Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Grains are in more things than just bread. Anything made with any kind of flour or cornstarch is a problem. Gravies or sauces which are thickened with it. Also meatloaf or meetballs etc which are bound up with breadcrumbs. ANY kind of cereal hot or cold. Any of the " whites " such as potatoes, rice, pasta, couscous, homiiny, grits, cornbread etc etc. Also many veggies have a very high sugar content & should be avoided such as peas, carrots, onions, tomatoes, beets, winter squash, turnips, rutabagas etc etc. It takes reading labels & nutrition info to get rid of everything one can. Anything that has been processed into packaged food is out, even canned or dry soups & other stuff. It is surprising what one must do away with. High fructose corn syrup is in everything==try to find a hotdog without it! cappie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 cappie@... wrote: > > > Grains are in more things than just bread. > Anything made with any kind of flour or cornstarch is a problem. > > Gravies or sauces which are thickened with it. Also meatloaf or > meetballs etc which are bound up with breadcrumbs. ANY kind of cereal > hot or cold. Any of the " whites " such as potatoes, rice, pasta, > couscous, homiiny, grits, cornbread etc etc. > > Also many veggies have a very high sugar content & should be avoided > such as peas, carrots, onions, tomatoes, beets, winter squash, turnips, > rutabagas etc etc. I disagree with this list of veggies with two exceptions. One is the peas are legumes and weren't generally eaten pre agriculture. The other is some of the root veggies. Some paleo dieters don't agree with foods that only are found in the Americas. I don't happen to fall in that camp. > It takes reading labels & nutrition info to get rid of everything one > can. Anything that has been processed into packaged food is out, even > canned or dry soups & other stuff. It is surprising what one must do > away with. High fructose corn syrup is in everything==try to find a > hotdog without it! > > cappie -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 cappie@... wrote: > > > Grains are in more things than just bread. > Anything made with any kind of flour or cornstarch is a problem. > > Gravies or sauces which are thickened with it. Also meatloaf or > meetballs etc which are bound up with breadcrumbs. ANY kind of cereal > hot or cold. Any of the " whites " such as potatoes, rice, pasta, > couscous, homiiny, grits, cornbread etc etc. > > Also many veggies have a very high sugar content & should be avoided > such as peas, carrots, onions, tomatoes, beets, winter squash, turnips, > rutabagas etc etc. I disagree with this list of veggies with two exceptions. One is the peas are legumes and weren't generally eaten pre agriculture. The other is some of the root veggies. Some paleo dieters don't agree with foods that only are found in the Americas. I don't happen to fall in that camp. > It takes reading labels & nutrition info to get rid of everything one > can. Anything that has been processed into packaged food is out, even > canned or dry soups & other stuff. It is surprising what one must do > away with. High fructose corn syrup is in everything==try to find a > hotdog without it! > > cappie -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 <I disagree with this list of veggies > Steve: what do you disagree with--eating them? I am saying that most root veggies are full of sugar & are therefore higher in carb load than green veggies. If one is trying to eat a lower carb diet then avoiding them is more practical. (PS I forgot to add corn to the list) As a diabetic I have not eliminated onions or tomatoes from my diet but I do try to go light with them. The others are rarely on my table at all any more. I eat a total of about 50 to 75 carbs a day & maintain an A1c of around 5% all the time & have lost around 150 lbs since T2 diagnosis over 7 yrs ago. I used a statin for around 10 yrs. I never had any side effects from it that I was aware of untill this last year when I started having spasms in my ribs & abdomen despite eating a low carb diet for 7yrs & also having taken coQ10 & fish oil for around 9 yrs. After stopping the statin around a month ago I noticed that I sleep better, am not so depressed nor cranky anymore & mainly the unremitting hunger that I experienced for the last 14 months which caused me to regain about 50lbs has gone away also. cappie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 <I disagree with this list of veggies > Steve: what do you disagree with--eating them? I am saying that most root veggies are full of sugar & are therefore higher in carb load than green veggies. If one is trying to eat a lower carb diet then avoiding them is more practical. (PS I forgot to add corn to the list) As a diabetic I have not eliminated onions or tomatoes from