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I think mine is from tx rather than hcv (type 1, stage 1), but I have swelling & rash in my lower legs.

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Faith is the ability to not panic.

-----Original Message-----From: bill [mailto:driveme4awhile@...] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:21 AMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: (unknown)hi all i was just wondering if anyone with hep c has had any swelling and rash like symp. with it. iam typ 1b stage 3 thank you

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In a message dated 1/18/2005 12:54:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,

bl.godfrey@... writes:

Has anyone heard more about Bill? I miss him and hope he's ok.

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I was wondering too!

Beth

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In a message dated 1/25/2005 11:37:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

brink@... writes:

Just wanted to assure everyone that Bill is fine and appreciates everyone's

concern.

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That's good to hear, . Thanks for letting us know.

Beth

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Hi Rovenea,

Since Bill is dealing with more pressing matters at this time I'd have to

say no, it won't be up soon.

H.

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Glad to know he is doing well. Will he get his site back up soon?

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Great to have you back. I often wondered what you were up to.... Sorry to hear the family could be better - but glad you are here again!!!

~guin

P.S. Hugs to Martha!

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Well I have been trying the humor bit lately. Doc told me it would be good. In fact we had a little humorous go round in his office. Well, a couple of the "older" gentalmen in the complex have come down to sit and speak with me to help ease the lonelyness. So, being the dirty old lady that I am I continued the conversation that the doc had with me. I never laughed so hard as how quickly the guys took off. Humor is good.

Gail

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All:

Thank you for all the off-forum compliments on my attempts at being funny. I really do appreciate the kind words, but I think many of us fail to realize that these posts are very serious. Humor is becoming an increasingly important tool medically in the treatment of physiological ailments as well as psychological ones. Ever since Norman Cousins, the intellectual (And don't you forget it!) editor of the Saturday Review, published his personal experiences with humor as therapy forty years ago, humor has increasingly been viewed by the medical propfession in muych the same way as is exercise. The studies have even gone so far as to propose that regular and deep laughter can help in the body's fight to keep cancer at bay.

Well, I doubt that my drivel will ever cure anyone from anything, except maybe from reading my e-mails. But humor is absolutely acknowledged as a major stress reliever, and stress is considered by many to be an underlying cause of many breakdowns in the human immune system. Still those of us who believe in the preventative and curative powers of laughter are growing in numbers, something that sees laughter more as an added component and not the root of medical good.

All of us in this group have dealt with physical problems and the natural attendant ones that come with living on the edge. Humor may be our only refuge in times of worry and our only defense against depression. I have been doing my silliness since junior high and my immune system has rarely failed me. I do not get colds or the flu with very few exceptions over the past fifty years. I have only been depressed one time in my life, and that was as a post-operative side effect of my meds. I tell people that I do not suffer from depression--I'm a carrier.

So unless someone wants me to quit the sophomoric (I'm sick of being a sophomore. I'd like to get sent back to where I was a fresh man, but I don't think this body can handle those slaps anymore.) humor, I'll continue. We all need to laugh more. Well maybe not that much more. I did take down the full length mirror by the bathroom shower.

From California where the difference between farce and satire is that everyone knows that farce isn't true and everyone wants to believe that satire is true.

Bill

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Well I have been trying the humor bit lately. Doc told me it would be good. In fact we had a little humorous go round in his office. Well, a couple of the "older" gentalmen in the complex have come down to sit and speak with me to help ease the lonelyness. So, being the dirty old lady that I am I continued the conversation that the doc had with me. I never laughed so hard as how quickly the guys took off. Humor is good.

Gail

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All:

Thank you for all the off-forum compliments on my attempts at being funny. I really do appreciate the kind words, but I think many of us fail to realize that these posts are very serious. Humor is becoming an increasingly important tool medically in the treatment of physiological ailments as well as psychological ones. Ever since Norman Cousins, the intellectual (And don't you forget it!) editor of the Saturday Review, published his personal experiences with humor as therapy forty years ago, humor has increasingly been viewed by the medical propfession in muych the same way as is exercise. The studies have even gone so far as to propose that regular and deep laughter can help in the body's fight to keep cancer at bay.

Well, I doubt that my drivel will ever cure anyone from anything, except maybe from reading my e-mails. But humor is absolutely acknowledged as a major stress reliever, and stress is considered by many to be an underlying cause of many breakdowns in the human immune system. Still those of us who believe in the preventative and curative powers of laughter are growing in numbers, something that sees laughter more as an added component and not the root of medical good.

All of us in this group have dealt with physical problems and the natural attendant ones that come with living on the edge. Humor may be our only refuge in times of worry and our only defense against depression. I have been doing my silliness since junior high and my immune system has rarely failed me. I do not get colds or the flu with very few exceptions over the past fifty years. I have only been depressed one time in my life, and that was as a post-operative side effect of my meds. I tell people that I do not suffer from depression--I'm a carrier.

So unless someone wants me to quit the sophomoric (I'm sick of being a sophomore. I'd like to get sent back to where I was a fresh man, but I don't think this body can handle those slaps anymore.) humor, I'll continue. We all need to laugh more. Well maybe not that much more. I did take down the full length mirror by the bathroom shower.

From California where the difference between farce and satire is that everyone knows that farce isn't true and everyone wants to believe that satire is true.

Bill

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sending again.

Hi, I am new here, and in need of some help....

Hi,

Our Son is 3 1/2yrs old and has 78 degs curviture of the spine.

He has been in Braces and body casts since he was 16 months old.

We will be visiting the Shriners Children Hospital in Erie, Pa. on

November 6th in hopes of getting a new type of body cast that will

reduce the curviture enouph that he will not need the surgery to

implant metal rods in his back.

This is an xray of my sons back taken on 09-06-06.

http://flickr.com/photos/wam86/261636917/

My wife and I would like to know of any good questions that we should

be asking that we have not all ready.

If any one has any experiances or problems they had that they think

could help us, please let us know.

Thankyou.

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Bill,

How did everything go yesterday with your son and his four hour pass? We are

all rooting for him!

sabine clasen <sabcla15@...> wrote:

Hi Bill,

I had no time during last week but read your update on your son being

hospitalized. Just wanted to let you know that please do not feel bad because

you brought him for inpatient treatment! There are limitations for outpatient

treatment and I am sure you did everything you were able to do.

It is the most important thing that he gets the help he needs and hopefully this

will help him to get back to a more normal life.

Also, it is not unusual to medicate and sedate people who are in a crisis. That

always sounds so horrible but it is not to make him " just be quiet " but to give

him a rest from all his stress!

sabine

justlivey <justlivey@...> wrote: Hi,

Thanks so much for the words of encouragement. He has been there

since Tuesday and we still know nothing. He had to be completely

sedated yesterday in order to get an MRI. First time they tried he

screamed when the noise started and begged to get out. Blood was drawn

on Wed. but no tests back yet. I had no idea a PANDAS test could take

so long. He gets a four hour pass out of the hospital today so we are

leaving soon to pick him up. He will be suprised to see his four year

old sister, those two are so close. I think we will take him out for

lunch. I am so thankful for a wonder group of friends that I have met

on this site. Please continue to pray.

Thanks Bill

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Everyone is raving about the all-new .

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Boy do I know about Caterpillars! You know being on a "farm" and all!

I waived to you yesterday -- Did you see me as I raced down the Freeway past 's Soup!!!!!

Yup we were on our way to Disneyland -- well we are down here to look at colleges, but ya gotta have fun too! BUT boy is it crowded -- all those spring break people! -- oh yea that's us too!

See ya soon -- I'll waive again on Sunday!!!

~guin

Re: Pacing

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From: Crone

> when I get paced it feels

> like a butterfly is trying to

> escape from my chest.

.

Just be glad it's a butterfly and not a caterpillar. those caterpillar tractors are a lot bigger, make noise and emit gasses that will ruin your social life unless you really like farmers and their dirty boots.

