Re: Health Department contacting County Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!

[Guest guest]

Oh Rhian - what a mess! He didn't even have a bite?

Yes you need an attorney right now.

Who's name did NVIC give you? Did you contact them?

Sheri

listowner

At 03:56 PM 6/11/2012, you wrote:

>Hello,

>This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a baby

>raccoon out at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The raccoon made

>contact with my son's hand, but no marks were apparent to the naked

>eye. We washed his hand with soap and water thoroughly. When I

>applied iodine (antiviral) to the area a couple of tiny spots

>appeared. I was advised by a nurse-on-call to go get him checked at

>the hospital. When we went the ER doctor immediately recommended the

>rabies series without even looking at my son's hand. Since the

>doctor said we had about 24-48 hours of window to begin treatment,

>we declined the shots and went home to research and discuss with my

>husband who had been out of town. The CDC recommends 1 dose of

>rabies Immunoglobulin along with 1 dose of rabies vaccine initially,

>followed by 3 doses of vaccine on Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 following

>the first treatment. After speaking with the County Health

>Department and doing some research into the disease, we decided to

>get my son the IG dose as well as the first vaccine dose. We went to

>the ER within 24 hours of my son's exposure. I made sure to get the

>package inserts for later review. Based on the type of exposure

>(provoked), the number of confirmed cases of rabid raccoons in the

>area in the past three years (0), the fact that good wound care is

>the best defense against rabies (soap and water, plus antiviral

>iodine application), that the IG dose is providing passive

>resistance while my son's body starts antibody production, and that

>the package insert (as well as a few studies I found) stated that an

>acceptable level of circulating antibodies often is achieved in one

>dose, my husband and I felt we more than covered the possible risk

>of rabies. However, the woman at the Health Department does not feel

>this way, and called me this morning to tell me that she had

>contacted the County Prosecutor who may go to Child Protective

>Services. I told her that I would be more than willing to have my

>son's antibody levels tested after Day 10 (as this is when his body

>should be starting to produce antibodies), but because the CDC

>recommendation is doses at DAY 3 and DAY 7 she says there is no time

>wait for blood tests that also could take weeks to get results. A

>friend who was a county prosecutor has told me that they can take my

>son away from me if they feel his life is in danger. And the scary

>thing is, that the woman at the Health Department is acting like she

>is going to pursue this to the fullest extent of her power. At this

>point, I'm not even sure she would be satisfied if I agreed to one

>more dose (his 2nd dose of vaccine), even though the clinical trials

>showed 100% of the participants achieved many time greater titer

>levels than recommended by the World Health Organization with just 2

>doses given 1 month apart. Please help me protect my family! Any

>advice or names of legal advocacy groups in our area would be so

>appreciated. I had contacted NVIC and they referred me to an

>attorney familiar with vaccine rights. I don't think I have much

>time as Child Protective Serv

>Sincerely,

>Rhian

>Willoughby Hills, OH

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>

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Sheri,

Apparently a " bite " is any damage to the skin, no matter how superficial,

whether or not there was puncture or blood (there was neither in my son's case).

NVIC gave me a non-local name, Alan , as a attorney recommendation

(www.vaccinerights.com) and I left him a message this evening. I am thinking of

being proactive and going around the health department by calling the director

of family services and the county prosecutor to set up a meeting... not sure if

this is a good or bad idea. I just hate the thought of these officials making

decisions about my family based on only one side of the story.

Rhian

> >Hello,

> >This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a baby

> >raccoon out at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The raccoon made

> >contact with my son's hand, but no marks were apparent to the naked

> >eye. We washed his hand with soap and water thoroughly. When I

> >applied iodine (antiviral) to the area a couple of tiny spots

> >appeared. I was advised by a nurse-on-call to go get him checked at

> >the hospital. When we went the ER doctor immediately recommended the

> >rabies series without even looking at my son's hand. Since the

> >doctor said we had about 24-48 hours of window to begin treatment,

> >we declined the shots and went home to research and discuss with my

> >husband who had been out of town. The CDC recommends 1 dose of

> >rabies Immunoglobulin along with 1 dose of rabies vaccine initially,

> >followed by 3 doses of vaccine on Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 following