my diet but I do try to go light with them. The others are rarely on my table at all any more. I eat a total of about 50 to 75 carbs a day & maintain an A1c of around 5% all the time & have lost around 150 lbs since T2 diagnosis over 7 yrs ago. I used a statin for around 10 yrs. I never had any side effects from it that I was aware of untill this last year when I started having spasms in my ribs & abdomen despite eating a low carb diet for 7yrs & also having taken coQ10 & fish oil for around 9 yrs. After stopping the statin around a month ago I noticed that I sleep better, am not so depressed nor cranky anymore & mainly the unremitting hunger that I experienced for the last 14 months which caused me to regain about 50lbs has gone away also. cappie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 In a message dated 5/23/2010 9:59:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jdrows@... writes: Quinoa is not a grain. It's a seed.JD Someone up above has directed me to this group as I have "aLOT" to learn. Thanks for the clarification, JD! But once I cook it, it probably loses some of it's good qualities?! Please bear with me as I have fibromyalgia and had three different cancers (2 surgeries) in 12 years and now my brain is mush from the toxins (chemo and daily medication) and 3 different sessions of radiation that I have endured....just thinking of grocery shopping makes me want to lay down and nap! Janice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 In a message dated 5/23/2010 11:48:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kareningotham@... writes: Grains function as seeds (which is why part of a harvest is held back) but regardless, they're regarded as cereals which quinoa isn't. It is, however, very cute when it pops. I have difficulty swallowing (due to cancer treatments / radiation to head and neck) so I find that the quinoa made with milk and served with milk is a great breakfast cereal for me (add blueberries, raisins or whatever to it)....I realize that some make it for other uses such as like cous cous with veggies.....my challenges make it a wonderful breakfast! Janice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 In a message dated 5/23/2010 1:39:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kareningotham@... writes: We're gonna have you swallowing better in no time! Appreciate the help.....I have no saliva left due to the radiation and it will never come back....some days are better than others and I basically have given up on eating meats! Although I do have to chew and swallow to keep the scar tissue from building so "drinking" all my meals would not be the best thing for me....but to supplement and get some energy would be lovely! Janice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 Quinoa is not a grain. It's a seed.JDOn Sun, May 23, 2010 at 9:50 AM, <PinkRibbonJanice@...> wrote:  In a message dated 5/23/2010 9:06:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lsavage@... writes: For in depth information on why it is good to go wheat free (and as much as possible grain free) can be found in the following books which I highly recommend:   WOW Lea Ann ~ eye opener....and here I am eating Quinoa every morning for breakfast as I was told it was Mother Nature's Best food for nutrients....  Now I am totally confused and will have to read more....lots of reading to do and thanks for the links!  Janice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 Grains function as seeds (which is why part of a harvest is held back) but regardless, they're regarded as cereals which quinoa isn't. It is, however, very cute when it pops. Re: grains  Quinoa is not a grain. It's a seed. JD On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 9:50 AM, & lt;PinkRibbonJanice@... & gt; wrote:  In a message dated 5/23/2010 9:06:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lsavage@... writes: For in depth information on why it is good to go wheat free (and as much as possible grain free) can be found in the following books which I highly recommend:   WOW Lea Ann ~ eye opener....and here I am eating Quinoa every morning for breakfast as I was told it was Mother Nature's Best food for nutrients....  Now I am totally confused and will have to read more....lots of reading to do and thanks for the links!  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 My mom has fibromyalgia, too. Horrible. Re: grains  In a message dated 5/23/2010 9:59:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jdrows@... writes: Quinoa is not a grain. It's a seed. JD  Someone up above has directed me to this group as I have " aLOT " to learn. Thanks for the clarification, JD! But once I cook it, it probably loses some of it's good qualities?!  