Re: Re: Which Kefir better for dogs?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I know you are thinking you are doing good for your dog feeding raw vegertarian

but dogs are not able to digest veggies, ESPECIALLY raw, so she will have

problems with allergies.

Dogs are carnivores which means they require meat to be healthy. I knew

someone who would only feed her dog a veggie diet because she was a strict

vegetarian, and her poor dog would eat the sweet corn off of the corn stalks

from her garden to get the feeling of not being hungry. Her dog was not spayed

but could not even get PG for over a decade. Then after her dog was over 10

years old, someone convinced her that it was cruel to not feed a dog meat so she

started feeding her meat. Well, she got PG within some 3 months for the first

time ever. Her poor system finally started working, hormones and all. Her fur

even filled out and her eyes got a fullness that she never had. She looked like

a different dog.

Milk kefir is wonderful for your dog so you are doing great with that but

please add meat to her diet. You will find she will become a different dog.

Oh, and after she began feeding meat, her dog no longer ate her sweet corn off

the stalks or ate veggies out of her garden. She never really liked them but

was just trying to feel not hungry all the time from not enough protein (meat)

in her diet.

Alice

Laurie,

I've given my dog milk kefir for several years now. Her problem is not

digestion but food allergies. I mix it with canned pumpkin for purposes of

digestion. She gets some packaged dry food but that is as treats throughout the

day. Generally we feed her a raw vegetarian diet. In her case that works because

she loves veggies. I also give her food grade diatomaceous earth mixed in with

her kefir and pumpkin. I drink water kefir but have never given her any. I'm not

sure the sugar in it would be that good for her, and she definitely doesn't need

the extra calories.

Hope this helps,

in Oregon

[Guest guest]

Alice,

My dog gets white fish. I've tried her on every kind of meat and she turned

bright pink and itched with every one I tried. I switched her off meat and onto

fish to keep both of us from going crazy. Before being treated for allergies,

she begged for carrots, blueberries, and basically any other raw veggie or

fruit. She is really very healthy. I tried her on organic chicken, turkey,

buffalo ostrich, and every other kind of unusual meat I could find after giving

up on beef, etc, all with the same horrifying results. It would definitely be

cheaper and easier to buy food, but for our sanity I make it instead.

Sorry if this doesn't meet with your expectations. I'll have to tell her she

can't digest the veggies, because she's slightly overweight from being on this

restricted diet for years.

in Oregon

________________________________

From: Alice Connell <abconn@...>

Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:03 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Which Kefir better for dogs?

 

Hi ,

I know you are thinking you are doing good for your dog feeding raw vegertarian

but dogs are not able to digest veggies, ESPECIALLY raw, so she will have

problems with allergies.

Dogs are carnivores which means they require meat to be healthy. I knew someone

who would only feed her dog a veggie diet because she was a strict vegetarian,

and her poor dog would eat the sweet corn off of the corn stalks from her garden

to get the feeling of not being hungry. Her dog was not spayed but could not

even get PG for over a decade. Then after her dog was over 10 years old,

someone convinced her that it was cruel to not feed a dog meat so she started

feeding her meat. Well, she got PG within some 3 months for the first time

ever. Her poor system finally started working, hormones and all. Her fur even

filled out and her eyes got a fullness that she never had. She looked like a

different dog.

Milk kefir is wonderful for your dog so you are doing great with that but please

add meat to her diet. You will find she will become a different dog. Oh, and

after she began feeding meat, her dog no longer ate her sweet corn off the

stalks or ate veggies out of her garden. She never really liked them but was

just trying to feel not hungry all the time from not enough protein (meat) in

her diet.

Alice

Laurie,

I've given my dog milk kefir for several years now. Her problem is not digestion

but food allergies. I mix it with canned pumpkin for purposes of digestion. She

gets some packaged dry food but that is as treats throughout the day. Generally

we feed her a raw vegetarian diet. In her case that works because she loves

veggies. I also give her food grade diatomaceous earth mixed in with her kefir

and pumpkin. I drink water kefir but have never given her any. I'm not sure the

sugar in it would be that good for her, and she definitely doesn't need the

extra calories.

Hope this helps,

in Oregon

[Guest guest]

your original post did not mention the white fish. I suspect

that was what the reaction was too. A purely vegetarian diet is not good

for dogs or cats in the long run.

Did you try rabbit and Kangaroo as well? They are often used for dogs with

allergies to traditional meats.