> >the first treatment. After speaking with the County Health

> >Department and doing some research into the disease, we decided to

> >get my son the IG dose as well as the first vaccine dose. We went to

> >the ER within 24 hours of my son's exposure. I made sure to get the

> >package inserts for later review. Based on the type of exposure

> >(provoked), the number of confirmed cases of rabid raccoons in the

> >area in the past three years (0), the fact that good wound care is

> >the best defense against rabies (soap and water, plus antiviral

> >iodine application), that the IG dose is providing passive

> >resistance while my son's body starts antibody production, and that

> >the package insert (as well as a few studies I found) stated that an

> >acceptable level of circulating antibodies often is achieved in one

> >dose, my husband and I felt we more than covered the possible risk

> >of rabies. However, the woman at the Health Department does not feel

> >this way, and called me this morning to tell me that she had

> >contacted the County Prosecutor who may go to Child Protective

> >Services. I told her that I would be more than willing to have my

> >son's antibody levels tested after Day 10 (as this is when his body

> >should be starting to produce antibodies), but because the CDC

> >recommendation is doses at DAY 3 and DAY 7 she says there is no time

> >wait for blood tests that also could take weeks to get results. A

> >friend who was a county prosecutor has told me that they can take my

> >son away from me if they feel his life is in danger. And the scary

> >thing is, that the woman at the Health Department is acting like she

> >is going to pursue this to the fullest extent of her power. At this

> >point, I'm not even sure she would be satisfied if I agreed to one

> >more dose (his 2nd dose of vaccine), even though the clinical trials

> >showed 100% of the participants achieved many time greater titer

> >levels than recommended by the World Health Organization with just 2

> >doses given 1 month apart. Please help me protect my family! Any

> >advice or names of legal advocacy groups in our area would be so

> >appreciated. I had contacted NVIC and they referred me to an

> >attorney familiar with vaccine rights. I don't think I have much

> >time as Child Protective Serv

> >Sincerely,

> >Rhian

> >Willoughby Hills, OH

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >

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How scary! My thoughts are with you. My vaccine journey started with a vaccine reaction to Rabies. So I wish you the best of luck! Thoughts and prayers! I have a friend that has a huge file on her with CPS for letting her children play outside unsupervised. I totally agree with you about getting your side of the story heard, but I would make sure you have good legal representation first because IF they find out your child is unvaxed (assuming they don't already know) there could be another level of complication and it's all run by fear. Fear of rabies, fear of unvaccinated children spreading disease, etc. Good Luck!namaste,PheobeOn Jun 11, 2012, at 8:48 PM, rkzin wrote:

Sheri,

Apparently a "bite" is any damage to the skin, no matter how superficial, whether or not there was puncture or blood (there was neither in my son's case). NVIC gave me a non-local name, Alan , as a attorney recommendation (www.vaccinerights.com) and I left him a message this evening. I am thinking of being proactive and going around the health department by calling the director of family services and the county prosecutor to set up a meeting... not sure if this is a good or bad idea. I just hate the thought of these officials making decisions about my family based on only one side of the story.

Rhian

> >Hello,

> >This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a baby

> >raccoon out at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The raccoon made

> >contact with my son's hand, but no marks were apparent to the naked

> >eye. We washed his hand with soap and water thoroughly. When I

> >applied iodine (antiviral) to the area a couple of tiny spots

> >appeared. I was advised by a nurse-on-call to go get him checked at

> >the hospital. When we went the ER doctor immediately recommended the

> >rabies series without even looking at my son's hand. Since the

> >doctor said we had about 24-48 hours of window to begin treatment,

> >we declined the shots and went home to research and discuss with my

> >husband who had been out of town. The CDC recommends 1 dose of

> >rabies Immunoglobulin along with 1 dose of rabies vaccine initially,

> >followed by 3 doses of vaccine on Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 following

> >the first treatment. After speaking with the County Health

> >Department and doing some research into the disease, we decided to

> >get my son the IG dose as well as the first vaccine dose. We went to

> >the ER within 24 hours of my son's exposure. I made sure to get the

> >package inserts for later review. Based on the type of exposure

> >(provoked), the number of confirmed cases of rabid raccoons in the

> >area in the past three years (0), the fact that good wound care is

> >the best defense against rabies (soap and water, plus antiviral

> >iodine application), that the IG dose is providing passive

> >resistance while my son's body starts antibody production, and that

> >the package insert (as well as a few studies I found) stated that an

> >acceptable level of circulating antibodies often is achieved in one

> >dose, my husband and I felt we more than covered the possible risk

> >of rabies. However, the woman at the Health Department does not feel

> >this way, and called me this morning to tell me that she had

> >contacted the County Prosecutor who may go to Child Protective

> >Services. I told her that I would be more than willing to have my

> >son's antibody levels tested after Day 10 (as this is when his body

> >should be starting to produce antibodies), but because the CDC

> >recommendation is doses at DAY 3 and DAY 7 she says there is no time

> >wait for blood tests that also could take weeks to get results. A

> >friend who was a county prosecutor has told me that they can take my

> >son away from me if they feel his life is in danger. And the scary

> >thing is, that the woman at the Health Department is acting like she

> >is going to pursue this to the fullest extent of her power. At this

> >point, I'm not even sure she would be satisfied if I agreed to one

> >more dose (his 2nd dose of vaccine), even though the clinical trials

> >showed 100% of the participants achieved many time greater titer

> >levels than recommended by the World Health Organization with just 2

> >doses given 1 month apart. Please help me protect my family! Any

> >advice or names of legal advocacy groups in our area would be so

> >appreciated. I had contacted NVIC and they referred me to an

> >attorney familiar with vaccine rights. I don't think I have much

> >time as Child Protective Serv

> >Sincerely,

> >Rhian

> >Willoughby Hills, OH

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >

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I wouldn't call a meeting without legal help. Now about these tiny spots--they were scrapes from the raccoon?

