Re: liquid shampoo base: harsher than bars?

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Just my kind of person. I was in the Humane Society

for 11 yrs. before moving and having an injury that

keeps me from doing like I would like to. I have been

getting recipes for natural treats for dogs as well as

checking into shampoo's.

One shampoo: 1/2 's oil & 1/2 Joy

dishwashingliq.

helps control fleas and ticks,plus makes the hair

shiny.

Another to repel fleas and insects, NOT FOR CATS

1 qt. liquid shampoo(liquid castille soap)

2 drops pennyroyal or peppermint oil

2 drops lavender oil

2drops cedarwood oil

This one help's to relieve dog's dry skin and makes

their coat shiney.

Mix together in a one gallon container:

12 oz. liquid Ivory liquid soap

2 oz. Liquid Glycerine

2 oz. white vinegar

fill rest of gallon container with water and shake to

mix together.

I used a holistic vet for years. He always said to use

a bar of ivory soap, kills fleas and helps the skin.

When you find out more info. on making shampoo,please

let me know. Thanks

--- 2didi@... wrote:

> Hello!

>

> I haven't posted for ages, but have been enjoying

> everyone's

> comments. Thank-you for your great insights; I hope

> I can contribute

> some of my own ideas once I have some more

> experience!

>

> I'm interested in making a liquid pet shampoo,

> either using my own

> liquid base or by adding eo's to another company's

> unscented base

> formula. I've heard, though, that liquid shampoo

> bases are much

> harsher than shampoos in bar form, which I currently

> make. Is this

> true? If so, any ideas on how to formulate a " less

> harsh " liquid

> base?

>

> Any info anyone has on this topic would be very much

> appreciated. I

> think there has been some discussion on liquid

> shampoo bases in the

> past, but I haven't been able to find the right

> postings! I'd also

> be interested in finding some suppliers that you

> recommend for liquid

> shampoo bases to find out more re: ingredients used.

>

>

> Thanks in advance!! All the best,

> Kim

>

>

>

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Hello can anyone give me some receipts for dog biscuits told my grandson we

would make some now I can not find receipts thanks

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Re: liquid shampoo base: harsher than bars?

Just my kind of person. I was in the Humane Society

for 11 yrs. before moving and having an injury that

keeps me from doing like I would like to. I have been

getting recipes for natural treats for dogs as well as

checking into shampoo's.

One shampoo: 1/2 's oil & 1/2 Joy

dishwashingliq.

helps control fleas and ticks,plus makes the hair

shiny.

Another to repel fleas and insects, NOT FOR CATS

1 qt. liquid shampoo(liquid castille soap)

2 drops pennyroyal or peppermint oil

2 drops lavender oil

2drops cedarwood oil

This one help's to relieve dog's dry skin and makes

their coat shiney.

Mix together in a one gallon container:

12 oz. liquid Ivory liquid soap

2 oz. Liquid Glycerine

2 oz. white vinegar

fill rest of gallon container with water and shake to

mix together.

I used a holistic vet for years. He always said to use

a bar of ivory soap, kills fleas and helps the skin.

When you find out more info. on making shampoo,please

let me know. Thanks

--- 2didi@... wrote:

> Hello!

>

> I haven't posted for ages, but have been enjoying

> everyone's

> comments. Thank-you for your great insights; I hope

> I can contribute

> some of my own ideas once I have some more

> experience!

>

> I'm interested in making a liquid pet shampoo,

> either using my own

> liquid base or by adding eo's to another company's

> unscented base

> formula. I've heard, though, that liquid shampoo

> bases are much

> harsher than shampoos in bar form, which I currently

> make. Is this

> true? If so, any ideas on how to formulate a " less

> harsh " liquid

> base?

>

> Any info anyone has on this topic would be very much

> appreciated. I

> think there has been some discussion on liquid

> shampoo bases in the

> past, but I haven't been able to find the right

> postings! I'd also

> be interested in finding some suppliers that you

> recommend for liquid

> shampoo bases to find out more re: ingredients used.

>

>

> Thanks in advance!! All the best,

> Kim

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I've been making my shampoo with mostly olive oil a little coconut and

superfatting generously with Turkey Red and Glycerin. It works well for my

hair but I have recently made some herbal color shampoos (the only one that

is clear is the madder root/annatto seed) but I've been using the

chamomile/calendula castile and it is indeed milder than the plain shampoo.

