Bee Venom Therapy

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I saw Something on tv the other day about bee venom therapy. It has been used

to treat MS patients to help take away numbness associated with the illness.

They place a honey bee on the affected area. And then let the bee sting the

patient. And has shown miraculous results. There was one lady on the show that

had her doctors tell her she was permanently confined to a wheelchair. Six

weeks after starting bee venom therapy she was up and walking again.

I was wondering if any of you had heard of this? And would this treatment be

of any help to CMT patients?

I could never do this though because I am severely allergic to bees. They

stated that that was the only real risk of having this treatment. 1 in 5 people

are allergic to bees.

I'm sorry I haven't been answering posts, my internet has been messing up. If

Bob reads this I am soooo sorry I will be answering you soon!!!!

le

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marilyn_mulvihill wrote:

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> >Has anyone tried using live bees for bee sting therapy? Some people

> claim it works very well in reducing pain.

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Who are these " some people " ? Has there been a medical study done on

it? I saw a segment on TV years ago about using bees, but that was

before they had all these miracle drugs they have now. My luck, the

first bee sting would be my last because I've never been stung by one

and might be allergic!

Nina

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I just watched Sunday Morning today and there was a segment on about

how many bee colonies are " collapsing " (dieing) and they dont know

why. They talked about the importance of bees and there was a part of

the segment that showed a doctor holding a bee with tweezers and

having them sting patients. They didnt mention RA specifically - the

one man had severe headaches after surgery and felt them get better

after the treatments and the woman had severe shoulder pain and was

helped by the bee stings. They said on the show that bee venom is a

powerful anti-inflammatory.

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> Who are these " some people " ? Has there been a medical study done

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> it? I saw a segment on TV years ago about using bees, but that was

> before they had all these miracle drugs they have now. My luck,

the

> first bee sting would be my last because I've never been stung by

one

> and might be allergic!

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> Nina

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Nina " <ncampbell@...>

> Who are these " some people " ? Has there been a medical study done on

> it? I saw a segment on TV years ago about using bees, but that was

> before they had all these miracle drugs they have now.

They had an article in our local paper a few weeks ago, which quoted some

local people. They seemed to be mostly of an older generation. One older

man with RA swore the initial pain was well worth the help he got from the

stings.

Darcy

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Since I am one of those people with a bee sting sensitivity, I say,

be very, very, careful. I was stung about a year ago and it swelled

up like a golf ball and my breathing became labored. I took some

benadryl and the breathing inproved, but the swelling took about two

weeks to decrease.

I am not actually afraid of bees, but I respect them a lot. I am a

bit of a tomboy and I can deal with bugs and spiders, no problem.

Bee stings are pretty powerful things and I do love honey. Just be

careful of this. Penny

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> > >Has anyone tried using live bees for bee sting therapy? Some

people

> > claim it works very well in reducing pain.

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> Who are these " some people " ? Has there been a medical study done

on

> it? I saw a segment on TV years ago about using bees, but that

was

> before they had all these miracle drugs they have now. My luck,

the

> first bee sting would be my last because I've never been stung by

one

> and might be allergic!

>

> Nina

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catstamp wrote:

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> >They had an article in our local paper a few weeks ago, which quoted

> some

> local people. They seemed to be mostly of an older generation. One older

> man with RA swore the initial pain was well worth the help he got from

> the

> stings.

>

Let's see ... bee sting? .... Enbrel shot? ...bee sting?....Enbrel

shot? Hmmm, I'll go with the Enbrel even though it hurts. Actually, I

take Orencia and I'd rather have the IV put in than get stung by a

bee. LOL

I can imagine the older generation tried lots of weird things for RA

pain relief. We're all sooooooo lucky to have the drugs we have now.

Nina

[Guest guest]

>

> I have RA and have read many of the posted messages. The pain and

> exhaustion that is freqently mentioned is very familiar to me.

>

> Has anyone tried using live bees for bee sting therapy? Some

people

> claim it works very well in reducing pain.

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june 24, 2007

This was a topic (repeat) on cbs sunday morning just today. It said

only about 20 Doctors practice. I couldn't find his name or others.

