Re: Liquid Why nutritional composition

[Guest guest]

As far as I can tell, there is no real research done on things like actual

nutrient values of things like Kefir, much less kefir or cheese whey. If

you look at data from commercial kefir manufacturers they show the same

nutritional composition as the milk they started from. We all know the

carb content should be less due to the lactose breakdown, etc.

It's unfortunate that the Weston-Price Foundation, or RealMilk.com (yes,

both Sally organizations) don't work on getting this data. I'm not sure

what exact lab costs would be. Obviously even specifying the animal type

wouldn't give exact data, since individual feed, health, time of year would

vary.

I'm not sure how an exact amount would help you. If it was optimally

healthy to eat 3/4 of an apple, would you throw the rest away?

The only way to tell might be analysis of nitrogen excretion in urine. The

excess protein shows up that way. But there is gluconeogenesis, so the

extra protein is broken down and utilized, not harmful.

Leo

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Liberty Chick <ouched63188@...>wrote:

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>

>

> Here is a technical question for the scientists out there, or the super

> duper internet researcher.

>

> Does anyone know the amount of protein per quantity of fresh liquid whey?

> We can't seem to find it on the net because everything we find is for a

> powdered whey product. We would like to know what the nutritional

> composition for let say 1/4 cup of liquid whey. What is the percent of

> protein, amino acids, etc? Ok, let me reword the question...how much liquid

> whey from raw organic grass-fed Jersey Cow milk would we have to drink to

> get 30grams of protein? Has anyone ever found this out? We would like to

> drink some of our kefir whey daily, multiple times per day to boost our

> glutathione levels to detox but we don't know how much.

>

> Al

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Leo,

Wow. Sounds like you have research project ahead log you. Lol

I have always wondered the nutritional make up of our homemade kefir. I

typically use kefir in morning smoothies or my wife uses in baking. I guestimate

the calories of the smoothies by the additional additives (strawberries bananas

blueberries mango purée and protein powder). The kefir portion would be

negligible.

In the end, I like the results and miss the kefir if I don't make it the

morning.

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On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:40 AM, Leo Girardi <leo.girardi@...> wrote:

> As far as I can tell, there is no real research done on things like actual

> nutrient values of things like Kefir, much less kefir or cheese whey. If

> you look at data from commercial kefir manufacturers they show the same

> nutritional composition as the milk they started from. We all know the

> carb content should be less due to the lactose breakdown, etc.

>

> It's unfortunate that the Weston-Price Foundation, or RealMilk.com (yes,

> both Sally organizations) don't work on getting this data. I'm not sure

> what exact lab costs would be. Obviously even specifying the animal type

> wouldn't give exact data, since individual feed, health, time of year would

> vary.

>

> I'm not sure how an exact amount would help you. If it was optimally

> healthy to eat 3/4 of an apple, would you throw the rest away?

>

> The only way to tell might be analysis of nitrogen excretion in urine. The

> excess protein shows up that way. But there is gluconeogenesis, so the

> extra protein is broken down and utilized, not harmful.

>

> Leo

>

> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Liberty Chick

<ouched63188@...>wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> Here is a technical question for the scientists out there, or the super

>> duper internet researcher.

>>

>> Does anyone know the amount of protein per quantity of fresh liquid whey?

>> We can't seem to find it on the net because everything we find is for a

>> powdered whey product. We would like to know what the nutritional

>> composition for let say 1/4 cup of liquid whey. What is the percent of

>> protein, amino acids, etc? Ok, let me reword the question...how much liquid

>> whey from raw organic grass-fed Jersey Cow milk would we have to drink to

>> get 30grams of protein? Has anyone ever found this out? We would like to

>> drink some of our kefir whey daily, multiple times per day to boost our

>> glutathione levels to detox but we don't know how much.