On a more serious note, welcome to the group. this is wghere everyone who has an AICD should be, simply because the feedback is from those who have been there and had that done to them. There are a few people besides Duffy and Turk who are absoluytely outstanding as guides through the dark days of zapperdom. Mike Hiranuma is a wealth of technical knowledge combined with comforting common sense, and Lightningpaw (Stacie) has been a true inspiration to us old guys and gals since she was but a sixteen year old. Like Mike, she has a huge amount of knowledge from personal experience that belies her young years. Then there are the Guins and and Berccas and all the others who jump in to make us all feel good because they've gone through it themselves. After you've been in the group for a while, they'll warn you about my bad jokes and worse puns. Hopefully I won't offend anyone, but if I ever do feel free to tell me off. I would certainly benefit from that. I'll strill do "my thing," but I'll be more careful.

From California where having a butterfly in your chest is better than having a bee in yor bonnet or a bug . . .

Bill

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From: Guin Van Dyke

> I waived to you yesterday --

> Did you see me as I raced

> down the Freeway past

> 's Soup!

Sorry, guin I missed it. Bad habit of mine not paying attention to all the people that wave at me. too many don't use all there fingers when they do.

From California where i always wanted to WAVE, but I joined the Air force and had to WAFfle instead. (In a rare moment of good taste, I decided not to make a joke about women in the Army.)

Bill

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>> From California where i always wanted to WAVE, but I joined the Air

>> force and had to WAFfle instead.  (In a rare moment of good taste, I

>> decided not to make a joke about women in the Army.)

Good thing or you would have gotten WAC-ed.

Lynn S.

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Oh boy - we are in trouble -- Bill AND Lynn....

Thanks for all the humor,

~guin

Be looking for your WAVE on Sunday Bill!

~guin

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>> From California where i always wanted to WAVE, but I joined the Air >> force and had to WAFfle instead. (In a rare moment of good taste, I >> decided not to make a joke about women in the Army.)Good thing or you would have gotten WAC-ed.Lynn S.------Mama, homeschooler, writer, activist, spinner & knitterhttp://www.siprelle.comNOTICE: The National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice.

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Bill,

tx won’t cure any of us. The virus will always be with us.

Some of our livers will get a longer rest than others if we clear. The

best any of us can hope for is to stop the damage or maybe reverse it a tiny

bit by stopping the dragon from chomping on it.

My

anti-dep is Lexapro.

/De

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Gone before I started now back again

HIya

Yes your right its muggy

yes I am a worrier and a paniker.Unfortuneatly it can't cure me as I am

Cirrohsis A however like Suzie says it may give my Liver some rest which

could drag out getting to B a

longer time frame . So I know I have to do it.Its very nice to meet you and

realize your in my area and age.

thank you is not enough but for now

..What do you use for an anti Depressant ?

Regards

Bill

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Bill,

tx won’t cure any of us. The virus will always be with us.

Some of our livers will get a longer rest than others if we clear. The

best any of us can hope for is to stop the damage or maybe reverse it a tiny

bit by stopping the dragon from chomping on it.

My

anti-dep is Lexapro.

/De

Re:

Gone before I started now back again

HIya

Yes your right its muggy

yes I am a worrier and a paniker.Unfortuneatly it can't cure me as I am

Cirrohsis A however like Suzie says it may give my Liver some rest which

could drag out getting to B a

longer time frame . So I know I have to do it.Its very nice to meet you and

realize your in my area and age.

thank you is not enough but for now

..What do you use for an anti Depressant ?

Regards

Bill

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Well said, and welcome back Bill. ;-)

xx Gayle

> Bill wrote

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> Yea I have a daughter 44 and a grandson 27

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> As far as I am concerned your all kids here on this group that is

one of reasons I left in the beginning.I was looking for old folks

but they are not many anywhere.

> The other side of the coin is I feel younger for it especially

where history is concerned no I was here for the Declaration of

Independence or the Civil war on World

> War 2 parts there of .

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> Regards

> Bill

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Hi Bill

Why would you have to do tx for 2 yrs??..48 to 52 weeks is the norm..just wondering..thanks, Patty

my tests

I think my liver doctor after this next Biopsy will know for sure what is happening and he will tell me good or bad.

My internist knows addmittedly nothing about liver disease or HEP C he is just talking about my physical condition

based on everything elese but my liver and my condition necessary to do TX and nothing more. I'll know the answer on

9/11When my Liver specialists from Hopkins reads the slides and tells me where I am . For all I know I could be on my

last day or my first I don't know .If its bad its bad nobody lives for ever. but if TX will even give me a break

maybe I will do 2 years and probably take my first shot on the 12th.

Regards

Bill

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Hi, Bill!Thanks for your e-mail! I can understand you had a great conference call. It would have been great hearing your voices!I will try the skype.com, but don´t you need a computer camera for the skype, or you can make calls without it?I would love to join, if just the time would be possible (can´t call at night, then I wake my kids up).How are you Bill?I am quite ok. My small one is being treated with hydrocortison and is much better. My 8 year old has some lesions but very small and we don´t know at all what it is. So far no lesions on me or husband for a long time (hardly dare to say it..)Take care!CeciliaFrom: Doe <doe1769@...>bird mites Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 4:33 AMSubject: Re: Aggi

Hi Cecelia

How are you , wish you guys were at the confrence call. Maybe try this www.skype.com is only a $ 10.00 deposit to join which is applied to your minutes (100 for $10.00 ), it is aproximately .10 cents per minute to talk , if that much.

I hope everything is getting better

God Bless you Cecelia ,

Bill

ps

good story :

This gives you goose bumps

An Angel Walked the Beat Tonight

A drunk man in an Oldsmobile

They said had run the light

That caused the six-car pileup

On 109 that night.

When broken bodies lay about

And blood was everywhere,

The sirens screamed out elegies,

For death was in the air.

mother, trapped inside her car,

Was heard above the noise;

Her plaintive plea near split the air:

"Oh, God, please spare my boys!"

She fought to loose her pinned hands;

She struggled to get free

But mangled metal held her fast

In grim captivity.

Her frightened eyes then focused

On where the back seat once had been,

But all she saw was broken glass and

Two children's seats crushed in.

Her twins were nowhere to be seen;

She did not hear them cry,

And then she prayed they'd been thrown free,

"Oh, God, don't let them die!"

Then firemen came and cut her loose

But when they searched the back,

They found therein no little boys,

But the seat belts were intact.

They thought the woman had gone mad

And was traveling alone,

But when they turned to question her,

They discovered she was gone.

Policemen saw her running wild

And screaming above the noise

In beseeching supplication,

"Please help me find my boys!

They're four years old and wear blue shirts;

Their jeans are blue to match."

One cop spoke up, "They're in my car,

And they don't have a scratch.

They said their daddy put them there

And gave them each a cone,

Then told them both to wait for Mom

To come and take them home.

I've searched the area high and low,

But I can't find their dad.

He must have fled the scene,

I guess, and that is very bad."

The mother hugged the twins and said,

While wiping at a tear,

"He could not flee the scene, you see

For he's been dead a year."

The cop just looked confused and asked,

"Now, how can that be true?"

The boys said, "Mommy, Daddy came

And left a kiss for you.

He told us not to worry

And that you would be all right,

And then he put us in this car with

The pretty, flashing light.

We wanted him to stay with us,

Because we miss him so,

But Mommy, he just hugged us tight

And said he had to go.

He said someday we'd understand

And told us not to fuss,

And he said to tell you, Mommy,

He's watching over us."

The mother knew without a doubt

That what they spoke was true,

For she recalled their dad's last words,

"I will watch over you."

The firemen's notes could not explain

The twisted, mangled car,

And how the three of them escaped

Without a single scar.

But on the cop's report was scribed,

In print so very fine,

An angel walked the beat tonight

On Highway 109.

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare ."