Winnie Re: Health Department contacting County Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!Vaccinations > Sheri,> > Apparently a "bite" is any damage to the skin, no matter how > superficial, whether or not there was puncture or blood (there > was neither in my son's case). NVIC gave me a non-local name, > Alan , as a attorney recommendation > (www.vaccinerights.com) and I left him a message this evening. I > am thinking of being proactive and going around the health > department by calling the director of family services and the > county prosecutor to set up a meeting... not sure if this is a > good or bad idea. I just hate the thought of these officials > making decisions about my family based on only one side of the story.> > Rhian> > > > > > >Hello,> > >This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a > baby > > >raccoon out at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The raccoon > made > > >contact with my son's hand, but no marks were apparent to the > naked > > >eye. We washed his hand with soap and water thoroughly. When > I > > >applied iodine (antiviral) to the area a couple of tiny spots > > >appeared. I was advised by a nurse-on-call to go get him > checked at > > >the hospital. When we went the ER doctor immediately > recommended the > > >rabies series without even looking at my son's hand. Since > the > > >doctor said we had about 24-48 hours of window to begin > treatment, > > >we declined the shots and went home to research and discuss > with my > > >husband who had been out of town. The CDC recommends 1 dose > of > > >rabies Immunoglobulin along with 1 dose of rabies vaccine > initially, > > >followed by 3 doses of vaccine on Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 > following > > >the first treatment. After speaking with the County Health > > >Department and doing some research into the disease, we > decided to > > >get my son the IG dose as well as the first vaccine dose. We > went to > > >the ER within 24 hours of my son's exposure. I made sure to > get the > > >package inserts for later review. Based on the type of > exposure > > >(provoked), the number of confirmed cases of rabid raccoons > in the > > >area in the past three years (0), the fact that good wound > care is > > >the best defense against rabies (soap and water, plus > antiviral > > >iodine application), that the IG dose is providing passive > > >resistance while my son's body starts antibody production, > and that > > >the package insert (as well as a few studies I found) stated > that an > > >acceptable level of circulating antibodies often is achieved > in one > > >dose, my husband and I felt we more than covered the possible > risk > > >of rabies. However, the woman at the Health Department does > not feel > > >this way, and called me this morning to tell me that she had > > >contacted the County Prosecutor who may go to Child > Protective > > >Services. I told her that I would be more than willing to > have my > > >son's antibody levels tested after Day 10 (as this is when > his body > > >should be starting to produce antibodies), but because the > CDC > > >recommendation is doses at DAY 3 and DAY 7 she says there is > no time > > >wait for blood tests that also could take weeks to get > results. A > > >friend who was a county prosecutor has told me that they can > take my > > >son away from me if they feel his life is in danger. And the > scary > > >thing is, that the woman at the Health Department is acting > like she > > >is going to pursue this to the fullest extent of her power. > At this > > >point, I'm not even sure she would be satisfied if I agreed > to one > > >more dose (his 2nd dose of vaccine), even though the clinical > trials > > >showed 100% of the participants achieved many time greater > titer > > >levels than recommended by the World Health Organization with > just 2 > > >doses given 1 month apart. Please help me protect my family! > Any > > >advice or names of legal advocacy groups in our area would be > so > > >appreciated. I had contacted NVIC and they referred me to an > > >attorney familiar with vaccine rights. I don't think I have > much > > >time as Child Protective Serv> > >Sincerely,> > >Rhian> > >Willoughby Hills, OH> > >> > >> > >> > >------------------------------------> > >> > >

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How about going to visit friends or family until Day 10?Amy From: Vaccinations [mailto:Vaccinations ] On Behalf Of rkzinSent: Monday, June 11, 2012 5:56 PMVaccinations Subject: Health Department contacting County Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP! Hello,This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a baby raccoon out at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The raccoon made contact with my son's hand, but no marks were apparent to the naked eye. We washed his hand with soap and water thoroughly. When I applied iodine (antiviral) to the area a couple of tiny spots appeared. I was advised by a nurse-on-call to go get him checked at the hospital. When we went the ER doctor immediately recommended the rabies series without even looking at my son's hand. Since the doctor said we had about 24-48 hours of window to begin treatment, we declined the shots and went home to research and discuss with my husband who had been out of town. The CDC recommends 1 dose of rabies Immunoglobulin along with 1 dose of rabies vaccine initially, followed by 3 doses of vaccine on Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 following the first treatment. After speaking with the County Health Department and doing some research into the disease, we decided to get my son the IG dose as well as the first vaccine dose. We went to the ER within 24 hours of my son's exposure. I made sure to get the package inserts for later review. Based on the type of exposure (provoked), the number of confirmed cases of rabid raccoons in the area in the past three years (0), the fact that good wound care is the best defense against rabies (soap and water, plus antiviral iodine application), that the IG dose is providing passive resistance while my son's body starts antibody production, and that the package insert (as well as a few studies I found) stated that an acceptable level of circulating antibodies often is achieved in one dose, my husband and I felt we more than covered the possible risk of rabies. However, the woman at the Health Department does not feel this way, and called me this morning to tell me that she had contacted the County Prosecutor who may go to Child Protective Services. I told her that I would be more than willing to have my son's antibody levels tested after Day 10 (as this is when his body should be starting to produce antibodies), but because the CDC recommendation is doses at DAY 3 and DAY 7 she says there is no time wait for blood tests that also could take weeks to get results. A friend who was a county prosecutor has told me that they can take my son away from me if they feel his life is in danger. And the scary thing is, that the woman at the Health Department is acting like she is going to pursue this to the fullest extent of her power. At this point, I'm not even sure she would be satisfied if I agreed to one more dose (his 2nd dose of vaccine), even though the clinical trials showed 100% of the participants achieved many time greater titer levels than recommended by the World Health Organization with just 2 doses given 1 month apart. Please help me protect my family! Any advice or names of legal advocacy groups in our area would be so appreciated. I had contacted NVIC and they referred me to an attorney familiar with vaccine rights. I don't think I have much time as Child Protective Services can act quickly if they feel it is necessary. Sincerely,RhianWilloughby Hills, OH

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It crossed my mind, too, but if these people are already being so threatening, imagine the backlash for defying them. They would probably force vaccinate anyway as punishment, or at least thinking something is better than nothing.

But, still, it's certainly worth considering...

