Re: Carbohydrate count in Raw Whole Cows Milk Kafer

[Guest guest]

Our bodies are smarter than we are and they know what is good for them. I

wouldn't worry about car count. Keep drinking the kefir.

Al

Carbohydrate count in Raw Whole Cows Milk Kafer

I am making raw whole cow milk Kefir and am wondering about the carb count

in this drink. Can't seem to find any information on home made raw milk Kefir

carbohydrate count. Anyone here know the answer?

The more of this good stuff I drink the more I want. How much is to much?

Lou in Florida

[Guest guest]

I would not worry about carb or calorie count of healing foods, either. But

would the Weston A. Price site have that information? I don't know what that

site name is, but that's what I thought of as a possible place to look.

Lyn

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From: ouched63188@...

Our bodies are smarter than we are and they know what is good for them. I

wouldn't worry about car count. Keep drinking the kefir.

Al

-----Original Message-----

I am making raw whole cow milk Kefir and am wondering about the carb count in

this drink. Can't seem to find any information on home made raw milk Kefir

carbohydrate count. Anyone here know the answer?

The more of this good stuff I drink the more I want. How much is to much?

Lou in Florida

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I understand the need to count calories and things like that...it is something I

have to do as well. If you can't find any information on this, I would go with

the carb count in the milk before it is kefir. If there is a difference between

the two, I would imagine the difference is that the kefir has less carbs than

the milk. So, if you are counting by the milk count, at least you will not go

over what your body can handle going by the count in the milk because that would

be the maximum that is in it.

I do not know this info with 100% certainty...but, just knowing what happens in

the fermentation process, that would be my guess on what to do.

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> I am making raw whole cow milk Kefir and am wondering about the carb count in

this drink. Can't seem to find any information on home made raw milk Kefir

carbohydrate count. Anyone here know the answer?

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> The more of this good stuff I drink the more I want. How much is to much?

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> Lou in Florida

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[Guest guest]

According to Dom, the longer the ferment the less lactose (milk sugars

=carbohydrates) is in the finished kefir. So, sounds like it would be

impossible for there to be nutritional info available for real kefir because

everyone brews it differently. Also, if there is more cream in the milk then

there would be less lactose to start with. Lots of variables!

Roy

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National Coalition for Public School Options

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On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:08 PM, wrote:

> I understand the need to count calories and things like that...it is something

I have to do as well. If you can't find any information on this, I would go with

the carb count in the milk before it is kefir. If there is a difference between

the two, I would imagine the difference is that the kefir has less carbs than

the milk. So, if you are counting by the milk count, at least you will not go

over what your body can handle going by the count in the milk because that would

be the maximum that is in it.

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> I do not know this info with 100% certainty...but, just knowing what happens

in the fermentation process, that would be my guess on what to do.

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in this drink. Can't seem to find any information on home made raw milk Kefir

carbohydrate count. Anyone here know the answer?

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> > The more of this good stuff I drink the more I want. How much is to much?

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> > Lou in Florida

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[Guest guest]

THis might help:

http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-liberty-kefir-plain-i84981

--Kim

[Guest guest]

Here is the link to Westons A. Price Foundation http://www.westonaprice.org/

It's also really not about the calories, it's more about the quality of the

calories. You can't compare the calories from a twinkie to calories from kefir

for example. They are completely different in that the twinkle calories are

full of non-food chemicals and the calories from kefir have nutritional

benefits.

Al

Re: Carbohydrate count in Raw Whole Cows Milk Kafer

I would not worry about carb or calorie count of healing foods, either.

But would the Weston A. Price site have that information? I don't know what that

site name is, but that's what I thought of as a possible place to look.

Lyn

----- Original Message -----

From: ouched63188@...

Our bodies are smarter than we are and they know what is good for them. I

wouldn't worry about car count. Keep drinking the kefir.

Al

-----Original Message-----

I am making raw whole cow milk Kefir and am wondering about the carb count in

this drink. Can't seem to find any information on home made raw milk Kefir

carbohydrate count. Anyone here know the answer?

The more of this good stuff I drink the more I want. How much is to much?

Lou in Florida

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link.

I'd like to disagree with the rating of " C+ " that particular site gives

kefir. The site says kefir is bed because it is high in sugar and high in

fat. I'm sorry, but 3% of daily RDA sugar and 5% daily RDA fat is

MINISCULE, even more so when one takes in the protein, calcium, and

probiotic content of the kefir, per calorie count. Kefir is almost a

perfect food!

Kim A.

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Wow, they are saying it's high in sugar??? So, I suppose this website must say

that drinking milk is bad because it's high in sugar? Seriously? That is

strange. A glass of carrot juice has over twice the amount of sugar as kefir,

and I certainly do not consider carrot juice to be loaded with sugar.