I favor fish for our dogs. Given where the breed comes from it is most

consistent with their traditional diet.

Jaxi

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Cowan <fnxyb@...> wrote:

> Alice,

>

>

> My dog gets white fish. I've tried her on every kind of meat and she

> turned bright pink and itched with every one I tried. I switched her off

> meat and onto fish to keep both of us from going crazy. Before being

> treated for allergies, she begged for carrots, blueberries, and basically

> any other raw veggie or fruit. She is really very healthy. I tried her on

> organic chicken, turkey, buffalo ostrich, and every other kind of unusual

> meat I could find after giving up on beef, etc, all with the same

> horrifying results. It would definitely be cheaper and easier to buy food,

> but for our sanity I make it instead.

>

>

> Sorry if this doesn't meet with your expectations. I'll have to tell her

> she can't digest the veggies, because she's slightly overweight from being

> on this restricted diet for years.

>

> in Oregon

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Alice Connell <abconn@...>

>

> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:03 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: Which Kefir better for dogs?

>

>

>

> Hi ,

>

> I know you are thinking you are doing good for your dog feeding raw

> vegertarian but dogs are not able to digest veggies, ESPECIALLY raw, so she

> will have problems with allergies.

>

> Dogs are carnivores which means they require meat to be healthy. I knew

> someone who would only feed her dog a veggie diet because she was a strict

> vegetarian, and her poor dog would eat the sweet corn off of the corn

> stalks from her garden to get the feeling of not being hungry. Her dog was

> not spayed but could not even get PG for over a decade. Then after her dog

> was over 10 years old, someone convinced her that it was cruel to not feed

> a dog meat so she started feeding her meat. Well, she got PG within some 3

> months for the first time ever. Her poor system finally started working,

> hormones and all. Her fur even filled out and her eyes got a fullness that

> she never had. She looked like a different dog.

>

> Milk kefir is wonderful for your dog so you are doing great with that but

> please add meat to her diet. You will find she will become a different

> dog. Oh, and after she began feeding meat, her dog no longer ate her sweet

> corn off the stalks or ate veggies out of her garden. She never really

> liked them but was just trying to feel not hungry all the time from not

> enough protein (meat) in her diet.

>

> Alice

>

> Laurie,

>

> I've given my dog milk kefir for several years now. Her problem is not

> digestion but food allergies. I mix it with canned pumpkin for purposes of

> digestion. She gets some packaged dry food but that is as treats throughout

> the day. Generally we feed her a raw vegetarian diet. In her case that

> works because she loves veggies. I also give her food grade diatomaceous

> earth mixed in with her kefir and pumpkin. I drink water kefir but have

> never given her any. I'm not sure the sugar in it would be that good for

> her, and she definitely doesn't need the extra calories.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> in Oregon

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jaxi,

Good idea in trying rabbit meat or other meats. You are so right in that dogs

cannot be healthy on vegetarian diets.

Just to also mention, If a dog is overweight, I would look at diet. I would

surely make sure that each day, the dog diet had a higher protein/lower carb

content. Carbs supply energy but should be balanced with higher protein content

to carb content. There is the problem with not feeling satiated even though the

stomach is considerably full when not enough protein is eaten. We have 7 big

dogs who eat raw meat, love their milk kefir and kefir bread. I know they would

not need the kefir bread (gluten free is a must here) but they love it. When we

sit down to a bowl of popcorn, they want some. People have commented how

perfect in weight they are and we never restrict their food.

Some carbs work but they cannot be higher than protein. Even people who are for

sure not carnivores, do not do will with higher carb/lower protein diets.

I know there is that debate on if dogs are really carnivores but dogs' makeup

says they are mostly

carnivorous. The debate will go on though as seen in the comments to the

article in this link:

http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/canine-nutrition/dogs-carnivores-omnivores/

Feed them kefir milk for sure though, especially made with while raw milk to

give them good fat as dogs do need good fats too. Good meats, good fats and at

the bottom would be veggies for doggies diet.

Alice

your original post did not mention the white fish. I suspect

that was what the reaction was too. A purely vegetarian diet is not good

for dogs or cats in the long run.

Did you try rabbit and Kangaroo as well? They are often used for dogs with

allergies to traditional meats.

I favor fish for our dogs. Given where the breed comes from it is most

consistent with their traditional diet.