Winni Health Department contacting County > Prosecutor/ChildProtective Services HELP!> > > > > > Hello,> This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a > baby raccoon> out at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The raccoon made > contact with my> son's hand, but no marks were apparent to the naked eye. We > washed his hand> with soap and water thoroughly. When I applied iodine > (antiviral) to the> area a couple of tiny spots appeared. I was advised by a nurse-> on-call to go> get him checked at the hospital. When we went the ER doctor > immediatelyrecommended the rabies series without even looking at > my son's hand. Since> the doctor said we had about 24-48 hours of window to begin > treatment, we> declined the shots and went home to research and discuss with my > husband who> had been out of town. The CDC recommends 1 dose of rabies > Immunoglobulinalong with 1 dose of rabies vaccine initially, > followed by 3 doses of> vaccine on Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 following the first > treatment. After> speaking with the County Health Department and doing some > research into the> disease, we decided to get my son the IG dose as well as the > first vaccine> dose. We went to the ER within 24 hours of my son's exposure. I > made sure to> get the package inserts for later review. Based on the type of > exposure(provoked), the number of confirmed cases of rabid > raccoons in the area in> the past three years (0), the fact that good wound care is the > best defense> against rabies (soap and water, plus antiviral iodine > application), that the> IG dose is providing passive resistance while my son's body > starts antibody> production, and that the package insert (as well as a few > studies I found)> stated that an acceptable level of circulating antibodies often > is achieved> in one dose, my husband and I felt we more than covered the > possible risk of> rabies. However, the woman at the Health Department does not > feel this way,> and called me this morning to tell me that she had contacted the > CountyProsecutor who may go to Child Protective Services. I told > her that I would> be more than willing to have my son's antibody levels tested > after Day 10> (as this is when his body should be starting to produce > antibodies), but> because the CDC recommendation is doses at DAY 3 and DAY 7 she > says there is> no time wait for blood tests that also could take weeks to get > results. A> friend who was a county prosecutor has told me that they can > take my son> away from me if they feel his life is in danger. And the scary > thing is,> that the woman at the Health Department is acting like she is > going to> pursue this to the fullest extent of her power. At this point, > I'm not even> sure she would be satisfied if I agreed to one more dose (his > 2nd dose of> vaccine), even though the clinical trials showed 100% of the > participantsachieved many time greater titer levels than > recommended by the World Health> Organization with just 2 doses given 1 month apart. Please help > me protect> my family! Any advice or names of legal advocacy groups in our > area would be> so appreciated. I had contacted NVIC and they referred me to an > attorneyfamiliar with vaccine rights. I don't think I have much > time as Child> Protective Services can act quickly if they feel it is > necessary. > > Sincerely,> Rhian> Willoughby Hills, OH> > > >

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I know this does not help this situation, but why does it seem to me thatgetting a simple titer for a DOG takes minutes at the vet's office, but for a human being you have to wait for WEEKS? Regardless, this is a horrific situation and I hope you can be directed to proper legal servicesASAP. You certainly are not neglectful or endangering your child. OQueens NY USA From: rkzin <rkzin@...> Vaccinations Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 6:56 PM Subject: Health Department contacting County Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!

Hello,

This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a baby raccoon out at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The raccoon made contact with my son's hand, but no marks were apparent to the naked eye. We washed his hand with soap and water thoroughly. When I applied iodine (antiviral) to the area a couple of tiny spots appeared. I was advised by a nurse-on-call to go get him checked at the hospital. When we went the ER doctor immediately recommended the rabies series without even looking at my son's hand. Since the doctor said we had about 24-48 hours of window to begin treatment, we declined the shots and went home to research and discuss with my husband who had been out of town. The CDC recommends 1 dose of rabies Immunoglobulin along with 1 dose of rabies vaccine initially, followed by 3 doses of vaccine on Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 following the first treatment. After speaking with the County Health Department and doing some research into the

disease, we decided to get my son the IG dose as well as the first vaccine dose. We went to the ER within 24 hours of my son's exposure. I made sure to get the package inserts for later review. Based on the type of exposure (provoked), the number of confirmed cases of rabid raccoons in the area in the past three years (0), the fact that good wound care is the best defense against rabies (soap and water, plus antiviral iodine application), that the IG dose is providing passive resistance while my son's body starts antibody production, and that the package insert (as well as a few studies I found) stated that an acceptable level of circulating antibodies often is achieved in one dose, my husband and I felt we more than covered the possible risk of rabies. However, the woman at the Health Department does not feel this way, and called me this morning to tell me that she had contacted the County Prosecutor who may go to Child Protective Services. I told her

that I would be more than willing to have my son's antibody levels tested after Day 10 (as this is when his body should be starting to produce antibodies), but because the CDC recommendation is doses at DAY 3 and DAY 7 she says there is no time wait for blood tests that also could take weeks to get results. A friend who was a county prosecutor has told me that they can take my son away from me if they feel his life is in danger. And the scary thing is, that the woman at the Health Department is acting like she is going to pursue this to the fullest extent of her power. At this point, I'm not even sure she would be satisfied if I agreed to one more dose (his 2nd dose of vaccine), even though the clinical trials showed 100% of the participants achieved many time greater titer levels than recommended by the World Health Organization with just 2 doses given 1 month apart. Please help me protect my family! Any advice or names of legal advocacy groups in our

area would be so appreciated. I had contacted NVIC and they referred me to an attorney familiar with vaccine rights. I don't think I have much time as Child Protective Services can act quickly if they feel it is necessary.

Sincerely,

Rhian

Willoughby Hills, OH

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello,

> This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a baby raccoon out

at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The raccoon made contact with my son's

hand, but no marks were apparent to the naked

Rhian,

You did right by washing with soap and water. There was a study done a number

of years ago and 97% of the rabies vaccines given to people were uncalled for

and that soap and water would have taken care of the " bite " and your son didn't

even have a bite.

This next statement will be for those who will encounter something like this

with either a human or a pet. Just wash with soap and water. Do not contact

anyone in the medical field especially if the " bite " is on an extremity. The

authorities are making it seem as if rabies transmission just needs to be saliva

on unbroken skin. That is not so. Scatches washed with soap and water are

sufficient. This study even went on about actual " bites " that were washed with

soap and water and proved that vaccines were not needed.

All basically fear based. How many raccons live in the US and it's their

natural habit to be coming out at dusk. If it's a pet do not call animal

control. vet or wildlife agency.

