Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 I use well water and my kefir grows off the wall......I just rest my kefier every 8weeks.  God Bless America ________________________________ From: LaDonna <jandlharris@...> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 7:53 AM Subject: water kefir  I am interested in making water kefir in addition to my milk kefir. We have rather alkaline well water, which is softened for household use. I tried " rerouting " some MKG for water use and wound up with one good batch & then slime. I've been concerned that the slime had to do with the well water. (Maybe the person I learned from was mistaken about repurposing the MKG)  I'd prefer not to buy bottled water. Any thoughts? LaDonna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Marilyn has stated before that you can convert milk grains to water grains, but they will not grow. Roy On Jan 5, 2012, at 10:01 AM, D. M. Livingstone wrote: > I've heard you can't really convert them. I don't think it's the water. I've stopped buying filtered water for them and just use our filtered well water and they still grow very quickly. > > Darlene Livingstone > > > ________________________________ > From: LaDonna <jandlharris@...> > > Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 5:53 AM > Subject: water kefir > > > I am interested in making water kefir in addition to my milk kefir. We have > rather alkaline well water, which is softened for household use. I tried > " rerouting " some MKG for water use and wound up with one good batch & then > slime. I've been concerned that the slime had to do with the well water. > (Maybe the person I learned from was mistaken about repurposing the MKG) I'd > prefer not to buy bottled water. > > Any thoughts? LaDonna > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 I didn't say that. They don't convert. You can use milk grains in a water medium and water kefir grains in a milk medium. But one does not transform into the other. Not generally. Impossible for milk grains to change but I have had water grains turn into milk kefir grains complete with kefiran. It hasn't been repeated by anyone else so don't count on it. Marilyn On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Roy <curlyw2kids@...> wrote: > Marilyn has stated before that you can convert milk grains to water > grains, but they will not grow. > > > Roy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Marilyn, The following is your post from many moons ago. I've saved it to share with others on occasion. Please except my apologies as I do not intentionally try to misrepresent you. Thanks, Roy message #2221 You can convert some of your milk grains to a water medium. *Converting milk kefir grains to a water medium* You can make water kefir from converted milk kefir grains. The main drawback is that they will not reproduce. The advantage is that they will consistently make 1 quart of water kefir every other day, no more, no less. Another drawback is that they may not live forever. Just replace them with some extra milk kefir grains from time to time. Another disadvantage is that the drink may not be as fizzy. This can be overcome with a second fermentation. First fish out 3-4 tablespoons of milk kefir grains and rinse them well with non-chlorinated water. You may put them into a pouch made out of loosely woven material. Make it with a drawstring or sew it shut. A pouch makes it easier to strain your water kefir. A pouch is not necessary but some people like it. Never use a pouch with genuine water kefir grains. Your recipe is: 1 quart water 1/3 cups sugar ginger dried fruit 2-4 tablespoons well rinsed kefir grains. It will do something in a day or two. Strain and start over. On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Marilyn Kefirlady wrote: > I didn't say that. > > They don't convert. > > You can use milk grains in a water medium and water kefir grains in a milk > medium. But one does not transform into the other. Not generally. > Impossible for milk grains to change but I have had water grains turn into > milk kefir grains complete with kefiran. It hasn't been repeated by anyone > else so don't count on it. > > Marilyn > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Roy <curlyw2kids@...> wrote: > > > Marilyn has stated before that you can convert milk grains to water > > grains, but they will not grow. > > > > > > Roy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 I used water grains and converted them to milk kefir. They seem to b growing very slow. Is that the reason? How do U get mkg's ? thankyou s God Bless America ________________________________ From: Roy <curlyw2kids@...> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 3:06 PM Subject: Re: water kefir Marilyn, The following is your post from many moons ago. I've saved it to share with others on occasion. Please except my apologies as I do not intentionally try to misrepresent you. Thanks, Roy message #2221 You can convert some of your milk grains to a water medium. *Converting milk kefir grains to a water medium* You can make water kefir from converted milk kefir grains. The main drawback is that they will not reproduce. The advantage is that they will consistently make 1 quart of water kefir every other day, no more, no less. Another drawback is that they may not live forever. Just replace them with some extra milk kefir grains from time to time. Another disadvantage is that the drink may not be as fizzy. This can be overcome with a second fermentation. First fish out 3-4 tablespoons of milk kefir grains and rinse them well with non-chlorinated water. You may put them into a pouch made out of loosely woven material. Make it with a drawstring or sew it shut. A pouch makes it easier to strain your water kefir. A pouch is not necessary but some people like it. Never use a pouch with genuine water kefir grains. Your recipe is: 1 quart water 1/3 cups sugar ginger dried fruit 2-4 tablespoons well rinsed kefir grains. It will do something in a day or two. Strain and start over. On Jan 5, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Marilyn Kefirlady wrote: > I didn't say that. > > They don't convert. > > You can use milk grains in a water medium and water kefir grains in a milk > medium. But one does not transform into the other. Not generally. > Impossible for milk grains to change but I have had water grains turn into > milk kefir grains complete with kefiran. It hasn't been repeated by anyone > else so don't count on it. > > Marilyn > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Roy <curlyw2kids@...> wrote: > > > Marilyn has stated before that you can convert milk grains to water > > grains, but they will not grow. > > > > > > Roy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 Maybe too many grains to the water/ sugar? I use 1tablespoon grains/ 1tablespoon sugar/ 1cup water. Just multiply for the amount of grains you want to start with. I use demerera sugar too, no molasses though. If the smell persists you may need to put them in the fridge for a couple of days so they can " rest " . Hope that helps! Sincerely, Kerrie Knox On Mar 27, 2012, at 8:25 PM, " kefirnewby " <jandlharris@...> wrote: > This is my first week of water kefir. When they arrived, I put them in demerara sugar water with molasses. Day 2: dumped & rinsed grains, set them up again. Day 3: no action; decided to let 'em work for another day, but forgot them in the evening of day 4 until the morning of day 5. Day 5: they smelled sorta' bad; dumped water, rinsed grains twice & set them up with more sugar. Today is day 6: color of water is lighter, tastes sweet still; smells just as bad as yesterday. Some grains are floating, most still in bottom of jar. My concern is the odor! Is that normal???? > I'd appreciate any feedback, LaDonna > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2012 Report Share Posted March 27, 2012 It sounds like your grains were starved and have weakened that is why the water is still sweet. You can get a lot of your questions answered on the first link. The second link is how to rehabilitate your grains if they have been contaminated or starved or just weak. Q's and A's for kefir water http://www.culturesforhealth.com/water-kefir-frequently-asked-questions-faq Rinse, Rest and Recover water kefir grains http://www.culturesforhealth.com/rehabilitating-fixing-repairing-damaged-water-k\ efir-grains Al water kefir This is my first week of water kefir. When they arrived, I put them in demerara sugar water with molasses. Day 2: dumped & rinsed grains, set them up again. Day 3: no action; decided to let 'em work for another day, but forgot them in the evening of day 4 until the morning of day 5. Day 5: they smelled sorta' bad; dumped water, rinsed grains twice & set them up with more sugar. Today is day 6: color of water is lighter, tastes sweet still; smells just as bad as yesterday. Some grains are floating, most still in bottom of jar. My concern is the odor! Is that normal???? I'd appreciate any feedback, LaDonna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 s, I would like some water kefir grains myself. However please dont send me two cups. That is a wee bit to much I would be interested. April > > I can send u 2 cups for the price of shipping and handling.......6$.............let me know.....My paypal account is cstevens3625@... you can respond to me with that email >  > Thank you > s > God Bless America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 I have kept different things side by side also. Not now but have in the past. I am just careful when it comes time to strain and such, not to get things mixed up. Before I start the processes of straining, etc. I put everything in sections and away from each other, so I dont grab the wrong jars. This prevents mix ups April > > I know others disagree, but I have my milk kefir, water kefir, and kombucha > all side by side in my cupboard and to-date I have not had any problems > with cross-contamination. All are thriving. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Lyn, I may have to start eating my grains. I have extra and prefer to share. They just grow so freaking fast when you live in the south. April > > Taste them! Milk kefir grains taste and eat just like cheese, so taste your water grains. They probably taste good, too. I, for one, want my grains to grow faster so I have a ready stash of kefir cheese to eat. That would be good on crackers topped with fruit. > > Lyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 how much would u like?  God Bless America From: nicolateslarules <nicolateslarules@...> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 11:59 AM Subject: Re: water kefir  s, I would like some water kefir grains myself. However please dont send me two cups. That is a wee bit to much I would be interested. April > > I can send u 2 cups for the price of shipping and handling.......6$.............let me know.....My paypal account is cstevens3625@... you can respond to me with that email >  > Thank you > s > God Bless America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Hi April, Can send you 1 cup tomorrow...................  Thanks God Bless America From: nicolateslarules <nicolateslarules@...> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 11:59 AM Subject: Re: water kefir  s, I would like some water kefir grains myself. However please dont send me two cups. That is a wee bit to much I would be interested. April > > I can send u 2 cups for the price of shipping and handling.......6$.............let me know.....My paypal account is cstevens3625@... you can respond to me with that email >  > Thank you > s > God Bless America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 April NOt sure what I did with your address please send again  thank ou God Bless America From: nicolateslarules <nicolateslarules@...> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 11:59 AM Subject: Re: water kefir  s, I would like some water kefir grains myself. However please dont send me two cups. That is a wee bit to much I would be interested. April > > I can send u 2 cups for the price of shipping and handling.......6$.............let me know.....My paypal account is cstevens3625@... you can respond to me with that email >  > Thank you > s > God Bless America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Yes, they do grow " so freakin " fast don't they! I have 56 cups of grains I have to find homes for as of this morning so if anyone is in need message me personally. Dar  ________________________________ From: nicolateslarules <nicolateslarules@...> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 11:04 AM Subject: Re: water kefir  Lyn, I may have to start eating my grains. I have extra and prefer to share. They just grow so freaking fast when you live in the south. April > > Taste them! Milk kefir grains taste and eat just like cheese, so taste your water grains. They probably taste good, too. I, for one, want my grains to grow faster so I have a ready stash of kefir cheese to eat. That would be good on crackers topped with fruit. > > Lyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Dar, How are you able to keep 56 cups of milk kefir grains going and fed unless you are selling your kefir? I had 3-4 TBS and I had kefir coming out my ears . Al Re: water kefir Lyn, I may have to start eating my grains. I have extra and prefer to share. They just grow so freaking fast when you live in the south. April > > Taste them! Milk kefir grains taste and eat just like cheese, so taste your water grains. They probably taste good, too. I, for one, want my grains to grow faster so I have a ready stash of kefir cheese to eat. That would be good on crackers topped with fruit. > > Lyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 I too would like to see some testimonials on water kefir. Are they the same as milk kefir? Better? Not as much? Can someone who has regularly used water kefir only (not milk kefir at all) and not changed anything else about diet, environment, exercise, etc. report what changes they noticed just by adding water kefir and what amounts they have used? Some of the milk kefir feedback has been fantastic. Thanks to those who have shared. Thanks, Wolf >________________________________ > From: Mahdi <jrocket05@...> > >Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 8:20 AM >Subject: Water Kefir > > > >Hello all........Does water kefir share similar benefits to milk Kefir? When I read about some of the testimonials of Kefir, I assume that people are speaking on milk kefir only. > >Thank you >Jimi > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 Milk kefir is the better of the two. It has more probiotics and doesn't have the sugar. Al Water Kefir Hello all........Does water kefir share similar benefits to milk Kefir? When I read about some of the testimonials of Kefir, I assume that people are speaking on milk kefir only. Thank you Jimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2012 Report Share Posted May 4, 2012 HI  I just started using milk kefir about 5 months ago. Prior to that I used water kefir only. for about 8 mths .....I noticed improvement in my joint pain after about 6/7 weeks on water kefir.....Also there was a significant improvement in my energy levels......  Hope this helps God Bless America ________________________________ From: wolf thunder <wolf_thunder@...> " " < > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Water Kefir  I too would like to see some testimonials on water kefir. Are they the same as milk kefir? Better? Not as much? Can someone who has regularly used water kefir only (not milk kefir at all) and not changed anything else about diet, environment, exercise, etc. report what changes they noticed just by adding water kefir and what amounts they have used? Some of the milk kefir feedback has been fantastic. Thanks to those who have shared. Thanks, Wolf >________________________________ > From: Mahdi <jrocket05@...