Guest guest Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 Thanks so much for all the great ultrasound info! > > OK to share........ > Sheri > > Here is a link to an interesting article entitled Ultrasound - > weighing the propaganda against the facts. It was written by the > author of Ultrasound Unsound? > > http://www.aims.org.uk/ultrasound.htm > > I have seen other studies identifying negative side effects of > ultrasounds. One in particular found that as little as 1 ultrasound > could delay a child's speech by as much as 9 months. This study was > done in Canada, not the US. Other findings have suggested that the > increase in left-handedness among children who were scanned before > birth is linked to the ultrasound, which would show that the scan > does alter the brain in some way. > > In the US, keep in mind that medical equipment does not undergo the > type of testing that a drug must go through to get on the market. > The scans used today are more invasive than the earlier ones, so it > will take a few more decades to really know the outcome. The recent > generations of children who have been scanned are in fact the guinea > pigs that will decide the safety of ultrasounds -- which have done > nothing to lower childbirth death rates, but have sent the C- section > rate dangerously high in the US. > > The article above points out that the doppler, used to detect heart > tones on every prenatal visit unless you have a midwife (who uses a > fetalscope), may cause even more damage than the ultrasound. > > - > > ******* > > This is straight from the journal " Epidemiology " (Dec 2001), and > suggests that ultrasound is associated with mild brain damage. > > http://www.mercola.com/2001/dec/19/ultrasound.htm > > My boss, Dr. Mark Ellisman, is a world-renowned research scientist at UCSD > who specializes in imaging technologies for the study of brain structure > at the cellular level; he has personally found evidence of something > called " cavitation " , which is the " rapid formation and collapse of vapor > pockets " in fluid within tissue. When my wife and I became pregnant > he warned me to keep the ultrasound as short as possible. He knows what > he's talking about. > > Here's a relevant quote: > > " Free radical production in amniotic fluid and blood plasma by medical > ultrasound, probably following gaseous cavitation, has been detected > by Crum et al (1987). This provides a likely mechanism for the > origin of the DNA damage. Because of these confirmations and a report > by Ellisman et al (1987) that diagnostic levels of ultrasound may disrupt > myelination in neonatal rats, the need for regulation, guidance, and > properly controlled clinical studies is clear. " > > http://www.aimsusa.org/ultrasnd.htm > > Here's another useful link: > > http://www.alternamoms.com/ultrasound.html > > So please don't consider this a benign procedure or an opportunity > to get some pretty pictures. and *please* don't get an extra > 3D ultrasound, which is a very long scan, to get the 3D picture > of your baby. There is a real risk, and it's just not worth it. > > Do a Google search on " +ultrasound +cavitation " or " +ultrasound +Ellisman " > and convince yourself. > > Just my .02 > > Dave > > > ******* > http://www.mothering.com/11-0-0/html/11-2-0/ultrasound-risk.shtml > > Weighing the Risks: What You Should Know about Ultrasound > By Buckley > Issue 102, September/October 2000 > > Ultrasonography was originally developed during World War II to detect > enemy submarines. Its use in medicine was pioneered in Glasgow, Scotland, > by Dr. Ian , who first used ultrasound to look at abdominal tumors, > and later babies in utero in the mid-1950s.1 The use of ultrasound in > pregnancy spread quickly. > > In westernized healthcare systems, ultrasound, which may be offered to a > pregnant woman either to investigate a possible problem at any stage of > pregnancy or as a routine scan at around 18 weeks, has become almost > universal in pregnancy. In Australia, where I live, 99 percent of pregnant > women have at least one scan, paid for in part by our federal government, > through Medicare. In fact, from 1997 to 1998 Medicare paid out AU$39 > million for obstetric scans, compared to AU$54 million for all other > obstetric Medicare costs. In the US, the American College of Obstetrics and > Gynecology (ACOG) estimates that 60 to 70 percent of pregnant women are > scanned, despite an official statement from ACOG that recommends against > routine ultrasound.2 At a cost of roughly $300 per procedure, this > represents a cost of approximately $70 to $80 million each year in the US. > > Besides routine scans, ultrasound can be prescribed to investigate problems > such as bleeding in early pregnancy. Later in pregnancy, ultrasound can be > used when a baby is not growing, or when breech or twin births are > suspected. In such cases, the information gained from ultrasound can be > very useful in decision-making, and generally most professionals support > the use of ultrasound in this context. > > It is such use of routine prenatal ultrasound (RPU) that is more > controversial, as this practice involves scanning all pregnant women in the > hope of improving the outcome for some mothers and babies. RPU seeks to > gain four main types of information: > > > Estimated due date. Dating a pregnancy is most accurate at early stages, > when babies vary the least in size. By contrast, at 18 to 20 weeks the > expected date of delivery is only accurate to within a week either way. > Some studies have suggested, however, that an early examination or a > woman's own estimation of her due date can be as accurate as RPU.3,4 > Unsuspected physical abnormalities. While many women are reassured by a > normal scan, in fact RPU detects only between 17 percent and 85 percent of > the one in 50 babies that have major abnormalities at birth.5,6 A recent > study from Brisbane, Australia, showed that ultrasound at a major women's > hospital missed about 40 percent of abnormalities, many of which are > difficult or impossible to detect.7 The major causes of intellectual > disability, such as cerebral palsy and Down syndrome, or heart and kidney > abnormalities, are unlikely to be picked up on a routine scan. > > There is also a small chance that the diagnosis of an abnormality is false > positive. In some instances, normal babies have been aborted because of > false-positive diagnoses.8 A United Kingdom survey found that one in 200 > babies aborted for major abnormalities were wrongly diagnosed.9 > > In addition to false positives, there are also uncertain cases in which the > ultrasound image cannot be easily interpreted, and the outcome for the baby > is not known. In one study involving babies at higher risk of > abnormalities, almost 10 percent of scans were uncertain.10 This can create > immense anxiety for the woman and her family that may not be allayed by the > birth of a normal baby: in the same study, mothers with questionable > diagnoses still had associated anxiety three months after the child's > birth. Uncertain findings also lead to