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Hi all -

I am reading through the Body for Life book now - I am past the important

stuff - what I need to do, etc.

To give you all a little background information . . . I am 25 years old,

5'6 " , and have been ranging from 140-143, depending on the time of the

month. My body fat percentage (I have one of those Tanita body fat monitor

scales) is 28.6% (I measured that in the morning, and they tell you to

measure at night). My evening body fat percentage was 26%. My major goal

in doing this program is to lose the last ten pounds, and have all of those

pounds be fat. In other words, I want to decrease my body fat.

I start Monday the 4th. I am very excited, a little stressed as to whether

or not I am clear on the exact principles.

Let me explain. I have some questions, and maybe you all can help, since

you have been through this!

First, I noticed in the chart of authorized foods in the book, there are no

(healthy) oils or other things listed, but later on in the example menus,

there are things such as 1/2 T of low-fat cheese, 3 T of milk, 2 T of

cranberry sauce. Also, things like strawberries and limeaid concentrate

added to the shakes. So here is my question - how much freedom do we have

in adding the little things that make eating the other stuff bearable. For

example, do I have to eat my whole wheat toast dry, or can I add a

tablespoon of sugar-free fruit jam? You get my question? If anyone has

ANY ideas about this, please let me know.

In the past, I have been on a strict eating plan - set up by myself, where

I record everything I eat (down to 1 T of jelly) and record it in a

computer program, so I worry about the extras, and this is why I am

concerned about this.

Second, about the exercise. The scale of 1-10 worries me a little, in the

fact that when I am starting out, how do I know I am at a 5 or a 6 or a 7,

etc. Does this come from experience. Can I use my heart rate to help me

assess this? Do anybody have any advice.

I got 8 weeks of my supplements delivered in the mail today. I ordered

them from vitamins.com and got a large discount, which is really really

helpful to me. I just got done with grad school and bought a new car. I

have a new job so I can pay for this, but I still have these big monthly

payments. To tell you all the truth (and I am sure that there are some EAS

company people out there), I was thinking about doing the program without

the supplements (using energy bars on the market as substitutes, cause I

couldn't afford the supplements). But the reduced rate at vitamins.com

helped me out A LOT!

I am taking these last couple days " off " before the program to relax. I

have a wedding to go to tomorrow, so I am relaxing, and getting set for a

high-intensity effort on my part.

Please, if anyone has any advice or ideas, let me know and I will be

endowed to you forever! LOL!

I am the type to ask a lot of questions, so I will probably have more.

Thanks!!!!!

Flath

[Guest guest]

,

An easy way to know if you are hitting those '10's is to lift a weight that

you can do 12 reps comfortably. Then try a little heavier weight and lift

for 10 times. Keep lifting a little heavier for 8 times then 6. Then go

back to your original weight you started with and lift until your muscles

scream. THAT is your 10.

~Laury

[Guest guest]

Hi a, Glad to have you with us as a newer member! Welcome aboard!

[Guest guest]

Welcome a. Glad to have you here.

I'm helping to organize the event. Egroups is weird like that with

chopping email addresses in posts. I apologize for that. It will be

better and different when Egroups switches to the format.

The domain is " aol.com " or America Online. " MuscleChic2001 " is the

user name for that. Hope to see you there.

-

> I've been lurking for awhile on this group and another group. I

> really like reading the posts. I've learned so much in addition to

> reading Body for Life. Just felt like making my presence known.

>

> I would like to go to the Orlando Fitness event. Maybe I'll meet

some

> of you there. I'm having problems with the contact email. When it's

> posted, I get the user name but not the domain name after the " @ "

> symbol. For whatever reason the egroups server doesn't like domain

> name competition or something. The other group was of no help with

> this problem. Can you help me? Just tell me the domain name without

> posting the user name of the email address. Am I making sense?

Thank

> you.

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb! And welcome to the group!

Though I have to run seconds from now, I can offer a lead with regard to one

of your questions.

It really helps to check out the Authorized Recipes at www.bodyforlife.com to

get an idea about spices and sauces that are acceptable. My wife uses spices

and sauces (and is a *terrific* cook, making the BFL meals taste

*spectacular*! :-) ). But it isn't quite " anything goes, " as some sauces, for

example, contain ingredients and calories beyond what would be authorized.