Any one having luck write sulynn2u

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For centuries, honey, bee pollen, and bee venom have been used to

treat a number of ailments that vary between chronic pain to skin

conditions. Apitherapy, or the medical use of honeybee products that

range from royal jelly to bee venom, was used by the ancient

Egyptians as a homeopathic remedy for arthritis. Today, bee venom

therapy, or bee sting therapy, has captured the attention of medical

science as a potential homeopathic remedy for multiple sclerosis

(MS) symptoms.

Bee venom therapy (BVT), or apitherapy, uses the stings of live bees

to relieve symptoms of MS such as pain, loss of coordination, and

muscle weakness. Stinging is not limited to any specific area of the

body, as stings in different places seem to produce different

results. Apitherapy researchers suggest that certain compounds in

bee venom, namely melittin and adolapin, help reduce inflammation

and pain, and that the combination of all the " ingredients " in bee

venom somehow helps the body to release natural healing compounds in

its own defense.

Given the fact that no major studies on BVT have been done so far,

it is estimated that only about 50 U.S. physicians use it to treat

MS or other diseases. And the evidence that BVT helps MS patients,

although encouraging, remains anecdotal. Despite this, of the more

than 250,000 cases of multiple sclerosis nationwide, thousands of

patients are said to use bee venom as an alternative approach to the

interferon, corticosteroids, and other drugs typically used. Word on

BVT has spread to where the American Apitherapy Society says there

are about 10,000 people providing this therapy — apitherapists,

beekeepers, and acupuncturists, as well as those with no health

background. Some patients even treat themselves. But the lack of

medical training among most practitioners and the risk of dangerous

allergic reactions to the treatment have raised concerns about BVT

among the medical establishment.

Nonetheless, bee venom therapy has generated enough " buzz " that

town University in Washington, D.C., has begun a one-year

preliminary study, funded by the Multiple Sclerosis Association of

America, to research apitherapy as a potential treatment. In the

end, researchers hope to settle the debate whether bee venom should

be considered a serious treatment for MS.

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Nina " <ncampbell@...>

> Let's see ... bee sting? .... Enbrel shot? ...bee sting?....Enbrel

> shot? Hmmm, I'll go with the Enbrel even though it hurts.

I can't remember how many bees the one guy got to sting him, I think it was

somewhere between 20-40. I've been stung by a bee before, and I'd rather

not repeat the experience especially if it had to be that many times. And

if I remember correctly, he was getting stung in his hands where his pain

was the worst.

Darcy

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<I just watched Sunday Morning today and there was a segment on about

how many bee colonies are " collapsing " (dieing) and they dont know

why>

My hive left a few years ago for no apparent reason. Then a neighbor called

about a swarm in one of their trees, and they were afraid of them. So, I

loaded up and captured the swarm. I put them in the hive, and the next

morning they were gone, too. I looked around but didn't find them, and I

haven't seen a hive since. I think my neighbor has lost all her hives, too.

I got hit by a couple of red wasps Saturday, on my pointer finger, the one

that hurt the most from RA. It swelled a little and burned a lot for about

an hour. Now the finger doesn't hurt and I have full use of it again. Bee

stings will help me, even if the bite isn't near the hurt. I guess the venom

gets carried around through the blood system. These bites don't hurt much at

all and will help me, and I eat a lot of honey, so maybe that helps, too.

One drawback to the bee sting. The bee dies after the sting, so it can't be

useful after that.

Dennis in Eastexas

" It's not Rocket Surgery "

Re: [ ] Bee venom therapy

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Nina " <ncampbell@...>

>> Let's see ... bee sting? .... Enbrel shot? ...bee sting?....Enbrel

>> shot? Hmmm, I'll go with the Enbrel even though it hurts.

>

> I can't remember how many bees the one guy got to sting him, I think it

> was

> somewhere between 20-40. I've been stung by a bee before, and I'd rather

> not repeat the experience especially if it had to be that many times. And

> if I remember correctly, he was getting stung in his hands where his pain

> was the worst.

> Darcy

[Guest guest]

maggiemac52 wrote:

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> > just watched Sunday Morning today and there was a segment on about

> how many bee colonies are " collapsing " (dieing) and they dont know

> why. They talked about the importance of bees

>

I've seen a couple of reports on the news about that, too. If they

don't figure it out, the agriculture business is going to be in big

trouble and we're all going to be very hungry because the bees do all

the pollination of plants.