Do your research before anything like this happens. Real " bites " to the head

and neck is of a concern.

In the long of it there was nothing wrong with this raccoon. There was no

unbroken skin. The unbroken skin was washed. Research the habits of animals.

Know how rabies actually infects.

Jackie Noel

www.sagaciousairedales.com

www.sagaciousdogcountry.com

[Guest guest]

And here's a thought, too: Is it illegal to refuse a rabies shot? At least with other vaccines they are mandated for school so you can see how the vaccine pushers can twist that to their benefit. But is a medical treatment (not a vaccine to prevent but a treatment after the fact) like rabies shots--or any kind of medical treatment for that matter--required by law?

I'd ask to see where it is written.

Winnie Health Department contacting County > Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!> > > >> > > > > > > >Hello,> >This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a > baby raccoon out at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The > raccoon made contact with my son's hand, but no marks were > apparent to the naked eye. We washed his hand with soap and > water thoroughly. When I applied iodine (antiviral) to the area > a couple of tiny spots appeared. I was advised by a nurse-on-> call to go get him checked at the hospital. When we went the ER > doctor immediately recommended the rabies series without even > looking at my son's hand. Since the doctor said we had about 24-> 48 hours of window to begin treatment, we declined the shots and > went home to research and discuss with my husband who had been > out of town. The CDC recommends 1 dose of rabies Immunoglobulin > along with 1 dose of rabies vaccine initially, followed by 3 > doses of vaccine on Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 following the first > treatment. After speaking with the County Health Department and > doing some research into the> disease, we decided to get my son the IG dose as well as the > first vaccine dose. We went to the ER within 24 hours of my > son's exposure. I made sure to get the package inserts for later > review. Based on the type of exposure (provoked), the number of > confirmed cases of rabid raccoons in the area in the past three > years (0), the fact that good wound care is the best defense > against rabies (soap and water, plus antiviral iodine > application), that the IG dose is providing passive resistance > while my son's body starts antibody production, and that the > package insert (as well as a few studies I found) stated that an > acceptable level of circulating antibodies often is achieved in > one dose, my husband and I felt we more than covered the > possible risk of rabies. However, the woman at the Health > Department does not feel this way, and called me this morning to > tell me that she had contacted the County Prosecutor who may go > to Child Protective Services. I told her> that I would be more than willing to have my son's antibody > levels tested after Day 10 (as this is when his body should be > starting to produce antibodies), but because the CDC > recommendation is doses at DAY 3 and DAY 7 she says there is no > time wait for blood tests that also could take weeks to get > results. A friend who was a county prosecutor has told me that > they can take my son away from me if they feel his life is in > danger. And the scary thing is, that the woman at the Health > Department is acting like she is going to pursue this to the > fullest extent of her power. At this point, I'm not even sure > she would be satisfied if I agreed to one more dose (his 2nd > dose of vaccine), even though the clinical trials showed 100% of > the participants achieved many time greater titer levels than > recommended by the World Health Organization with just 2 doses > given 1 month apart. Please help me protect my family! Any > advice or names of legal advocacy groups in our> area would be so appreciated. I had contacted NVIC and they > referred me to an attorney familiar with vaccine rights. I don't > think I have much time as Child Protective Services can act > quickly if they feel it is necessary. > >> >Sincerely,> >Rhian> >Willoughby Hills, OH> >> > > > > >> >

[Guest guest]

Wasn’t there a case when someone with TB was imprisoned because they refused treatment? I can’t remember it now. But, in this case, when a child is involved, anything can happen. The government can charge the parents with child neglect, child endangerment, and so on and so on. Remember the boy who was forced to have chemo? There are all kinds of ways they can take your kids away and then do whatever they want to the child.

Trish

From: wharrison@...

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:22 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Health Department contacting County Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!

And here's a thought, too: Is it illegal to refuse a rabies shot? At least with other vaccines they are mandated for school so you can see how the vaccine pushers can twist that to their benefit. But is a medical treatment (not a vaccine to prevent but a treatment after the fact) like rabies shots--or any kind of medical treatment for that matter--required by law?

I'd ask to see where it is written.

Winnie Health Department contacting County > Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!> > > >> > > > > > > >Hello,> >This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a > baby raccoon out at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The > raccoon made contact with my son's hand, but no marks were > apparent to the naked eye. We washed his hand with soap and > water thoroughly. When I applied iodine (antiviral) to the area > a couple of tiny spots appeared. I was advised by a nurse-on-> call to go get him checked at the hospital. When we went the ER > doctor immediately recommended the rabies series without even > looking at my son's hand. Since the doctor said we had about 24-> 48 hours of window to begin treatment, we declined the shots and > went home to research and discuss with my husband who had been > out of town. The CDC recommends 1 dose of rabies Immunoglobulin > along with 1 dose of rabies vaccine initially, followed by 3 > doses of vaccine on Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 following the first > treatment. After speaking with the County Health Department and > doing some research into the> disease, we decided to get my son the IG dose as well as the > first vaccine dose. We went to the ER within 24 hours of my > son's exposure. I made sure to get the package inserts for later > review. Based on the type of exposure (provoked), the number of > confirmed cases of rabid raccoons in the area in the past three > years (0), the fact that good wound care is the best defense > against rabies (soap and water, plus antiviral iodine > application), that the IG dose is providing passive resistance > while my son's body starts antibody production, and that the > package insert (as well as a few studies I found) stated that an > acceptable level of circulating antibodies often is achieved in > one dose, my husband and I felt we more than covered the > possible risk of rabies. However, the woman at the Health > Department does not feel this way, and called me this morning to > tell me that she had contacted the County Prosecutor who may go > to Child Protective Services. I told her> that I would be more than willing to have my son's antibody > levels tested after Day 10 (as this is when his body should be > starting to produce antibodies), but because the CDC > recommendation is doses at DAY 3 and DAY 7 she says there is no > time wait for blood tests that also could take weeks to get > results. A friend who was a county prosecutor has told me that > they can take my son away from me if they feel his life is in > danger. And the scary thing is, that the woman at the Health > Department is acting like she is going to pursue this to the > fullest extent of her power. At this point, I'm not even sure > she would be satisfied if I agreed to one more dose (his 2nd > dose of vaccine), even though the clinical trials showed 100% of > the participants achieved many time greater titer levels than > recommended by the World Health Organization with just 2 doses > given 1 month apart. Please help me protect my family! Any > advice or names of legal advocacy groups in our> area would be so appreciated. I had contacted NVIC and they > referred me to an attorney familiar with vaccine rights. I don't > think I have much time as Child Protective Services can act > quickly if they feel it is necessary. > >> >Sincerely,> >Rhian> >Willoughby Hills, OH> >> > > > > >> >