repeated and/or prolonged scans, > increasing the expense, inconvenience, and dosage of ultrasound. > > In some cases of uncertainty, further tests such as amniocentesis are > recommended. In such situations, there may be up to two weeks wait for > results, during which time a mother must consider whether or not she will > terminate the pregnancy if an abnormality is found. Even mothers who > receive reassuring news have felt that this process has interfered with > their relationship with their babies.11 > > Location of the placenta. A very low-lying placenta (placenta previa) puts > mother and baby at risk of severe bleeding, and usually necessitates a > cesarean section. However, 19 out of 20 women who have placenta previa > detected on RPU will be needlessly worried, as the placenta will > effectively move upwards as the pregnancy progresses.12 Furthermore, > detection of placenta previa by RPU has not been found to be safer than > detection in labor.13 > > Multiple fetuses. Ultrasound can detect the presence of more than one baby > at an early stage of pregnancy, but this knowledge affords no documented > health advantages for mother or babies, and, without RPU, almost all > multiple pregnancies are discovered before birth.14 > > Why Are RPUs So Popular? > Supporters of RPU argue that availability of ultrasonic information leads > to better outcomes for mother and baby. While this seems logical, > researchers have not found evidence of significant benefit from RPU, and > the issue of the safety of ultrasound has not yet been resolved. > > From a research perspective, the most significant benefit of RPU is a small > reduction in perinatal mortality, that is the number of babies dying around > the time of birth. This is, however, merely a statistical reduction since > perinatal mortality rates do not include deaths that occur before five to > six months' gestation. Often when a baby is found to have a fatal > abnormality on RPU, the pregnancy is terminated before this time, excluding > the baby from perinatal statistics. > > RPU proponents presume that early diagnosis and termination is beneficial > to women and their families. However, the discovery of a major abnormality > on RPU can lead to very difficult decision-making. Some women who agree to > have an ultrasound are unaware that they may get information about their > baby that they do not want, as they would not contemplate a termination. > Other women can feel pressured to have a termination, or at least feel some > emotional distancing from their " abnormal " baby.15 > > Furthermore, there is no evidence that women who have chosen termination > are, in the long term, psychologically better off than women whose babies > have died at birth. In fact, there are suggestions that the reverse may be > true in some cases.16 In choosing a possible stillbirth over a termination, > women at least get social acknowledgment and support, and are able to > grieve openly. Where termination has been chosen, women are unlikely to > share their story with others and can experience considerable guilt and > pain from the knowledge that they themselves chose the loss.17 > > Another purported benefit of RPU is a reduced risk of being induced for > being " overdue, " because RPU dating gives a more certain estimated due > date. However, there is no clear evidence that this is true, as the > possibility of induction is more determined by hospital or doctor policy > than by the availability of RPU.19 > > Many supporters of RPU claim that it's a pleasurable experience, and > contributes to bonding between mother (and father, if he is present) and > baby. While it is true that it can be exciting to get a first glimpse of > one's baby in utero, there is no evidence that it helps attachment or > encourages healthier behavior toward the baby.20 For most women, bonding > occurs naturally when they begin to feel fetal movements at 16 to 20 weeks. > > Reasons for Concern > Ultrasound waves are known to affect living tissues in at least two ways. > First, the sonar beam heats the highlighted area by about 1°C (2° F). This > is presumed to be insignificant, based on whole-body heating in pregnancy, > which seems to be safe up to 2.5°C (5°F).21 The second effect is > cavitation, where the small pockets of gas that exist within mammalian > tissue vibrate and then collapse. In this situation " ...temperatures of > many thousands of degrees Celsius in the gas create a wide range of > chemical products, some of which are potentially toxic. " 22 The significance > of cavitation in human tissue is unknown. > > A number of studies have suggested that these effects are of real concern > in living tissues. The first study indicating problems analyzed cells grown > in the lab. Cell abnormalities caused by exposure to ultrasound were seen > to persist for several generations.23 Another study showed that, in newborn > rats (who are at a similar stage of brain development as humans at four to > five months in utero), ultrasound can damage the myelin that covers > nerves,24 indicating that the nervous system may be particularly > susceptible to damage from this technology. In 1999, an animal study by > Brennan and colleagues, reported in New Scientist,25 showed that exposing > mice to dosages typical of obstetric ultrasound caused a 22 percent > reduction in the rate of cell division, and a doubling of the rate of cell > death in the cells of the small intestine. > > Studies on humans exposed to ultrasound have shown possible adverse > effects, including premature ovulation,26 preterm labor or miscarriage,27, > 28 low birthweight,29 poorer condition at birth,30, 31 dyslexia,32 delayed > speech development,33 and less right-handedness,34, 35 a factor which in > some circumstances can be a marker of damage to the developing brain. In > addition, one Australian study showed that babies exposed to five or more > ultrasounds were 30 percent more likely to develop intrauterine growth > retardation (IUGR)--a condition that ultrasound is often used to detect.36 > > Two long-term randomized controlled trials, comparing exposed and unexposed > children's development at eight to nine years of age, found no measurable > effect from ultrasound.37, 38 However, as the authors note, intensities > used today are many times higher than in 1979 to 1981. A later report of > one of these trials39 indicated that scanning time was only three minutes. > More studies are obviously needed in this area, particularly in Doppler > ultrasound, where exposure levels are much higher, and in vaginal > ultrasound, where there is less tissue shielding the baby from the > transducer. > > A further problem with studying ultrasound's effect is the huge range of > output, or dose, possible from a single machine. Modern machines can give > comparable ultrasound pictures using either a lower or a 5,000 times higher > dose,40 and there are no standards to ensure that the lowest dose is used. > Because of the complexity of machines, it is difficult to even quantify the > dose given in each examination.41 In the US, as in