Crohn's Disease

[Guest guest]

Prof. Hermon St 's Hospital London believes Crohn's is

caused by Mycobacterium paratuberculosis.

He prescribes antibiotics over two years.

Ozone by insufflation would probably help.

There is a monoclonal antibody against Crohn's recently approved by FDA

which gives 6 months remission.

Regards,

Noel.

Noel

89 Royal Parade

P O Box 137

Parkville VIC 3052

Australia

Telephone 03 9347 8444

International 613 9347 8444

Fax 03 9347 8850

International 613 9347 850

Email noelc@...

Sapere Aude: Dare to be wise.

All truth goes through three stages.

First it is ridiculed

Then it is violently opposed

Finally it is accepted as self evident.

Schopenhauer.

Crohn's Disease

From: Gdwny@...

I have a question that I would like to learn more about. I have a friend

that

has emphysema and Crohn's disease. He has been doing well stabilizing the

emphysema but has some problems with the Crohn's disease. In our talking, I

mentioned several herbs and amino acids and he said that he had a problem

that

they caused to be worse. He has a heart arrhythmia that is triggered by the

use on many things both natural and drugs. I was wondering if anyone could

shed some light on this series of problems and whether the use of hyperbaric

02 or ozone would be of use in getting some relief with this. He said that

he

has to eat a great deal of raw fruit to help him but raw vegetables seem to

give him problems. He does eat a great deal of broccoli and it seems to

help.

Thanks for any help that anyone can offer with this. He lives in the state

of

Florida.

Gene Downey

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[Guest guest]

Dearest Gene, I have some wonderful studies on Crohns disease and HBOT,

the Doctor that I admire so just faxed them to me from England I can fax

them to you or I can type them in(Yes I know I need a scanner!) NO time

to shop I am booked until next year!! Let me know

susan

Att. Dr B, do you have some Crohns disease studies on line??

[Guest guest]

We have treated Crohns will success!! give me a day to post the studies

susan

Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics

hyperbaric1@...

[Guest guest]

Please fax me the sturies on 613 9347 8850

Regards,

Noel.

Noel

89 Royal Parade

P O Box 137

Parkville VIC 3052

Australia

Telephone 03 9347 8444

International 613 9347 8444

Fax 03 9347 8850

International 613 9347 850

Email noelc@...

Sapere Aude: Dare to be wise.

All truth goes through three stages.

First it is ridiculed

Then it is violently opposed

Finally it is accepted as self evident.

Schopenhauer.

Re: Crohn's Disease

From: PAT AND SUSAN RODRIGUEZ <hyperbaric1@...>

Dearest Gene, I have some wonderful studies on Crohns disease and HBOT,

the Doctor that I admire so just faxed them to me from England I can fax

them to you or I can type them in(Yes I know I need a scanner!) NO time

to shop I am booked until next year!! Let me know

susan

Att. Dr B, do you have some Crohns disease studies on line??

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/10/99 1:40:26 AM Central Standard Time,

hyperbaric1@... writes:

<< Dearest Gene, I have some wonderful studies on Crohns disease and HBOT,

the Doctor that I admire so just faxed them to me from England I can fax

them to you or I can type them in(Yes I know I need a scanner!) NO time

to shop I am booked until next year!! Let me know

susan

Att. Dr B, do you have some Crohns disease studies on line??

>>

,

I don't want to put you to that much trouble with the typing and all. Let me

see if I can get in touch with this person and have a more direct

communications line between you two.

gene Downey

[Guest guest]

Hi Judy,

I'm sorry to hear about the Crohn's disease. So far, none of us

have Crohns. My mother had IBS and grandmother had Crohn's.

I know of a young woman who was diagnosed with Crohn's at 16. She

is doing quite well now. Support from her friends made a huge

difference to her. She spent days and weeks in the hospital and was

so depressed. Her friends help her feel less lonely and more a part

of a group. The kids used to take their homework and do it in her

room, bring magazine and cd's to her, and call at lunch to say hi.

This, she says made a huge difference. My son, tom, was on her

support team, still is, actually. I could ask her if there is a

support group for youth on the internet, if you think it would help

out.

just what you need, eh? another chronic illness to deal with. sigh.

hugs, wendy, in canada

=======================

My question: do any of your kids have Crohn's disease? You never know

about genetic linkages with some of these things.

Judy

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[Guest guest]

> Thanks for your support, . I am so bummed out over it. There

is a

> teen website, but I visited it and it even scared me. I would

really

> appreciate it if you could inquire of tom's friend or parents

whether there

> are any internet support groups. I feel like I really need one.