[Guest guest]

Tread lightly and have a representative that knows their stuff. There was just a report where a public scoop took a childs bag lunch because it wasn't " healthy. " The sky is the limit when government representatives are involved. Have a friend who advised me not to post pictures of my son having fun if it could be " considered unsafe. " She said teachers are contractually obligated to report it as child abuse. Fear and the ever present " ata boy " go a long way to make people respond in a conditioned manner. The picture, my son playing with a glass bottle and s fork at a little under a year working on dexterity. Was I neglecting him or allowing for unsafe circumstances, absolutely not. But children can't play with glass in our society. False. But it is accepted aso so, just like vaccines prevent disease, antibiotics cure illness, GMO isn't dangerious, smart meters are safe, and the climate change propaganda machine isn't gearing up for carbon taxes... I could go on..sorry for the rant.

On Jun 12, 2012 4:29 PM, " Trish " <twotheark@...> wrote:

 

Wasn’t there a case when someone with TB was imprisoned because they refused treatment?  I can’t remember it now.  But, in this case, when a child is involved, anything can happen.  The government can charge the parents with child neglect, child endangerment, and so on and so on.  Remember the boy who was forced to have chemo?  There are all kinds of ways they can take your kids away and then do whatever they want to the child.

 

Trish

 

From: wharrison@...

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:22 PM

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Health Department contacting County Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!

 

And here's a thought, too: Is it illegal to refuse a rabies shot? At least with other vaccines they are mandated for school so you can see how the vaccine pushers can twist that to their benefit. But is a medical treatment (not a vaccine to prevent but a treatment after the fact) like rabies shots--or any kind of medical treatment for that matter--required by law?

 

I'd ask to see where it is written.

 

Winnie Health Department contacting County > Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!> > > >> > > >  > > > >Hello,> >This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a > baby raccoon out at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The > raccoon made contact with my son's hand, but no marks were > apparent to the naked eye. We washed his hand with soap and > water thoroughly. When I applied iodine (antiviral) to the area > a couple of tiny spots appeared. I was advised by a nurse-on-> call to go get him checked at the hospital. When we went the ER > doctor immediately recommended the rabies series without even > looking at my son's hand. Since the doctor said we had about 24-> 48 hours of window to begin treatment, we declined the shots and > went home to research and discuss with my husband who had been > out of town. The CDC recommends 1 dose of rabies Immunoglobulin > along with 1 dose of rabies vaccine initially, followed by 3 > doses of vaccine on Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 following the first > treatment. After speaking with the County Health Department and > doing some research into the> disease, we decided to get my son the IG dose as well as the > first vaccine dose. We went to the ER within 24 hours of my > son's exposure. I made sure to get the package inserts for later > review. Based on the type of exposure (provoked), the number of > confirmed cases of rabid raccoons in the area in the past three > years (0), the fact that good wound care is the best defense > against rabies (soap and water, plus antiviral iodine > application), that the IG dose is providing passive resistance > while my son's body starts antibody production, and that the > package insert (as well as a few studies I found) stated that an > acceptable level of circulating antibodies often is achieved in > one dose, my husband and I felt we more than covered the > possible risk of rabies. However, the woman at the Health > Department does not feel this way, and called me this morning to > tell me that she had contacted the County Prosecutor who may go > to Child Protective Services. I told her> that I would be more than willing to have my son's antibody > levels tested after Day 10 (as this is when his body should be > starting to produce antibodies), but because the CDC > recommendation is doses at DAY 3 and DAY 7 she says there is no > time wait for blood tests that also could take weeks to get > results. A friend who was a county prosecutor has told me that > they can take my son away from me if they feel his life is in > danger. And the scary thing is, that the woman at the Health > Department is acting like she is going to pursue this to the > fullest extent of her power. At this point, I'm not even sure > she would be satisfied if I agreed to one more dose (his 2nd > dose of vaccine), even though the clinical trials showed 100% of > the participants achieved many time greater titer levels than > recommended by the World Health Organization with just 2 doses > given 1 month apart. Please help me protect my family! Any > advice or names of legal advocacy groups in our> area would be so appreciated. I had contacted NVIC and they > referred me to an attorney familiar with vaccine rights. I don't > think I have much time as Child Protective Services can act > quickly if they feel it is necessary. > >> >Sincerely,> >Rhian> >Willoughby Hills, OH> >> > > > > >> >

[Guest guest]

At 01:29 PM 6/12/2012, you wrote:

Wasn’t there a case when

someone with TB was imprisoned because they refused treatment? I

can’t remember it now.

