided by the department

of health and senior services. "

This is from the DPH:

(

http://www.sos.mo.gov/adrules/csr/current/19csr/19c20-28.pdf) which

outlines the law in detail and includes all exemption forms. It does NOT

include the AAP form the preschool gave her. I would sign the one you

have to sign, and inform the director that she is not using the proper,

legal form. Friend or no friend.

Winnie

preschoolds and refuse to vaccinate

forms

To:

Vaccinations

>

> I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to handle

a

> preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter called

this

> morning and I now

> have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is

> supposed to

> sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His older

brother

> was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such requirement.

> She just

> signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has

> on it:

> " Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting

these

> vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious

> complications. " )

> The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but I was

> told it

> is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school with

the

> director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't sign the

> form the

> way it is or

> just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest

> of the

> paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we did

so.

>

> I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics form.

Their

> doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all

> about not

> vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just

> wanted to

> know how he got

> into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption.

> It looks

> like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She

hasn't

> recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my daughter

isn't

> doing them, so I

> don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would

> probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as she is

> an allopath.

>

> I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and of

course

> all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment.

> I wanted

> to see what they had to say on what the preschool can

require.

>

> from Missouri

>

----------

From:

<wharrison@...

>

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:17 PM

To:

Vaccinations

I suppose they could add anything they want if they're a private

business. But every school my kids have gone to, private, public, all

levels--they all refer to legal requirements as why they require

vaccination.

It seems that it's possible she just gave you the health form which

happens to have the AAP form on it, that she wasn't giving you the AAP

form to sign all by itself. But...maybe not. Here's the health form the

doc has to sign, which is amazingly lacking in specifics on the child's

health:

(

http://health.mo.gov/safety/childcare/pdf/BCC-6A.pdf)

Maybe she even gave you a K-12 school form. Regardless, it's not the law

to sign that AAP form.

Winnie

----------

From: Boisvert Mackenzie

<lisaboisvert@...

>

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM

To:

"

Vaccinations "

<

Vaccinations >

That would constitute discrimination no?

Most child care programs have to register with the state and abide by

state regs.

From:

" wharrison@...

"

<wharrison@...

>

To:

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:17 PM

----------

From:

<wharrison@...

>

Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:53 AM

To:

Vaccinations

In further looking at their rules at the main link, I see there is

a religious exemption form P11A on pg. 3 for schools (not daycare), but a

generic exemption form P11 on pg. 10 for daycare. It doesn't say a word

about religion. Interesting. Make sure to use P11, not P11A.

I'd print out the correct health form, get it signed and bring that in,

too, to show them you know what the law is.

Winnie

April 17, 2012

The state says the exemption satifies their requirements, but the school can have addition requirements beyond their requirements and if we don't like their policies, we can go to another preschool.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...> wrote:

If the preschool receives any public money at all, they have to do things just the way the state law states. (even milk money)Sheri At 05:37 PM 4/17/2012, you wrote:

I just talked to the Missouri Department of Health. They said they just require the exemption form, but the preschool might have the refuse to vaccinate form as a part of their policy. They said we could talk to the preschool about the form. They said it was probably for liability so we wouldn't hold the preschool responsible. So they said the preschool can require what they want. They also said we could go to another preschool. This preschool follows the public school schedule where both my daughter and her husband teach. So they don't have to pay for snow days, school holidays and summer when they don't want him to attend. Their meals aren't the best, but they are better than the public schools and better than the other preschools looked at. And they do have a good program and they are right next door to my son in laws school. We would really like to make this preschool work. I wonder what happened in the last 2 years for this form to show up.

from Missouri

Subject: Re: preschools and refuse to vaccinate forms

------------------------

From: Webmail garensmith <garensmith@... >

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Vaccinations

We aren't planning on signing the form as it is. I didn't know if we should tell the director that or if we should just cross things out and send it through with the rest of the paperwork and not mention it.

He will be 4 next fall when we plan to enroll him for 4 mornings a week.