I hope my rushed answer helps, and that someone, perhaps even I, will get

around to answering your other questions, soon!

More power to you in achieving your transformation!

---

FMBC: Fitness and the Mind-Body Connection

an unofficial Transformation Support site

and " on ramp " for Body-for-LIFE

by and Cherita Axel

http://fitmind.home.mindspring.com

[Guest guest]

Welcome to all the new people!

Barbara, if you are looking for an energy bar that is " authorized " , look for one with balanced carbs and protein. Another option is to get a high protein bar and add a carb to it such as a piece of fruit. Do remember to keep the calories at a reasonable level, though. Some of those bars have almost 300 calories and if you add a banana, you'd up it to over 400 calories which would probably be too much for a meal for you.

As for spices, sauces and any other foods that are not in the book, I bought a book that has food counts for name brand and generic foods. It shows the calories, protein, carbs and fat for each food. On the Hussman site, it says to keep the breakdown at about 40% protein, 40% carbs and 20% fats so I use that book for foods I'm not sure of. According to the book, grapefruit is a great...1/2 cup has 37 calories, 1 gram protein, 9 grams carbs and only a trace of fat. I think I'm going to buy some today!

Hope this helps!

Sara

I'm new

Good morning everyone.

My name is Barb and my husband, Jim, and are on day 1 of week 2. I just wanted to let everyone know that I have been reading the posts for a couple of weeks now, kind of getting the feel of things.

I had a really bad first week, had to go in and get an emergency root canal... and was in bed for practically 3 days. Anyway, according to the scales, I still lost 2 lbs, better than nothing. Jim has lost over 6 lbs his first week. He is also in a contest at his job with several other people to see who can loose the most percentage of weight, this is for money, so he is doubly motivated.

Anyway, thanks for all of the good information and I could also use some great recipes and I have a few questions.

Are there any kinds of energy bars or anything that you can buy at a regular store that would be equal to the Myoplex?

What about spices and sauces, I can't find where it really says about that in the book. How much if any can you use?

What about grapefruits, grapes, and other fruits that aren't on the list? Can you eat those as well?

Thanks and have a great day

Barb

[Guest guest]

Another good, easy, cheap, reliable way to track fat loss is to use a measuring tape. It's quite inspiring to watch those inches melt away!

Sara

[Guest guest]

Separately I've sent a link for www.bodytrends.com for digital calipers and instructions. I've used the services of the trainers in my gym to measure in the past. I'm now going to get a digital caliper to track my own progress more regularly. For $46 plus shipping, the price is right and it self calibrates each time you use it. Kit

[Guest guest]

Barb,

>Are there any kinds of energy bars or anything that you can buy at a regular store that would be equal to the Myoplex?>

You can buy the Simply Protein Bars (EAS AdvantEdge line) at WalMart or Albertson's. They are not "equal" to Myoplex, but they are an alternative.

<What about spices and sauces, I can't find where it really says about that in the book. How much if any can you use?>

I use ketchup(sparingly) and you can use just about any spice as long as it doesn't have too much salt in it. Stay away from cheese sauces. Salsa is a good option.

<What about grapefruits, grapes, and other fruits that aren't on the list? Can you eat those as well?<

I don't know about grapefruit, but I know grapes are very high glycemic. I don't eat either of them.

Congratulations on accepting the challenge and sorry to hear about your root canal. Being a Certified Dental Assistant, I have empathy for you. They are not fun to have done when you are already in pain. Hope you are feeling better.

Cheryl C.