>

> Judy

((((lots of hugs))))) to you, Judy.

Joni

[Guest guest]

, thanks! This is extremely exciting! I've been following

the list suggestions for Crohns, compiling and researching

them. Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread. It's

great to gain some understanding and have a variety of promising

approaches to treatment, instead of being mystified and at the

mercy of mainstream medical treatment that is expensive,

potentially harmful and not very effective. It looks to me like

some of the suggested approaches can be advantageously

combined with each other and with one or more of the approaches

Dr. Gregg offers.

Gregg presents quite a compelling case in his paper " Proposed

Biochemical Cause and Remedy for Crohn's Disease and Ulcerative

Colitis " available at the URL provided --

http://www.krysalis-sparx.com/crohn.htm

As is often the case with a fresh approach from outside a given field

(in this case the field of medicine), valid conclusions can be reached

that had been previously overlooked by circumscribed thinking. I like

the way Gregg thinks and presents his case. His credentials are his

education in chemistry and chemical engineering and 30 years of

performing research at a national laboratory, but his case speaks for

itself with or without credentials. I like the way things that are already

known fall into place in support of his various hypotheses. I think we

may have something here and it won't take a heck of a lot of doing to

find out. That's the kind of approach I like! It's also exciting that Gregg

offers not only the possibility of disabling the disease's damage mechanism

(hypothesized as hydroxyl radical damage at the intestinal cellular level),

but also derailing it at its source by hydrolizing protein before consumption.

That may sound complicated but it " boils down " to the simplicity of

pressure cooking or boiling.

He hypothesizes four different causes for Crohns, " each needing substantially

different treatment approaches, " which he proceeds to provide as well, together

with evidence of efficacy. " I don't think anyone treating CD is thinking along

these lines now, " he writes. " It would be powerful to get a community of

research

people working the problem from this viewpoint. "

Gregg's thoughts are economically and logically presented and anyone with

an interest in the subject will appreciate his thorough presentation. He also

provides a link to the work of a Netherlands Crohns sufferer and researcher,

Etwald Goes --

http://www.kalenderweb.nl/crohn/treatment.php3?groepid=1

-- whose findings corroborate Gregg's.

An interchange of dialog with various sources is included in Gregg's

presentation.

Thanks again !

I have a feeling that is going to be very happy when he gets

a load of this!

Green

wrote:

Hi,

You could suggest having a look at this website -

http://www.krysalis-sparx.com/crohn.htm

I don't have any direct experience with his suggestions regarding

crohn's but have had great success with his b12 transdermal

applications, especially with older folk who tend not to digest food well.

[Guest guest]

Hi Green,

I'll only say one thing on the subject...

I have been searching for the 'perfect' diet, the 'perfect' cleanse,

etc, for many years. I recently (about 6 months ago) came across a book

that changed my life completely. It solves once and for all the question

fo why some diets work miraculously for some, no effect for others, and

have disasterous effects on still others.

You may be familiar with it, or one of it's cousins. If so, I hope

you'll take this opportunity to suspend your disbelief, and simply read

the book and apply the principles.

The name of the book is called 'The Metabolic Typing Diet', by Dr.

ph Mercola. It's cousin is called 'Eat Right for your Type'. The

concept is similar, but takes it much farther. Now, I'm not a Mercola

worshiper, but imnsho he does provide a lot of great information. Also,

he is not the orginator of this diet/concept, his books simply brings a

lot of the disparate pieces together under one roof so to speak.

The fact is, heredity *does* play a part in what foods are best for us,

and another fact is, one size does *not* fit all where diet is

concerned. Some people *need* a high fat, high protein diet, while this

kind of diet is poison to another. It just makes sense when you read it.

Anyway, imnsho, there are two major aspects to wellness:

1. Proper Diet, and

2. Effective Cleansing

In order to be successful in regaining/retaining perfect health, both

aspects must be employed, and everyone who does so reaps the rewards

precisely to the degree that they *correctly* employ them. By

'correctly', I don't mean to disparage anyone who is still struggling

under one of a thousand misconceptions that are floating around out

there - I too have been swimming upstream in the dark for most of my

life. But the fact is, it doesn't really matter to your body *why* you

are doing something correctly or incorrectly - it simple responds

appropriately.

I hope you see some value to this, and that your friend decides to give

it a try. It does require some effort - identifying your correct

metabolic type is not a brain-dead simple matter, but thankfully it

isn't expensive (the book contains all the information you need) or

beyong the ability of the average person either. Then, following the

correct diet may at first be difficult - moreso for some than others -

for example, a vegetarian that finds out they should be eating meat and

animal fats may have a hard time adjusting (or flat out refuse), but

once you start, the results come so quickly and are so pronounced that

within a very short time, the person is absolutely convinced and will

never look back.