Still waiting to hear back from Missouri's department of health and see if the preschool can require this form.

from Missouri

----------

From: Venita Garner <nitagarner@... >

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Vaccinations

I would be nervous signing even if I crossed stuff out b/c it’s still on there, you can’t get rid of it and you’re still signing it.

Nita, homeschooling mompreneur to 8 kids and 2 online web stores!

for Moms and kids, prenatal to tweens: http://www.kneehigh2agrasshopper.com

A tiscuit, a tasket, what a lovely gift basket: http://www.nitasbaskets.com

I have to walk early in the morning,

before my brain figures out what I'm doing...

----------From: Webmail garensmith <garensmith@... >Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:07 PMVaccinations

I have read the law, but can preschools require additonal things? The director knows we don't vaccinate as we had an exemption with the 7 year old. Though she didn't give us an exemption form, just the AAP form on the back of the medical exam form which is put out by Missouri, but I don't see the exam as a requirement either. I figured they wanted that refuse to vaccinate form in addition to the exemption which the law says they have to have on file.

from MissouriOn Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:56 PM, <wharrison@... > wrote:

You are correct. This is the form doctors have you sign. They are the ones who would be giving the Vaccine Information Statements, not a preschool. Worse yet, they have all vaccines listed, including the HPV vaccine! No preschooler gets that shot!

This is total nonsense. Here's the law according to NVIC's site:

" A parent or guardian exemption, by which a child shall be exempted from the requirements of this section if one parent or guardian files a written objection to immunization with the day care administrator. Exemptions shall be accepted by the day care administrator when the necessary information as determined by the department of health and senior services is filed with the day care administrator by the parent or guardian. Exemption forms shall be provided by the department of health and senior services. "

This is from the DPH: ( http://www.sos.mo.gov/adrules/csr/current/19csr/19c20-28.pdf) which outlines the law in detail and includes all exemption forms. It does NOT include the AAP form the preschool gave her. I would sign the one you have to sign, and inform the director that she is not using the proper, legal form. Friend or no friend.

Winnie

preschoolds and refuse to vaccinate forms

Vaccinations

>

> I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to handle a

> preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter called this

> morning and I now

> have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is

> supposed to

> sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His older brother

> was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such requirement.

> She just

> signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has

> on it:

> " Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these

> vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious

> complications. " )

> The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but I was

> told it

> is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school with the

> director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't sign the

> form the

> way it is or

> just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest

> of the

> paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we did so.

>

> I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics form. Their

> doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all

> about not

> vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just

> wanted to

> know how he got

> into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption.

> It looks

> like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She hasn't

> recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my daughter isn't

> doing them, so I

> don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would

> probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as she is

> an allopath.

>

> I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and of course

> all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment.

> I wanted

> to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require.

>

> from Missouri

>

----------From: <wharrison@... >Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:17 PMVaccinations

I suppose they could add anything they want if they're a private business. But every school my kids have gone to, private, public, all levels--they all refer to legal requirements as why they require vaccination.

It seems that it's possible she just gave you the health form which happens to have the AAP form on it, that she wasn't giving you the AAP form to sign all by itself. But...maybe not. Here's the health form the doc has to sign, which is amazingly lacking in specifics on the child's health: ( http://health.mo.gov/safety/childcare/pdf/BCC-6A.pdf) Maybe she even gave you a K-12 school form. Regardless, it's not the law to sign that AAP form. Winnie----------From: Boisvert Mackenzie <lisaboisvert@... >

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM " Vaccinations " < Vaccinations >

That would constitute discrimination no?Most child care programs have to register with the state and abide by state regs.

From: " wharrison@... " <wharrison@... >Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:17 PM

----------From: <wharrison@... >Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:53 AMVaccinations

In further looking at their rules at the main link, I see there is a religious exemption form P11A on pg. 3 for schools (not daycare), but a generic exemption form P11 on pg. 10 for daycare. It doesn't say a word about religion. Interesting. Make sure to use P11, not P11A.