Australia, training is > voluntary (even for obstetricians), and the skill and experience of > operators varies widely. > > In all the research done on ultrasound, there has been very little interest > in women's opinions of RPU, and the consequences of universal scanning for > women's experience of pregnancy. In her thoughtful book on prenatal > diagnosis, The Tentative Pregnancy,42 Barbara Katz Rothman suggests that > the large numbers of screening tests currently being offered to check for > abnormalities makes every pregnancy tentative until reassuring results come > back. > > Ultrasound is not compulsory, and I suggest that each woman consider the > risks, benefits, and implications of scanning for her own particular > situation. If you decide to have a scan, be clear about the information > that you do and do not want to be told. Have your scan done by an operator > with a high level of skill and experience (usually this means performing at > least 750 scans per year) and say that you want the shortest scan possible. > If an abnormality is found, ask for counseling and a second opinion as soon > as practical. And remember, it's your baby and your choice. > > Notes > 1. Ann Oakley, " The History of Ultrasonography in Obstetrics, " Birth 13, > no. 1 (1986): 8-13. > > 2. American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, " Routine Ultrasound > in Low-Risk Pregnancy, ACOG Practice Patterns: Evidence-Based Guidelines > for Clinical Issues, " Obstetrics and Gynecology 5 (August 1997). > > 3. O. Olsen et al., " Routine Ultrasound Dating Has Not Been Shown to Be > More Accurate Than the Calendar Method, " Br J Obstet Gynaecol 104, no. 11 > (1997): 1221-1222. > > 4. H. Kieler, O. Axelsson, S. Nilsson, and U. Waldenstrom, " Comparison of > Ultrasonic Measurement of Biparietal Diameter and Last Menstrual Period as > a Predictor of Day of Delivery in Women with Regular 28-Day Cycles, " > Acta-Obstet-Gynecol-Scand 75, no. 5 (1993): 347-349. > > 5. B. G. Ewigman, J. P. Crane, F. D. Frigoletto et al., " Effect of Prenatal > Ultrasound Screening on Perinatal Outcome, " N Engl J Med 329, no. 12 > (1993): 821-827. > > 6. C. A. Luck, " Value of Routine Ultrasound Scanning at 19 Weeks: A Four > Year Study of 8849 Deliveries, " British Medical Journal 34, no. 6840 > (1992): 1474-1478. > > 7. F. Y. Chan, " Limitations of Ultrasound, " paper presented at Perinatal > Society of Australia and New Zealand 1st Annual Congress, Freemantle, 1997. > > 8. AIMS UK, " Ultrasound Unsound?, " AIMS UK Journal 5, no. 1 (Spring 1993). > > 9. I. R. Brand, P. Kaminopetros, M. Cave et al., " Specificity of Antenatal > Ultrasound in the Yorkshire Region: A Prospective Study of 2261 Ultrasound > Detected Anomalies, " Br J Obstet Gynaecal 101, no. 5 (1994): 392- 397. > > 10. J. W. Sparling, J. W. Seeds, and D. C. Farran, " The Relationship of > Obstetric Ultrasound to Parent and Infant Behavior, " Obstet Gynecol 72, no. > 6 (1988): 902-907. > > 11. A. s, " Women's Experience of Routine Prenatal Ultrasound, " > Healthsharing Women: The Newsletter of Healthsharing Women's Health > Resource Service (Melbourne, Australia) 5, no.s 3, 4 (December 1994- March > 1995). > > 12. MIDIRS, Informed Choice for Professionals, Ultrasound Screening in the > First Half of Pregnancy: Is It Useful for Everyone? (UK: MIDIRS and the NHS > Centre for Reviews and Dissemination, 1996). > > 13. A. Saari-Kemppainen, O. Karjalainen, P. Ylostalo et al., " Ultrasound > Screening and Perinatal Mortality: Controlled Trial of Systematic One-stage > Screening in Pregnancy, " The Lancet 336, no. 8712 (1990): 387-391. > > 14. See Note 12. > > 15. See Note 11. > > 16. D. Watkins, " An Alternative to Termination of Pregnancy, " The > Practitioner 233, no. 1472 (1989): 990, 992. > > 17. See Note 12. > > 18. Ibid. > > 19. Ibid. > > 20. Ibid. > > 21. " American Institute of Ultrasound Medicine Bioeffects Report 1988, " J > Ultrasound Med 7 (September 1988): S1-S38. > > 22. Ibid. > > 23. D. Liebeskind, R. Bases, F. Elequin et al., " Diagnostic Ultrasound: > Effects on the DNA and Growth Patterns of Animal Cells, " Radiology 131, no. > 1 (1979): 177-184. > > 24. M. H. Ellisman, D. E. Palmer, and M. P. Andre, " Diagnostic Levels of > Ultrasound May Disrupt Myelination, " Experimental Neurology 98, no. 1 > (1987): 78-92. > > 25. Brennan et al., " Shadow of Doubt, " New Scientist 12 (June 1999): 23. > > 26. J. Testart, A. Thebalt, E. Souderis, and R. Frydman, " Premature > Ovulation after Ovarian Ultrasonography, " Br J Obstet Gynaecol 89, no. 9 > (1982): 694-700. > > 27. See Note 13. > > 28. R. P. Lorenz, C. H. Comstock, S. F. Bottoms, and S. R. Marx, > " Randomised Prospective Trial Comparing Ultrasonography and Pelvic > Examination for Preterm Labor Surveillance, " Am J Obstet Gynecol 162, no. 6 > (1990): 1603-1610. > > 29. J. Newnham, S. F. , C. A. et al., " Effects of Frequent > Ultrasound During Pregnancy: A Randomised Controlled Trial, " The Lancet > 342, no. 8876 (1993): 887-891. > > 30. S. B. Thacker, " The Case of Imaging Ultrasound in Obstetrics: A > Review, " Br J Obstet Gynaecol 92, no. 5 (1985): 437-444. > > 31. J. P. Newnham et al., " Doppler Flow Velocity Wave Form Analysis in High > Risk Pregnancies: A Randomised Controlled Trial, " Br J Obstet Gynaecol 98, > no. 10 (1991): 956-963. > > 32. C. R. Stark, M. Orleans, A. D. Havercamp et al., " Short and Long Term > Risks after Exposure to Diagnostic Ultrasound in Utero, " Obstet Gynecol 63 > (1984): 194-200. > > 33. J. D. et al., " Case-control Study of Prenatal Ultrasonography > in Children with Delayed Speech, " Can Med Ass J 149, no. 10 (1993): 1435- > 1440. > > 34. K. A. Salvesen, L. J. Vatten, S. H. Eik-nes et al., " Routine > Ultrasonography in Utero and Subsequent Handedness and Neurological > Development, " British Medical Journal 307, no. 6897 (1993) 159-164. > > 35. H. Kieler, O. Axelsson, B. Haguland et al., " Routine Ultrasound > Screening in Pregnancy and the Children's Subsequent Handedness, " Early > Human Development 50, no. 2 (1998): 233-245. > > 36. See Note 31. > > 37. K. A. Salvesen, L. S. Bakketeig, S. H. Eik-nes et al., " Routine > Ultrasonography in Utero and School Performance at Age 8-9 Years, " The > Lancet 339, no. 8785 (1992):85-89. > > 38. H. Kieler, G. Ahlsten, B. Haguland et al., " Routine Ultrasound > Screening in Pregnancy and the Children's Subsequent Neurological > Development, " Obstet Gynecol 91, no. 5 (1998): 750-756. > > 39. See Note 37. > > 40. H. B. Meire, " The Safety of Diagnostic Ultrasound, " Br J Obstet > Gynaecol 94 (1987): 1121-1122. > > 41. K. J. W. , " A Prudent Approach to Ultrasound Imaging of the Fetus > and Newborn, " Birth 17, no. 4 (1990): 218-223. > > 42. Barbara Katz Rothman, The Tentative Pregnancy: How Amniocentesis > Changes the Experience of Motherhood (New York: W. W. Norton, 1993). > > For more information on ultrasound, see the following articles in past > issues of Mothering: " Ultrasound: More Harm Than Good? " no. 77; " The > Trouble with Ultrasound, " no. 57; " How Sound Is Ultrasound? " no. 34; > " Ultrasound, " no. 24; and " Diagnostic