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Hello there:

My name is (another , too!). I have a son with severe OCD, mild TS and rage. is 11. Also have 2 other sons (8 -- no apparent problems) and 14 (clothing sensitivity when he was younger). I was referred to this group by the TS parents group to which I belong. I have been reading your posts for the past 10 days to get a sense of you before I posted. I am very happy to join the group, as I see that your issues are so similar to mine! was diagnosed with OCD about 18 months ago. He did not have any signs of any problem before that -- although he has always been a high energy (yet calm) boy. We are all suffering very badly from his OCD. We have just been through a trial of reducing medication to try to reduce mania that was associated with 150mg/day of Zoloft. That was a disaster -- OCD came back worse than ever before. Court missed about a month of school and was really only free of symptoms when he was roaming the streets or at a friend's house. We put the Zoloft back to the high dose and added some Risperdal -- so far so good. Unfortunately, much damage was done to family relationships during month with a lower dose of Zoloft.

also started wetting his bed a few months ago. I wonder if it is the Zoloft, or perhaps an OCD symptom. Before that, he was never a bed wetter. He can control it a bit, because he doesn't wet (or just wets a bit) if he sleeps at a friend's house. We are going to try rewards to see if that will help him. He's going on a 2-week wilderness canoe trip in a week's time -- wetting could be embarrassing for him.

About the clothing sensitivity that some of you have been discussing -- my older son (14) had a terrible time with tags, fabrics, etc. when he was 2-6 years old. He flatly refused to wear socks and underwear for about a year (cause for major concern at school!). At that point, I'd never heard of OCD or any sensitivity disorders. We fought, we cajoled, we encouraged... finally, we forgot about it. He wore the same things every day until they wore out, then we had a couple of rough days while he got used to the next things. My advice, in retrospect -- try not to pay attention to it. And only but one thing at a time. I really liked the suggestion one of you made about buying the same thing in larger sizes. Our experience was that the kids get feedback at school or from friends if they think its weird. I know the issue is still there -- but it is really not a big deal any more. I see that my youngest son (8) is very attached to some clothes, too -- it's not a life/death issue for him though, so maybe we will be lucky!

Anyway, we have some real problems with at school -- he won't go many days, and gets into some sort of trouble most days. We are working on an education plan for next year that will allow him to reduce the amount of work (especially writing -- a major phobia and difficulty). is a bright boy, with friends and a really great spirit. OCD turns him into a dangerous monster -- violent, rude, and suicidal. Before OCD he was one of the top swimmers in Ontario in his age group, was loved by his teachers and had a great life. Now he won't swim, has put on 20 lbs or more, and is a much less relaxed and happy boy. Because of his resourcefulness and his great spirit, I am very hopeful for him. We plan to start CBT again in the fall -- he needs to get stabilized on the meds again. We are having a very good week -- much deserved after a month of sheer hell! I won't blab on any more now. It is a pleasure to part of the group -- as well all know, it is so wonderful to know that others out there know what you are going through. Nobody could imagine it in their wildest dreams!

Take care -- (in Ontario)

Re: Bed wetting

Amy:

My son (9 yo) has bed wetting problems too. When he was on Luvox and Risperdal he wet the bed every night, or close to it. When the Luvox pooped out and we changed meds he no longer had a wet bet. Now all of the sudden, just this week, he's wetting the bed again. I don't know what to think. He's been on the same meds for several months. Sometimes I wonder if they're sleeping so hard they don't know to wake up. But then again, it seems like he loses control of his bladder for no reason other than the meds. or the combination of them. It was recommended from our pdoc to use one of those alarms, but he sleeps so hard he wouldn't wake up (plus, if I remember right they are expensive).

Well, this is what I know from my experience, but since we're in " it " again I'd like to now of any suggestions, too.

Take care

Tamra (ocdmom2001)

Re: Bed wetting

My son, 6 yrs old, also still has bed wetting problems at night. Although my pediatrician has suggested that we start addressing the problem by buying an incontinence alarm, the psychiatrist thinks it is too big of an issue to start working on yet! What I take that to mean is that he needs more therapy and a longer time with meds on board. I never thought about the connection between OCD and bedwetting before. I am srry to hear other kids on this list have problems with it too...but again its nice to know we arent alone.Amy in ohio_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.comYou may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. You may subscribe to the Parents of Adults with OCD List at parentsofadultswithOCD-subscribe . You may subscribe to the OCD and Homeschooling List at ocdandhomeschooling-subscribe . You may change your subscription format or access the files, bookmarks, and archives for our list at . Our list advisors are Tamar Chansky, Ph.D., Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., and Dan Geller, M.D. Our list moderators are Birkhan, Kathy Hammes, Jule Monnens, Gail Pesses, Kathy , and Jackie Stout. Subscription issues or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at lharkins@... .