On Wed Nov 2nd, 2011 2:00 AM EDT Cecilia Borg wrote:>THanks, Aandraya!>It seems like you had a great group-conversation the other day:)>Cecilia>>>________________________________>From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>>"bird mites " <bird mites >>Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:09 AM>Subject: Re: Aggi>>> >Cecilia->I believe iHerb.com sells those products. >Aandraya>>>>>On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:>>> >>Where do I find that?>>>>>>KR>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>________________________________>>From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>>>"bird mites " <bird mites >>>Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:27 PM>>Subject: Re: Aggi>>>>>> >>Try Banderol and Samento tinctures from the Cowden

protocol, these work for Lyme and Bartonella. Lyme and Bart usually are seen together.>>>>Aandraya>>>>On Oct 15, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Cecilia Borg

<ceciliaborg@...> wrote:>>>>>> >>>Thanks !>>>It probably is something internal as well, but it is so hard to know what it is and how to deal with it.>>>At least it doesn´t seem to be mites anymore. We don´t get the itching and other mite-problems anymore.>>>So Bartonella could excist without lyme..didn´t know. Unfortunately they won´t test for lyme, and what I understand you cant test for Bartonella or Babesia- it is only clinical- is that right?>>>Thanks for caring LInda. I really hope you feel better now.>>>Hugs>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 5:05 PM>>>Subject: Re: Aggi>>>>>>>>> >>>I just wish I knew the answer to that Cecilia. I think this stuff on your daughter is not just external, but internal as well, but I don't know the source of it. I pray that she and

your family do not have Lyme... just wondering myself. There was a study recently that said that even some dust mites can carry Bartonella, but I had Lyme Disease pre-existing birdmites. It may be that when we got the infestation that we got the Bartonella later because my symptoms changed after exposure to the mites. (I am just speculating here)... so it is possible to have just Bartonella without the Lyme. Cats carry Bartonella, but I've also heard that some "bacteria and fungi" are jumping species. Maybe Krys can answer why they are jumping species, or maybe they have always done that to some extent.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 1:04:47 AM>>>Subject: Re: Aggi>>>>>> >>>No, we didn´t. They are not intereted in doing that, unfortunately.>>>Thanks for asking. >>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>(do you think it

could be something like that for us as well?)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:06 AM>>>Subject: Re: Aggi>>>>>>>>> >>>Cecilia,>>>>>>>>>Did you or your family get tested for Lyme Disease or coinfections? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:18:50 AM>>>Subject: Aggi>>>>>> >>>Hi ,Aggi!>>>Great to hear a report from you. >>>Here is even colder around 5degrees C, but a clear fine day:)>>>I am really glad to year you´re so well and are not bothered by the mites anymore. Superb!>>>My 8-year old has some staph-lesions on and off, but they are only small blisters and heal quickly with the bleach-baths.

>>>Otherwise she is healthy now. My 2 year

old has a starnge skin after all this and sometimes gets small blisters as well, but that doesn´t seem to be staph. >>>They disappear normally after a week. >>>She is also healthy otherwise, so I´m really glad about it.>>>I don´t get much bothered anymore either. Occasional itching at the scalp, but that is I guess normal and I guess a leftover from the times when it was a lot from the mites. It keeps getting better and I haven´t had any bites for months (crossing my fingers).>>>Take care Aggi!>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>From: Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...>>>>"bird mites " <bird mites >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:57 PM>>>Subject: Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi Guys,>>> >>>Just felt like sending you all a big, warm hug, because here in Germany the temperature has dropped down to 13° C and today it has just been dreadful outside, raining cats and dogs ;-) Have been missing you, but haven't

got much to report. Just keep taking the Itraconazole patiently and watch myself getting better. I do not get bothered much by mites anymore, some occasional bites still, but they are not that much attracted to me any longer. I am so grateful for having my life back, it feels odd now, sitting somewhere and not getting attacked by the monsters or going to bed without the usual preparation rituals.>>> >>>I so much hope you will all be able to find your "magic bullet", keep crossing my fingers !!>>> >>>My boyfriend just had his nose done... no beauty op, but polyps removed :-) After 3 hours he could leave the hospital already and that after having been knocked out. I found that extremely remarkable plus he is healing really, really well. The only thing is that they could grow back quickly, so let's hope for the best.>>> >>>P.S. Still keep up cleaning and washing procedures, just in case ...>>>

>>> >>>>>>>>>Von: Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>>>>An:

"bird mites " <bird mites >>>>Gesendet: 21:12 Sonntag, 9.Oktober 2011 >>>Betreff: Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi, !>>>Happy to hear it´s getting better with the crawling sensations. Bleach baths wouldn´t take care of that, but it really has helped us to lessen the staph, so if that´s what you have I would give it a try. 3 times a week one 3/4 tub of water with 1 cup of clorine.>>>Take care!>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 5:43 PM>>>Subject: Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi Cecilia, >>>>>>>>>Yes, it is a beautiful thing that Krys's mum is getting support from her hubbie... that is so right... we say here in our marriage vows,"for better or for worse" and I do believe that. I'm still getting little sores too still and I've got the biofilm - I wonder how much of it is staph

and how much is other stuff, other bacterias, etc. I haven't tried the bleach baths as I've been too busy trying to figure out what I'm doing with all the Lyme treatment, but the crawling sensations are quite a bit less than they were. It is diminishing and it has only been 2 weeks on the meds. >>>>>>>>>It is just good to hear all of your "voices" - you all are always in my thoughts.>>>>>>>>>Aggi: I so wish I were in Germany right now... everything is so beautiful there with the autumn right around the corner. It is a sight to behold. Sigh...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:04:45 PM>>>Subject: Re: To Krys!>>>>>> >>>Hi, Krys!>>>I´m glad it´s not too bad for your mum. I hope she get´s the house sold soon. Also great that your stepfather is "on the track" helping with the spraying. >>>My daughter is not completely healed and some

of us other family members gets a small staff-lesion once in a while, but it´s nott too bad. Only small blisters and not big lesions. We keep going with bleach-baths and it sort of keeps it down, even if it hasn´t cured it totally.>>>It sometimes gets to my head: Can it be mites anyway, but we don´t feel crawlings and bitings, so it just shouldn´t be. I guess after having to deal with the mites for a long time, they stay "in your brain" for a while...>>>Thanks for answering and say hello to your mum.>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 3:12

AM>>>Subject: Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi Cecilia,>>>>>>Kind of you to ask after my mum. Thank you. >>>Things with my mother are currently not too bad, but my stepfather is spraying heavily on a regular basis. I think they're more like holding their own rather than really solving the problem.>>>The house

hasn't sold as yet; I'm surprised really because it is in quite a saleable area being countryish, yet within easy commuting distance of London. >>>How is your daughter's staph infection? I hope the doctors have managed to get rid of it for her.>>>Take care,>>>Krys>>>>>>On 5 October 2011 04:22, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:>>>>>> >>>>Hi, Krys!>>>>Just wanted to know how your mum is doing? Has she succeeded in selling her house?>>>>Send her my warm thoughts!>>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>>>>>bird mites >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 4:15 AM>>>>Subject: Re: Roofers and more tiny mites Need HELP ASAP>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>The bird mites D. gallinae or O. Sylvarium are visible to the naked eye, even the nymphs, albeit very small & kind of transparent/skin colour, are visible if you get them in the right light; the adults are about the size of a grain of salt; they

look like tiny specks which move. Mites, ticks etc. are acarids; beetles, collembola etc. are insects.>>>>>>>>If the specks move they could be mites, if they do not move they are probably something else, possibly fungal related.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 4 October 2011 18:37, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote:>>>>>>>> Sandy- >>>>>The mites are microscopic. The specks you are seeing are not insects, more likely fungal in nature or biproducts of an infection or infestation. Are you being treated internally? The cleaning and heating will calm the symptoms temporarily, but you also need to treat chronic infections. The bugs are attracted to you.>>>>>Aandraya>>>>>>>>>>>>>I

keep six honest serving-men>>>> (They taught me all I knew);>>>>Their names are What and Why and When>>>> And How and Where and Who.>>>>>>>>Rudyard Kipling>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>I keep six honest serving-men>>> (They taught me all I knew);>>>Their names are What and Why and

When>>> And How and Where and Who.>>>>>>Rudyard Kipling>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Hi Cecelia

For skype you dont need anything except a microphone & you must have a cable or

wi-fi . It is cheap . I hope you are there at the conference .