I'd print out the correct health form, get it signed and bring that in, too, to show them you know what the law is. Winnie

April 17, 2012

Yes, I guess they can...............but it seems like they are going

against state law

Sheri

At 05:52 PM 4/17/2012, you wrote:

The state says the exemption

satifies their requirements, but the school can have addition

requirements beyond their requirements and if we don't like their

policies, we can go to another preschool.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Sheri Nakken

<vaccinedangers@...

> wrote:

If the preschool receives any public money at all, they have to do

things just the way the state law states. (even milk money)

Sheri

At 05:37 PM 4/17/2012, you wrote:

I just talked to the Missouri Department of Health. They said

they just require the exemption form, but the preschool might have the

refuse to vaccinate form as a part of their policy. They said we

could talk to the preschool about the form. They said it was

probably for liability so we wouldn't hold the preschool

responsible. So they said the preschool can require what they

want. They also said we could go to another preschool. This

preschool follows the public school schedule where both my daughter and

her husband teach. So they don't have to pay for snow days, school

holidays and summer when they don't want him to attend. Their meals

aren't the best, but they are better than the public schools and better

than the other preschools looked at. And they do have a good

program and they are right next door to my son in laws school. We

would really like to make this preschool work. I wonder what

happened in the last 2 years for this form to show up.

from Missouri

Subject: Re: preschools and refuse to vaccinate forms

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From: Webmail garensmith

<garensmith@...

>

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:08 PM

To:

Vaccinations

We aren't planning on signing the form as it is. I didn't know

if we should tell the director that or if we should just cross things out

and send it through with the rest of the paperwork and not mention

it.

He will be 4 next fall when we plan to enroll him for 4 mornings a

week.

Still waiting to hear back from Missouri's department of health and

see if the preschool can require this form.

from Missouri

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From: Venita Garner

<nitagarner@...

>

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:30 PM

To:

Vaccinations

I would be nervous signing even if I crossed stuff out b/c it’s still

on there, you can’t get rid of it and you’re still signing it.

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From: Webmail garensmith

<garensmith@...

>

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:07 PM

To:

Vaccinations

I have read the law, but can preschools require additonal

things? The director knows we don't vaccinate as we had an

exemption with the 7 year old. Though she didn't give us an

exemption form, just the AAP form on the back of the medical exam form

which is put out by Missouri, but I don't see the exam as a requirement

either. I figured they wanted that refuse to vaccinate form

in addition to the exemption which the law says they have to have on

file.

from Missouri

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:56 PM,

<wharrison@...

> wrote:

You are correct. This is the form doctors have you sign. They are the

ones who would be giving the Vaccine Information Statements, not a

preschool. Worse yet, they have all vaccines listed, including the HPV

vaccine! No preschooler gets that shot!

This is total nonsense. Here's the law according to NVIC's site:

" A parent or guardian exemption, by which a child shall be

exempted from the requirements of this section if one parent or guardian

files a written objection to immunization with the day care

administrator. Exemptions shall be accepted by the day care administrator

when the necessary information as determined by the department of health

and senior services is filed with the day care administrator by the

parent or guardian. Exemption forms shall be provided by the department

of health and senior services. "

This is from the DPH:

(

http://www.sos.mo.gov/adrules/csr/current/19csr/19c20-28.pdf)

which outlines the law in detail and includes all exemption forms. It

does NOT include the AAP form the preschool gave her. I would sign the

one you have to sign, and inform the director that she is not using the

proper, legal form. Friend or no friend.

Winnie

preschoolds and refuse to vaccinate forms

To:

Vaccinations

> > > > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to handle

a

> preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter called

this

> morning and I now

> have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is > supposed to

> sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His older

brother

> was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such requirement. > She just

> signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has > on it: > " Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these

> vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious > complications. " )

> The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but I was > told it

> is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school with

the

> director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't sign the > form the

> way it is or

> just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest > of the

> paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we did so.

> > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics form.

Their

> doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all > about not

> vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just > wanted to

> know how he got

> into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption. > It looks

> like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She hasn't

> recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my daughter

isn't

> doing them, so I

> don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as she is > an allopath.

> > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and of

course

> all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment. > I wanted

> to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require.

> > from Missouri

> > > >

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From:

<wharrison@...

>

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:17 PM

To:

Vaccinations

I suppose they could add anything they want if they're a private

business. But every school my kids have gone to, private, public, all

levels--they all refer to legal requirements as why they require

vaccination.

It seems that it's possible she just gave you the health form which

happens to have the AAP form on it, that she wasn't giving you the AAP

form to sign all by itself. But...maybe not. Here's the health form the

doc has to sign, which is amazingly lacking in specifics on the child's

health:

(

http://health.mo.gov/safety/childcare/pdf/BCC-6A.pdf)

Maybe she even gave you a K-12 school form. Regardless, it's not the

law to sign that AAP form.

Winnie

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From: Boisvert Mackenzie

<lisaboisvert@...

>

Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM

"

Vaccinations "

<

Vaccinations >

That would constitute discrimination no?

Most child care programs have to register with the state and abide by

state regs.

From:

" wharrison@...

"

<wharrison@...

>

To:

Vaccinations

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:17 PM

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From:

<wharrison@...

>

Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:53 AM

To:

Vaccinations

In further looking at their rules at the main link, I see there is a

religious exemption form P11A on pg. 3 for schools (not daycare), but a

generic exemption form P11 on pg. 10 for daycare. It doesn't say a word

about religion. Interesting. Make sure to use P11, not P11A.

I'd print out the correct health form, get it signed and bring that

in, too, to show them you know what the law is.

Winnie

April 17, 2012

I would ask the director about it, and say you can't sign your name to something you don't believe. Ask what the form is for since a religious exemption covers her legally. Point out it's a form for patients, not for parents or schools, and it means NOTHING legally for the school.

And remember, the school needs your business. They should want to accommodate you.

Winnie preschoolds and refuse to vaccinate forms> >> Vaccinations > >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to > handle a> >> > preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter > called this> >> > morning and I now> >> > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is> >> > supposed to> >> > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His > older brother> >> > was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such requirement.> >> > She just> >> > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has> >> > on it:> >> > "Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these> >> > vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious> >> > complications.")> >> > The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but I was> >> > told it> >> > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school > with the> >> > director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't sign the> >> > form the> >> > way it is or> >> > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest> >> > of the> >> > paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we did so.> >> >> >> > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics > form. Their> >> > doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all> >> > about not> >> > vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just> >> > wanted to> >> > know how he got> >> > into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption.> >> > It looks> >> > like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She hasn't> >> > recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my > daughter isn't> >> > doing them, so I> >> > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would> >> > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as > she is> >> > an allopath.> >> >> >> > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and > of course> >> > all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment.> >> > I wanted> >> > to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require.> >> >> >> > from Missouri> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> > >>> >> >> > ----------> > From: **> > Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:17 PM> > Vaccinations > >> >> >> >> > I suppose they could add anything they want if they're a > private business.> > But every school my kids have gone to, private, public, all > levels--they> > all refer to legal requirements as why they require vaccination.> >> > It seems that it's possible she just gave you the health form which> > happens to have the AAP form on it, that she wasn't giving you > the AAP form> > to sign all by itself. But...maybe not. Here's the health form > the doc has> > to sign, which is amazingly lacking in specifics on the > child's health: (> > http://health.mo.gov/safety/childcare/pdf/BCC-6A.pdf)> >> > Maybe she even gave you a K-12 school form. Regardless, it's > not the law> > to sign that AAP form.> >> > Winnie> >> >> > ----------> > From: * Boisvert Mackenzie* > > Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM> > "Vaccinations " > >> >> >> >> > That would constitute discrimination no?> >> > Most child care programs have to register with the state and > abide by> > state regs.> >> >> > ------------------------------> > *From:* "wharrison@..." > > *To:* Vaccinations > > *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2012 5:17 PM> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > ----------> > From: **> > Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:53 AM> > Vaccinations > >> >> >> >> > In further looking at their rules at the main link, I see > there is a> > religious exemption form P11A on pg. 3 for schools (not > daycare), but a> > generic exemption form P11 on pg. 10 for daycare. It doesn't > say a word> > about religion. Interesting. Make sure to use P11, not P11A.> >> > I'd print out the correct health form, get it signed and bring > that in,> > too, to show them you know what the law is.> >> > Winnie> >> >> >>