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Hi and welcome,

I'm fairly new here. In fact my two girls (oldest of 5) are not

diagnosed yet but I have done alot of research, reviewed my own

family history as well, plus reading all the posts and info here

tells me that their anxiety symptoms are similar to ocd or ocd

spectrum disorders. My oldest daughter (12) also started missing

school weekly the 2nd half of the year. I am looking for the right

doctor now, and dealing with the many symptoms in the meantime.

Grace

> Hello there:

>

> My name is (another , too!). I have a son with

severe OCD, mild TS and rage. is 11. Also have 2 other

sons (8 -- no apparent problems) and 14 (clothing sensitivity when he

was younger). I was referred to this group by the TS parents group

to which I belong. I have been reading your posts for the past 10

days to get a sense of you before I posted. I am very happy to join

the group, as I see that your issues are so similar to mine!

was diagnosed with OCD about 18 months ago. He did not have

any signs of any problem before that -- although he has always been a

high energy (yet calm) boy. We are all suffering very badly from his

OCD. We have just been through a trial of reducing medication to try

to reduce mania that was associated with 150mg/day of Zoloft. That

was a disaster -- OCD came back worse than ever before. Court missed

about a month of school and was really only free of symptoms when he

was roaming the streets or at a friend's house. We put the Zoloft

back to the high dose and added some Risperdal -- so far so good.

Unfortunately, much damage was done to family relationships during

month with a lower dose of Zoloft.

>

> also started wetting his bed a few months ago. I wonder

if it is the Zoloft, or perhaps an OCD symptom. Before that, he was

never a bed wetter. He can control it a bit, because he doesn't wet

(or just wets a bit) if he sleeps at a friend's house. We are going

to try rewards to see if that will help him. He's going on a 2-week

wilderness canoe trip in a week's time -- wetting could be

embarrassing for him.

>

> About the clothing sensitivity that some of you have been

discussing -- my older son (14) had a terrible time with tags,

fabrics, etc. when he was 2-6 years old. He flatly refused to wear

socks and underwear for about a year (cause for major concern at

school!). At that point, I'd never heard of OCD or any sensitivity

disorders. We fought, we cajoled, we encouraged... finally, we

forgot about it. He wore the same things every day until they wore

out, then we had a couple of rough days while he got used to the next

things. My advice, in retrospect -- try not to pay attention to it.

And only but one thing at a time. I really liked the suggestion one

of you made about buying the same thing in larger sizes. Our

experience was that the kids get feedback at school or from friends

if they think its weird. I know the issue is still there -- but it is

really not a big deal any more. I see that my youngest son (8) is

very attached to some clothes, too -- it's not a life/death issue for

him though, so maybe we will be lucky!

>

> Anyway, we have some real problems with at school -- he

won't go many days, and gets into some sort of trouble most days. We

are working on an education plan for next year that will allow him to

reduce the amount of work (especially writing -- a major phobia and

difficulty). is a bright boy, with friends and a really

great spirit. OCD turns him into a dangerous monster -- violent,

rude, and suicidal. Before OCD he was one of the top swimmers in

Ontario in his age group, was loved by his teachers and had a great

life. Now he won't swim, has put on 20 lbs or more, and is a much

less relaxed and happy boy. Because of his resourcefulness and his

great spirit, I am very hopeful for him. We plan to start CBT again

in the fall -- he needs to get stabilized on the meds again. We are

having a very good week -- much deserved after a month of sheer

hell! I won't blab on any more now. It is a pleasure to part of the

group -- as well all know, it is so wonderful to know that others out

there know what you are going through. Nobody could imagine it in

their wildest dreams!

>

> Take care -- (in Ontario)

> Re: Bed wetting

>

>

> Amy:

>

> My son (9 yo) has bed wetting problems too. When he was on Luvox

and Risperdal he wet the bed every night, or close to it. When the

Luvox pooped out and we changed meds he no longer had a wet bet. Now

all of the sudden, just this week, he's wetting the bed again. I

don't know what to think. He's been on the same meds for several

months. Sometimes I wonder if they're sleeping so hard they don't

know to wake up. But then again, it seems like he loses control of

his bladder for no reason other than the meds. or the combination of

them. It was recommended from our pdoc to use one of those alarms,

but he sleeps so hard he wouldn't wake up (plus, if I remember right

they are expensive).