I am doing fine . Thanks God

God bless you Cecelia,

Bill

On Sun Nov 6th, 2011 3:40 PM EST Cecilia Borg wrote:>Hi, Bill!>Thanks for your

e-mail! I can understand you had a great conference call. It would have been

great hearing your voices!>I will try the skype.com, but don´t you need a

computer camera for the skype, or you can make calls without it?>I would love to

join, if just the time would be possible (can´t call at night, then I wake my

kids up).>How are you Bill?>I am quite ok. My small one is being treated with

hydrocortison and is much better. My 8 year old has some lesions but very small

and we don´t know at all what it is. So far no lesions on me or husband for a

long time (hardly dare to say it..)>Take

care!>Cecilia>>>________________________________>From: Doe

<doe1769@...>>bird mites >Sent: Friday, November 4,

2011 4:33 AM>Subject: Re: Aggi>>> >Hi Cecelia>>How are you ,

wish you guys were at the confrence call. Maybe try this www.skype.com is only

a $ 10.00 deposit to join which is applied to your minutes (100 for $10.00 ),

it is aproximately .10 cents per minute to talk , if that much.>I hope

everything is getting better >>God Bless you Cecelia , >>Bill >>ps >good story

: >>This gives you goose bumps>>An Angel Walked the Beat Tonight>>A drunk man in

an Oldsmobile>They said had run the light>That caused the six-car pileup>On 109

that night.>When broken bodies lay about>And blood was everywhere,>The sirens

screamed out elegies,>For death was in the air.>mother, trapped inside her

car,>Was heard above the noise;>Her plaintive plea near split the air:> " Oh, God,

please spare my boys! " >She fought to loose her pinned hands;>She struggled to

get free>But mangled metal held her fast>In grim captivity.>Her frightened eyes

then focused>On where the back seat once had been,>But all she saw was broken

glass and>Two children's seats crushed in.>Her twins were nowhere to be

seen;>She did not hear them

cry,>And then she prayed they'd been thrown free,> " Oh, God, don't let them

die! " >Then firemen came and cut her loose>But when they searched the back,>They

found therein no little boys,>But the seat belts were intact.>They thought the

woman had gone mad>And was traveling alone,>But when they turned to question

her,>They discovered she was gone.>Policemen saw her running wild>And screaming

above the noise>In beseeching supplication,> " Please help me find my

boys!>They're four years old and wear blue shirts;>Their jeans are blue to

match. " >One cop spoke up, " They're in my car,>And they don't have a

scratch.>They said their daddy put them there>And gave them each a cone,>Then

told them both to wait for Mom>To come and take them home.>I've searched the

area high and low,>But I can't find their dad.>He must have fled the scene,>I

guess, and that is very bad. " >The mother hugged the twins and said,>While wiping

at a tear,> " He could not flee the scene, you

see>For he's been dead a year. " >The cop just looked confused and asked,> " Now,

how can that be true? " >The boys said, " Mommy, Daddy came>And left a kiss for

you.>He told us not to worry>And that you would be all right,>And then he put us

in this car with>The pretty, flashing light.>We wanted him to stay with

us,>Because we miss him so,>But Mommy, he just hugged us tight>And said he had

to go.>He said someday we'd understand>And told us not to fuss,>And he said to

tell you, Mommy,>He's watching over us. " >The mother knew without a doubt>That

what they spoke was true,>For she recalled their dad's last words,> " I will watch

over you. " >The firemen's notes could not explain>The twisted, mangled car,>And

how the three of them escaped>Without a single scar.>But on the cop's report was

scribed,>In print so very fine,>An angel walked the beat tonight>On Highway

109.>> " He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare . " >>On Wed Nov

2nd, 2011 2:00 AM EDT

Cecilia Borg wrote:>THanks, Aandraya!>It seems like you had a great

group-conversation the other

day:)>Cecilia>>>________________________________>From: Aandraya

<aandraya@...>> " bird mites "

<bird mites >>Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:09 AM>Subject:

Re: Aggi>>> >Cecilia->I believe iHerb.com sells those products.

>Aandraya>>>>>On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>

wrote:>>> >>Where do I find

that?>>>>>>KR>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>________________________________>>From: Aandraya

<aandraya@...>>> " bird mites "

<bird mites >>>Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:27

PM>>Subject: Re: Aggi>>>>>> >>Try Banderol and Samento tinctures

from the Cowden protocol, these work for Lyme and Bartonella. Lyme and Bart

usually are seen together.>>>>Aandraya>>>>On Oct 15, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Cecilia

Borg><ceciliaborg@...> wrote:>>>>>>

>>>Thanks !>>>It probably is something internal as well, but it is so

hard to know what it is and how to deal with it.>>>At least it doesn´t seem to

be mites anymore. We don´t get the itching and other mite-problems anymore.>>>So

Bartonella could excist without lyme..didn´t know. Unfortunately they won´t test

for lyme, and what I understand you cant test for Bartonella or Babesia- it is

only clinical- is that right?>>>Thanks for caring LInda. I really hope you feel

better now.>>>Hugs>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From:

" Goldstein@... " <Goldstein@...>>>>To:

bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 5:05 PM>>>Subject:

Re: Aggi>>>>>>>>> >>>I just wish I knew the answer to that

Cecilia. I think this stuff on your daughter is not just external, but internal

as well, but I don't know the source of it. I pray that she and>your family do

not have Lyme... just

wondering myself. There was a study recently that said that even some dust

mites can carry Bartonella, but I had Lyme Disease pre-existing birdmites. It

may be that when we got the infestation that we got the Bartonella later because

my symptoms changed after exposure to the mites. (I am just speculating

here)... so it is possible to have just Bartonella without the Lyme. Cats carry

Bartonella, but I've also heard that some " bacteria and fungi " are jumping

species. Maybe Krys can answer why they are jumping species, or maybe they have

always done that to some

extent.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From: " Cecilia

Borg " <ceciliaborg@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday,

October 14, 2011 1:04:47 AM>>>Subject: Re: Aggi>>>>>> >>>No, we

didn´t. They are not intereted in doing that, unfortunately.>>>Thanks for

asking. >>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>(do you think it>could be something like that for us

as well?)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From:

" Goldstein@... " <Goldstein@...>>>>To:

bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:06 AM>>>Subject:

Re: Aggi>>>>>>>>> >>>Cecilia,>>>>>>>>>Did you or your family get

tested for Lyme Disease or coinfections?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From: " Cecilia Borg "

<ceciliaborg@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Thursday,

October 13, 2011 2:18:50 AM>>>Subject: Aggi>>>>>> >>>Hi

,Aggi!>>>Great to hear a report from you. >>>Here is even colder around 5degrees

C, but a clear fine day:)>>>I am really glad to year you´re so well and are not

bothered by the mites anymore. Superb!>>>My 8-year old has some staph-lesions on

and off, but they are only small blisters and heal quickly with the

bleach-baths. >>>Otherwise she is healthy now. My 2 year>old has a starnge skin

after all

this and sometimes gets small blisters as well, but that doesn´t seem to be

staph. >>>They disappear normally after a week. >>>She is also healthy

otherwise, so I´m really glad about it.>>>I don´t get much bothered anymore

either. Occasional itching at the scalp, but that is I guess normal and I guess

a leftover from the times when it was a lot from the mites. It keeps getting

better and I haven´t had any bites for months (crossing my fingers).>>>Take care

Aggi!>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>From: Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...>>>>To:

" bird mites " <bird mites >>>>Sent: Wednesday,

October 12, 2011 5:57 PM>>>Subject: Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi

Guys,>>> >>>Just felt like sending you all a big, warm hug, because here in

Germany the temperature has dropped down to 13° C and today it has just been

dreadful outside, raining cats and dogs ;-) Have been missing you, but

haven't>got much to report. Just keep

taking the Itraconazole patiently and watch myself getting better. I do not get

bothered much by mites anymore, some occasional bites still, but they are not

that much attracted to me any longer. I am so grateful for having my life back,

it feels odd now, sitting somewhere and not getting attacked by the monsters or

going to bed without the usual preparation rituals.>>> >>>I so much hope you

will all be able to find your " magic bullet " , keep crossing my fingers !!>>>

>>>My boyfriend just had his nose done... no beauty op, but polyps removed :-)

After 3 hours he could leave the hospital already and that after having been

knocked out. I found that extremely remarkable plus he is healing really, really

well. The only thing is that they could grow back quickly, so let's hope for the

best.>>> >>>P.S. Still keep up cleaning and washing procedures, just in case

....>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>Von: Cecilia Borg

<ceciliaborg@...>>>>An:> " bird mites "

<bird mites >>>>Gesendet: 21:12 Sonntag, 9.Oktober 2011

>>>Betreff: Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi, !>>>Happy to hear

it´s getting better with the crawling sensations. Bleach baths wouldn´t take

care of that, but it really has helped us to lessen the staph, so if that´s what

you have I would give it a try. 3 times a week one 3/4 tub of water with 1 cup

of clorine.>>>Take care!>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>From: " Goldstein@... "

<Goldstein@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday,

October 7, 2011 5:43 PM>>>Subject: Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi

Cecilia, >>>>>>>>>Yes, it is a beautiful thing that Krys's mum is getting

support from her hubbie... that is so right... we say here in our marriage

vows, " for better or for worse " and I do believe that. I'm still getting little

sores too still and I've got the biofilm - I wonder how much of it is staph>and

how much is other stuff,

other bacterias, etc. I haven't tried the bleach baths as I've been too busy

trying to figure out what I'm doing with all the Lyme treatment, but the

crawling sensations are quite a bit less than they were. It is diminishing and

it has only been 2 weeks on the meds. >>>>>>>>>It is just good to hear all of

your " voices " - you all are always in my thoughts.>>>>>>>>>Aggi: I so wish I

were in Germany right now... everything is so beautiful there with the autumn

right around the corner. It is a sight to behold.

Sigh...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: " Cecilia Borg " <ceciliaborg@...>>>>To:

bird mites >>>Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:04:45

PM>>>Subject: Re: To Krys!>>>>>> >>>Hi, Krys!>>>I´m glad it´s

not too bad for your mum. I hope she get´s the house sold soon. Also great that

your stepfather is " on the track " helping with the spraying. >>>My daughter is

not completely healed and some>of us other family members

gets a small staff-lesion once in a while, but it´s nott too bad. Only small

blisters and not big lesions. We keep going with bleach-baths and it sort of

keeps it down, even if it hasn´t cured it totally.>>>It sometimes gets to my

head: Can it be mites anyway, but we don´t feel crawlings and bitings, so it

just shouldn´t be. I guess after having to deal with the mites for a long time,

they stay " in your brain " for a while...>>>Thanks for answering and say hello to

your mum.>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>>>>To:

bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 3:12 AM>>>Subject:

Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi Cecilia,>>>>>>Kind of you to ask

after my mum. Thank you. >>>Things with my mother are currently not too bad, but

my stepfather is spraying heavily on a regular basis. I think they're more like

holding their own rather than really solving the problem.>>>The house>hasn't

sold as yet; I'm

surprised really because it is in quite a saleable area being countryish, yet

within easy commuting distance of London. >>>How is your daughter's staph

infection? I hope the doctors have managed to get rid of it for her.>>>Take

care,>>>Krys>>>>>>On 5 October 2011 04:22, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>

wrote:>>>>>> >>>>Hi, Krys!>>>>Just wanted to know how your mum is doing? Has

she succeeded in selling her house?>>>>Send her my warm

thoughts!>>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: Krys Brennand

<krys109uk@...>>>>>bird mites >>>>Sent: Wednesday,

October 5, 2011 4:15 AM>>>>Subject: Re: Roofers and more tiny

mites Need HELP ASAP>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>The bird mites D. gallinae or O. Sylvarium

are visible to the naked eye, even the nymphs, albeit very small & kind of

transparent/skin colour, are visible if you get them in the right light; the

adults are about the size of a grain of salt; they>look like tiny specks

which move. Mites, ticks etc. are acarids; beetles, collembola etc. are

insects.>>>>>>>>If the specks move they could be mites, if they do not move they

are probably something else, possibly fungal related.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 4

October 2011 18:37, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote:>>>>>>>> Sandy- >>>>>The

mites are microscopic. The specks you are seeing are not insects, more likely

fungal in nature or biproducts of an infection or infestation. Are you being

treated internally? The cleaning and heating will calm the symptoms

temporarily, but you also need to treat chronic infections. The bugs are

attracted to you.>>>>>Aandraya>>>>>>>>>>>>>I keep six honest serving-men>>>>

(They taught me all I knew);>>>>Their names are What and Why and When>>>> And

How and Where and Who.>>>>>>>>Rudyard Kipling>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>I

keep six honest serving-men>>> (They taught me all I knew);>>>Their names are

What and Why and>When>>> And How and Where

and Who.>>>>>>Rudyard Kipling>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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HI, BIll!Then I need to buy a microphone...:)Have you set a date and time for next conference?God bless you!CeciliaFrom: Doe <doe1769@...>bird mites Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 3:20 AMSubject: Re: Bill

Hi Cecelia

For skype you dont need anything except a microphone & you must have a cable or wi-fi . It is cheap . I hope you are there at the conference .

I am doing fine . Thanks God

God bless you Cecelia,

Bill

On Sun Nov 6th, 2011 3:40 PM EST Cecilia Borg wrote:>Hi, Bill!>Thanks for your e-mail! I can understand you had a great conference call. It would have been great hearing your voices!>I will try the skype.com, but don´t you need a computer camera for the skype, or you can make calls without it?>I would love to join, if just the time would be possible (can´t call at night, then I wake my kids up).>How are you Bill?>I am quite ok. My small one is being treated with hydrocortison and is much better. My 8 year old has some lesions but very small and we don´t know at all what it is. So far no lesions on me or husband for a long time (hardly dare to say it..)>Take care!>Cecilia>>>________________________________>From: Doe <doe1769@...>>bird mites >Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 4:33 AM>Subject: Re: Aggi>>> >Hi Cecelia>>How are you , wish you guys were at the confrence call. Maybe try this www.skype.com is only

a $ 10.00 deposit to join which is applied to your minutes (100 for $10.00 ), it is aproximately .10 cents per minute to talk , if that much.>I hope everything is getting better >>God Bless you Cecelia , >>Bill >>ps >good story : >>This gives you goose bumps>>An Angel Walked the Beat Tonight>>A drunk man in an Oldsmobile>They said had run the light>That caused the six-car pileup>On 109 that night.>When broken bodies lay about>And blood was everywhere,>The sirens screamed out elegies,>For death was in the air.>mother, trapped inside her car,>Was heard above the noise;>Her plaintive plea near split the air:>"Oh, God, please spare my boys!">She fought to loose her pinned hands;>She struggled to get free>But mangled metal held her fast>In grim captivity.>Her frightened eyes then focused>On where the back seat once had been,>But all she saw was broken glass

and>Two children's seats crushed in.>Her twins were nowhere to be seen;>She did not hear them

cry,>And then she prayed they'd been thrown free,>"Oh, God, don't let them die!">Then firemen came and cut her loose>But when they searched the back,>They found therein no little boys,>But the seat belts were intact.>They thought the woman had gone mad>And was traveling alone,>But when they turned to question her,>They discovered she was gone.>Policemen saw her running wild>And screaming above the noise>In beseeching supplication,>"Please help me find my boys!>They're four years old and wear blue shirts;>Their jeans are blue to match.">One cop spoke up, "They're in my car,>And they don't have a scratch.>They said their daddy put them there>And gave them each a cone,>Then told them both to wait for Mom>To come and take them home.>I've searched the area high and low,>But I can't find their dad.>He must have fled the scene,>I guess, and that is very bad.">The mother hugged the