April 17, 2012

We'll have to do that. It isn't a religious exemption for the preschool though.....just I do object. The state health department said maybe the form was to make sure we really knew what we were doing....that we were educated, but I don't know what concern that is of the preschools. I thought the vaccine issue was a state thing.

I think that preschool has been filling up lately. It is a favorite with the teachers as it is open when schools are and closed when they are, so they don't have to pay for days you aren't attending. They don't usually do half days and they accommodated us for the 7 year old. I don't think he needs to go all day as the afternoon is napping and snack time mainly. I would be picking him up after lunch.

from Missouri

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:59 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

I would ask the director about it, and say you can't sign your name to something you don't believe. Ask what the form is for since a religious exemption covers her legally. Point out it's a form for patients, not for parents or schools, and it means NOTHING legally for the school.

And remember, the school needs your business. They should want to accommodate you.

Winnie preschoolds and refuse to vaccinate forms> >> Vaccinations

> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to > handle a> >> > preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter

> called this> >> > morning and I now> >> > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is> >> > supposed to> >> > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His

> older brother> >> > was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such requirement.> >> > She just> >> > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see it has

> >> > on it:> >> > " Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these> >> > vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious> >> > complications. " )

> >> > The preschool is affiliated with the school district, but I was> >> > told it> >> > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school > with the> >> > director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't sign the

> >> > form the> >> > way it is or> >> > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with the rest> >> > of the> >> > paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we did so.

> >> >> >> > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics > form. Their> >> > doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all> >> > about not

> >> > vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just> >> > wanted to> >> > know how he got> >> > into school and my daughter said with the religious exemption.

> >> > It looks> >> > like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. She hasn't> >> > recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my > daughter isn't

> >> > doing them, so I> >> > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose she would> >> > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as > she is

> >> > an allopath.> >> >> >> > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and > of course> >> > all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the moment.

> >> > I wanted> >> > to see what they had to say on what the preschool can require.> >> >> >> > from Missouri> > ----------> > From: **

> > Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:17 PM> > Vaccinations

> > I suppose they could add anything they want if they're a > private business.> > But every school my kids have gone to, private, public, all > levels--they> > all refer to legal requirements as why they require vaccination.

> >> > It seems that it's possible she just gave you the health form which> > happens to have the AAP form on it, that she wasn't giving you > the AAP form> > to sign all by itself. But...maybe not. Here's the health form

> the doc has> > to sign, which is amazingly lacking in specifics on the > child's health: (> > http://health.mo.gov/safety/childcare/pdf/BCC-6A.pdf)

> >> > Maybe she even gave you a K-12 school form. Regardless, it's > not the law> > to sign that AAP form.> >> > Winnie> >> >> > ----------

> > From: * Boisvert Mackenzie*

> > Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM> > " Vaccinations " > >> >

> >> >

> > That would constitute discrimination no?> >> > Most child care programs have to register with the state and > abide by> > state regs.> >> >

> > ------------------------------> > From: ** > > Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:53 AM> > Vaccinations > >> >> >

> >> > In further looking at their rules at the main link, I see > there is a> > religious exemption form P11A on pg. 3 for schools (not > daycare), but a> > generic exemption form P11 on pg. 10 for daycare. It doesn't

> say a word> > about religion. Interesting. Make sure to use P11, not P11A.> >> > I'd print out the correct health form, get it signed and bring > that in,> > too, to show them you know what the law is.