Ultrasound, " no. 19. > > Buckley (40) is a New Zealand-trained GP (family MD), and still in > training as partner to . Mother of Emma (9), Zoe (6), and > (4), she is currently expecting her fourth baby and lives in Brisbane, > Australia, where she writes about pregnancy, birth, and parenting. > > > ******** > Shadow of a doubt > > by Rob > > ULTRASOUND SCANS can stop cells from dividing and make them commit suicide. > A > research team in Ireland say this is the first evidence that routine scans, > which have let doctors peek at fetuses and internal organs for the past 40 > years, affect the normal cell cycle. > > A team led by Brennan of University College Dublin gave 12 mice an > 8-megahertz scan lasting for 15 minutes. Hospital scans, which reflect > inaudible sound waves off soft tissue to produce images on a monitor, use > frequencies of between 3 and 10 megahertz and can last for up to an hour > > The researchers detected two significant changes in the cells of the small > intestine in scanned mice compared to the mice that hadn't been scanned. > Four > and a half hours after exposure, there was a 22 per cent reduction in the > rate of cell division, while the rate of programmed cell death or > " apoptosis " > had approximately doubled. > > Brennan believes there will be similar effects in humans. " It has been > assumed for a long time that ultrasound has no effect on cells, " he says. > " We > now have grounds to question that assumption. " > > Brennan stresses, however, that the implications for human health are > uncertain. " There are changes happening, but we couldn't say whether they > are > harmful or harmless, " he explains. The intestine is a very adaptable organ > that can compensate for alterations in the cell cycle, says Brennan. > > It is possible that the sound waves damage the DNA in cells, delaying cell > division and repair. Brennan suggests that ultrasound might be switching on > the p53 gene which controls cell deaths. This gene, dubbed " the guardian of > the genome " , produces a protein that helps cells recognise DNA damage and > then either self-destruct or stop dividing. > > Studies in the early 1990s by researchers at the University of Rochester in > New York and the Batelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories in Richland, > Washington, showed that tissue heating due to ultrasound can cause bleeding > in mouse intestines. Ultrasonographers now tune the power of scans to reduce > such heating. > > But Brennan's work is the first evidence that scans create changes in cells. > " Our results are preliminary and need further investigation, " he says. The > team presented their results at the Radiology 1999 conference in Birmingham > last month and are now preparing them for submission to a peer- reviewed > journal. > > Elliott, a researcher in clinical physics at the University of Glasgow, > thinks that Brennan's results are important and should be followed with > further studies. " If the conditions of his experiments really compare to the > clinical use of ultrasound, " he says, " we may have to review the current > safety limits. " > > > >From New Scientist, 12 June 1999 > ******* > > Here are some excerpts about ultrasound from " What Doctors Don't Tell You " > by Lynne McTaggart. " No well controlled study has yet proved that > routine scanning of prenatal patients will improve the outcome of > pregnancy " - official statement from American College of Obstetrics & > Gynecology in 1984 > > Some studies show that, with ultrasound, you are more likely to lose your > baby. A study from Queen Charlotte's and Chelsea Hospital in London found > that women having doppler ultrasound were more likely to lose their babies > than those who received only standard neonatal care (17 deaths to 7). > > A Norwegian study of 2,000 babies found that those subjected to routine > ultrasound scanning were 30% more likely to be left-handed than those sho > weren't scanned. An Australian study demonstraates that frequent scans > increased the proportion of growth-restricted babies by a third, resulting > in a higher number of small babies. Exposure to ultrasound also caused > delayed speech, according to Canadian researcher Professor . > > The International Childbirth Education Association has maintained that > ultrasound is most likely to affect development (behavioral & > neurological), blood cells, the immune system, & a child's genetic makeup. > > Besides the safety issue, there are considerable questions about accuracy. > There is a significant chance that your scan will indicate a problem when > there isn't one, or fail to pick up aa problem actually there. One study > found a " high rate " of false positives, 17% of the pregnant women scanned > were shown to have small-for-dates babies, when only 6% actually did - an > error rate of nearly one out of three. Another study from Harvard showed > that among 3,100 scans, 18 babies were erroneously labeled abnormal, and 17 > fetuses with problems were missed. > > > > ******** > this is from another list... > > <<<According to Anne Frye, midwife and author of " Understanding Lab Work in > the Childbearing Year " (4th Ed.)p. 405 > Doppler Devices: Many women do not realize that doppler fetoscopes are > ultrasound devices. (apparently, neither do many care providers. Time > after time, women are assured by doctors and even some nurse midwives > that a doppler is not an ultrasound device.) . . . . > > Not well publicized for obvious reasons, doppler devices expose the fetus > to more powerful ultrasound than real time (imaging) ultrasound exams. > One minute of doppler exposure is equal to 35 minutes of real time > ultrasound. This is an important point for women to consider when > deciding between an ultrasound exam and listening with a doppler to > determine viability in early pregnancy. . . . . > > If you have a doppler, put it aside and make a concerted effort to learn > to listen yourself! Save your doppler for those rare occasions when you > cannot hear the heart rate late into pushing or to further investigate > suspected fetal death. " copyright l990, Anne Frye, B.H. Holistic > Midwifery. > > Personally, after 23 years of attending births, I would not permit a > doppler in my house if I were pregnant. You always know that something > is ultrasound because there will be " jelly " involved. If you want a > cheap listening device for the baby's heart just save the core from a > roll of toilet paper. Put one end on the lower belly and the other on > hubby's ear. If you want to know your baby is doing well, count the > fetal movements in a day. Starting at 9 a.m. count each time the baby > kicks. There should be l0 distinct movements by 3 p.m. > > I think it's sad that some people will do anything to make a buck of the > huge pregnant market in North America. Please feel free to forward this > post on to any other lists. > > Gloria Lemay, Vancouver BC > Wise Woman Way of Birth Courses > http://www.birthlove.com/pages/wise_woman.html>>> > > ******** > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1751000/1751177.stm > > This made me wonder what ultrasound does to developing babies if it > can have such a drastic effect on a testicle. > > ****** > > http://www.mothering.com/11-0-0/html/11-2-0/prenatal-testing.shtml > Prenatal Testing and Informed Consent: Base Your Choices on the Evidence > By Peggy O'Mara > Issue 120, September/October 2003 > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 OK to share........ Sheri Here is a link to an interesting article entitled Ultrasound - weighing the propaganda against the facts. http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/ultrasound.asp http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/ultrasoundwagner.asp Ultrasound: More Harm than Good? It was written by the author of Ultrasound Unsound? http://www.whale.to/a/ultrasound_unsound.html I have seen other studies identifying negative side effects of ultrasounds. One in particular found that as little as 1 ultrasound could delay a child's speech by as much as 9 months. This study was done in Canada, not the US. Other findings have suggested that the increase in left-handedness among children who were scanned before birth is linked to the ultrasound, which would show that the scan does alter the brain in some way. In the US, keep in mind that medical equipment does not undergo the type of testing that a drug must go through to get on the market. The scans used today are more invasive than the earlier ones, so it will take a few more decades to really know the outcome. The recent generations of children who have been scanned are in fact the guinea pigs that will decide the safety of ultrasounds -- which have done nothing to lower childbirth death rates, but have sent the C-section rate dangerously high in the US. The article above points out that the doppler, used to detect heart tones on every prenatal visit unless you have a midwife (who uses a fetalscope), may cause even more damage than the ultrasound. - ******* This is straight from the journal " Epidemiology " (Dec 2001), and suggests that ultrasound is associated with mild brain damage. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/12/19/ultrasound.aspx Ultrasound Scans Linked to Brain Damage in Babies My boss, Dr. Mark Ellisman, is a world-renowned research scientist at UCSD who specializes in imaging technologies for the study of brain structure at the cellular level; he has personally found evidence of something called " cavitation " , which is the " rapid formation and collapse of vapor pockets " in fluid within tissue. When my wife and I became pregnant he warned me to keep the ultrasound as short as possible. He knows what he's talking about. Here's a relevant quote: " Free radical production in amniotic fluid and blood plasma by medical ultrasound, probably following gaseous cavitation, has been detected by Crum et al (1987). This provides a likely mechanism for the origin of the DNA damage. Because of these confirmations and a report by Ellisman et al (1987) that diagnostic levels of ultrasound may disrupt myelination in neonatal rats, the need for regulation, guidance, and properly controlled clinical studies is clear. " http://www.aimsusa.org/ultrasnd.htm ULTRASOUND IN OBSTETRICS: A QUESTION OF SAFETY Here's another useful link: http://www.alternamoms.com/ultrasound.html Ultrasound may change baby's cell growth So please don't consider this a benign procedure or an opportunity to get some pretty pictures. and *please* don't get an extra 3D ultrasound, which is a very long scan, to get the 3D picture of your baby. There is a real risk, and it's just not worth it. Do a Google search on " +ultrasound +cavitation " or " +ultrasound +Ellisman " and convince yourself. ******* http://www.mothering.com/11-0-0/html/11-2-0/ultrasound-risk.shtml Weighing the Risks: What You Should Know about Ultrasound By Buckley Issue 102, September/October 2000 Ultrasonography was originally developed during World War II to detect enemy submarines. Its use in medicine was pioneered in Glasgow, Scotland, by Dr. Ian , who first used ultrasound to look at abdominal tumors, and later babies in utero in the mid-1950s.1 The use of ultrasound in pregnancy spread quickly. In westernized healthcare systems, ultrasound, which may be offered to a pregnant woman either to investigate a possible problem at any stage of pregnancy or as a routine scan at around 18 weeks, has become almost universal in pregnancy. In Australia, where I live, 99 percent of pregnant women have at least one scan, paid for in part by our federal government, through Medicare. In fact, from 1997 to 1998 Medicare paid out AU$39 million for obstetric scans, compared to AU$54 million for all other obstetric Medicare costs. In the US, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology (ACOG) estimates that 60 to 70 percent of pregnant women are scanned, despite an official statement from ACOG that recommends against routine ultrasound.2 At a cost of roughly $300 per procedure, this represents a cost of approximately $70 to $80 million each year in the US. Besides routine scans, ultrasound can be prescribed to investigate problems such as bleeding in early pregnancy. Later in pregnancy, ultrasound can be used when a baby is not growing, or when breech or twin births are suspected. In such cases, the information gained from ultrasound can be very useful in decision-making, and generally most professionals support the use of ultrasound in this context. It is such use of routine prenatal ultrasound (RPU) that is more controversial, as this practice involves scanning all pregnant women in the hope of improving the outcome for some mothers and babies. RPU seeks to gain four main types of information: Estimated due date. Dating a pregnancy is most accurate at early stages, when babies vary the least in size. By contrast, at 18 to 20 weeks the expected date of delivery is only accurate to within a week either way. Some studies have suggested, however, that an early examination or a woman's own estimation of her due date can be as accurate as RPU.3,4 Unsuspected physical abnormalities. While many women are reassured by a normal scan, in fact RPU detects only between 17 percent and 85 percent of the one in 50 babies that have major abnormalities at birth.5,6 A recent study from Brisbane, Australia, showed that ultrasound at a major women's hospital missed about 40 percent of abnormalities, many of which are difficult or impossible to detect.7 The major causes of intellectual disability, such as cerebral palsy and Down syndrome, or heart and kidney abnormalities, are unlikely to be picked up on a routine scan. There is also a small chance that the diagnosis of an abnormality is false positive. In some instances, normal babies have been aborted because of false-positive diagnoses.8 A United Kingdom survey found that one in 200 babies aborted for major abnormalities were wrongly diagnosed.9 In addition to false positives, there are also uncertain cases in which the ultrasound image cannot be easily interpreted, and the outcome for the baby is not known. In one study involving babies at higher risk of