Jaxi

[Guest guest]

I would recommend using RAW cow or goat milk, not pasturized. He was vomiting

because he was getting something that wasn't good for him. Pasturized milk does

not have the enzymes and probiotics that raw milk does. You will see your dogs

health get much better if you feed him a raw diet, that's mostly raw meat, eggs,

etc. He could still go thru some illness periods where he is detoxing, but

homeopathy is absolutely wonderful, even for pets. You can use the exact same

remedy you would for humans. Whatever his symptoms, match it with the

homeopathic remedy. Go to kingbio.com and look up the symptoms. I even used

the homeopathic remedy of Bone Strengthener on my chicken that was laying

shell-less eggs (she laid 9 of them). After I started giving her the

homeopathy, she started putting a shell on her eggs.

Al

Re: Which Kefir better for dogs?

I have a dog with pretty severe digestive issues. Before I discovered

kefir (I discovered it for myself and then, made the connection that maybe it

would help him), he threw up multiple times per day. I started him on a medicine

that it got it down to a few times per week, but he still just didn't feel well.

He hardly played and always (ALWAYS) wanted to just cuddle on my lap as much as

possible. I felt so bad for him.

I started including cow milk kefir in his diet. I was able to cut back to his

medicine that he once needed every 12 hours to only once every 3 days. The

medicine increases his risk for stomach cancer substantially, but I didn't know

what else to do because he couldn't keep any food down without it and was very

sick. The medicine at least kept him doing ok.

I've been giving him the cow milk kefir twice daily for a long time and his

medicine once very 3 days. As long as I was giving him that, he hardly ever

threw up, and I did see an increase in energy, though I could tell he still

didn't feel the greatest.

Well, I've recently, in the past month, had a new discovery. I started using

goat milk for my own kefir after finally finding some in my area that is not

ultra-pasteurized. It is $16/gallon. So, I was just making that for myself and

making it stretch and then, buying cow milk for him since it was so much

cheaper.

Well, I ran out of the milk for him one day and wasn't able to get to the store

for the next few days. So, I shared my goat milk kefir with him every morning

and night.

His puking stopped COMPLETELY. He seemed to just do so much better, so I

withheld his medicine to see how he'd do...over a week went by and no puking at

all. I switched back to cow milk kefir just to see, and the next day, he was

puking again. I put him back on the goat milk kefir and he hasn't puked since

and I have not had to give him the medicine since.

Adding to this...he is finally acting like a dog! I took him to my parents' a

while back and he was running and running and running and running around in

their yard while we were outside. He never does that! He has been playing and

running around...I can't describe the difference. I feel bad that he has

suffered for 5 years when there was a solution. but, at least I found it.

So, I don't know if it is just my dog, or if most dogs would digest goat milk

more effectively. But, maybe it's worth a shot if you're looking to improve

digestive issues.

>

> I have been doing some reading on making kefir for my dog. I would like to

know the difference in benefits between Milk and Water. By growing in sugar

water, does that mean you consume the sugar?

>

> Some background - my dog Bowser is a large breed (90 lb) Newfoundland/Chow

mix. He just turned 13 in March and has had arthritis since he was 2. Around 6

years ago I started raw feeding him and treating him holistically. I don't use

any chemicals on him or in our home. He gets a lot of supplements for his

joints/nutrition. Bowser has been having digestive issues since last fall. He

gets gassy at times and his stools are not real firm and smelly. It has been

suggested by a couple of people to start feeding him a home cooked diet. I am

concerned about the change because I know nothing about it but I'm also reading

a book and on a few groups. I have been experimenting with cooking some of his

meat and adding quinoa to the meals and he seems to be doing better in the gas

department. I have also been giving him Probiotics and enzymes for months.

>

> Does anyone have any experiences they can share with Kefir helping their pets

with digestive issues? Also, which kefir would be better?

>

> Thanks,

> Laurie

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, never heard of that about the eggs. Perhapse it's where the eggs come

from...factory farm vs pastured eggs from chickens that eat grass, bugs, weeds.

That is funny about your dog drinking faster...hehehe.

Al

Re: Which Kefir better for dogs?

One thing I will mention...regarding uncooked eggs and the shells, I have

read in several places that you should partially cook eggs before feeding them

to your dog. There is something in it...but, I can't remember what it is

called...starts with a B I think...that dogs convert into something that is very

hard on their liver over time. However, cooking it slightly breaks it down and

makes it safe. You do not need to thoroughly cook the eggs. Just slightly cook

them. Just wanted to mention it in case you want to look into it.

