Re: ascorbic acid/Vitamin C

March 27, 2004

,

My herbalist uses this computer thing the measures frequencies. Such as, if

I have allergies it knows which ones by the frequencies and then he uses the

thing to determine what herbs and such would be best for me. I may not be able

to explain it fully, but what I can tell you is that I used to suffer from

extreme allergies while taking Claritin. A friend introduced me to him and now

I don't have any more allergies. And . . . my father couldn't be within a

country mile of a cat and now he stays in my apartment with mine without having

his allergies either!! When he tested the different vitamin C's on me only one

kind tested helpful for me. As for whether or not I was deficient . . .

recommended normal dosage is one a day . . . it said I needed 10 a day. I'm

saying I'm pretty deficient . . . and I take a multi daily!!

The thing is without the research we don't know if it's this kind of Vitamin

C that would be best for all CMT or if it's just the one that I respond to.

My mother will be in town in a couple of weeks. We are going to test her out

too. She loves him as much as I do so she is totally open to it.

Unfortunately that won't really give us that answer because we are related.

The good thing is he said that if it showed signs in the mice in three months

it should have the same effect for us . . . so I'll let you know in 3 months!

HA!

January 31, 2011

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> A self-proclaimed nutritionist was advising against consuming ascorbic acid in

a WAPF forum that I belong to. I do not trust his statements because he

has a vested interest in Standard Process products. The following is what he

stated:

>

> Though I would never ever never recommend ascorbic acid as it is NOT vitamin C

but a poor anti-oxidant portion of the whole complex and it a gut irritant

amongst other things. Get the whole deal from Standard Process, or acerola

berry, or rose hips, that includes the biolflavanoids, and cyruta plus by

standard process is the gold standard for bioflavanoids.

>

> Yes, ascorbic acid does work in the short run, much like cold meds help you

" feel better. " But no real tissue nutrition, sorry to say.

> And the facts are right there for anyone to see, ascorbic acid is ONE, thats

right, ONE step away from glucose, sugar.

>

> I have seen many elderly people who have been religious about ascorbic acid

use have horrible degenerative illness and cancer.

>

> So, reality check yes, it works and has SHORT TERM BENEFITS, and all anyone

has to do look is look at this from reality, from the facts. And the facts

include direct evidence it works in the short run, but it will not and never has

cured scurvy, go and see for yourself.

-------------------------------

> I feel the need to respond to warn other WAPF'ers, but I do not know enough

about VitC to initiate a debate. How would you respond to him? With your

permission, I would like to send your response to my WAPF forum. I trust your

research.

>

> All I know to say is that degenerative illness and cancer are not caused by

taking ascorbic acid but by poor health and toxins from the environment, drugs

and foods we ingest.

+++Hi Anne,

If it were true that ascorbic acid doesn't help, how can intravenous vitamin C

successfully help cancer victims as Orthomolecular Physicians have been doing

since 1978 when Linus ing founded Orthomolecular Medicine:

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/lpbio/lpbio2.html

Here's a couple of explanatory sections:

" " Orthomolecular medicine - ing had spoken about the importance of vitamins

in the late 1930s. In the mid-1960s he became intrigued with the biochemistry of

nutrition. Its roots were in the research he had done at Caltech on the

mechanism of action of anesthetic agents in the brain and in exploring the

possibility that mental retardation and mental illness (especially

schizophrenia) were caused by various biochemical and genetic disorders. This

work in brain-fluid chemistry — studying the molecular environment of the mind —

later led to collaborative clinical research with Dr. Abram Hoffer on the

therapeutic efficacy of vitamins in cancer. In founding the new field of

orthomolecular psychiatry ( " Orthomolecular Psychiatry " Science 160:265-271,

1968), ing proposed that mental abnormalities might be successfully treated

by correcting imbalances or deficiencies among naturally occurring biochemical

constituents of the brain, notably vitamins and other micronutrients, as an

alternative to the administration of potent synthetic psychoactive drugs.

ing later broadened this concept into orthomolecular medicine. The concept

and term (meaning " right molecules in the right concentration " ) characterized an

approach to the prevention and treatment of disease and attainment of optimum

health that was based on the physiological and enzymatic actions of specific

nutrients, such as vitamins, minerals, and amino acids present in the body.

Vitamin C - Fascinated with the multifaceted role of vitamin C (ascorbic acid)

in maintaining health, he began combing the scientific and medical literature

for experimental and clinical evidence as to its importance. From published

studies, from physiological and evolutionary reasoning, and from his and his

wife's own experiences, he became convinced of the value of vitamin C in large

doses as a prophylactic or palliative for the common cold. In 1970 he wrote the

book Vitamin C and the Common Cold, which became a bestseller and brought wide

public attention while creating a huge and continuously increasing demand for

this micronutrient.

Later he became convinced of ascorbate's value in combating the flu, cancer,

cardiovascular disease, infections, and degenerative problems in the aging

process. He added other micronutrients, such as vitamin E and the B vitamins, to

his list of helpful supplements and published two other popular books and a

number of papers, both scientific and popular, on nutritional therapy. As

happened during his earlier efforts in awakening the public to the dangers of

nuclear weapons, ing's pronouncements on the subject of nutritional medicine

were often assailed by physicians and physicians' organizations that ignored his

long and insightful involvement with the biochemistry of human health and much

of the published studies. They often dismissed his ideas as quackery. " "

Dr. Abram Hoffer was a world-reknown Orthomolecular Physician:

http://www.orthomolecular.org/history/hoffer/index.shtml

Dr. Cathcart, Orthomolecular Physician, also has lots of information

about ascorbic acid on his website:

http://www.orthomed.com/

Here's his page about taking ascorbic acid orally:

http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm

Here's more references:

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/vitcrda.shtml

Supplements: http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/

" " Vitamin C (L-ascorbic acid) is available in many forms, but there is little

scientific evidence that any one form is better absorbed or more effective than

another. Most experimental and clinical research uses ascorbic acid or sodium

ascorbate.