Try it, you'll like it...

> My friend , in his early twenties, came down a year or so ago

> with Crohn's disease, and it hasn't been any picnic. He explains

> it to me as a disease in which the body's immune system attacks its

> digestive system, involving, at times, serious pain and wasting.

> Even on five meals a day, during the worst of it, was losing

> weight rapidly. His entire digestive system was ulcerated and

> extremely tender. He was actually wondering if he was going

> survive it. It was really touch and go for awhile there. But over

> a period of months he somehow got a handle on it and pulled through

> to a more or less normal life -- though limited as to diet. No

> cheese, no milk -- stuff like that.

>

> But here a couple of weeks ago he started feeling those familiar

> pains again -- in response to some " cheating " he'd been doing on

> his diet. It's hard to consistently deny yourself things you love

> to eat, like ice cream and pizza, you know? And it didn't take

> long for the condition to get bad enough to send him back to his

> doctor. Who confirmed 's relapse and gave him an intravenous

> infusion of -- what was it -- I can't remember the name, something

> euphemistically named, something that blocks the immune system in

> order to give the digestive system some relief from attack and time

> to heal. Meanwhile, the recipient takes on whatever risks a

> compromised immune system may entail.

>

> And he's such a beautiful guy, so intelligent, respectful,

> friendly, capable. Life is hard enough without the physical

> maladies that we struggle with.

>

> Right now is trying to further research his condition and

> explore diet alternatives. He's really somewhat at a loss, not

> being able to financially afford a specialized diet, and casting

> about among various possibilities, largely on a trial and error

> basis. But the disease is apparently pretty individualized. And

> the price of any " mistakes " can be high. Last time, for him, the

> price was an extended period of hell that he'd just as soon forego

> this time around.

>

> is a member of my teenage kids' inner circle and he works

> with me getting firewood sometimes -- my living, for now, and his.

>

> And he doesn't presently have internet access, and can't afford it

> right now. And as a matter of fact, I myself am hanging onto

> internet access only by the skin of my teeth.

>

> I've told him about the power of self and mutual help using the

> internet, and it's not an altogether new idea for him. I told him

> about oxyplus, what a wonderful mutual help community it is, and

> what a wealth of experience and knowledge it represents, and how

> limited and questionable mainstream medicine's offerings can be.

> He does understand.

>

> I told him I'd put the word on his condition into the community and

> see what help might come. Right now, he's trying to figure out

> what he can safely eat. Apparently it's a balance between what he

> needs nutritionally and what he can get away with eating without

> exacerbating his Crohn's disease.

>

> I'll pass on to any thoughts, suggestions, ideas, experience

> that you'd care to share.

>

> Thanks for the help.

>

> My best wishes to you all --

>

> Green

[Guest guest]

but

> once you start, the results come so quickly and are so pronounced

that

> within a very short time, the person is absolutely convinced and

will

> never look back.

==========================

, what are the results? I mean is it health, weight loss,

both, what? Thanks, gail

[Guest guest]

Hi . You know the interesting thing to me about these two

approaches is that in one I am supposed to be a vegetarian and the other

I am supposed to be mostly a meat eater. Earlier in my life I was a

vegetarian, nearly died and turned into a major meat eater. Smile. Now

I live somewhere in between.

Blessings

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

Marcus wrote:

> Hi Green,

>

> I'll only say one thing on the subject...

>

>

> The name of the book is called 'The Metabolic Typing Diet', by Dr.

> ph Mercola. It's cousin is called 'Eat Right for your Type'.

> <http://www.nod32.com>

[Guest guest]

That webpage is interesting and I remember reading it before.

I've been taking melatonin anyway for sleep lately but I notice it

works better if I skip a few nights then take it. If I take it every

night it starts to have less effect. I did notice greater well being

but I figured that was because I was sleeping better.

Does anybody know where you get DMSO cream or pig powder ?

[Guest guest]

It has been my experience that Crohn's is a function of anxiety. I have used

C3C4 alphasynchrony, and t7t8 (3,4) 2ch squash with good success. Followed up

with AT training at Pz)or Oz). I have found these folks to suffer OCD as

comorbidity.

Bill

" Malcolm McEnery " <malcolm@...> wrote:

>I have a young lady (22) coming in to see me with anxiety issues.  She has

>Crohn's disease.  Has anybody had any experience with this disease, who

>could steer me towards appropriate process?