Yes, but they have laws about TB requiring treatment

But, in this case, when a child

is involved, anything can happen. The government can charge the

parents with child neglect, child endangerment, and so on and so

on. Remember the boy who was forced to have chemo? There are

all kinds of ways they can take your kids away and then do whatever they

want to the child.

yes they can

I would go into hiding till the time was up

Sheri

Trish

From:

wharrison@...

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:22 PM

To:

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Health Department contacting County

Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!

And here's a thought, too: Is it illegal to refuse a rabies shot? At

least with other vaccines they are mandated for school so you can see how

the vaccine pushers can twist that to their benefit. But is a medical

treatment (not a vaccine to prevent but a treatment after the fact) like

rabies shots--or any kind of medical treatment for that matter--required

by law?

I'd ask to see where it is written.

Winnie

Health Department contacting County

> Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Hello,

> >This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a

> baby raccoon out at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The

> raccoon made contact with my son's hand, but no marks were

> apparent to the naked eye. We washed his hand with soap and

> water thoroughly. When I applied iodine (antiviral) to the area

> a couple of tiny spots appeared. I was advised by a nurse-on-

> call to go get him checked at the hospital. When we went the ER

> doctor immediately recommended the rabies series without even

> looking at my son's hand. Since the doctor said we had about

24-

> 48 hours of window to begin treatment, we declined the shots and

> went home to research and discuss with my husband who had been

> out of town. The CDC recommends 1 dose of rabies Immunoglobulin

> along with 1 dose of rabies vaccine initially, followed by 3

> doses of vaccine on Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 following the first

> treatment. After speaking with the County Health Department and

> doing some research into the

> disease, we decided to get my son the IG dose as well as the

> first vaccine dose. We went to the ER within 24 hours of my

> son's exposure. I made sure to get the package inserts for later

> review. Based on the type of exposure (provoked), the number of

> confirmed cases of rabid raccoons in the area in the past three

> years (0), the fact that good wound care is the best defense

> against rabies (soap and water, plus antiviral iodine

> application), that the IG dose is providing passive resistance

> while my son's body starts antibody production, and that the

> package insert (as well as a few studies I found) stated that an

> acceptable level of circulating antibodies often is achieved in

> one dose, my husband and I felt we more than covered the

> possible risk of rabies. However, the woman at the Health

> Department does not feel this way, and called me this morning to

> tell me that she had contacted the County Prosecutor who may go

> to Child Protective Services. I told her

> that I would be more than willing to have my son's antibody

> levels tested after Day 10 (as this is when his body should be

> starting to produce antibodies), but because the CDC

> recommendation is doses at DAY 3 and DAY 7 she says there is no

> time wait for blood tests that also could take weeks to get

> results. A friend who was a county prosecutor has told me that

> they can take my son away from me if they feel his life is in

> danger. And the scary thing is, that the woman at the Health

> Department is acting like she is going to pursue this to the

> fullest extent of her power. At this point, I'm not even sure

> she would be satisfied if I agreed to one more dose (his 2nd

> dose of vaccine), even though the clinical trials showed 100% of

> the participants achieved many time greater titer levels than

> recommended by the World Health Organization with just 2 doses

> given 1 month apart. Please help me protect my family! Any

> advice or names of legal advocacy groups in our

> area would be so appreciated. I had contacted NVIC and they

> referred me to an attorney familiar with vaccine rights. I don't

> think I have much time as Child Protective Services can act

> quickly if they feel it is necessary.

> >

> >Sincerely,

> >Rhian

> >Willoughby Hills, OH

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In many situations there is no law to treat people in a certain way with medicine, it is the perception that a parent failed to act that may be construed as neglect. This covers a broad spectrum from cancer treatment to vaccination. This is why so many states are pushing to have language in the vaccine exemptions stating that parents understand the risks and benefits of vaccines as presented by the state via the doctor or health dept and are making their choice for an exemption anyway. It creates a paper trail of an informed parent choosing not to protect their child and other children in the community including the immune compromised children for whom infection with a "Vaccine preventable disease" may be life threatening Sounds neglectful to me. Also a set up for criminal charges. Parents

beware of the language in exemption forms. From: "wharrison@..." <wharrison@...> Vaccinations Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Health Department contacting County Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!

And here's a thought, too: Is it illegal to refuse a rabies shot? At least with other vaccines they are mandated for school so you can see how the vaccine pushers can twist that to their benefit. But is a medical treatment (not a vaccine to prevent but a treatment after the fact) like rabies shots--or any kind of medical treatment for that matter--required by law?

I'd ask to see where it is written.

Winnie Health Department contacting County > Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!> > > >> > > > > > > >Hello,> >This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a > baby raccoon out at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The > raccoon made contact with my son's hand, but no marks were > apparent to the naked eye. We washed his hand with soap and > water thoroughly. When I applied iodine (antiviral) to the area > a couple of tiny spots appeared. I was advised by a nurse-on-> call to go get him checked at the hospital. When we went the ER > doctor immediately recommended the rabies series without even > looking at my son's hand. Since the doctor said we had about 24-> 48 hours of window to begin treatment, we declined the shots and > went home to research and

discuss with my husband who had been > out of town. The CDC recommends 1 dose of rabies Immunoglobulin > along with 1 dose of rabies vaccine initially, followed by 3 > doses of vaccine on Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 following the first > treatment. After speaking with the County Health Department and > doing some research into the> disease, we decided to get my son the IG dose as well as the > first vaccine dose. We went to the ER within 24 hours of my > son's exposure. I made sure to get the package inserts for later > review. Based on the type of exposure (provoked), the number of > confirmed cases of rabid raccoons in the area in the past three > years (0), the fact that good wound care is the best defense > against rabies (soap and water, plus antiviral iodine > application), that the IG dose is providing passive resistance > while my son's body starts