> >> > Winnie> >> >> >>

April 17, 2012

Yes, I thought that was very interesting that you aren't required to submit a religious exemption for preschool, especially since you do for regular school. In CT, you have to submit a religious one for any age. You can't just object. That is technically a philosophical exemption.

Do you see how the health dept is just guessing as to why the preschool asked for the form? They're stabbing in the dark, too, as usual. No doubt you are more knowledgeable than they are.

Winnie

preschoolds and refuse to > vaccinate forms> > > >> Vaccinations > > > >>> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to> > > handle a> > > >> > preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter> > > called this> > > >> > morning and I now> > > >> > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is> > > >> > supposed to> > > >> > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His> > > older brother> > > >> > was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such requirement.> > > >> > She just> > > >> > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see > it has> > > >> > on it:> > > >> > "Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these> > > >> > vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious> > > >> > complications.")> > > >> > The preschool is affiliated with the school district, > but I was> > > >> > told it> > > >> > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school> > > with the> > > >> > director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't > sign the> > > >> > form the> > > >> > way it is or> > > >> > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with > the rest> > > >> > of the> > > >> > paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we > did so.> > > >> >> > > >> > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics> > > form. Their> > > >> > doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all> > > >> > about not> > > >> > vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just> > > >> > wanted to> > > >> > know how he got> > > >> > into school and my daughter said with the religious > exemption.> > >> > It looks> > > >> > like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. > She hasn't> > > >> > recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my> > > daughter isn't> > > >> > doing them, so I> > > >> > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose > she would> > > >> > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as> > > she is> > > >> > an allopath.> > > >> >> > > >> > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and> > > of course> > > >> > all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the > moment.> > >> > I wanted> > > >> > to see what they had to say on what the preschool can > require.> > >> >> > > >> > from Missouri> > > > ----------> > > > From: **> > **> > > > Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:17 PM> > > > Vaccinations > >> > > > > > I suppose they could add anything they want if they're a> > > private business.> > > > But every school my kids have gone to, private, public, all> > > levels--they> > > > all refer to legal requirements as why they require vaccination.> > > >> > > > It seems that it's possible she just gave you the health > form which> > > > happens to have the AAP form on it, that she wasn't giving you> > > the AAP form> > > > to sign all by itself. But...maybe not. Here's the health form> > > the doc has> > > > to sign, which is amazingly lacking in specifics on the> > > child's health: (> > > > http://health.mo.gov/safety/childcare/pdf/BCC-6A.pdf)> > > >> > > > Maybe she even gave you a K-12 school form. Regardless, it's> > > not the law> > > > to sign that AAP form.> > > >> > > > Winnie> > > >> > > >> > > > ----------> > > > From: * Boisvert Mackenzie* **> > > > Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM> > > > "Vaccinations " **> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > That would constitute discrimination no?> > > >> > > > Most child care programs have to register with the state and> > > abide by> > > > state regs.> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > From: **> > **> > > > Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:53 AM> > > > Vaccinations > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > In further looking at their rules at the main link, I see> > > there is a> > > > religious exemption form P11A on pg. 3 for schools (not> > > daycare), but a> > > > generic exemption form P11 on pg. 10 for daycare. It doesn't> > > say a word> > > > about religion. Interesting. Make sure to use P11, not P11A.> > > >> > > > I'd print out the correct health form, get it signed and bring> > > that in,> > > > too, to show them you know what the law is.> > > >> > > > Winnie> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > >>

April 17, 2012

I was just telling my husband, I don't really think anyone at the state knew how to answer my question as I was transferred to about 4 different people. The last lady was the one who told me that they could require more as a part of their policy, but before she did, she had to check with someone.

from Missouri

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:58 PM, <wharrison@...> wrote:

Yes, I thought that was very interesting that you aren't required to submit a religious exemption for preschool, especially since you do for regular school. In CT, you have to submit a religious one for any age. You can't just object. That is technically a philosophical exemption.