>>

>> Al

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I did a little internet sleuthing and found some info on wikipedia

(topic " milk " ). The more non-water soluble proteins in milk (casein)

coagulate in the curd when it separates from the whey. The water

soluble protein remains in the whey. The article stated that 20% of

the proteins in milk are these water soluble proteins. So...using 20%

and assuming 8 grams protein per cup of milk, one cup of milk would

contain 1.6 grams of the water soluble protein that would remain in

the whey.

When looking for how much whey you get from one cup of milk I found

another site that was quite informative that stated the protein

content of liquid whey is 2 grams per cup. This seems to be in line

with the information in the wikipedia article. Here is the link

http://www.livestrong.com/article/533194-nutritional-value-of-milk-whey-liquid/

Bottom line....you will have to drink A LOT of whey!

Allyson H

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[Guest guest]

I posted the data in another thread on this topic, but the source data can

be found here:

http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/

Search for whey, and the ave is around 2g/cup.

Leo

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Allyson Halpin <allyson.halpin@...>wrote:

> **

>

>

> I did a little internet sleuthing and found some info on wikipedia

> (topic " milk " ). The more non-water soluble proteins in milk (casein)

> coagulate in the curd when it separates from the whey. The water

> soluble protein remains in the whey. The article stated that 20% of

> the proteins in milk are these water soluble proteins. So...using 20%

> and assuming 8 grams protein per cup of milk, one cup of milk would

> contain 1.6 grams of the water soluble protein that would remain in

> the whey.

>

> When looking for how much whey you get from one cup of milk I found

> another site that was quite informative that stated the protein

> content of liquid whey is 2 grams per cup. This seems to be in line

> with the information in the wikipedia article. Here is the link

>

>

>

http://www.livestrong.com/article/533194-nutritional-value-of-milk-whey-liquid/

>

> Bottom line....you will have to drink A LOT of whey!

>

> Allyson H

>

> Sent from my iPod

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks,

Al

Re: Re: Liquid Why nutritional composition

>

>I posted the data in another thread on this topic, but the source data can

>be found here:

>

>http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/

>

>Search for whey, and the ave is around 2g/cup.

>

>Leo

>

>

>On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Allyson Halpin

<allyson.halpin@...>wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> I did a little internet sleuthing and found some info on wikipedia

>> (topic " milk " ). The more non-water soluble proteins in milk (casein)

>> coagulate in the curd when it separates from the whey. The water

>> soluble protein remains in the whey. The article stated that 20% of

>> the proteins in milk are these water soluble proteins. So...using 20%

>> and assuming 8 grams protein per cup of milk, one cup of milk would

>> contain 1.6 grams of the water soluble protein that would remain in

>> the whey.

>>

>> When looking for how much whey you get from one cup of milk I found

>> another site that was quite informative that stated the protein

>> content of liquid whey is 2 grams per cup. This seems to be in line

>> with the information in the wikipedia article. Here is the link

>>

>>

>>

http://www.livestrong.com/article/533194-nutritional-value-of-milk-whey-liquid/

>>

>> Bottom line....you will have to drink A LOT of whey!

>>

>> Allyson H

>>

>> Sent from my iPod

>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info.

Al

Re: Liquid Why nutritional composition

I did a little internet sleuthing and found some info on wikipedia

(topic " milk " ). The more non-water soluble proteins in milk (casein)

coagulate in the curd when it separates from the whey. The water

soluble protein remains in the whey. The article stated that 20% of

the proteins in milk are these water soluble proteins. So...using 20%

and assuming 8 grams protein per cup of milk, one cup of milk would

contain 1.6 grams of the water soluble protein that would remain in

the whey.

When looking for how much whey you get from one cup of milk I found

another site that was quite informative that stated the protein

content of liquid whey is 2 grams per cup. This seems to be in line

with the information in the wikipedia article. Here is the link

http://www.livestrong.com/article/533194-nutritional-value-of-milk-whey-liquid/

Bottom line....you will have to drink A LOT of whey!

Allyson H

Sent from my iPod