abnormalities, almost 10 percent of scans were uncertain.10 This can create immense anxiety for the woman and her family that may not be allayed by the birth of a normal baby: in the same study, mothers with questionable diagnoses still had associated anxiety three months after the child's birth. Uncertain findings also lead to repeated and/or prolonged scans, increasing the expense, inconvenience, and dosage of ultrasound. In some cases of uncertainty, further tests such as amniocentesis are recommended. In such situations, there may be up to two weeks wait for results, during which time a mother must consider whether or not she will terminate the pregnancy if an abnormality is found. Even mothers who receive reassuring news have felt that this process has interfered with their relationship with their babies.11 Location of the placenta. A very low-lying placenta (placenta previa) puts mother and baby at risk of severe bleeding, and usually necessitates a cesarean section. However, 19 out of 20 women who have placenta previa detected on RPU will be needlessly worried, as the placenta will effectively move upwards as the pregnancy progresses.12 Furthermore, detection of placenta previa by RPU has not been found to be safer than detection in labor.13 Multiple fetuses. Ultrasound can detect the presence of more than one baby at an early stage of pregnancy, but this knowledge affords no documented health advantages for mother or babies, and, without RPU, almost all multiple pregnancies are discovered before birth.14 Why Are RPUs So Popular? Supporters of RPU argue that availability of ultrasonic information leads to better outcomes for mother and baby. While this seems logical, researchers have not found evidence of significant benefit from RPU, and the issue of the safety of ultrasound has not yet been resolved. From a research perspective, the most significant benefit of RPU is a small reduction in perinatal mortality, that is the number of babies dying around the time of birth. This is, however, merely a statistical reduction since perinatal mortality rates do not include deaths that occur before five to six months' gestation. Often when a baby is found to have a fatal abnormality on RPU, the pregnancy is terminated before this time, excluding the baby from perinatal statistics. RPU proponents presume that early diagnosis and termination is beneficial to women and their families. However, the discovery of a major abnormality on RPU can lead to very difficult decision-making. Some women who agree to have an ultrasound are unaware that they may get information about their baby that they do not want, as they would not contemplate a termination. Other women can feel pressured to have a termination, or at least feel some emotional distancing from their " abnormal " baby.15 Furthermore, there is no evidence that women who have chosen termination are, in the long term, psychologically better off than women whose babies have died at birth. In fact, there are suggestions that the reverse may be true in some cases.16 In choosing a possible stillbirth over a termination, women at least get social acknowledgment and support, and are able to grieve openly. Where termination has been chosen, women are unlikely to share their story with others and can experience considerable guilt and pain from the knowledge that they themselves chose the loss.17 Another purported benefit of RPU is a reduced risk of being induced for being " overdue, " because RPU dating gives a more certain estimated due date. However, there is no clear evidence that this is true, as the possibility of induction is more determined by hospital or doctor policy than by the availability of RPU.19 Many supporters of RPU claim that it's a pleasurable experience, and contributes to bonding between mother (and father, if he is present) and baby. While it is true that it can be exciting to get a first glimpse of one's baby in utero, there is no evidence that it helps attachment or encourages healthier behavior toward the baby.20 For most women, bonding occurs naturally when they begin to feel fetal movements at 16 to 20 weeks. Reasons for Concern Ultrasound waves are known to affect living tissues in at least two ways. First, the sonar beam heats the highlighted area by about 1°C (2°F). This is presumed to be insignificant, based on whole-body heating in pregnancy, which seems to be safe up to 2.5°C (5°F).21 The second effect is cavitation, where the small pockets of gas that exist within mammalian tissue vibrate and then collapse. In this situation " ...temperatures of many thousands of degrees Celsius in the gas create a wide range of chemical products, some of which are potentially toxic. " 22 The significance of cavitation in human tissue is unknown. A number of studies have suggested that these effects are of real concern in living tissues. The first study indicating problems analyzed cells grown in the lab. Cell abnormalities caused by exposure to ultrasound were seen to persist for several generations.23 Another study showed that, in newborn rats (who are at a similar stage of brain development as humans at four to five months in utero), ultrasound can damage the myelin that covers nerves,24 indicating that the nervous system may be particularly susceptible to damage from this technology. In 1999, an animal study by Brennan and colleagues, reported in New Scientist,25 showed that exposing mice to dosages typical of obstetric ultrasound caused a 22 percent reduction in the rate of cell division, and a doubling of the rate of cell death in the cells of the small intestine. Studies on humans exposed to ultrasound have shown possible adverse effects, including premature ovulation,26 preterm labor or miscarriage,27, 28 low birthweight,29 poorer condition at birth,30, 31 dyslexia,32 delayed speech development,33 and less right-handedness,34, 35 a factor which in some circumstances can be a marker of damage to the developing brain. In addition, one Australian study showed that babies exposed to five or more ultrasounds were 30 percent more likely to develop intrauterine growth retardation (IUGR)--a condition that ultrasound is often used to detect.36 Two long-term randomized controlled trials, comparing exposed and unexposed children's development at eight to nine years of age, found no measurable effect from ultrasound.37, 38 However, as the authors note, intensities used today are many times higher than in 1979 to 1981. A later report of one of these trials39 indicated that scanning time was only three minutes. More studies are obviously needed in this area, particularly in Doppler ultrasound, where exposure levels are much higher, and in vaginal ultrasound, where there is less tissue shielding the baby from the transducer. A further problem with studying ultrasound's effect is the huge range of output, or dose, possible from a single machine. Modern machines can give comparable ultrasound pictures using either a lower or a 5,000 times higher dose,40 and there are no standards to ensure that the lowest dose is used. Because of the complexity of machines, it