twins and said,>While wiping at a tear,>"He could not flee the scene, you

see>For he's been dead a year.">The cop just looked confused and asked,>"Now, how can that be true?">The boys said, "Mommy, Daddy came>And left a kiss for you.>He told us not to worry>And that you would be all right,>And then he put us in this car with>The pretty, flashing light.>We wanted him to stay with us,>Because we miss him so,>But Mommy, he just hugged us tight>And said he had to go.>He said someday we'd understand>And told us not to fuss,>And he said to tell you, Mommy,>He's watching over us.">The mother knew without a doubt>That what they spoke was true,>For she recalled their dad's last words,>"I will watch over you.">The firemen's notes could not explain>The twisted, mangled car,>And how the three of them escaped>Without a single scar.>But on the cop's report was scribed,>In print so very fine,>An angel walked the beat tonight>On Highway 109.>>"He who

has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare .">>On Wed Nov 2nd, 2011 2:00 AM EDT

Cecilia Borg wrote:>THanks, Aandraya!>It seems like you had a great group-conversation the other day:)>Cecilia>>>________________________________>From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>>"bird mites " <bird mites >>Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:09 AM>Subject: Re: Aggi>>> >Cecilia->I believe iHerb.com sells those products. >Aandraya>>>>>On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:>>> >>Where do I find that?>>>>>>KR>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>________________________________>>From: Aandraya <aandraya@...>>>"bird mites " <bird mites >>>Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:27 PM>>Subject: Re: Aggi>>>>>> >>Try Banderol and Samento tinctures from the Cowden protocol, these work

for Lyme and Bartonella. Lyme and Bart usually are seen together.>>>>Aandraya>>>>On Oct 15, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Cecilia Borg><ceciliaborg@...> wrote:>>>>>>

>>>Thanks !>>>It probably is something internal as well, but it is so hard to know what it is and how to deal with it.>>>At least it doesn´t seem to be mites anymore. We don´t get the itching and other mite-problems anymore.>>>So Bartonella could excist without lyme..didn´t know. Unfortunately they won´t test for lyme, and what I understand you cant test for Bartonella or Babesia- it is only clinical- is that right?>>>Thanks for caring LInda. I really hope you feel better now.>>>Hugs>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 5:05 PM>>>Subject: Re: Aggi>>>>>>>>> >>>I just wish I knew the answer to that Cecilia. I think this stuff on your daughter is not just external, but internal as well, but I don't know the source of it. I pray that she and>your family do not have Lyme... just

wondering myself. There was a study recently that said that even some dust mites can carry Bartonella, but I had Lyme Disease pre-existing birdmites. It may be that when we got the infestation that we got the Bartonella later because my symptoms changed after exposure to the mites. (I am just speculating here)... so it is possible to have just Bartonella without the Lyme. Cats carry Bartonella, but I've also heard that some "bacteria and fungi" are jumping species. Maybe Krys can answer why they are jumping species, or maybe they have always done that to some extent.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 1:04:47 AM>>>Subject: Re: Aggi>>>>>> >>>No, we didn´t. They are not intereted in doing that, unfortunately.>>>Thanks for asking. >>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>(do you think it>could be something like that for us

as well?)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:06 AM>>>Subject: Re: Aggi>>>>>>>>> >>>Cecilia,>>>>>>>>>Did you or your family get tested for Lyme Disease or coinfections? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:18:50 AM>>>Subject: Aggi>>>>>> >>>Hi ,Aggi!>>>Great to hear a report from you. >>>Here is even colder around 5degrees C, but a clear fine day:)>>>I am really glad to year you´re so well and are not bothered by the mites anymore. Superb!>>>My 8-year old has some staph-lesions on and off, but they are only small blisters and heal quickly with the bleach-baths.

>>>Otherwise she is healthy now. My 2 year>old has a starnge skin after all

this and sometimes gets small blisters as well, but that doesn´t seem to be staph. >>>They disappear normally after a week. >>>She is also healthy otherwise, so I´m really glad about it.>>>I don´t get much bothered anymore either. Occasional itching at the scalp, but that is I guess normal and I guess a leftover from the times when it was a lot from the mites. It keeps getting better and I haven´t had any bites for months (crossing my fingers).>>>Take care Aggi!>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>From: Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...>>>>"bird mites " <bird mites >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:57 PM>>>Subject: Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi Guys,>>> >>>Just felt like sending you all a big, warm hug, because here in Germany the temperature has dropped down to 13° C and today it has just been dreadful outside, raining cats and dogs ;-) Have been missing you, but haven't>got much to report. Just keep

taking the Itraconazole patiently and watch myself getting better. I do not get bothered much by mites anymore, some occasional bites still, but they are not that much attracted to me any longer. I am so grateful for having my life back, it feels odd now, sitting somewhere and not getting attacked by the monsters or going to bed without the usual preparation rituals.>>> >>>I so much hope you will all be able to find your "magic bullet", keep crossing my fingers !!>>> >>>My boyfriend just had his nose done... no beauty op, but polyps removed :-) After 3 hours he could leave the hospital already and that after having been knocked out. I found that extremely remarkable plus he is healing really, really well. The only thing is that they could grow back quickly, so let's hope for the best.>>> >>>P.S. Still keep up cleaning and washing procedures, just in case ...>>> >>>

>>>>>>>>>Von: Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...>>>>An:>"bird mites "

<bird mites >>>>Gesendet: 21:12 Sonntag, 9.Oktober 2011 >>>Betreff: Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi, !>>>Happy to hear it´s getting better with the crawling sensations. Bleach baths wouldn´t take care of that, but it really has helped us to lessen the staph, so if that´s what you have I would give it a try. 3 times a week one 3/4 tub of water with 1 cup of clorine.>>>Take care!>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 5:43 PM>>>Subject: Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi Cecilia, >>>>>>>>>Yes, it is a beautiful thing that Krys's mum is getting support from her hubbie... that is so right... we say here in our marriage vows,"for better or for worse" and I do believe that. I'm still getting little sores too still and I've got the biofilm - I wonder how much of it is staph>and how much is other stuff,

other bacterias, etc. I haven't tried the bleach baths as I've been too busy trying to figure out what I'm doing with all the Lyme treatment, but the crawling sensations are quite a bit less than they were. It is diminishing and it has only been 2 weeks on the meds. >>>>>>>>>It is just good to hear all of your "voices" - you all are always in my thoughts.>>>>>>>>>Aggi: I so wish I were in Germany right now... everything is so beautiful there with the autumn right around the corner. It is a sight to behold. Sigh...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Cecilia Borg" <ceciliaborg@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:04:45 PM>>>Subject: Re: To Krys!>>>>>> >>>Hi, Krys!>>>I´m glad it´s not too bad for your mum. I hope she get´s the house sold soon. Also great that your stepfather is "on the track" helping with the spraying. >>>My daughter is not completely healed and some>of us other family members

gets a small staff-lesion once in a while, but it´s nott too bad. Only small blisters and not big lesions. We keep going with bleach-baths and it sort of keeps it down, even if it hasn´t cured it totally.>>>It sometimes gets to my head: Can it be mites anyway, but we don´t feel crawlings and bitings, so it just shouldn´t be. I guess after having to deal with the mites for a long time, they stay "in your brain" for a while...>>>Thanks for answering and say hello to your mum.>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 3:12 AM>>>Subject: Re:

