Re: Can anyone answer this post?

March 12, 2012

Herd immunity doesn't come from vaccines. It was referred to orig regarding natural immunity.... example if X % of a given population had the measles and recovered... then they wouldn't get them again... so if you have a lower incidence of people acquiring a certain disease because they had already had it then the possibility of it spreading near and far between several people was smaller because those already immune wouldn't be passing it onto people who were not immune.

Vaccines do not and can not guarantee immunity so to say that vaccinated people provide herd immunity is a false security.

I doubt you will be able to convince otherwise to whoever wrote what you posted below. They unfortunately believe vaccine create immunity.

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/herdimmunity.htm

http://sanevax.org/vaccines-and-the-myth-of-herd-immunity/

Can anyone answer this post?

I read a post in a answer to 'herd immunity'. I don't really believe it but I'm not sure how to refute....

Can anyone comment?

Magda

"Herd immunity can occur naturally if a population is exposed to a pathogen on a regular basis AND if the immune response is durable AND if the pathogen does not "drift" (like flu viruses). That is a lot of ifs.

Unfortunately, highly virulent organisms tend infect everyone in a population, wipe out a certain number of them, and then move on to other susceptible populations or regress to their carrier species. When the same pathogen comes back around in 20 or 30 years, there are plenty of members of the population who never saw that pathogen before and have no immunity. The same thing recurs: lots of people sick and lots of deaths.

That's where vaccinations come in: they work best when enough people (or animals) are vaccinated to stop the chain of transmission of the pathogen from one host/victim to another. But if some are immunized and/or naturally immune and others are not, the pathogen will be transmitted for as long as it finds hosts to propagate in. Every unvaccinated child presents an opportunity for the most lethal pathogens we know Â— that is why we have developed vaccines to them. Herd immunity created through vaccination is what eradicated smallpox. Herd immunity created through vaccination is what eradicated polio throughout much of the world. Herd immunity is what got my generation through school without measles or rubella. To think that people are willing to put their own and other people's children at risk of these diseases again bewilders me. I cannot stay silent on these issues."

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March 12, 2012

First, they are assuming the vaccine will work for all those who get it.

Second, as a result of vaccines NOT working for everyone, those people are equally as likely as any unvaccinated person to "present an opportunity for the most lethal pathogens we know."

Third, not all diseases are from "the most lethal pathogens we know." I could go on. I will.

Fourth, To think that people are willing to put their own children, and demand that other people put their children, at risk of serious and often times fatal vaccine reactions for the remote possibility that the vaccine will work for those children--let alone for other people--bewilders ME.

Winnie

Can anyone answer this post?Vaccinations > I read a post in a answer to 'herd immunity'. I don't really > believe it but I'm not sure how to refute....> Can anyone comment?> Magda> > "Herd immunity can occur naturally if a population is exposed to > a pathogen on a regular basis AND if the immune response is > durable AND if the pathogen does not "drift" (like flu viruses). > That is a lot of ifs.> Unfortunately, highly virulent organisms tend infect everyone in > a population, wipe out a certain number of them, and then move > on to other susceptible populations or regress to their carrier > species. When the same pathogen comes back around in 20 or 30 > years, there are plenty of members of the population who never > saw that pathogen before and have no immunity. The same thing > recurs: lots of people sick and lots of deaths.> That's where vaccinations come in: they work best when enough > people (or animals) are vaccinated to stop the chain of > transmission of the pathogen from one host/victim to another. > But if some are immunized and/or naturally immune and others are > not, the pathogen will be transmitted for as long as it finds > hosts to propagate in. Every unvaccinated child presents an > opportunity for the most lethal pathogens we know — that is why > we have developed vaccines to them. > Herd immunity created through vaccination is what eradicated > smallpox. Herd immunity created through vaccination is what > eradicated polio throughout much of the world. Herd immunity is > what got my generation through school without measles or > rubella. To think that people are willing to put their own and > other people's children at risk of these diseases again > bewilders me. I cannot stay silent on these issues."> >

March 12, 2012

my herd immunity pages

http://www.wellwithin1.com/herdimmunity.com

Sheri

At 11:51 AM 3/12/2012, you wrote:

>I read a post in a answer to 'herd immunity'. I

>don't really believe it but I'm not sure how to refute....

>Can anyone comment?

>Magda

>

> " Herd immunity can occur naturally if a

>population is exposed to a pathogen on a regular

>basis AND if the immune response is durable AND

>if the pathogen does not " drift " (like flu viruses). That is a lot of ifs.

>Unfortunately, highly virulent organisms tend

>infect everyone in a population, wipe out a

>certain number of them, and then move on to

>other susceptible populations or regress to

>their carrier species. When the same pathogen

>comes back around in 20 or 30 years, there are

>plenty of members of the population who never

>saw that pathogen before and have no immunity.

>The same thing recurs: lots of people sick and lots of deaths.