>

>Regards,

>

>Mal McEnery,

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bill,

Do you do the C3C4 alpha synchrony traing with eyes closed? Ditto

for T3T4 2 ch squash?

Rosemary

>

> >I have a young lady (22) coming in to see me with anxiety

issues.  She has

> >Crohn's disease.  Has anybody had any experience with this

disease, who

> >could steer me towards appropriate process?

> >

> >Regards,

> >

> >Mal McEnery,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

As you all know Liz ( my daughter) recently passed away with crohn's

disease. I imagine there is someone in this group who has the disease

too. I have gone way back in my mind to find a time when this disease

started hitting her but I don't know for sure what the symptoms are.

Can someone tell me what was happening to them when they went to a dr

and found out they had it please. Liz's disease worked differently on

her than most people.She had constipation instead of diareah and weight

gain instead of loss. I have read a lot of testimonials and have not

seen the first person say they had the same problem. The surgeon told

me she had a very aggressive form of crohn's that worked fast like

cancer does. For many years the system would not help Liz with

medication because " she made too much money " . I feel that is why her

disease became so aggressive. Anything ,if not treated,can become

aggressive.

I am so broken hearted. Someone want to chat with me?

Betty

[Guest guest]

Sure, we can chat, Betty. i will add you to my .

Jackie

--- ulden1 <ulden1@...> wrote:

> As you all know Liz ( my daughter) recently passed

> away with crohn's

> disease. I imagine there is someone in this group

> who has the disease

> too. I have gone way back in my mind to find a time

> when this disease

> started hitting her but I don't know for sure what

> the symptoms are.

> Can someone tell me what was happening to them when

> they went to a dr

> and found out they had it please. Liz's disease

> worked differently on

> her than most people.She had constipation instead of

> diareah and weight

> gain instead of loss. I have read a lot of

> testimonials and have not

> seen the first person say they had the same problem.

> The surgeon told

> me she had a very aggressive form of crohn's that

> worked fast like

> cancer does. For many years the system would not

> help Liz with

> medication because " she made too much money " . I

> feel that is why her

> disease became so aggressive. Anything ,if not

> treated,can become

> aggressive.

> I am so broken hearted. Someone want to chat with

> me?

> Betty

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Betty I am so sad for you, to lose a child is devastating I lost mine in 1972, a victim of Vietnam

Anne

[Guest guest]

It seems pretty common among the families of these children as it's

autoimmune DX.

Sucess, yes. Treated the same as the children and do check out

www.low dose naltrexone.org

>

> Has anyone here had any success treating Crohn's?

>

[Guest guest]

The DR. WE SEE HERE IN HOUSTON, CURED HIMSELF WITH THE SPECIFIC

CARBOHYDRATE DIET EMPHASIZING THE GOATS MILK YOGURT… WE ARE ALSO DOING

THE DIET FOR ONE YEAR NOW. AND MY SON NO LONGER HAS BLOOD IN HIS STOOL AND HIS

LEAKY GUT HAS IMPROVED FROM A LEVEL 4 TO A LEVEL 2, WE ARE SO EXCITED ABOUT

THE CHANGES IN HIM… HOPE THIS HELPS…

CORINNE

From:

EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of chickeeta44

Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006

1:33 AM

EOHarm

Subject: Crohn's Disease

Has anyone here had any success treating Crohn's?

[Guest guest]

It's good to hear that your son is doing better on the scd diet! I was going to suggest trying the scd diet to chickeeta myself. Every once in awhile, I manage to make a plug for the scd diet in the BMJ's Rapid Responses, as I believe it is a worthwhile consideration/intervention for a variety of intestinal problems. Aasa http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/333/7563/340Corinne Vela <corinnevela@...> wrote: The DR. WE SEE HERE IN HOUSTON, CURED HIMSELF WITH THE SPECIFIC CARBOHYDRATE DIET EMPHASIZING THE GOATS MILK YOGURT… WE ARE ALSO DOING THE DIET FOR ONE YEAR NOW. AND MY SON NO LONGER HAS BLOOD IN HIS STOOL AND HIS LEAKY GUT HAS IMPROVED FROM A LEVEL 4 TO A LEVEL 2, WE ARE SO EXCITED ABOUT THE CHANGES IN HIM… HOPE THIS HELPS… CORINNE From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of chickeeta44Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 1:33 AMEOHarm Subject: Crohn's Disease Has anyone here had any success treating Crohn's?