My dogs love raw chicken wings a couple times a week. It is good for teeth

cleaning and a good source of calcium when they eat the bones. For those who may

freak out, raw chicken bones are safe for dogs to eat...it's cooked chicken

bones that are dangerous because they are brittle and can break, creating sharp

pieces in their digestive tract.

At any rate...my dogs absolutely love kefir. Of course, they love food in

general, haha. But, kefir is the only food item that my little chihuahua will

try to sneak out of my glass if I'm not looking. I think I mentioned this in

here before, but one time, I left a mug of kefir on the coaster on the arm on my

couch and went to the kitchen for a second. I thought nothing of leaving it

because my dogs are very good about leaving my food alone and waiting for their

own food and never get into my food. Well, I walked back in and my chihuahua was

lapping up the kefir from my mug. I ran across the living room shouting, " No! "

Normally, if she's doing something wrong and I react like that, she stops what

she is doing and cowers down. But, this time, she just started lapping up the

kefir even faster to get as much of it as she could before I got to her to stop

her, hahahaha. Kefir is the only food item she has ever done that with and every

time I'm drinking it while sitting on the couch, she tries to sneak it when I'm

not looking! She can't resist it!

>

> Pertaining to the posts about dogs eating kefir/yogurt, my experience, and

from what I have read from holistic vets, is that dogs are omnivorous--not just

carnivorous. They do eat vegetables--pumpkin, for example. And they can eat

raw veggies and fruit. The enzymes in fruit and veggies are beneficial. When

food is cooked, many of the enzymes are destroyed. Dr. Billinghurst, the first

of the raw dog food experts, suggests that certain pureed raw veggies and fruits

are good for your dog, while others are not good. He says this is especially

true for large breed dogs with arthritis, dysplasia, or other joint issues. He

also doesn't like grains for dogs.

>

> I have a 9 month old German Shepherd and since January I've been feeding her

pureed oranges, apples, bananas, sweet potatoes, raw eggs(including the shell,

beets, carrots, spinach, and pumpkin. I use a vitamix to blend all of this. Then

I mix it with ground raw chicken and beef (including some heart, gizzards,

liver), add a little black strap molasses, and then I scoop servings in plastic

wrap, bag it, and freeze it.

>

> When I fix her breakfast or dinner, I have a serving that is almost completely

thawed. I add vitamin C, vitamin E, some probiotics, salmon oil, and some

glucosamine/chondroitin. I serve this raw fruit/veggie/meat mixture with a

little homemade goat's milk yogurt (no sugar added), or plain raw goat's milk,

and she loves it! There is never anything left over. She also gets raw meaty

bones. She appears to have no health issues. Great coat, losts of energy . . .

>

> I have also fed my two Great Pyrenees this diet and they love it, too. They

would enjoy kefir, too, but I can't part with it yet as I don't have enough

grains to make kefir for us and the doggies.

>

> I'm no expert on kefir, but I would think the sugar in water kefir would not

be good for dogs as it has no nutritional value. Milk, however, especially raw

goat's milk, does have great value.

>

> Hope this helps someone,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Our vet said the dogs could have one a day and to scramble it.

Lori

On Wed, 2012-05-30 at 01:51 -0400, ouched63188@... wrote:

> Hmmm, never heard of that about the eggs. Perhapse it's where the eggs come

from...factory farm vs pastured eggs from chickens that eat grass, bugs, weeds.

[Guest guest]

Avidin is found in raw egg whites and is deactivated by cooking. Yolks on the

other hand are rich in biotin. Biotin deficiency is only a problem if the egg

white is eaten alone and raw. Here is a quote from WHFoods:

“One of the least well-known of the B-complex vitamins, biotin was originally

referred to as " vitamin H. " Biotin was discovered in late 1930s and early 1940s

research when chicks fed diets high in raw egg white consistently developed skin

rashes and lost the hair around their eyes. When egg yolk was added to the

chicks' diet, these symptoms disappeared.

Today, we know why. Researchers have identified a substance in raw egg white - a

sugar and protein-containing molecule (glycoprotein) called avidin - that can

bind together with biotin and prevent its absorption. Food scientists have also

identified the egg yolk as one of the most dense sources of biotin in the diet.