My body does not handle sugar well at all. I do not have diabetes or

anything...I'm not sure why sugar bothers me so badly. It causes me to have body

aches and my stomach to hurt. But, kefir does not cause me the slightest

problems like that.

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[Guest guest]

People who are diabetic or just have trouble with sugar benefit from GTF

Chromium. The GTF stands for Glucose Tolerance Factor and is a whole food form

of Chromium. Never take Chromium Picolinate, a synthetic, as it is a Cellular

waste product...cellular poo...it is patented by the US government and is much

less effective. There are several articles on www.neturalnews.com about the

topic.

Al

Re: Carbohydrate count in Raw Whole Cows Milk Kafer

Wow, they are saying it's high in sugar??? So, I suppose this website must

say that drinking milk is bad because it's high in sugar? Seriously? That is

strange. A glass of carrot juice has over twice the amount of sugar as kefir,

and I certainly do not consider carrot juice to be loaded with sugar.

My body does not handle sugar well at all. I do not have diabetes or

anything...I'm not sure why sugar bothers me so badly. It causes me to have body

aches and my stomach to hurt. But, kefir does not cause me the slightest

problems like that.

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[Guest guest]

IMO, This is not a good comparison because commercial kefir is not just not the

same.

On Mar 4, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Kim H wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Yeah, I wasn't too happy with that 'c+' rating, either...I think this is a case

of either promotion of a certain brand of kefir...or its the food poliuce going

overboard.

On Saturday, I received Kefir grains from Carole who offered them to me on this

list...and I have already made 2 quarts of kefir from them...*S...yesterdays

batch,I made sure the milk was warm in the morning when I added it to my

grains...and it fermented quicker and is more sour thant hte batch that was made

overnight on Saturday; in fat, I ALMOST let it go too long and would have ended

up with cheese! *LOL*

I have been following the thread on someone having issues with their kefir being

too active, and I think I have worked this out for myself, at least, where it

works:

I have a rack that sits next to the stove on the widdle bitty bit of a cabinet

between the stove and fridge ( I live in a 1-bedroom apartment right now) and

that is where I sit my container of kefir to ferment. Its fairly warm; the jar

is exposed to the warm air from the refrigerator coils when the fridge cycles,

and it takes about 12 to 18 hours for war, milk to become kefir, 24 for cold

milk. I have noit tried it on TOP of the fridge yet...so I don't know how fast

it will ferment on top.

I check the kefir several times a day; I now know that when I see the JUST

beginning stage of seperation, that is when I need to strain it..not like last

night, where it was almost too thick to strain through the netting.

Now, last night, I put cold milk, straight from the fridge, in my kefir

jar...because I wanted to slow the process down a bit so that I can learn about

it better. This morning, the milk is a little under room temperature, but seems

to be doing okay...you can tell the kefir is doing its thing, just slower.

SInce we have been having such lovely weather in Texas where I live, I have also

been opening up the window and door daily for fresh air and I know that heats

the air in the apartment up, too; so I would say the temperatures in here range

somewhere between 65 and 75 degrees on a daily basis. Right now, I don't have a

thermometer to stick over in the spot where I have my kefir fermenting, so I

can't tell you what the temperature is in that area; when I get to the store

this next week, I'll grab a smallone so I can put it on the wall and see just

how warm it gets in that spot.

So, thats my progress so far; I haven't killed the kefir yet, and its doing its

thing...*S* -- Kim

[Guest guest]

On Dom's kefir site there is a good chart showing detailed nutrition information

for kefir:

http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefir-composition.htm#tb1

Unfortunately the chart doesn't specify whether the milk is cow's or goat's milk

- based on one of the notes it seems to be pasteurized. We can tell from the fat

content - 3.5% after culture - that this is whole milk. Obviously skim, 1%, and

2% will have higher lactose. I would assume this info better reflects the

homemade kefir folks on this list are drinking, as opposed to the commercial

kefir evaluated on the other website.

There are a few factors such as time of initial and secondary fermentation,

source of milk, etc., that aren't listed with the chart but they may be

specified in the primary references Dom listed here:

http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/ref.htm#table1

Dom also has a nice chart listing the nutrition info for different type of milk

here - because the nutrition content of the kefir will have everything to do

with what you start with:

http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/milk-types.htm

Hope that helps. FWIW I also agree that the " C+ " grade given on the mainstream

nutrition website is just silly.

Best,

Dillingham

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> Wow, they are saying it's high in sugar??? So, I suppose this website

must say that drinking milk is bad because it's high in sugar? Seriously? That

is strange. A glass of carrot juice has over twice the amount of sugar as kefir,

and I certainly do not consider carrot juice to be loaded with sugar.

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anything...I'm not sure why sugar bothers me so badly. It causes me to have body

aches and my stomach to hurt. But, kefir does not cause me the slightest

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