It is pretty in it's own way. I've also made blue malva, black malva, and

clove. I made a puree of sulfonated castor with all the herbs except the

madder root and annatto which I made a herbal water, straining out the seeds

and root pieces. Am getting ready now to send some to testers to see how

they work on different hair colors.

I now want to make a moisturizing shampoo for all colors of hair and for

permed or colored hair. Can't decide what I want to do though. I have

recipes for very moisturizing soaps and wonder what would happen if I used

one of those recipes with sodium potassium. Has anyone tried that? The

salon that is interested in buying the conditioning shampoo does not care

whether it is clear or not. They just want it to work.

Anne,

ANNE LEE'S

www.annelees.com

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Milk Bone Dog Biscuits

3/4 c. hot water

1/3 c. margarine

1/2 c. powdered milk

1 teaspoon salt

1 egg, beaten

3 cups whole wheat flour

Variation: increase margarine to 1/2 c. and add 2

teaspoons sugar.

In large bowl pour hot water over the margarine. Stir

in powdered milk, salt, and egg. Add flour,1/2 c. at a

time. Knead for a feew minutes to form stiff dough.

Pat or roll to 1/2 " thickness. Cut into bone shapes.

Bake at 325degrees for 50 minutes. Cool. They will dry

out quite hard. Makes about 1 1/4 pounds of biscuits.

Cost around 30 cents per pound.

--- jgeorge <jgeorge04@...> wrote:

> Hello can anyone give me some receipts for dog

> biscuits told my grandson we would make some now I

> can not find receipts thanks

>

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> Re: liquid shampoo base:

> harsher than bars?

>

>

> Just my kind of person. I was in the Humane

> Society

> for 11 yrs. before moving and having an injury

> that

> keeps me from doing like I would like to. I have

> been

> getting recipes for natural treats for dogs as

> well as

> checking into shampoo's.

> One shampoo: 1/2 's oil & 1/2 Joy

> dishwashingliq.

> helps control fleas and ticks,plus makes the hair

> shiny.

> Another to repel fleas and insects, NOT FOR CATS

> 1 qt. liquid shampoo(liquid castille soap)

> 2 drops pennyroyal or peppermint oil

> 2 drops lavender oil

> 2drops cedarwood oil

> This one help's to relieve dog's dry skin and

> makes

> their coat shiney.

> Mix together in a one gallon container:

> 12 oz. liquid Ivory liquid soap

> 2 oz. Liquid Glycerine

> 2 oz. white vinegar

> fill rest of gallon container with water and shake

> to

> mix together.

> I used a holistic vet for years. He always said to

> use

> a bar of ivory soap, kills fleas and helps the

> skin.

> When you find out more info. on making

> shampoo,please

> let me know. Thanks

> --- 2didi@... wrote:

> > Hello!

> >

> > I haven't posted for ages, but have been

> enjoying

> > everyone's

> > comments. Thank-you for your great insights; I

> hope

> > I can contribute

> > some of my own ideas once I have some more

> > experience!

> >

> > I'm interested in making a liquid pet shampoo,

> > either using my own

> > liquid base or by adding eo's to another

> company's

> > unscented base

> > formula. I've heard, though, that liquid

> shampoo

> > bases are much

> > harsher than shampoos in bar form, which I

> currently

> > make. Is this

> > true? If so, any ideas on how to formulate a

> " less

> > harsh " liquid

> > base?

> >

> > Any info anyone has on this topic would be very

> much

> > appreciated. I

> > think there has been some discussion on liquid

> > shampoo bases in the

> > past, but I haven't been able to find the right

> > postings! I'd also

> > be interested in finding some suppliers that you

> > recommend for liquid

> > shampoo bases to find out more re: ingredients

> used.

> >

> >

> > Thanks in advance!! All the best,

> > Kim

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Re: liquid shampoo base:

> harsher than bars?

>

>

> Just my kind of person. I was in the Humane

> Society

> for 11 yrs. before moving and having an injury

> that

> keeps me from doing like I would like to. I have

> been

> getting recipes for natural treats for dogs as

> well as

> checking into shampoo's.