Please bear with me as I have fibromyalgia and had three different cancers (2 surgeries) in 12 years and now my brain is mush from the toxins (chemo and daily medication) and 3 different sessions of radiation that I have endured....just thinking of grocery shopping makes me want to lay down and nap!  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 We're gonna have you swallowing better in no time! Re: grains  In a message dated 5/23/2010 11:48:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kareningotham@... writes: Grains function as seeds (which is why part of a harvest is held back) but regardless, they're regarded as cereals which quinoa isn't. It is, however, very cute when it pops.  I have difficulty swallowing (due to cancer treatments / radiation to head and neck) so I find that the quinoa made with milk and served with milk is a great breakfast cereal for me (add blueberries, raisins or whatever to it)....I realize that some make it for other uses such as like cous cous with veggies.....my challenges make it a wonderful breakfast!  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 I not only have celiac disease, but an extreme wheat ALLERGY too (yes, they are different things altogether), and I went gluten/wheat free years ago, which of course meant I turned to other grains......and I continued to have problems. Once I started REALLY limiting ALL grains, my health really improved. I have them in moderation now, primarily buckwheat, gluten free oats, and red quinoa, but do find I have flare ups more often if I go overboard. Most cultures, especially ours, are raised on high grain diets, so we never give any thought to the fact that we are very likely over doing them. -NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 Good News Janice - You DON'T have to give up on eating meats!!! I blend my cooked grass fed beef into a liquid all of the time. When I am at a show I only take a 10 minute (or less) break to eat a lunch/dinner combo (the rest is all samples of my samples :-) For that I basically make my tortilla soup without the cheese or the corn, chips, or beans and instead add 2 huge hand fulls of greens (I vary my greens between spinach, kale, and collards) and a 4 oz. (or so) chunck of my cooked grass fed been (just don't have time to chew). I do mix the saliva with my mouthfulls and I do take some time with it, but I still need the help of the Vitamix to help me speed up the masticating process when I'm doing shows. I actually love the flavor of the meat (sometimes I use chicken) in my "Green Tortilla Soup". All of that is to say that you CAN blend up your meat if you want to... In fact, I was in a hurry again today and wanted to make the cream of kale recipe in the Eat Right America guide. I added my beef to the cream sauce because! To be honest, I have a tooth that catches meat and I haven't fixed that tooth yet and lately I'm just preferring to liquify my meat when I can work it in to a recipe! Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL321-773-7088 (home)321-961-9219 (cell)www.VitamixLady.comwww..com 13:35 <)))>< Re: grains In a message dated 5/23/2010 1:39:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kareningothamaol writes: We're gonna have you swallowing better in no time! Appreciate the help.....I have no saliva left due to the radiation and it will never come back....some days are better than others and I basically have given up on eating meats! Although I do have to chew and swallow to keep the scar tissue from building so "drinking" all my meals would not be the best thing for me....but to supplement and get some energy would be lovely! Janice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 Although my condition (chronic fatigue aka Epstein Barr) is not as sever as yours , I found that limiting wheat was extremely beneficial and over time, I too find that I limit my grain consumption more and more. Lucky for me I don't have full blown allergies and eating grains ocassionally allows me to not feel deprived which makes it easier to stick to a lifetime healthy eating plan. In your case, severe pain keeps you in line am I right? Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL321-773-7088 (home)321-961-9219 (cell)www.VitamixLady.comwww..com 13:35 <)))>< Re: grains I not only have celiac disease, but an extreme wheat ALLERGY too (yes, they are different things altogether), and I went gluten/wheat free years ago, which of course meant I turned to other grains......and I continued to have problems. Once I started REALLY limiting ALL grains, my health really improved. I have them in moderation now, primarily buckwheat, gluten free oats, and red quinoa, but do find I have flare ups more often if I go overboard. Most cultures, especially ours, are raised on high grain diets, so we never give any thought to the fact that we are very likely over doing them.-NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 Try sprouting it--wheat sprouts are delicious (but they should eaten while still very young and short--you don't want them becoming grass). Grains I have grain that is old. Well, how old is old? Some is a couple of years old, some is maybe more than a couple. It was not stored "properly" whatever that is. Airtight containers in a cool place would be properly, right? Or better yet, in the freezer? No, my grain was left in the thick paper bags they came in, and stored in a metel cupboard, or a plastic bin (in the bag, in the bin) down in my basement, which stays cool. The grain seems fine - but it seemed that when I used it for bread, the bread wasn't as good. But may the yeast was getting old. Does anyone know, will the quality of the grain go down? Can I still use it for bread? Are there other things I could use it for, or should I assume that if it isn't good for bread, it isn't good for anything else? Can I use grain for sprouting? For "milk?" Any thoughts on old grain that could still be used (for anything) would be much appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I personally wouldn't eat it. It could be harboring larvae (very common in stored flour) and could have developed internal mold or even become rancid. You can't always tell just by the smell of the whole grain, but could possible tell it you ground some. No way to tell about the larvae-it is often buried within the grain as well. I personally wouldn't risk it.From: <kareningotham@...>Subject: Re: Grains Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 8:08 AM Try sprouting it--wheat sprouts are delicious (but they should eaten while still very young and short--you don't want them becoming grass). Grains I have grain that is old. Well, how old is old? Some is a couple of years old, some is maybe more than a couple. It was not stored "properly" whatever that is. Airtight containers in a cool place would be properly, right? Or better yet, in the freezer? No, my grain was left in the thick paper bags they came in, and stored in a metel cupboard, or a plastic bin (in the bag, in the bin) down in my basement, which stays cool. The grain seems fine - but it seemed that when I used it for bread, the bread wasn't as good. But may the yeast was getting old. Does anyone know, will the quality of the grain go down? Can I still use it for bread? Are there other things I could use it for, or should I assume that if it isn't good for bread, it isn't good for anything else? Can I use grain for sprouting? For "milk?" Any thoughts on old grain that could still be used (for anything) would be much appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 So probably purchasing 25 lb. of steel cut oats wasn't the best idea either - stored them in plastic bags (ziplock) and put them in a rubbermaid bin in my basement. And the 20 lb. of brown rice flour. Same storage. Throw those out? (ugh) Deb From: Berry <berrywell@...>Subject: Re: Grains Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 10:17 AM I personally wouldn't eat it. It could be harboring larvae (very common in stored flour) and could have developed internal mold or even become rancid. You can't always tell just by the smell of the whole grain, but could possible tell it you ground some. No way to tell about the larvae-it is often buried within the grain as well. I personally wouldn't risk it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I am not saying YOU should throw them out, just that I wouldn't trust them myself, unless you can tell for sure there is no sign of pests or rancidity. I am pretty obsessive about my grains, which I buy in bulk and repackage in smaller containers, then store in a deep freezer I bought just for that purpose. That doesn't mean someone else might have the same concerns I do. Buying in bulk CAN be a great idea-if you plan to use the stuff in a timely way, or have a good way to store. I have a friend who owns a bakery and she stores grains for ages. But...you can smell the slightly "off" smell in her flour. Her breads fly off the shelves though, so apparently no one else is noticing that off smell, lol From: Berry <berrywell@...>Subject: Re: Grains Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 10:17 AM I personally wouldn't eat it. It could be harboring larvae (very common in stored flour) and could have developed internal mold or even become rancid. You can't always tell just by the smell of the whole grain, but could possible tell it you ground some. No way to tell about the larvae-it is often buried within the grain as well. I personally wouldn't risk it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 If you can, it's a good idea to freeze your grain products for a few days to kill what might be in there, i.e., eggs. Bear in mind that those nutrients are very attractive to insects and it's hard to keep them out. Storing them frozen or even refrigerated is good, too, because bran contains oils that can go rancid (this is why whole oats are