>That's where vaccinations come in: they work

>best when enough people (or animals) are

>vaccinated to stop the chain of transmission of

>the pathogen from one host/victim to another.

>But if some are immunized and/or naturally

>immune and others are not, the pathogen will be

>transmitted for as long as it finds hosts to

>propagate in. Every unvaccinated child presents

>an opportunity for the most lethal pathogens we

>know — that is why we have developed vaccines to them.

>Herd immunity created through vaccination is

>what eradicated smallpox. Herd immunity created

>through vaccination is what eradicated polio

>throughout much of the world. Herd immunity is

>what got my generation through school without

>measles or rubella. To think that people are

>willing to put their own and other people's

>children at risk of these diseases again

>bewilders me. I cannot stay silent on these issues. "

>

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March 12, 2012

I get a 404 error ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...> Vaccinations Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Can anyone answer this post?

my herd immunity pages

http://www.wellwithin1.com/herdimmunity.com

Sheri

At 11:51 AM 3/12/2012, you wrote:

>I read a post in a answer to 'herd immunity'. I

>don't really believe it but I'm not sure how to refute....

>Can anyone comment?

>Magda

>

>"Herd immunity can occur naturally if a

>population is exposed to a pathogen on a regular

>basis AND if the immune response is durable AND

>if the pathogen does not "drift" (like flu viruses). That is a lot of ifs.

>Unfortunately, highly virulent organisms tend

>infect everyone in a population, wipe out a

>certain number of them, and then move on to

>other susceptible populations or regress to

>their carrier species. When the same pathogen

>comes back around in 20 or 30 years, there are

>plenty of members of the population who never

>saw that pathogen before and have no immunity.

>The same thing recurs: lots of people sick and lots of deaths.

>That's where vaccinations come in: they work

>best when enough people (or animals) are

>vaccinated to stop the chain of transmission of

>the pathogen from one host/victim to another.

>But if some are immunized and/or naturally

>immune and others are not, the pathogen will be

>transmitted for as long as it finds hosts to

>propagate in. Every unvaccinated child presents

>an opportunity for the most lethal pathogens we

>know â€” that is why we have developed vaccines to them.

>Herd immunity created through vaccination is

>what eradicated smallpox. Herd immunity created

>through vaccination is what eradicated polio

>throughout much of the world. Herd immunity is

>what got my generation through school without

>measles or rubella. To think that people are

>willing to put their own and other people's

>children at risk of these diseases again

>bewilders me. I cannot stay silent on these issues."

>

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March 12, 2012

Ditto was interested in reading thatSent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: maureen gradvohl <mrsvoltaire@...>Sender: Vaccinations Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:19:41 -0700 (PDT)Vaccinations <Vaccinations >Reply Vaccinations Subject: Re: Can anyone answer this post? I get a 404 error ~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~ From: Sheri Nakken <vaccinedangers@...> Vaccinations Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Can anyone answer this post? my herd immunity pageshttp://www.wellwithin1.com/herdimmunity.comSheriAt 11:51 AM 3/12/2012, you wrote:>I read a post in a answer to 'herd immunity'. I >don't really believe it but I'm not sure how to refute....>Can anyone comment?>Magda>>"Herd immunity can occur naturally if a >population is exposed to a pathogen on a regular >basis AND if the immune response is durable AND >if the pathogen does not "drift" (like flu viruses). That is a lot of ifs.>Unfortunately, highly virulent organisms tend >infect everyone in a population, wipe out a >certain number of them, and then move on to >other susceptible populations or regress to >their carrier species. When the same pathogen >comes back around in 20 or 30 years, there are >plenty of members of the population who never >saw that pathogen before and have no immunity. >The same thing recurs: lots of people sick and lots of deaths.>That's where vaccinations come in: they work >best when enough people (or animals) are >vaccinated to stop the chain of transmission of >the pathogen from one host/victim to another. >But if some are immunized and/or naturally >immune and others are not, the pathogen will be >transmitted for as long as it finds hosts to >propagate in. Every unvaccinated child presents >an opportunity for the most lethal pathogens we >know â€” that is why we have developed vaccines to them.>Herd immunity created through vaccination is >what eradicated smallpox. Herd immunity created >through vaccination is what eradicated polio >throughout much of the world. Herd immunity is >what got my generation through school without >measles or rubella. To think that people are >willing to put their own and other people's >children at risk of these diseases again >bewilders me. I cannot stay silent on these issues.">>>>------------------------------------>>

March 12, 2012

Here's my reply: then why were diseases on their way out PRIOR to vaccines being introduced; see link below: http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/obamsawin/ImmunizationGraphs-RO2009.pdf

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March 13, 2012

oops

http://www.wellwithin1.com/herdimmunity.htm

At 02:19 PM 3/12/2012, you wrote:

I get a 404 error

~ Maureen R. Gradvohl ~