is difficult to even quantify the dose given in each examination.41 In the US, as in Australia, training is voluntary (even for obstetricians), and the skill and experience of operators varies widely. In all the research done on ultrasound, there has been very little interest in women's opinions of RPU, and the consequences of universal scanning for women's experience of pregnancy. In her thoughtful book on prenatal diagnosis, The Tentative Pregnancy,42 Barbara Katz Rothman suggests that the large numbers of screening tests currently being offered to check for abnormalities makes every pregnancy tentative until reassuring results come back. Ultrasound is not compulsory, and I suggest that each woman consider the risks, benefits, and implications of scanning for her own particular situation. If you decide to have a scan, be clear about the information that you do and do not want to be told. Have your scan done by an operator with a high level of skill and experience (usually this means performing at least 750 scans per year) and say that you want the shortest scan possible. If an abnormality is found, ask for counseling and a second opinion as soon as practical. And remember, it's your baby and your choice. Notes 1. Ann Oakley, " The History of Ultrasonography in Obstetrics, " Birth 13, no. 1 (1986): 8-13. 2. American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, " Routine Ultrasound in Low-Risk Pregnancy, ACOG Practice Patterns: Evidence-Based Guidelines for Clinical Issues, " Obstetrics and Gynecology 5 (August 1997). 3. O. Olsen et al., " Routine Ultrasound Dating Has Not Been Shown to Be More Accurate Than the Calendar Method, " Br J Obstet Gynaecol 104, no. 11 (1997): 1221-1222. 4. H. Kieler, O. Axelsson, S. Nilsson, and U. Waldenstrom, " Comparison of Ultrasonic Measurement of Biparietal Diameter and Last Menstrual Period as a Predictor of Day of Delivery in Women with Regular 28-Day Cycles, " Acta-Obstet-Gynecol-Scand 75, no. 5 (1993): 347-349. 5. B. G. Ewigman, J. P. Crane, F. D. Frigoletto et al., " Effect of Prenatal Ultrasound Screening on Perinatal Outcome, " N Engl J Med 329, no. 12 (1993): 821-827. 6. C. A. Luck, " Value of Routine Ultrasound Scanning at 19 Weeks: A Four Year Study of 8849 Deliveries, " British Medical Journal 34, no. 6840 (1992): 1474-1478. 7. F. Y. Chan, " Limitations of Ultrasound, " paper presented at Perinatal Society of Australia and New Zealand 1st Annual Congress, Freemantle, 1997. 8. AIMS UK, " Ultrasound Unsound?, " AIMS UK Journal 5, no. 1 (Spring 1993). 9. I. R. Brand, P. Kaminopetros, M. Cave et al., " Specificity of Antenatal Ultrasound in the Yorkshire Region: A Prospective Study of 2261 Ultrasound Detected Anomalies, " Br J Obstet Gynaecal 101, no. 5 (1994): 392-397. 10. J. W. Sparling, J. W. Seeds, and D. C. Farran, " The Relationship of Obstetric Ultrasound to Parent and Infant Behavior, " Obstet Gynecol 72, no. 6 (1988): 902-907. 11. A. s, " Women's Experience of Routine Prenatal Ultrasound, " Healthsharing Women: The Newsletter of Healthsharing Women's Health Resource Service (Melbourne, Australia) 5, no.s 3, 4 (December 1994-March 1995). 12. MIDIRS, Informed Choice for Professionals, Ultrasound Screening in the First Half of Pregnancy: Is It Useful for Everyone? (UK: MIDIRS and the NHS Centre for Reviews and Dissemination, 1996). 13. A. Saari-Kemppainen, O. Karjalainen, P. Ylostalo et al., " Ultrasound Screening and Perinatal Mortality: Controlled Trial of Systematic One-stage Screening in Pregnancy, " The Lancet 336, no. 8712 (1990): 387-391. 14. See Note 12. 15. See Note 11. 16. D. Watkins, " An Alternative to Termination of Pregnancy, " The Practitioner 233, no. 1472 (1989): 990, 992. 17. See Note 12. 18. Ibid. 19. Ibid. 20. Ibid. 21. " American Institute of Ultrasound Medicine Bioeffects Report 1988, " J Ultrasound Med 7 (September 1988): S1-S38. 22. Ibid. 23. D. Liebeskind, R. Bases, F. Elequin et al., " Diagnostic Ultrasound: Effects on the DNA and Growth Patterns of Animal Cells, " Radiology 131, no. 1 (1979): 177-184. 24. M. H. Ellisman, D. E. Palmer, and M. P. Andre, " Diagnostic Levels of Ultrasound May Disrupt Myelination, " Experimental Neurology 98, no. 1 (1987): 78-92. 25. Brennan et al., " Shadow of Doubt, " New Scientist 12 (June 1999): 23. 26. J. Testart, A. Thebalt, E. Souderis, and R. Frydman, " Premature Ovulation after Ovarian Ultrasonography, " Br J Obstet Gynaecol 89, no. 9 (1982): 694-700. 27. See Note 13. 28. R. P. Lorenz, C. H. Comstock, S. F. Bottoms, and S. R. Marx, " Randomised Prospective Trial Comparing Ultrasonography and Pelvic Examination for Preterm Labor Surveillance, " Am J Obstet Gynecol 162, no. 6 (1990): 1603-1610. 29. J. Newnham, S. F. , C. A. et al., " Effects of Frequent Ultrasound During Pregnancy: A Randomised Controlled Trial, " The Lancet 342, no. 8876 (1993): 887-891. 30. S. B. Thacker, " The Case of Imaging Ultrasound in Obstetrics: A Review, " Br J Obstet Gynaecol 92, no. 5 (1985): 437-444. 31. J. P. Newnham et al., " Doppler Flow Velocity Wave Form Analysis in High Risk Pregnancies: A Randomised Controlled Trial, " Br J Obstet Gynaecol 98, no. 10 (1991): 956-963. 32. C. R. Stark, M. Orleans, A. D. Havercamp et al., " Short and Long Term Risks after Exposure to Diagnostic Ultrasound in Utero, " Obstet Gynecol 63 (1984): 194-200. 33. J. D. et al., " Case-control Study of Prenatal Ultrasonography in Children with Delayed Speech, " Can Med Ass J 149, no. 10 (1993): 1435- 1440. 34. K. A. Salvesen, L. J. Vatten, S. H. Eik-nes et al., " Routine Ultrasonography in Utero and Subsequent Handedness and Neurological Development, " British Medical Journal 307, no. 6897 (1993) 159-164. 35. H. Kieler, O. Axelsson, B. Haguland et al., " Routine Ultrasound Screening in Pregnancy and the Children's Subsequent Handedness, " Early Human Development 50, no. 2 (1998): 233-245. 36. See Note 31. 37. K. A. Salvesen, L. S. Bakketeig, S. H. Eik-nes et al., " Routine Ultrasonography in Utero and School Performance at Age 8-9 Years, " The Lancet 339, no. 8785 (1992):85-89. 38. H. Kieler, G. Ahlsten, B. Haguland et al., " Routine Ultrasound Screening in Pregnancy and the Children's Subsequent Neurological Development, " Obstet Gynecol 91, no. 5 (1998): 750-756. 39. See Note 37. 40. H. B. Meire, " The Safety of Diagnostic Ultrasound, " Br J Obstet Gynaecol 94 (1987): 1121-1122. 41. K. J. W. , " A Prudent Approach to Ultrasound Imaging of the Fetus and Newborn, " Birth 17, no. 4 (1990): 218-223. 