Do you see how the health dept is just guessing as to why the preschool asked for the form? They're stabbing in the dark, too, as usual. No doubt you are more knowledgeable than they are.

Winnie

preschoolds and refuse to > vaccinate forms> > > >> Vaccinations

> > > >>> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on how to> > > handle a

> > > >> > preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter> > > called this> > > >> > morning and I now> > > >> > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form she is

> > > >> > supposed to> > > >> > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His> > > older brother> > > >> > was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such requirement.

> > > >> > She just> > > >> > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see > it has> > > >> > on it:> > > >> > " Unimmunized children have a greater risk of getting these

> > > >> > vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious> > > >> > complications. " )> > > >> > The preschool is affiliated with the school district,

> but I was> > > >> > told it> > > >> > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school> > > with the> > > >> > director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't

> sign the> > > >> > form the> > > >> > way it is or> > > >> > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with > the rest> > > >> > of the

> > > >> > paperwork without calling attention to the fact that we > did so.> > > >> >> > > >> > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics

> > > form. Their> > > >> > doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother them at all> > > >> > about not> > > >> > vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there she just

> > > >> > wanted to> > > >> > know how he got> > > >> > into school and my daughter said with the religious > exemption.> > >> > It looks

> > > >> > like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor. > She hasn't> > > >> > recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my> > > daughter isn't

> > > >> > doing them, so I> > > >> > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose > she would> > > >> > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of her as

> > > she is> > > >> > an allopath.> > > >> >> > > >> > I called the Missouri Department of Health this morning and> > > of course

> > > >> > all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the > moment.> > >> > I wanted> > > >> > to see what they had to say on what the preschool can

> require.> > >> >> > > >> > from Missouri> > > > ----------> > > > From: **> > **> > > > Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:17 PM

> > > > Vaccinations > >> > > > > > I suppose they could add anything they want if they're a

> > > private business.> > > > But every school my kids have gone to, private, public, all> > > levels--they> > > > all refer to legal requirements as why they require vaccination.

> > > >> > > > It seems that it's possible she just gave you the health > form which> > > > happens to have the AAP form on it, that she wasn't giving you> > > the AAP form

> > > > to sign all by itself. But...maybe not. Here's the health form> > > the doc has> > > > to sign, which is amazingly lacking in specifics on the> > > child's health: (

> > > > http://health.mo.gov/safety/childcare/pdf/BCC-6A.pdf)> > > >> > > > Maybe she even gave you a K-12 school form. Regardless, it's

> > > not the law> > > > to sign that AAP form.> > > >> > > > Winnie> > > >> > > >> > > > ----------

> > > > From: * Boisvert Mackenzie* **> > > > Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM> > > > " Vaccinations " **

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > That would constitute discrimination no?> > > >> > > > Most child care programs have to register with the state and

> > > abide by> > > > state regs.> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > From: **> > **> > > > Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:53 AM

> > > > Vaccinations > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > In further looking at their rules at the main link, I see

> > > there is a> > > > religious exemption form P11A on pg. 3 for schools (not> > > daycare), but a> > > > generic exemption form P11 on pg. 10 for daycare. It doesn't

> > > say a word> > > > about religion. Interesting. Make sure to use P11, not P11A.> > > >> > > > I'd print out the correct health form, get it signed and bring

> > > that in,> > > > too, to show them you know what the law is.> > > >> > > > Winnie> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >

> >> >> > > >>

April 17, 2012

Right, they're just people hired for a job. That doesn't mean they know every detail, especially about things that probably don't come up regularly.