> One shampoo: 1/2 's oil & 1/2 Joy

> dishwashingliq.

> helps control fleas and ticks,plus makes the hair

> shiny.

> Another to repel fleas and insects, NOT FOR CATS

> 1 qt. liquid shampoo(liquid castille soap)

> 2 drops pennyroyal or peppermint oil

> 2 drops lavender oil

> 2drops cedarwood oil

> This one help's to relieve dog's dry skin and

> makes

> their coat shiney.

> Mix together in a one gallon container:

> 12 oz. liquid Ivory liquid soap

> 2 oz. Liquid Glycerine

> 2 oz. white vinegar

> fill rest of gallon container with water and shake

> to

> mix together.

> I used a holistic vet for years. He always said to

> use

> a bar of ivory soap, kills fleas and helps the

> skin.

> When you find out more info. on making

> shampoo,please

> let me know. Thanks

> --- 2didi@... wrote:

> > Hello!

> >

> > I haven't posted for ages, but have been

> enjoying

> > everyone's

> > comments. Thank-you for your great insights; I

> hope

> > I can contribute

> > some of my own ideas once I have some more

> > experience!

> >

> > I'm interested in making a liquid pet shampoo,

> > either using my own

> > liquid base or by adding eo's to another

> company's

> > unscented base

> > formula. I've heard, though, that liquid

> shampoo

> > bases are much

> > harsher than shampoos in bar form, which I

> currently

> > make. Is this

> > true? If so, any ideas on how to formulate a

> " less

> > harsh " liquid

> > base?

> >

> > Any info anyone has on this topic would be very

> much

> > appreciated. I

> > think there has been some discussion on liquid

> > shampoo bases in the

> > past, but I haven't been able to find the right

> > postings! I'd also

> > be interested in finding some suppliers that you

> > recommend for liquid

> > shampoo bases to find out more re: ingredients

> used.

> >

> >

> > Thanks in advance!! All the best,

> > Kim

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Thank-you for your ideas re: liquid pet shampoos (the biscuit

recipes are great too!). I wonder what it is about Ivory soap that

is so effective? Hmmm... I plan to do some experimenting very soon,

so if I come up with some useful results, I'll post my findings. I

like the idea of using a castille base -- I'll have to look into

suppliers. The glycerin/vinegar recipe also sounds especially

intriguing: so many animals seem to develop dry skin, so this would

be very moisturizing. Incidentally, I work for an assistance dog

society in Canada, and we work very closely with humane societies

throughout the province of B.C. It's certainly rewarding work and I

wouldn't trade it for the world!!

All the best,

Kim

> Just my kind of person. I was in the Humane Society

> for 11 yrs. before moving and having an injury that

> keeps me from doing like I would like to. I have been

> getting recipes for natural treats for dogs as well as

> checking into shampoo's.

[Guest guest]

Anne, your shampoo recipes sound wonderful: good luck with the blends

you are about to test! I'm planning to try my hand at working with

potassium hydroxide this weekend. I picked up a book on liquid

soapmaking (the name and author have completely escaped me at the

moment, but it was published in 2000 and written by someone living

in... Oregon??? hmmm...). Anyway, the info is great, but the

instructions seem difficult to follow and a bit overwhelming! Once

I've tried it, hopefully I'll find the process a bit easier to

understand.

It sounds like you have a lot of experience with liquid shampoos --

do you find that they are more finicky and complicated than making

bar soaps? I also wonder about shelf life with the liquids made from

scratch. I usually superfat my bar soaps, which does limit their

shelf life a bit I suppose (still, I haven't had major problems with

spoilage), so I wonder if you feel a liquid shampoo, especially an

extra moisturizing one, would require extra preservatives ie. vit. E

or Grapefruit Seed Extract? Just wondering aloud.

Does anyone else out there have experience with liquid soap making?

If so, what are your thoughts on the quality of the products you've

developed and the process itself? If I actually accomplish my goal

of making liquid shampoo this weekend, I'll try to post some thoughts

on the results -- even if they are disasterous :-) .