usually roasted unless they're a hull-less variety). Re: Grains Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 10:17 AM I personally wouldn't eat it. It could be harboring larvae (very common in stored flour) and could have developed internal mold or even become rancid. You can't always tell just by the smell of the whole grain, but could possible tell it you ground some. No way to tell about the larvae-it is often buried within the grain as well. I personally wouldn't risk it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 And maybe it just adds more protein to the bread I bake (bleh) Seriously though, I am more concerned about mold than eggs (though neither thrill me). Do you suppose freezing would kill mold as well? I am thinking of mold that would not be easily detected. And I wonder if there's any way under the sun to detect such a thing. I've been researching on-line, but haven't found anything. Deb From: <kareningotham@...>Subject: Re: Grains Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 2:16 PM If you can, it's a good idea to freeze your grain products for a few days to kill what might be in there, i.e., eggs. Bear in mind that those nutrients are very attractive to insects and it's hard to keep them out. Storing them frozen or even refrigerated is good, too, because bran contains oils that can go rancid (this is why whole oats are usually roasted unless they're a hull-less variety). Re: Grains So probably purchasing 25 lb. of steel cut oats wasn't the best idea either - stored them in plastic bags (ziplock) and put them in a rubbermaid bin in my basement. And the 20 lb. of brown rice flour. Same storage. Throw those out? (ugh) Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I don't think freezing kills mold. It's pretty resistant stuff but I suspect you'd see and/or smell it. I had a feeling a protein joke was coming... Re: Grains So probably purchasing 25 lb. of steel cut oats wasn't the best idea either - stored them in plastic bags (ziplock) and put them in a rubbermaid bin in my basement. And the 20 lb. of brown rice flour. Same storage. Throw those out? (ugh) Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 I often see freezing recommended to kill off larvae, but that only means you would be consuming dead larvae as opposed to live. Still not something I want to knowingly do. From: Berry <berrywell@...> Subject: Re: Grains Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 10:17 AM I personally wouldn't eat it. It could be harboring larvae (very common in stored flour) and could have developed internal mold or even become rancid. You can't always tell just by the smell of the whole grain, but could possible tell it you ground some. No way to tell about the larvae-it is often buried within the grain as well. I personally wouldn't risk it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 Thanks - I appreciate all of the input! Deb From: Berry <berrywell@...>Subject: Re: Grains Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 1:35 PM I am not saying YOU should throw them out, just that I wouldn't trust them myself, unless you can tell for sure there is no sign of pests or rancidity. I am pretty obsessive about my grains, which I buy in bulk and repackage in smaller containers, then store in a deep freezer I bought just for that purpose. That doesn't mean someone else might have the same concerns I do. Buying in bulk CAN be a great idea-if you plan to use the stuff in a timely way, or have a good way to store. I have a friend who owns a bakery and she stores grains for ages. But...you can smell the slightly "off" smell in her flour. Her breads fly off the shelves though, so apparently no one else is noticing that off smell, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2011 Report Share Posted August 21, 2011 I should add that WKG have 20 unique micro-buddies and MKG have 51 micro-buddies unique. So, you can see that the overlap is not much. and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy > > From: rogerbird1@... > Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 06:04:19 -0600 > Subject: RE: Grains > > > , > > WKG and MKG grains are pretty much completely different. They have only 5 micro-buddies in common. If you tried to use MKG is water or WKG in milk, it would be a disaster. > > for president!!! > > Sincerely, > > Bird > > and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy > > > > From: wcoy79@... > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:35:03 -0400 > Subject: Grains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > I was wondering if there was a difference between WKG and MKG. If I buy grains, can I use them in milk or water, or do I have to buy specific grains for each type? > > Thanks > > > > > > Ron for President 2012 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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