Winnie preschoolds and refuse to> > > vaccinate forms> > > > > >> Vaccinations > > > > > >>> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on > how to> > > > > handle a> > > > > >> > preschool and a refuse to vaccinate form. My daughter> > > > > called this> > > > > >> > morning and I now> > > > > >> > have in my possession the refuse to vaccinate form > she is> > > > > >> > supposed to> > > > > >> > sign to get my 3 year old grandson into preschool. His> > > > > older brother> > > > > >> > was there 2 years ago and there wasn't any such > requirement.> > > > >> > She just> > > > > >> > signed the Missouri religious exemption (although I see> > > it has> > > > > >> > on it:> > > > > >> > "Unimmunized children have a greater risk of > getting these> > > > > >> > vaccine-preventable diseases which can lead to serious> > > > > >> > complications.")> > > > > >> > The preschool is affiliated with the school district,> > > but I was> > > > > >> > told it> > > > > >> > is run as a separate business. My daughter went to school> > > > > with the> > > > > >> > director, so I don't know whether to tell her we can't> > > sign the> > > > > >> > form the> > > > > >> > way it is or> > > > > >> > just do some crossing out of words and turn it in with> > > the rest> > > > > >> > of the> > > > > >> > paperwork without calling attention to the fact > that we> > > did so.> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > I am surprised it is the American Academy of Pediatrics> > > > > form. Their> > > > > >> > doctor is in family practice and doesn't bother > them at all> > > > > >> > about not> > > > > >> > vaccinating. The last time the 7 year old was there > she just> > > > > >> > wanted to> > > > > >> > know how he got> > > > > >> > into school and my daughter said with the religious> > > exemption.> > >> > It looks> > > > > >> > like this form needs to be filled out by the doctor.> > > She hasn't> > > > > >> > recommended any vaccines in the past as she knows my> > > > > daughter isn't> > > > > >> > doing them, so I> > > > > >> > don't know what she would put on the form. I suppose> > > she would> > > > > >> > probablecheck things off if it was put in front of > her as> > > > > she is> > > > > >> > an allopath.> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > I called the Missouri Department of Health this > morning and> > > > > of course> > > > > >> > all the specialists are in a state wide meeting at the> > > moment.> > >> > I wanted> > > > > >> > to see what they had to say on what the preschool can> > > require.> > >> >> > > > > >> > from Missouri> > > > > > ----------> > > > > > From: **> > > > **> > > > > > Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:17 PM> > > > > > Vaccinations > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > I suppose they could add anything they want if they're a> > > > > private business.> > > > > > But every school my kids have gone to, private, > public, all> > > > > levels--they> > > > > > all refer to legal requirements as why they require > vaccination.> > > > >> > > > > > It seems that it's possible she just gave you the health> > > form which> > > > > > happens to have the AAP form on it, that she wasn't > giving you> > > > > the AAP form> > > > > > to sign all by itself. But...maybe not. Here's the > health form> > > > > the doc has> > > > > > to sign, which is amazingly lacking in specifics on the> > > > > child's health: (> > > > > > http://health.mo.gov/safety/childcare/pdf/BCC-6A.pdf)> > > > > >> > > > > > Maybe she even gave you a K-12 school form. > Regardless, it's> > > > > not the law> > > > > > to sign that AAP form.> > > > > >> > > > > > Winnie> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ----------> > > > > > From: * Boisvert Mackenzie* **> > > > > > Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM> > > > > > "Vaccinations " **> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > That would constitute discrimination no?> > > > > >> > > > > > Most child care programs have to register with the > state and> > > > > abide by> > > > > > state regs.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > From: **> > > > **> > > > > > Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 11:53 AM> > > > > > Vaccinations > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > In further looking at their rules at the main link, I see> > > > > there is a> > > > > > religious exemption form P11A on pg. 3 for schools (not> > > > > daycare), but a> > > > > > generic exemption form P11 on pg. 10 for daycare. It doesn't> > > > > say a word> > > > > > about religion. Interesting. Make sure to use P11, not P11A.> > > > > >> > > > > > I'd print out the correct health form, get it signed > and bring> > > > > that in,> > > > > > too, to show them you know what the law is.> > > > > >> > > > > > Winnie> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > >>

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