All the best,

Kim

[Guest guest]

Oh, I've only done about 10 batches but I have made quite a bit of

transparent soap and in some ways they are similar. She does not recommend

using herbs but I had a request for color shampoos made with herbs and plant

stuff which is why I am working with them. The soap is not clear when you

put these things in and it has to be shaken because I've had a small amount

of separation. I'll work on that when I get a fomula accepted--they need

more conditioning shampoo for their daily shampoo than I gave them because

they work with so much colored, permed and damaged hair.

I think it is important to read your book 3 times unless you have a

photographic memory, then decide which method you are going to use (I did

both and decided I liked the paste best) and then make yourself a fairly

detailed outline. Information is all over the place and it is hard to look

it up when you're in the midst of doing something new.

Good luck and do let us know how it goes.

Anne,

ANNE LEE'S

www.annelees.com

[Guest guest]

From: " Beyer " <angela_beyer@...>

> One shampoo: 1/2 's oil & 1/2 Joy

> dishwashingliq.

I would think using liquid or gel castille would be much better for the

animal since it wouldn't contain all the synthetic detergents the

dishwashing liquid does.

I'm not sure about the Oil Soap. I cannot find ANY information about

its ingredients. Yes, it does say it's an pure vegetable oil soap.

HOWEVER, it is possible to make such a soap with undesired chemicals or

other additives. I've seen this with a number of products from large

companies. Even the label " all-natural " doesn't necessarily mean it is. I

went to the site and looked at their FAQ. Here is the first question

and answer:

What is Oil Soap made from?

Oil Soap is a safe, naturally gentle soap, specially formulated for

cleaning wood and other household surfaces. And it leaves your home smelling

fresh and clean. 's contains no harsh detergents, ammonia, or bleach.

As you can see, there is no mention of specific ingredients. They

pussy-footed around the question and didn't answer it at all. When I see

" what is it made from " I expect to see ingredients, not a marketing spiel.

> 12 oz. liquid Ivory liquid soap

> I used a holistic vet for years. He always said to use

> a bar of ivory soap, kills fleas and helps the skin.

Just my personal opinion and observation here. I would never use Ivory soap

(dish liquid or regular bath) for any skin care ... human or animal. It

contains lemongrass, which is a skin irritant. It really did a number on my

ex's skin whenever he used it. I also had problems with it when I was using

it for a rebatch experiment (before I started making my own soap).

NightShade

Minds are like parachutes ... they only function when open.

[Guest guest]

From: <2didi@...>

>>> so I wonder if you feel a liquid shampoo, especially an extra

moisturizing one, would require extra preservatives ie. vit. E or Grapefruit

Seed Extract? Just wondering aloud. <<<

Vitamin E is not a preservative. It is an anti-oxidant which means it slows

the rancidity rate of oil. It is a good idea to include Vitamin E in any

recipe which uses oil to help shelf life. It's also good for your skin. :-)

GSE is touted as a preservative, however, very little literature exists on

it. About the only thing I've found so far to date is the info the

manufacturer puts out. However, I and many others have used it with success

.... at least for short-term shelf life. But to be on the safe side, you

should test your product for growths. Snowdrift Farm sells a home test kit

that is reasonably priced. The cost is well worth it to ensure the quality

of your product. If it were me, I would test the product at the following

weeks: 1, 2, 4, 6, 8, 12, 16, 20, and 24. This would help me determine

whether or not my preservative system worked, and when any degradation of

the product occurred (both of which determine shelf life).

To be absolutely safe, you should use a preservative such as Germaben II.

There's another one that I've heard about recently, but I can't remember the

name of it. The issue of all-natural vs using something like Germaben is

the one thing that keeps me from seriously considering selling any

water-based products I may make. I want completely all-natural, but am

aware of the quality and safety issues involved.

NightShade

Minds are like parachutes ... they only function when open.

[Guest guest]

Sorry that it has taken so long to respond. I got the

recipe for the 's oil shampoo from the internet.

Can't remember where? If you take your dog to a

groomer chances are that he/she will be washed the

first time with Dawn dishwashing liquid. It cuts the

grease on the dog, so when they do a second washing

they use a dog shampoo and they don't have to use so

much. I helped a friend at a grooming shop. One of the

ladies that groomed at several shops said that's what

they always do.