“

www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient & dbid=42

The bottom line is that whole raw eggs are good. Raw egg whites without the

yolk, not so much.

My dogs LOVE their kefir. First thing I do in the morning when I go into the

kitchen is prepare the kefir. The dogs wait patiently, licking their chops. They

get theirs in a little saucer, which the larger dog scoots across the floor as

he laps up all the kefir.

From:

Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:37 AM

Subject: Re: Which Kefir better for dogs?

It is something naturally found in eggs.

I found it. It is called avidin, and it is an enzyme that binds to biotin (a B

vitamin), which means it prevents your body (and your dog's body) from absorbing

and utilizing that B vitamin. Heating it causes this enzyme to break down.

Remember, birds make eggs with what is in them because they're good for their

baby birds...not because they're good for us or our pets. So, just because

something is natural and done the right way doesn't always mean that it's 100%

safe and healthy.

It's not going to kill your dog to feed him/her raw eggs. But, if it's a daily

thing, I'd partially cook them before putting them in the food.

[Guest guest]

Woldn't it make sense then to feed your dog only the raw egg yolks then?

Al

Re: Which Kefir better for dogs?

It is something naturally found in eggs.

I found it. It is called avidin, and it is an enzyme that binds to biotin (a B

vitamin), which means it prevents your body (and your dog's body) from absorbing

and utilizing that B vitamin. Heating it causes this enzyme to break down.

Remember, birds make eggs with what is in them because they're good for their

baby birds...not because they're good for us or our pets. So, just because

something is natural and done the right way doesn't always mean that it's 100%

safe and healthy.

It's not going to kill your dog to feed him/her raw eggs. But, if it's a daily

thing, I'd partially cook them before putting them in the food.

>

> >

>

> > Pertaining to the posts about dogs eating kefir/yogurt, my experience, and

from what I have read from holistic vets, is that dogs are omnivorous--not just

carnivorous. They do eat vegetables--pumpkin, for example. And they can eat

raw veggies and fruit. The enzymes in fruit and veggies are beneficial. When

food is cooked, many of the enzymes are destroyed. Dr. Billinghurst, the first

of the raw dog food experts, suggests that certain pureed raw veggies and fruits

are good for your dog, while others are not good. He says this is especially

true for large breed dogs with arthritis, dysplasia, or other joint issues. He

also doesn't like grains for dogs.

>

> >

>

> > I have a 9 month old German Shepherd and since January I've been feeding her

pureed oranges, apples, bananas, sweet potatoes, raw eggs(including the shell,

beets, carrots, spinach, and pumpkin. I use a vitamix to blend all of this. Then

I mix it with ground raw chicken and beef (including some heart, gizzards,

liver), add a little black strap molasses, and then I scoop servings in plastic

wrap, bag it, and freeze it.

>

> >

>

> > When I fix her breakfast or dinner, I have a serving that is almost

completely thawed. I add vitamin C, vitamin E, some probiotics, salmon oil, and

some glucosamine/chondroitin. I serve this raw fruit/veggie/meat mixture with a

little homemade goat's milk yogurt (no sugar added), or plain raw goat's milk,

and she loves it! There is never anything left over. She also gets raw meaty

bones. She appears to have no health issues. Great coat, losts of energy . . .

>

> >

>

> > I have also fed my two Great Pyrenees this diet and they love it, too. They

would enjoy kefir, too, but I can't part with it yet as I don't have enough

grains to make kefir for us and the doggies.

>

> >

>

> > I'm no expert on kefir, but I would think the sugar in water kefir would not

be good for dogs as it has no nutritional value. Milk, however, especially raw

goat's milk, does have great value.

>

> >

>

> > Hope this helps someone,

>

> >

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

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following results. Perhaps, one of these locations is near you.

Chicago area: Raw milk products (milk, cream, butter)

are now available through a cow share program managed by

Hebron

of Family Farms ative. Please e-mail at

familyfarmscoop@...

or call (269) 476-8883 for more details. Deliveries are made once

every

four weeks to Aurora, West Dundee, Forest Park, Highland Park,

Edgewater,

DesPlaines, and Schaumburg. More details available here:

www.mercola.com/forms/raw_milk_cow_sharing.htm Chicago area: Fresh From

the Farm ative, Sheri

Giachetto

smg9@...