Natural vs. synthetic vitamin C Natural and synthetic L-ascorbic acid are

chemically identical and there are no known differences in their biological

activities or bioavailabilities (101).

Mineral ascorbates - Mineral salts of ascorbic acid are buffered and, therefore,

less acidic than ascorbic acid. Some people find them less irritating to the

gastrointestinal tract than ascorbic acid. Sodium ascorbate and calcium

ascorbate are the most common forms, although a number of other mineral

ascorbates are available. Sodium ascorbate generally provides 131 mg of sodium

per 1,000 mg of ascorbic acid, and pure calcium ascorbate provides 114 mg of

calcium per 1,000 mg of ascorbic acid.

Vitamin C with bioflavonoids - Bioflavonoids are a class of water-soluble plant

pigments that are often found in vitamin C-rich fruits and vegetables,

especially citrus fruits. There is little evidence that the bioflavonoids in

most commercial preparations increase the bioavailability or efficacy of vitamin

C (102). Studies in cell culture indicate that a number of flavonoids inhibit

the transport of vitamin C into cells (103-105), and supplementation of rats

with quercetin and vitamin C decreased the intestinal absorption of vitamin C

(103). More research is needed to determine the significance of these findings

in humans. " "

Also ascorbic acid increases oxygen in the body, since it helps the body produce

hydrogen peroxide, and we know that the prime cause of cancer is the replacement

of the respiration of oxygen (oxidation of sugar) in normal body cells by

fermentation of sugar.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cancer4.php

I hope that helps.

The best in health, Bee

January 31, 2011

I've found that vitamin C can be somewhat irritating to the gut. I have duodenum

issues and have noticed it can irritate it. Due to my duodenum issue, I try to

get my vitamin c from a few selected veggie broths. However, A high dose

Vitamin C Flush is a lifesaver when you need to flush toxins out or need a rapid

bowel movement quickly. (10-12 grams usually works for me-- I call it the

vitamin Liquid Drano:)

I haven't had a cheat(food/sugar) in 5 months,but if I do have one in the

distant future I do 12 grams of Vitamin C along with a tea bag of Senna Tea--to

quickly flush the cheat out of your body. Just be ready to visit the bathroom in

4-6hrs.

January 31, 2011

> >

> > Hi Bee,

> >

> > A self-proclaimed nutritionist was advising against consuming ascorbic acid

in a WAPF forum that I belong to. I do not trust his statements because

he has a vested interest in Standard Process products. The following is what he

stated:

> >

> > Though I would never ever never recommend ascorbic acid as it is NOT vitamin

C but a poor anti-oxidant portion of the whole complex and it a gut irritant

amongst other things. Get the whole deal from Standard Process, or acerola

berry, or rose hips, that includes the biolflavanoids, and cyruta plus by

standard process is the gold standard for bioflavanoids.

> >

> > Yes, ascorbic acid does work in the short run, much like cold meds help you

" feel better. " But no real tissue nutrition, sorry to say.

> > And the facts are right there for anyone to see, ascorbic acid is ONE, thats

right, ONE step away from glucose, sugar.

> >

@@ Snip

> -------------------------------

>

> > I feel the need to respond to warn other WAPF'ers, but I do not know enough

about VitC to initiate a debate. How would you respond to him? With your

permission, I would like to send your response to my WAPF forum. I trust your

research.

> >

> > All I know to say is that degenerative illness and cancer are not caused by

taking ascorbic acid but by poor health and toxins from the environment, drugs

and foods we ingest.

>

@@ Hi Anne,

May I reiterate/supplement Bee's information, by stating that the

self-proclaimed nutritionist is lacking information in his claim and his product

line " Standard Process " .

First, " ascorbic acid is ONE step away from glucose, sugar " , Yes. However, if he

is implying they are the same, WRONG ! News Flash, they compete against each

other and whichever is more available in the body cancels the other out.

Second, he needs to understand his product line he represents is full of

hypocrisy as well in example includes sources of sugar which would be

detrimental to the Vitamin C content.

In example, " Cyruta Plus " , which he recommends contains " ascorbic acid " =

hypocrisy ( when he advise against) and " Honey " ( SUGAR SOURCE) which is

counterproductive to Vitamin C. Moreover, buckwheat and oat flour are also

sugar/carbohydrate sources = more sugar. I reviewed other products on the

Standard Process site which demonstrated similar problems as " Cyruta Plus " .

Cyruta Plus

http://www.standardprocess.com/display/StandardProcessCatalog.spi?ID=57

Therefore, the product line he represents seems fairly tainted and questionable

to say the least in regards to its ingredients.

Lastly, as Bee mentions/refers, Vitamin C creates oxygen in the body and sugar

sources do the opposite. Therefore adding sugar sources to Vitamin C is not

productive.

Synthetic vitamin C has also been used for decades as Bee has alluded, to

address disease by Orthomolecular physicians. Nonetheless, all vitamins are

SUPPLEMENTAL which work together with healthy food. Otherwise, each is

incomplete in variable aspects. Especially, in today's modern world where food

quality fluctuates due to different soil nutrient density, worldwide.

Best in Health,

Ed

group moderator

January 31, 2011

Did you guys notice that one tablet of that Standard Process supplement only

contains 3mg of Vitamin C? 3mg!!! You would have to take 1,333 tablets a day

to get 4,000mg like we take. Anne, I think that guy is nuts.

Lilac

> > >

<snip> I reviewed other products on the Standard Process site which demonstrated

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