To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi Cecilia,>>>>>>Kind of you to ask after my mum. Thank you. >>>Things with my mother are currently not too bad, but my stepfather is spraying heavily on a regular basis. I think they're more like holding their own rather than really solving the problem.>>>The house>hasn't sold as yet; I'm

surprised really because it is in quite a saleable area being countryish, yet within easy commuting distance of London. >>>How is your daughter's staph infection? I hope the doctors have managed to get rid of it for her.>>>Take care,>>>Krys>>>>>>On 5 October 2011 04:22, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:>>>>>> >>>>Hi, Krys!>>>>Just wanted to know how your mum is doing? Has she succeeded in selling her house?>>>>Send her my warm thoughts!>>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>>>>>bird mites >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 4:15 AM>>>>Subject: Re: Roofers and more tiny mites Need HELP ASAP>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>The bird mites D. gallinae or O. Sylvarium are visible to the naked eye, even the nymphs, albeit very small & kind of transparent/skin colour, are visible if you get them in the right light; the adults are about the size of a grain of salt; they>look like tiny specks

which move. Mites, ticks etc. are acarids; beetles, collembola etc. are insects.>>>>>>>>If the specks move they could be mites, if they do not move they are probably something else, possibly fungal related.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 4 October 2011 18:37, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote:>>>>>>>> Sandy- >>>>>The mites are microscopic. The specks you are seeing are not insects, more likely fungal in nature or biproducts of an infection or infestation. Are you being treated internally? The cleaning and heating will calm the symptoms temporarily, but you also need to treat chronic infections. The bugs are attracted to you.>>>>>Aandraya>>>>>>>>>>>>>I keep six honest

serving-men>>>> (They taught me all I knew);>>>>Their names are What and Why and When>>>> And How and Where and Who.>>>>>>>>Rudyard Kipling>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>I keep six honest serving-men>>> (They taught me all I knew);>>>Their names are What and Why and>When>>> And How and Where

and Who.>>>>>>Rudyard Kipling>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Hi Cecelia

No Date is set yet for the next conference , hopefully aproximately November 30

I think heard .

By the way if you plug a pair of cheap headphones into the microphone jack and

then speak into the headphones they act as a perfect microphone . , try it 1st

with your sound recorder program & play it back to test it . .

Bye , Keep osting all your statuses & tips ..please !

God bless you ,

Bill

If

On Mon Nov 7th, 2011 1:15 AM EST Cecilia Borg wrote:>HI, BIll!>Then I need to

buy a microphone...:)>Have you set a date and time for next conference?>God

bless you!>Cecilia>>>________________________________>From: Doe

<doe1769@...>>bird mites >Sent: Monday, November 7,

2011 3:20 AM>Subject: Re: Bill>>> >Hi Cecelia >>For skype you

dont need anything except a microphone & you must have a cable or wi-fi . It is

cheap . I hope you are there at the conference . >I am doing fine . Thanks God

>>God bless you Cecelia, >>Bill >>>On Sun Nov 6th, 2011 3:40 PM EST Cecilia Borg

wrote:>Hi, Bill!>Thanks for your e-mail! I can understand you had a great

conference call. It would have been great hearing your voices!>I will try the

skype.com, but don´t you need a computer camera for the skype, or you can make

calls without it?>I would love to join, if just the time would be possible

(can´t call at night, then I wake my

kids up).>How are you Bill?>I am quite ok. My small one is being treated with

hydrocortison and is much better. My 8 year old has some lesions but very small

and we don´t know at all what it is. So far no lesions on me or husband for a

long time (hardly dare to say it..)>Take

care!>Cecilia>>>________________________________>From: Doe

<doe1769@...>>bird mites >Sent: Friday, November 4,

2011 4:33 AM>Subject: Re: Aggi>>> >Hi Cecelia>>How are you ,

wish you guys were at the confrence call. Maybe try this www.skype.com is

only>a $ 10.00 deposit to join which is applied to your minutes (100 for $10.00

), it is aproximately .10 cents per minute to talk , if that much.>I hope

everything is getting better >>God Bless you Cecelia , >>Bill >>ps >good story

: >>This gives you goose bumps>>An Angel Walked the Beat Tonight>>A drunk man in

an Oldsmobile>They said had run the light>That caused the six-car pileup>On

109 that night.>When broken bodies lay about>And blood was everywhere,>The

sirens screamed out elegies,>For death was in the air.>mother, trapped inside

her car,>Was heard above the noise;>Her plaintive plea near split the air:> " Oh,

God, please spare my boys! " >She fought to loose her pinned hands;>She struggled

to get free>But mangled metal held her fast>In grim captivity.>Her frightened

eyes then focused>On where the back seat once had been,>But all she saw was

broken glass and>Two children's seats crushed in.>Her twins were nowhere to be

seen;>She did not hear them>cry,>And then she prayed they'd been thrown

free,> " Oh, God, don't let them die! " >Then firemen came and cut her loose>But

when they searched the back,>They found therein no little boys,>But the seat

belts were intact.>They thought the woman had gone mad>And was traveling

alone,>But when they turned to question her,>They discovered she was

gone.>Policemen saw her running wild>And screaming

above the noise>In beseeching supplication,> " Please help me find my

boys!>They're four years old and wear blue shirts;>Their jeans are blue to

match. " >One cop spoke up, " They're in my car,>And they don't have a

scratch.>They said their daddy put them there>And gave them each a cone,>Then

told them both to wait for Mom>To come and take them home.>I've searched the

area high and low,>But I can't find their dad.>He must have fled the scene,>I

guess, and that is very bad. " >The mother hugged the twins and said,>While wiping

at a tear,> " He could not flee the scene, you>see>For he's been dead a year. " >The

cop just looked confused and asked,> " Now, how can that be true? " >The boys said,

" Mommy, Daddy came>And left a kiss for you.>He told us not to worry>And that you

would be all right,>And then he put us in this car with>The pretty, flashing

light.>We wanted him to stay with us,>Because we miss him so,>But Mommy, he just

hugged us tight>And said he had to go.>He

said someday we'd understand>And told us not to fuss,>And he said to tell you,

Mommy,>He's watching over us. " >The mother knew without a doubt>That what they

spoke was true,>For she recalled their dad's last words,> " I will watch over

you. " >The firemen's notes could not explain>The twisted, mangled car,>And how

the three of them escaped>Without a single scar.>But on the cop's report was

scribed,>In print so very fine,>An angel walked the beat tonight>On Highway

109.>> " He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare . " >>On Wed Nov

2nd, 2011 2:00 AM EDT>Cecilia Borg wrote:>THanks, Aandraya!>It seems like you

had a great group-conversation the other

day:)>Cecilia>>>________________________________>From: Aandraya

<aandraya@...>> " bird mites "

<bird mites >>Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:09 AM>Subject:

Re: Aggi>>> >Cecilia->I believe iHerb.com sells those products.

>Aandraya>>>>>On Oct 16,

2011, at 7:41 AM, Cecilia Borg <ceciliaborg@...> wrote:>>> >>Where do I

find that?>>>>>>KR>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>________________________________>>From:

Aandraya <aandraya@...>>> " bird mites "

<bird mites >>>Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 1:27

PM>>Subject: Re: Aggi>>>>>> >>Try Banderol and Samento tinctures

from the Cowden protocol, these work for Lyme and Bartonella. Lyme and Bart

usually are seen together.>>>>Aandraya>>>>On Oct 15, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Cecilia

Borg><ceciliaborg@...> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>Thanks !>>>It probably is

something internal as well, but it is so hard to know what it is and how to deal

with it.>>>At least it doesn´t seem to be mites anymore. We don´t get the

itching and other mite-problems anymore.>>>So Bartonella could excist without

lyme..didn´t know. Unfortunately they won´t test for lyme, and what I understand

you cant test for Bartonella or Babesia- it is

only clinical- is that right?>>>Thanks for caring LInda. I really hope you feel

better now.>>>Hugs>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From:

" Goldstein@... " <Goldstein@...>>>>To:

bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 5:05 PM>>>Subject:

Re: Aggi>>>>>>>>> >>>I just wish I knew the answer to that

Cecilia. I think this stuff on your daughter is not just external, but internal

as well, but I don't know the source of it. I pray that she and>your family do

not have Lyme... just>wondering myself. There was a study recently that said

that even some dust mites can carry Bartonella, but I had Lyme Disease

pre-existing birdmites. It may be that when we got the infestation that we got

the Bartonella later because my symptoms changed after exposure to the mites.