, (630) 257-9092. Provide local, organic, farm-sourced raw dairy,

meats,

and produce. Began in May 2001 as a result of the family’s pursuit

for high quality food directly from the farmer/producer. They have

assembled

an array of foods from various providers which include organic, grass

fed beef, pork, pastured chickens, pastured eggs, raw milk, cream, and

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as well as organic produce in the summer months, all from local,

independent,

organic farmers. They provide these foods fresh on a weekly basis

(Weds

pickup) from their southwest suburban home, and currently serve over

120 families from all areas of the Chicago metro. They continue to

welcome

new families to their cooperative and are happy to answer any

questions

you may have. They continue to search for the highest quality products

at the most reasonable prices for their members as well as their own

use. Chicagoland Area: and Boge

and family, Golden Guernsey of Illinois, Glen Ellyn IL. Phone: (608)

449-5491 cell, (630) 790-0061 home. Email:

kellyboge@...

. Web: www.iloverawmilk.com.

Raw Guernsey milk, yogurt, and paneer (farmer's) cheese. No hormones,

antibiotics or GMOs. Grass fed spring through fall, then given Organic

hay. Cows get about 8% of their diet as GMO free Organic corn (fed

only at milking time). Bring your own container. Call or email with

any questions or to start ordering. They are also expanding dropoffs to

North Barrington; see listing below.Chicagoland/Wheaton/Naperville: MooGrass

Farms, Inc. is a private farm club that provides fresh, local,

farm-sourced raw dairy products (cow, goat, sheep). Their dairy cows

are 100% grain free. They offer 100% grass-fed and finished pastured

beef, pork, and lamb; pastured chicken; pastured eggs; raw butter,

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more information. Phone 1-888-COW-5789, fax 1-888-269-5789, email:

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.

Al

Re: Which Kefir better for dogs?

I'm not able to get raw milk in my area without driving a long way, and

I'm unable to do that. I don't have time to drive 1 1/2 hours to the burbs every

time I need milk (I live in the city of Chicago). But, as I said, he drinks the

goat milk from the store that I ferment into kefir, and he has not puked in

weeks. I had to search and search and search to find a goat milk that was not

ultra-pasteurized, and finally found that Whole Foods sells it. hopefully, they

won't stop selling it because it's the only place I've found that sells it

around here within a reasonable distance from me.

He was puking because his body over produces both acid and bile. When he'd get

too much acid and bile in his stomach, it would make him sick and he would puke.

In the same way that kefir helps with acid reflux disease, kefir helps him. The

medication he used to take is actually a medicine humans take for acid reflux

disease. The kefir keeps him from over producing the acid and bile, so he

doesn't puke.

My dogs' diets are half raw and and half not. I can't afford to feed them both a

100% raw diet, though I do at times when I can and wish I could do so more.

Gotta be able to pay the bills.

>

> I would recommend using RAW cow or goat milk, not pasturized. He was vomiting

because he was getting something that wasn't good for him. Pasturized milk does

not have the enzymes and probiotics that raw milk does. You will see your dogs

health get much better if you feed him a raw diet, that's mostly raw meat, eggs,

etc. He could still go thru some illness periods where he is detoxing, but

homeopathy is absolutely wonderful, even for pets. You can use the exact same

remedy you would for humans. Whatever his symptoms, match it with the

homeopathic remedy. Go to kingbio.com and look up the symptoms. I even used

the homeopathic remedy of Bone Strengthener on my chicken that was laying

shell-less eggs (she laid 9 of them). After I started giving her the

homeopathy, she started putting a shell on her eggs.

>

> Al

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't follow the advice of vets too much as they are just like the human

doctors who push the vaccines, which created diseases, which in turn creates

more business for them. Just give your dog the egg yolks, instead of the whole

egg.

Al

Re: Re: Which Kefir better for dogs?

Our vet said the dogs could have one a day and to scramble it.

Lori

On Wed, 2012-05-30 at 01:51 -0400, ouched63188@... wrote:

> Hmmm, never heard of that about the eggs. Perhapse it's where the eggs come

from...factory farm vs pastured eggs from chickens that eat grass, bugs, weeds.

[Guest guest]

The germ theory is a lie. Louis Pasteur recanted the germ theory on his

deathbed. If the germ theory was true, there would not be anyone alive today.