antibody production, and that the > package insert (as well as a few studies I found) stated that an > acceptable level of circulating antibodies often is achieved in > one dose, my husband and I felt we more than covered the > possible risk of rabies. However, the woman at the Health > Department does not feel this way, and called me this morning to > tell me that she had contacted the County Prosecutor who may go > to Child Protective Services. I told her> that I would be more than willing to have my son's antibody > levels tested after Day 10 (as this is when his body should be > starting to produce antibodies), but because the CDC > recommendation is doses at DAY 3 and DAY 7 she says there is no > time wait for blood tests that also could take weeks to get > results. A friend who was a county prosecutor has told me that > they can take my son away from

me if they feel his life is in > danger. And the scary thing is, that the woman at the Health > Department is acting like she is going to pursue this to the > fullest extent of her power. At this point, I'm not even sure > she would be satisfied if I agreed to one more dose (his 2nd > dose of vaccine), even though the clinical trials showed 100% of > the participants achieved many time greater titer levels than > recommended by the World Health Organization with just 2 doses > given 1 month apart. Please help me protect my family! Any > advice or names of legal advocacy groups in our> area would be so appreciated. I had contacted NVIC and they > referred me to an attorney familiar with vaccine rights. I don't > think I have much time as Child Protective Services can act > quickly if they feel it is necessary. > >> >Sincerely,>

>Rhian> >Willoughby Hills, OH> >> > > > > >> >

[Guest guest]

My pediatrician when I first had my son (no longer) tried to get me to sign a contract like that. Thank you Sheri! I knew enough not to sign and to tell her "I'd been advised to sign nothing." Worked like a charm. My solution to exemption stuff is being a stay at home mom and homeschooling… I can't figure any other way around signing contracts.On Jun 12, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Boisvert Mackenzie wrote:

In many situations there is no law to treat people in a certain way with medicine, it is the perception that a parent failed to act that may be construed as neglect. This covers a broad spectrum from cancer treatment to vaccination. This is why so many states are pushing to have language in the vaccine exemptions stating that parents understand the risks and benefits of vaccines as presented by the state via the doctor or health dept and are making their choice for an exemption anyway. It creates a paper trail of an informed parent choosing not to protect their child and other children in the community including the immune compromised children for whom infection with a "Vaccine preventable disease" may be life threatening Sounds neglectful to me. Also a set up for criminal charges. Parents

beware of the language in exemption forms. From: "wharrison@..." <wharrison@...> Vaccinations Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: Re: Health Department contacting County Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!

And here's a thought, too: Is it illegal to refuse a rabies shot? At least with other vaccines they are mandated for school so you can see how the vaccine pushers can twist that to their benefit. But is a medical treatment (not a vaccine to prevent but a treatment after the fact) like rabies shots--or any kind of medical treatment for that matter--required by law?

I'd ask to see where it is written.

Winnie Health Department contacting County > Prosecutor/Child Protective Services HELP!> > > >> > > > > > > >Hello,> >This past Wednesday my 5 year old unvaxed son tried to pet a > baby raccoon out at dusk. It turned tried to bite him. The > raccoon made contact with my son's hand, but no marks were > apparent to the naked eye. We washed his hand with soap and > water thoroughly. When I applied iodine (antiviral) to the area > a couple of tiny spots appeared. I was advised by a nurse-on-> call to go get him checked at the hospital. When we went the ER > doctor immediately recommended the rabies series without even > looking at my son's hand. Since the doctor said we had about 24-> 48 hours of window to begin treatment, we declined the shots and > went home to research and

discuss with my husband who had been > out of town. The CDC recommends 1 dose of rabies Immunoglobulin > along with 1 dose of rabies vaccine initially, followed by 3 > doses of vaccine on Day 3, Day 7, and Day 14 following the first > treatment. After speaking with the County Health Department and > doing some research into the> disease, we decided to get my son the IG dose as well as the > first vaccine dose. We went to the ER within 24 hours of my > son's exposure. I made sure to get the package inserts for later > review. Based on the type of exposure (provoked), the number of > confirmed cases of rabid raccoons in the area in the past three > years (0), the fact that good wound care is the best defense > against rabies (soap and water, plus antiviral iodine > application), that the IG dose is providing passive resistance > while my son's body starts

antibody production, and that the > package insert (as well as a few studies I found) stated that an > acceptable level of circulating antibodies often is achieved in > one dose, my husband and I felt we more than covered the > possible risk of rabies. However, the woman at the Health > Department does not feel this way, and called me this morning to > tell me that she had contacted the County Prosecutor who may go > to Child Protective Services. I told her> that I would be more than willing to have my son's antibody > levels tested after Day 10 (as this is when his body should be > starting to produce antibodies), but because the CDC > recommendation is doses at DAY 3 and DAY 7 she says there is no > time wait for blood tests that also could take weeks to get > results. A friend who was a county prosecutor has told me that > they can take my son away from

me if they feel his life is in > danger. And the scary thing is, that the woman at the Health > Department is acting like she is going to pursue this to the > fullest extent of her power. At this point, I'm not even sure > she would be satisfied if I agreed to one more dose (his 2nd > dose of vaccine), even though the clinical trials showed 100% of > the participants achieved many time greater titer levels than > recommended by the World Health Organization with just 2 doses > given 1 month apart. Please help me protect my family! Any > advice or names of legal advocacy groups in our> area would be so appreciated. I had contacted NVIC and they > referred me to an attorney familiar with vaccine rights. I don't > think I have much time as Child Protective Services can act > quickly if they feel it is necessary. > >> >Sincerely,>

>Rhian> >Willoughby Hills, OH> >> > > > > >> >