(I am just speculating here)... so it is possible to have just Bartonella

without the Lyme. Cats carry Bartonella,

but I've also heard that some " bacteria and fungi " are jumping species. Maybe

Krys can answer why they are jumping species, or maybe they have always done

that to some

extent.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From: " Cecilia

Borg " <ceciliaborg@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday,

October 14, 2011 1:04:47 AM>>>Subject: Re: Aggi>>>>>> >>>No, we

didn´t. They are not intereted in doing that, unfortunately.>>>Thanks for

asking. >>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>(do you think it>could be something like that for

us>as well?)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From:

" Goldstein@... " <Goldstein@...>>>>To:

bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:06 AM>>>Subject:

Re: Aggi>>>>>>>>> >>>Cecilia,>>>>>>>>>Did you or your family get

tested for Lyme Disease or coinfections?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________>>>From:

" Cecilia Borg " <ceciliaborg@...>>>>To:

bird mites >>>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:18:50

AM>>>Subject: Aggi>>>>>> >>>Hi ,Aggi!>>>Great to hear a report

from you. >>>Here is even colder around 5degrees C, but a clear fine day:)>>>I

am really glad to year you´re so well and are not bothered by the mites anymore.

Superb!>>>My 8-year old has some staph-lesions on and off, but they are only

small blisters and heal quickly with the bleach-baths. >>>Otherwise she is

healthy now. My 2 year>old has a starnge skin after all>this and sometimes gets

small blisters as well, but that doesn´t seem to be staph. >>>They disappear

normally after a week. >>>She is also healthy otherwise, so I´m really glad

about it.>>>I don´t get much bothered anymore either. Occasional itching at the

scalp, but that is I guess normal and I guess a leftover from the times when it

was a lot from the mites. It keeps getting better and I

haven´t had any bites for months (crossing my fingers).>>>Take care

Aggi!>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>From: Aggi Assmann <aggi_assmann@...>>>>To:

" bird mites " <bird mites >>>>Sent: Wednesday,

October 12, 2011 5:57 PM>>>Subject: Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi

Guys,>>> >>>Just felt like sending you all a big, warm hug, because here in

Germany the temperature has dropped down to 13° C and today it has just been

dreadful outside, raining cats and dogs ;-) Have been missing you, but

haven't>got much to report. Just keep>taking the Itraconazole patiently and

watch myself getting better. I do not get bothered much by mites anymore, some

occasional bites still, but they are not that much attracted to me any longer. I

am so grateful for having my life back, it feels odd now, sitting somewhere and

not getting attacked by the monsters or going to bed without the usual

preparation rituals.>>> >>>I so much hope you will

all be able to find your " magic bullet " , keep crossing my fingers !!>>> >>>My

boyfriend just had his nose done... no beauty op, but polyps removed :-) After 3

hours he could leave the hospital already and that after having been knocked

out. I found that extremely remarkable plus he is healing really, really well.

The only thing is that they could grow back quickly, so let's hope for the

best.>>> >>>P.S. Still keep up cleaning and washing procedures, just in case

....>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>Von: Cecilia Borg

<ceciliaborg@...>>>>An:> " bird mites " ><bird mites@\

groups.com>>>>Gesendet: 21:12 Sonntag, 9.Oktober 2011 >>>Betreff: Re:

To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi, !>>>Happy to hear it´s getting

better with the crawling sensations. Bleach baths wouldn´t take care of that,

but it really has helped us to lessen the staph, so if that´s what you have I

would give it a try. 3 times a week one 3/4 tub of water with 1 cup of

clorine.>>>Take care!>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>From: " Goldstein@... "

<Goldstein@...>>>>bird mites >>>Sent: Friday,

October 7, 2011 5:43 PM>>>Subject: Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi

Cecilia, >>>>>>>>>Yes, it is a beautiful thing that Krys's mum is getting

support from her hubbie... that is so right... we say here in our marriage

vows, " for better or for worse " and I do believe that. I'm still getting little

sores too still and I've got the biofilm - I wonder how much of it is staph>and

how much is other stuff,>other bacterias, etc. I haven't tried the bleach baths

as I've been too busy trying to figure out what I'm doing with all the Lyme

treatment, but the crawling sensations are quite a bit less than they were. It

is diminishing and it has only been 2 weeks on the meds. >>>>>>>>>It is just

good to hear all of your " voices " - you all are always in my

thoughts.>>>>>>>>>Aggi: I so wish I were in

Germany right now... everything is so beautiful there with the autumn right

around the corner. It is a sight to behold. Sigh...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From:

" Cecilia Borg " <ceciliaborg@...>>>>To:

bird mites >>>Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:04:45

PM>>>Subject: Re: To Krys!>>>>>> >>>Hi, Krys!>>>I´m glad it´s

not too bad for your mum. I hope she get´s the house sold soon. Also great that

your stepfather is " on the track " helping with the spraying. >>>My daughter is

not completely healed and some>of us other family members>gets a small

staff-lesion once in a while, but it´s nott too bad. Only small blisters and not

big lesions. We keep going with bleach-baths and it sort of keeps it down, even

if it hasn´t cured it totally.>>>It sometimes gets to my head: Can it be mites

anyway, but we don´t feel crawlings and bitings, so it just shouldn´t be. I

guess after having to deal with the mites for a long time, they

stay " in your brain " for a while...>>>Thanks for answering and say hello to

your mum.>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>From: Krys Brennand <krys109uk@...>>>>To:

bird mites >>>Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 3:12 AM>>>Subject:

Re: To Krys!>>>>>>>>> >>>Hi Cecilia,>>>>>>Kind of you to ask

after my mum. Thank you. >>>Things with my mother are currently not too bad, but

my stepfather is spraying heavily on a regular basis. I think they're more like

holding their own rather than really solving the problem.>>>The house>hasn't

sold as yet; I'm>surprised really because it is in quite a saleable area being

countryish, yet within easy commuting distance of London. >>>How is your

daughter's staph infection? I hope the doctors have managed to get rid of it for

her.>>>Take care,>>>Krys>>>>>>On 5 October 2011 04:22, Cecilia Borg

<ceciliaborg@...> wrote:>>>>>> >>>>Hi, Krys!>>>>Just wanted to know how

your mum is doing? Has she succeeded in

selling her house?>>>>Send her my warm

thoughts!>>>>Cecilia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: Krys Brennand

<krys109uk@...>>>>>bird mites >>>>Sent: Wednesday,

October 5, 2011 4:15 AM>>>>Subject: Re: Roofers and more tiny

mites Need HELP ASAP>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>The bird mites D. gallinae or O. Sylvarium

are visible to the naked eye, even the nymphs, albeit very small & kind of

transparent/skin colour, are visible if you get them in the right light; the

adults are about the size of a grain of salt; they>look like tiny specks>which

move. Mites, ticks etc. are acarids; beetles, collembola etc. are

insects.>>>>>>>>If the specks move they could be mites, if they do not move they

are probably something else, possibly fungal related.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On 4

October 2011 18:37, Aandraya <aandraya@...> wrote:>>>>>>>> Sandy- >>>>>The

mites are microscopic. The specks you are seeing are not insects, more likely

fungal in nature

or biproducts of an infection or infestation. Are you being treated

internally? The cleaning and heating will calm the symptoms temporarily, but

you also need to treat chronic infections. The bugs are attracted to

you.>>>>>Aandraya>>>>>>>>>>>>>I keep six honest serving-men>>>> (They taught me

all I knew);>>>>Their names are What and Why and When>>>> And How and Where and

Who.>>>>>>>>Rudyard Kipling>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-- >>>>>>I keep six honest

serving-men>>> (They taught me all I knew);>>>Their names are What and Why

and>When>>> And How and Where>and Who.>>>>>>Rudyard

Kipling>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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