People in the big cities would all be dead and certainly, people on farms with

poop from all kinds of animals would be dead. Please do your research and don't

use the pharmacutical drug companies or gov agencies as your sources as they are

one in the same. What is actually true is the " Law of the Terrain " . It's not

about the germ, but it's about the health of the individual. If you have a

healthy immune system, the germs will not bother you. Antione Bechamp and

Claude Bernard are the people to do the research on.

http://www.susandoreydesigns.com/insights/pasteur-recant.html

Al

Re: Which Kefir better for dogs?

Thanks...Edgewater isn't too terribly far from me. The only places I had

found were literally a couple hours away, far past the burbs. I will check this

place out.

Although, I am currently trying to get pregnant after having a miscarriage last

August, and I won't take a single sip of unpasteurized milk products while I'm

pregnant whenever I am pregnant again...but, maybe for afterward, I'll check it

out. I'd like to check out their meat options as well for now.

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vomiting because he was getting something that wasn't good for him. Pasturized

milk does not have the enzymes and probiotics that raw milk does. You will see

your dogs health get much better if you feed him a raw diet, that's mostly raw

meat, eggs, etc. He could still go thru some illness periods where he is

detoxing, but homeopathy is absolutely wonderful, even for pets. You can use

the exact same remedy you would for humans. Whatever his symptoms, match it

with the homeopathic remedy. Go to kingbio.com and look up the symptoms. I

even used the homeopathic remedy of Bone Strengthener on my chicken that was

laying shell-less eggs (she laid 9 of them). After I started giving her the

homeopathy, she started putting a shell on her eggs.

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[Guest guest]

The problem with the egg whites does the same for humans, blocks the nutrients.

I prefer the fat. Cholesterol is actually required by the body to produce the

necessary hormones. Actually, low fat diets are very harmful to the body and

your brain. Your brain is made up of 60% fat and when you eat a low fat diet,

you are starving your brain. Saturated fat is good for you like coconut oil and

olive oil...on the other hand, canola, vegetable and crisco are the most toxic

to the body. You can do your own research on this. You can choose whatever

fats you want to consume or not consume. But for me, I love my fats and I'm

getting healthier and slimming down.

Al

Re: Which Kefir better for dogs?

Good point. Maybe we can give our dogs egg yolks and then, cook the whites

for ourselves for a low calorie omelet.

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> Woldn't it make sense then to feed your dog only the raw egg yolks then?

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[Guest guest]

You really should nor go around telling people what to do with their animals.

People can do the research for themselves and make their own decisions. I've

made the decision not to vaccinate my cat (although years ago when he was a

kitten before I got him he was fully vaccinated) and he is a very young 10 years

old. He still is very active and climbs his cat tree wanting to play. You can

call Dr. Bob Marshall, PhD. on his radio show and talk to him about vaccinating

the animals and the raw food diet.

There are NO double blind placebo controlled studies in this country on vaccines

(single vaccine or multiple vaccines) with a real true placebo...not another

vaccine as a placebo...and the reason for that is that the pharmacutical

companies know what the results are and they do not want people to know. They

will go out of business if the world knew. The fact is, they would have gone

out of business years ago if it wasn't for gov stepping in and giving them

complete protection from any sort of liability. A company in the free market

doesn't need gov protection to stay in business, people would want to use their

product...it's only the companies that have very bad products that need the

protection because they would NEVER survive the free market.

Most of the so-called official studies out there actually have participants with

fake degrees and the research study actually created to reach a certain outcome

and contains lies.

Big Pharma researcher admits to faking dozens of research studies for Pfizer,

Merck (opinion)

http://www.naturalnews.com/028194__Reuben_research_fraud.html#ixzz1xMDerMhG

Cancer industry total fraud exposed: Nearly all 'scientific' studies fail to be

replicated

http://www.naturalnews.com/035616_cancer_industry_scientific_fraud_studies.html#\

ixzz1xMDp0rwY

Al

[Guest guest]

Hmmmm, I am trying to gain weight and do want the healthy fats in my range

chicken egg yolks, so I make 3 to 4 eggs at a time, leaving the yolks very soft,

eat the yolks and give some of the cooked whites to our dogs since I have about

too much to eat in one sitting. I have a brother-I-L who cracks open 3 eggs,

puts the whites in his skillet and the yolks in the wastebasket. Horrifies me

that he as least does not give the yolks to his dog. The egg yolks have all the

vitamin D & A & GOOD Cholesterol in them, would never give them up.

Alice

I said, good point. Maybe we can give our dogs the egg yolks and then, cook

the egg whites for ourselves for a low calorie omelet.

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