>

> Well, this is what I know from my experience, but since we're

in " it " again I'd like to now of any suggestions, too.

>

> Take care

>

> Tamra (ocdmom2001)

>

> Re: Bed wetting

>

>

> My son, 6 yrs old, also still has bed wetting problems at

night. Although my

> pediatrician has suggested that we start addressing the problem

by buying an

> incontinence alarm, the psychiatrist thinks it is too big of an

issue to

> start working on yet! What I take that to mean is that he needs

more therapy

> and a longer time with meds on board. I never thought about the

connection

> between OCD and bedwetting before. I am srry to hear other kids

on this list

> have problems with it too...but again its nice to know we arent

alone.

>

> Amy in ohio

>

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[Guest guest]

hi Betsy,

i'm karyn and new to this group too.i live in

Queensland Australia with my 4 little people who are

the light of my life.

goodluck on tuesday

*hugz*

karyn and the silent princess le

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In a message dated 1/4/02 12:41:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tracilmoses@... writes:

> Are your kids more social than typical kids with autism?

> I have heard that kids with the dual diagnosis are generally more

> social, and that this sometimes interferes with getting a diagnosis of

> ASD.

>

>

Hi Traci,

Welcome to the group!!! My daughter Madison is our fifth child, 8 years

old, has DS, autism, GERD, hypothyroidism and pica. She is also a total

cutie petutie (you can see her in Joan's Disability Solutions Issue on

Ds/autism---that site along with other photos of list members and their

families can be found on the DS/aut web page)!! Maddie was dx'd by Dr.

Capone at KKI at s Hopkins at the age of 5, although we knew she had

autism at it's onset (age 2). In answer to your question, yes, typically

kids with this dual dx are more social (however, that's not the case with our

daughter).

You will find this group to be 100% supportive, non-judgemental, and

totally empathetic to almost everything you're going through!! But most of

all, we have a lot of fun with each other; after all, laughter mends the

heart and soul!!

Donna Duffey

[Guest guest]

Hi Traci,

Welcome to our group. We just had Brook diagnosed last month and the Dr.

did note that he was more social than other kids with only autism. Brook is

11 years old, almost 12years and we are trying some meds to see if we can

control some of his obsessive water spraying activities. He also has a

seizure disorder, had surgery for gastroesophageal reflux disease and sure he

eats things like dirt and the cotton fluff out of the back of the couch when

he can get it! Food on the other hand he doesn't like that much. I haven't

tried any special diets with Brook, but we have had behavior therapy on 3

different occasions, physcial therapy, occupational therapy, speech therapy,

senosory integration therapy, cranial sacral therapy, etc.

Marisa

Mom to Miles 15, Brook 11 and Genevieve 4

[Guest guest]

Hi Traci,

Welcome to this group...I don't often write but I sure do read all the messages

and have learned so much. We have 4 children...my youngest is , he is 7

and has DS and autism. He was diagnosed with autism about a year ago but we

suspected it much earlier than when he was formally diagnosed. In answer to

your questions, we have Nick on the GFCF diet and have seen many positive

results...some may be a result of a spurt in development but we really attribute

most of the changes to the diet. Nick really spent a great deal of time in his

own world prior to beginning the diet...at least 95% of the time now he is

interactive and very connected to us and to what is happening around him.

Improvement in eye contact, speech, receptive language, variety of interests and

a decrease in his sensory defensiveness are all things that we have seen since

we began the diet in the spring. His test for celiac was normal but we tried the

diet since it was an intervention we could try easily and with no side affects.

Nick's diet has always been very limited (Nick has a feeding disorder and he

will only tolerate a very few things). Before we started the GFCF diet, Nick's

diet was largely wheat and dairy so we figured the diet was worth a shot. Yes,

Nick is pretty social...very affectionate but he is able to tune people right

out. He also does not play interactively with other children except with his 10

year old sister and sometimes at school. Videos are really his thing!

I hope this helps and I hope you enjoy the group.