Nina

[Guest guest]

Dennis - that is really just very interesting about your finger. I

think I will be paying more attention to the loss of bee hives in the

news from now on. This sounds like a potentially important treatment

for arthritis.

>

> <I just watched Sunday Morning today and there was a segment on

about

> how many bee colonies are " collapsing " (dieing) and they dont know

> why>

>

> My hive left a few years ago for no apparent reason. Then a

neighbor called

> about a swarm in one of their trees, and they were afraid of them.

So, I

> loaded up and captured the swarm. I put them in the hive, and the

next

> morning they were gone, too. I looked around but didn't find them,

and I

> haven't seen a hive since. I think my neighbor has lost all her

hives, too.

>

> I got hit by a couple of red wasps Saturday, on my pointer finger,

the one

> that hurt the most from RA. It swelled a little and burned a lot

for about

> an hour. Now the finger doesn't hurt and I have full use of it

again. Bee

> stings will help me, even if the bite isn't near the hurt. I guess

the venom

> gets carried around through the blood system. These bites don't

hurt much at

> all and will help me, and I eat a lot of honey, so maybe that

helps, too.

> One drawback to the bee sting. The bee dies after the sting, so it

can't be

> useful after that.

>

> Dennis in Eastexas

> " It's not Rocket Surgery "

>

> Re: [ ] Bee venom therapy

>

>

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " Nina " <ncampbell@...>

> >> Let's see ... bee sting? .... Enbrel shot? ...bee

sting?....Enbrel

> >> shot? Hmmm, I'll go with the Enbrel even though it hurts.

> >

> > I can't remember how many bees the one guy got to sting him, I

think it

> > was

> > somewhere between 20-40. I've been stung by a bee before, and

I'd rather

> > not repeat the experience especially if it had to be that many

times. And

> > if I remember correctly, he was getting stung in his hands where

his pain

> > was the worst.

> > Darcy

>

[Guest guest]

Someone recommended bee venom therapy to me for my RA and I checked

into it. I found out that it's illegal in TX (where I live) for a

practitioner to provide this therapy, but someone can do it

themselves (that would take more guts than I've got!). Anyway, I

also read about bee venom being put into honey and sold together, so

I ordered some and have been trying it out. I have to start in small

doses, so I don't yet know if there's going to be any improvement or

not.

I'll let you all know how it goes!

>

> I have RA and have read many of the posted messages. The pain and

> exhaustion that is freqently mentioned is very familiar to me.

>

> Has anyone tried using live bees for bee sting therapy? Some

people

> claim it works very well in reducing pain.

>

[Guest guest]

From my vast experience with stings, I've about decided that one part of the

venom is a numbing agent. With the super-flare I'm having right now, I

wouldn't mind finding a hive. My pain level is about a 9, except that

finger. It's only a 4 or so. My all-over is hurting today and getting worse,

but that's the price we have to pay.

Dennis in Eastexas

" It's not Rocket Surgery "

[ ] Re: Bee venom therapy

> Dennis - that is really just very interesting about your finger. I

> think I will be paying more attention to the loss of bee hives in the

> news from now on. This sounds like a potentially important treatment

> for arthritis.

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>> <I just watched Sunday Morning today and there was a segment on

> about

>> how many bee colonies are " collapsing " (dieing) and they dont know

>> why>

>>

>> My hive left a few years ago for no apparent reason. Then a

> neighbor called

>> about a swarm in one of their trees, and they were afraid of them.

> So, I

>> loaded up and captured the swarm. I put them in the hive, and the

> next

>> morning they were gone, too. I looked around but didn't find them,

> and I

>> haven't seen a hive since. I think my neighbor has lost all her

> hives, too.

>>

>> I got hit by a couple of red wasps Saturday, on my pointer finger,

> the one

>> that hurt the most from RA. It swelled a little and burned a lot

> for about

>> an hour. Now the finger doesn't hurt and I have full use of it

> again. Bee

>> stings will help me, even if the bite isn't near the hurt. I guess

> the venom

>> gets carried around through the blood system. These bites don't

> hurt much at

>> all and will help me, and I eat a lot of honey, so maybe that

> helps, too.

>> One drawback to the bee sting. The bee dies after the sting, so it

> can't be

>> useful after that.

>>

>> Dennis in Eastexas

>> " It's not Rocket Surgery "