Now as far as the ivory soap. Dr. Norman Ralston, as

well known holistic vet told me to use it on my dogs.

I had no problem with it, but it felt rough when

rinsing their hair. No skin problems and no flea's.

I am interested in homemade shampoo's as I have

several dogs and want the best for them. My friends

think I have lost it, cause they just go to the pet

store and get theirs without the hassle. Any info. on

shampoo's is very much appreciated. Thanks

--- NightShade <lady_nightshade@...> wrote:

> From: " Beyer " <angela_beyer@...>

>

> > One shampoo: 1/2 's oil & 1/2 Joy

> > dishwashingliq.

>

> I would think using liquid or gel castille would be

> much better for the

> animal since it wouldn't contain all the synthetic

> detergents the

> dishwashing liquid does.

>

> I'm not sure about the Oil Soap. I cannot

> find ANY information about

> its ingredients. Yes, it does say it's an pure

> vegetable oil soap.

> HOWEVER, it is possible to make such a soap with

> undesired chemicals or

> other additives. I've seen this with a number of

> products from large

> companies. Even the label " all-natural " doesn't

> necessarily mean it is. I

> went to the site and looked at their FAQ.

> Here is the first question

> and answer:

>

> What is Oil Soap made from?

> Oil Soap is a safe, naturally gentle soap,

> specially formulated for

> cleaning wood and other household surfaces. And it

> leaves your home smelling

> fresh and clean. 's contains no harsh

> detergents, ammonia, or bleach.

>

> As you can see, there is no mention of specific

> ingredients. They

> pussy-footed around the question and didn't answer

> it at all. When I see

> " what is it made from " I expect to see ingredients,

> not a marketing spiel.

>

> > 12 oz. liquid Ivory liquid soap

> > I used a holistic vet for years. He always said to

> use

> > a bar of ivory soap, kills fleas and helps the

> skin.

>

> Just my personal opinion and observation here. I

> would never use Ivory soap

> (dish liquid or regular bath) for any skin care ...

> human or animal. It

> contains lemongrass, which is a skin irritant. It

> really did a number on my

> ex's skin whenever he used it. I also had problems

> with it when I was using

> it for a rebatch experiment (before I started making

> my own soap).

>

> NightShade

>

> Minds are like parachutes ... they only function

> when open.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Kim- Good luck with the shampoo's and keep us posted

as there is so many dogs with skin problems. I started

looking for something different when my Mom's dog

started losing hair and her skin was raw. Her vet kept

giving her shots that lasted two or three days. Now,

she is a ball of fur.We just keep our fingers crossed.

I was in the Humane Society for 11 yrs., I enjoyed it

very much and still have animals that I work with.

--- 2didi@... wrote:

>

> Thank-you for your ideas re: liquid pet

> shampoos (the biscuit

> recipes are great too!). I wonder what it is about

> Ivory soap that

> is so effective? Hmmm... I plan to do some

> experimenting very soon,

> so if I come up with some useful results, I'll post

> my findings. I

> like the idea of using a castille base -- I'll have

> to look into

> suppliers. The glycerin/vinegar recipe also sounds

> especially

> intriguing: so many animals seem to develop dry

> skin, so this would

> be very moisturizing. Incidentally, I work for an

> assistance dog

> society in Canada, and we work very closely with

> humane societies

> throughout the province of B.C. It's certainly

> rewarding work and I

> wouldn't trade it for the world!!

>

> All the best,

> Kim

>

> > Just my kind of person. I was in the Humane

> Society

> > for 11 yrs. before moving and having an injury

> that

> > keeps me from doing like I would like to. I have

> been

> > getting recipes for natural treats for dogs as

> well as

> > checking into shampoo's.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Here is a recipe for a pet shampoo bar:

100 grams castor oil (3.53 oz)

500 grams coconut oil (17.64 oz)

250 grams olive oil (8.82 oz)

500 grams palm oil (17.64 oz)

1000 grams shortening (35.27 oz)

12 oz lye dissolved in 650 grams (22.9 oz) distilled water

..5 oz lavender eo

1 oz tea tree eo

..5 oz rosemary eo

..25 oz clary sage eo

..25 oz vitamin e

hope this helps

sunny

lizard head natural products