[Guest guest]

It's good to hear that your son is doing better on the scd diet! I was going to suggest trying the scd diet to chickeeta myself. Every once in awhile, I manage to make a plug for the scd diet in the BMJ's Rapid Responses, as I believe it is a worthwhile consideration/intervention for a variety of intestinal problems. Aasa http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/333/7563/340Corinne Vela <corinnevela@...> wrote: The DR. WE SEE HERE IN HOUSTON, CURED HIMSELF WITH THE SPECIFIC CARBOHYDRATE DIET EMPHASIZING THE GOATS MILK YOGURT… WE ARE ALSO DOING THE DIET FOR ONE YEAR NOW. AND MY SON NO LONGER HAS BLOOD IN HIS STOOL AND HIS LEAKY GUT HAS IMPROVED FROM A LEVEL 4 TO A LEVEL 2, WE ARE SO EXCITED ABOUT THE CHANGES IN HIM… HOPE THIS HELPS… CORINNE From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of chickeeta44Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 1:33 AMEOHarm Subject: Crohn's Disease Has anyone here had any success treating Crohn's?

[Guest guest]

thank you!Corinne Vela <corinnevela@...> wrote: The DR. WE SEE HERE IN HOUSTON, CURED HIMSELF WITH THE SPECIFIC CARBOHYDRATE DIET EMPHASIZING THE GOATS MILK YOGURT… WE ARE ALSO DOING THE DIET FOR ONE YEAR NOW. AND MY SON NO LONGER HAS BLOOD IN HIS STOOL AND HIS LEAKY GUT HAS IMPROVED FROM A LEVEL 4

TO A LEVEL 2, WE ARE SO EXCITED ABOUT THE CHANGES IN HIM… HOPE THIS HELPS… CORINNE From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of chickeeta44 Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 1:33 AM EOHarm Subject: Crohn's Disease Has anyone here had any success treating Crohn's?

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[Guest guest]

I DON’T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY HEALTH

PROBLEMS, BUT I CURED MY ENDIMETRIOSIS BY BEING ON THE DIET ALONG WITH MY

SON. I ONLY EAT BREAD IF I GO TO A FANCY RESTAURANT AND THEN I AM SICK FOR

ABOUT A WEEK, INTERESTING….THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR NICE MESSAGE…

CORINNE

From:

EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Aasa

Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006

10:54 PM

EOHarm

Subject: RE: Crohn's

Disease

It's good to hear that your son is doing better on the scd diet! I was

going to suggest trying the scd diet to chickeeta myself. Every once in awhile,

I manage to make a plug for the scd diet in the BMJ's Rapid Responses, as I

believe it is a worthwhile consideration/intervention for a variety of

intestinal problems. Aasa

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/333/7563/340

Corinne Vela

<corinnevelahouston (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

The DR. WE SEE HERE IN HOUSTON,

CURED HIMSELF WITH THE SPECIFIC CARBOHYDRATE DIET EMPHASIZING THE GOATS

MILK YOGURT… WE ARE ALSO DOING THE DIET FOR ONE YEAR NOW. AND MY

SON NO LONGER HAS BLOOD IN HIS STOOL AND HIS LEAKY GUT HAS IMPROVED FROM A

LEVEL 4 TO A LEVEL 2, WE ARE SO EXCITED ABOUT THE CHANGES IN HIM…

HOPE THIS HELPS…

CORINNE

From:

EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of chickeeta44

Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006

1:33 AM

EOHarm

Subject: Crohn's Disease

Has anyone here had any success treating Crohn's?

[Guest guest]

Dear Wes,

It is neither hereditary nor incurable.

The more drugs he takes the worse it will be.

He needs slippery elm and aloe vera to start with to get the inflammation to

calm down. After six weeks of that, he will be ready to move on to ozone.

A series of liver cleanses will help speed the process.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

Crohn's disease

Saul or anybody have any experience with crohn's disease? i just found

out that i have a 15 yr old nephew that has it. supposidly one of the

worst cases his dr has seen.. from throat to rectum. they say it's

uncurable & hereditary. they have him on low level chemo now and say he

will have to have treatments for the rest of his life! any input

appreciated.

wes

[Guest guest]

Fine clay for internal use will CURE it in no time, as I have seen with the wife

of a friend of mine.

He should take as much as is possible, without getting constipated.

One gram of clay + one gram of vit C might be the right balance (every hour).

Chemo ............... What a bunch of idiots.

DCH

Crohn's disease

Saul or anybody have any experience with crohn's disease? i just found

out that i have a 15 yr old nephew that has it. supposidly one of the

worst cases his dr has seen.. from throat to rectum. they say it's

uncurable & hereditary. they have him on low level chemo now and say he

will have to have treatments for the rest of his life! any input

appreciated.

wes