42. Barbara Katz Rothman, The Tentative Pregnancy: How Amniocentesis Changes the Experience of Motherhood (New York: W. W. Norton, 1993). For more information on ultrasound, see the following articles in past issues of Mothering: " Ultrasound: More Harm Than Good? " no. 77; " The Trouble with Ultrasound, " no. 57; " How Sound Is Ultrasound? " no. 34; " Ultrasound, " no. 24; and " Diagnostic Ultrasound, " no. 19. Buckley (40) is a New Zealand-trained GP (family MD), and still in training as partner to . Mother of Emma (9), Zoe (6), and (4), she is currently expecting her fourth baby and lives in Brisbane, Australia, where she writes about pregnancy, birth, and parenting. http://www.vaclib.org/basic/ultrasound.htm another collection of articles ******** http://www.faeriefaith.net/NaturalBirth/handouts/class3-ultrasound.pdf Shadow of a doubt by Rob ULTRASOUND SCANS can stop cells from dividing and make them commit suicide. A research team in Ireland say this is the first evidence that routine scans, which have let doctors peek at fetuses and internal organs for the past 40 years, affect the normal cell cycle. A team led by Brennan of University College Dublin gave 12 mice an 8-megahertz scan lasting for 15 minutes. Hospital scans, which reflect inaudible sound waves off soft tissue to produce images on a monitor, use frequencies of between 3 and 10 megahertz and can last for up to an hour The researchers detected two significant changes in the cells of the small intestine in scanned mice compared to the mice that hadn't been scanned. Four and a half hours after exposure, there was a 22 per cent reduction in the rate of cell division, while the rate of programmed cell death or " apoptosis " had approximately doubled. Brennan believes there will be similar effects in humans. " It has been assumed for a long time that ultrasound has no effect on cells, " he says. " We now have grounds to question that assumption. " Brennan stresses, however, that the implications for human health are uncertain. " There are changes happening, but we couldn't say whether they are harmful or harmless, " he explains. The intestine is a very adaptable organ that can compensate for alterations in the cell cycle, says Brennan. It is possible that the sound waves damage the DNA in cells, delaying cell division and repair. Brennan suggests that ultrasound might be switching on the p53 gene which controls cell deaths. This gene, dubbed " the guardian of the genome " , produces a protein that helps cells recognise DNA damage and then either self-destruct or stop dividing. Studies in the early 1990s by researchers at the University of Rochester in New York and the Batelle Pacific Northwest Laboratories in Richland, Washington, showed that tissue heating due to ultrasound can cause bleeding in mouse intestines. Ultrasonographers now tune the power of scans to reduce such heating. But Brennan's work is the first evidence that scans create changes in cells. " Our results are preliminary and need further investigation, " he says. The team presented their results at the Radiology 1999 conference in Birmingham last month and are now preparing them for submission to a peer-reviewed journal. Elliott, a researcher in clinical physics at the University of Glasgow, thinks that Brennan's results are important and should be followed with further studies. " If the conditions of his experiments really compare to the clinical use of ultrasound, " he says, " we may have to review the current safety limits. " >From New Scientist, 12 June 1999 ******* Here are some excerpts about ultrasound from " What Doctors Don't Tell You " by Lynne McTaggart. " No well controlled study has yet proved that routine scanning of prenatal patients will improve the outcome of pregnancy " - official statement from American College of Obstetrics & Gynecology in 1984 Some studies show that, with ultrasound, you are more likely to lose your baby. A study from Queen Charlotte's and Chelsea Hospital in London found that women having doppler ultrasound were more likely to lose their babies than those who received only standard neonatal care (17 deaths to 7). A Norwegian study of 2,000 babies found that those subjected to routine ultrasound scanning were 30% more likely to be left-handed than those sho weren't scanned. An Australian study demonstraates that frequent scans increased the proportion of growth-restricted babies by a third, resulting in a higher number of small babies. Exposure to ultrasound also caused delayed speech, according to Canadian researcher Professor . The International Childbirth Education Association has maintained that ultrasound is most likely to affect development (behavioral & neurological), blood cells, the immune system, & a child's genetic makeup. Besides the safety issue, there are considerable questions about accuracy. There is a significant chance that your scan will indicate a problem when there isn't one, or fail to pick up aa problem actually there. One study found a " high rate " of false positives, 17% of the pregnant women scanned were shown to have small-for-dates babies, when only 6% actually did - an error rate of nearly one out of three. Another study from Harvard showed that among 3,100 scans, 18 babies were erroneously labeled abnormal, and 17 fetuses with problems were missed. ******** this is from another list... <<<According to Anne Frye, midwife and author of " Understanding Lab Work in the Childbearing Year " (4th Ed.)p. 405 Doppler Devices: Many women do not realize that doppler fetoscopes are ultrasound devices. (apparently, neither do many care providers. Time after time, women are assured by doctors and even some nurse midwives that a doppler is not an ultrasound device.) . . . . Not well publicized for obvious reasons, doppler devices expose the fetus to more powerful ultrasound than real time (imaging) ultrasound exams. One minute of doppler exposure is equal to 35 minutes of real time ultrasound. This is an important point for women to consider when deciding between an ultrasound exam and listening with a doppler to determine viability in early pregnancy. . . . . If you have a doppler, put it aside and make a concerted effort to learn to listen yourself! Save your doppler for those rare occasions when you cannot hear the heart rate late into pushing or to further investigate suspected fetal death. " copyright l990, Anne Frye, B.H. Holistic Midwifery. Personally, after 23 years of attending births, I would not permit a doppler in my house if I were pregnant. You always know that something is ultrasound because there will be " jelly " involved. If you want a cheap listening device for the baby's heart just save the core from a roll of toilet paper. Put one end on the lower belly and the other on hubby's ear. If you want to know your baby is doing well, count the fetal movements in a day. Starting at 9 a.m. count each time the baby kicks. There should be l0 distinct movements by 3 p.m. I think it's sad that some people will do anything to make a buck of the huge pregnant market in North America. Please feel free to forward this post on to any other lists. Gloria Lemay, Vancouver BC Wise Woman Way of Birth Courses http://www.birthlove.com/pages/wise_woman.html ******** http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1751000/1751177.stm This made me wonder what ultrasound does to developing babies if it can have such a drastic effect on a testicle. ****** http://www.mothering.com/11-0-0/html/11-2-0/prenatal-testing.shtml Prenatal Testing and Informed Consent: Base Your Choices on the Evidence By Peggy O'Mara Issue 120, September/October 2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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