Cheri

I'm New

Hi, I'm Traci, and I just found this group. I am so excited that

there is a list for the dual diagnosis! I have not yet gotten a

formal diagnosis for PDD, I'm still filling out the 60 page survey

before I can even get an appointment with the developmental

pediatrician! I am fairly confident, however, and so is my regular

pediatritian, that my son Garrett, age 3, has PDD. I just started him

on a gluten free, casien free diet yesterday. Are any of y'all trying

this diet? If so, have you seen any results? Also I have One more

question... Are your kids more social than typical kids with autism?

I have heard that kids with the dual diagnosis are generally more

social, and that this sometimes interferes with getting a diagnosis of

ASD.

Thanks for listening,

Traci (mom of four children: -10, Kaleb-5.5, McKaylah-4, and

Garrett-3 and DS,probable PDD)

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[Guest guest]

What's ccranial sacral therapy and senosory

integeration therapy?

therapy, occupational

> therapy, speech therapy,

> senosory integration therapy, cranial sacral

> therapy, etc.

>

>

> Marisa

> Mom to Miles 15, Brook 11 and Genevieve 4

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[Guest guest]

wlecome traci, id have to say my nathan (10yrs w/ds,

autism, add/hd, ocd) is more antisocial than any with

just down syndrome---this is one of his identifying

autistic characteristics, he often even ignores his

own family---parallel family uuugh. shawna.

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shawna

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Cranial sacral therapy is something that Brook's physical therapist does

with him sometimes. It's hard to explain, but she is trying to bring balance

to his system. I don't know if it works, but some people really feel that it

does.

Marisa

Mom to Miles 15, Brook 11 and Genevieve 4

[Guest guest]

oh okay, if it works good.

--- poggim@... wrote:

> Hi ,

> Cranial sacral therapy is something that Brook's

> physical therapist does

> with him sometimes. It's hard to explain, but she is

> trying to bring balance

> to his system. I don't know if it works, but some

> people really feel that it

> does.

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Traci, welcome to the group

Sophie

I'm New

> Hi, I'm Traci, and I just found this group. I am so excited that

> there is a list for the dual diagnosis! I have not yet gotten a

> formal diagnosis for PDD, I'm still filling out the 60 page survey

> before I can even get an appointment with the developmental

> pediatrician! I am fairly confident, however, and so is my regular

> pediatritian, that my son Garrett, age 3, has PDD. I just started him

> on a gluten free, casien free diet yesterday. Are any of y'all trying

> this diet? If so, have you seen any results? Also I have One more

> question... Are your kids more social than typical kids with autism?

> I have heard that kids with the dual diagnosis are generally more

> social, and that this sometimes interferes with getting a diagnosis of

> ASD.

>

> Thanks for listening,

>

> Traci (mom of four children: -10, Kaleb-5.5, McKaylah-4, and

> Garrett-3 and DS,probable PDD)

>

>

>

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Hi:

I'm new too. Our son 26 is a loner too. Just stay in his face and force him

to respond. I believe our Kent talks very plainly because I forced him to

talk. One doctor said I pushed him. Maybe so but the speech benefited. We

also use lots of videos and a CD player, boom box (with headphones). I

believe that he gets a lot of stimulation through his ears and the cheek

bones. Sometimes I see him with the ear phones on his cheeks. He is really

getting something out of this too.

Good luck with your little one.

Judy

[Guest guest]

stressedoutmommacw wrote:

> Hi. My name is Celine. I live in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. I found

> this list by going to Raylene's BFL webpage. I am just starting to

> follow the BFL program. I hope that this group will be the motivation

> and support that I need.

> Celine:)

Welcome to the group, Celine and congrats on starting the BFL program

Serenity

[Guest guest]

Hi Tammy,

Welcome! I am new too.

[Guest guest]

Hello, and welcome to the club! My sister lives in Colorado

Springs. She's always trying to get me to go live there with her. I

went for Christmas, and there are many great things about the area.

Do you go hiking in the Garden of the Gods? Or the (I'm going to

spell this horribly!) Cheyanne Canyon Park?

Alys

[Guest guest]

Tammy~

Welcome to the board!

Have fun.

Joann