> > >Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 8:20 AM >Subject: Water Kefir > > > >Hello all........Does water kefir share similar benefits to milk Kefir? When I read about some of the testimonials of Kefir, I assume that people are speaking on milk kefir only. > >Thank you >Jimi > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 , are you still seeing joint improvement and energy levels since being on the milk kefir? I am not sure from your message if you are saying that only the water kefir gave you the benefits or not. - On 5/5/2012 12:52 AM, s wrote: > > HI > > I just started using milk kefir about 5 months ago. Prior to that I > used water kefir only. for about 8 mths .....I noticed improvement in > my joint pain after about 6/7 weeks on water kefir.....Also there was > a significant improvement in my energy levels...... > > Hope this helps > > > God Bless America > > > ________________________________ > From: wolf thunder <wolf_thunder@... > <mailto:wolf_thunder%40>> > " > <mailto:%40> " > < > <mailto:%40>> > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: Water Kefir > > > > > I too would like to see some testimonials on water kefir. Are they > the same as milk kefir? Better? Not as much? > > Can someone who has regularly used water kefir only (not milk kefir at > all) and not changed anything else about diet, environment, exercise, > etc. report what changes they noticed just by adding water kefir and > what amounts they have used? > > Some of the milk kefir feedback has been fantastic. Thanks to those > who have shared. > > Thanks, > Wolf > > >________________________________ > > From: Mahdi <jrocket05@... <mailto:jrocket05%40>> > > > <mailto:%40> > >Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 8:20 AM > >Subject: Water Kefir > > > > > > > >Hello all........Does water kefir share similar benefits to milk > Kefir? When I read about some of the testimonials of Kefir, I assume > that people are speaking on milk kefir only. > > > >Thank you > >Jimi > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2012 Report Share Posted May 12, 2012 I introduced 4 people to water kefir and it didn't work for any of them. It caused huge stomach problems for them. I have since read that one has to start very slow on water kefir. I know for me it ended up not working after using it for neary 6 months. On the other hand, I am making rice kefir milk from milk kefir grains and I am making huge improvements in my digestive health. Alice I too would like to see some testimonials on water kefir. Are they the same as milk kefir? Better? Not as much? Can someone who has regularly used water kefir only (not milk kefir at all) and not changed anything else about diet, environment, exercise, etc. report what changes they noticed just by adding water kefir and what amounts they have used? Some of the milk kefir feedback has been fantastic. Thanks to those who have shared. Thanks, Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Signed. Larry!!!! Sorry! > > I've never had water kefir and the main reason is I don't consume sugar or alcohol. What is the sugar and alcohol content of water kefir after it's done fermenting? How little sugar can be used? What types of sugars can be used? Powered lactose? Sugar alcohols like xylitol? Fruit juices? Which? Starch? How little alcohol can be produced and still call it water kefir? I like the idea of carbonation. Is it directly related to the sugar and or alcohol content? Does raising one lower the other? > Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Hi Larry....I'm a complete newbie to this group, and have been fermenting my water kefir grains for about one month now. To one quart of spring water water I add 1/3 cup of sugar, with one tsp of sulpher free molasses. After my first brew I added 1/2 c of sugar to get my grains to multiply as I'm going away for two weeks soon, and my husband didn't want to take care of my grains....so I've got some in the fridge, freezer and dried out....but after I accumulated all my back-up grains I went right back to the 1/3 c of sugar per one quart of water. It was and is my understanding that the grains consume the sugar, releasing the pro-biotics in the water. Any concerns if you are diabetic (which I'm not) can be tested with something. I am having great results with my water kefir, and drink an 8 oz glass with every meal. I've done the second ferment with a closed cap, and it successfully reacted with lots of carbonation...but I'm happy just drinking the kefir water from the first ferment....its quiet tasty...almost like a sweet tea and has really improved my digestion. I've never come across an alcohol issue in my research before buying my grains. Once my holidays are over, I'm sure I'll have no trouble convincing my husband, and extended family to try water kefir....my water grains are multiplying...and again, from my understanding it's worth a try...and I've got lots of grains to pass around. HTH in very warm 'well who isn't'....Amherstburg, Ontario. CANADA From: ljlemer@... Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 10:08:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Water Kefir Signed. Larry!!!! Sorry! > > I've never had water kefir and the main reason is I don't consume sugar or alcohol. What is the sugar and alcohol content of water kefir after it's done fermenting? How little sugar can be used? What types of sugars can be used? Powered lactose? Sugar alcohols like xylitol? Fruit juices? Which? Starch? How little alcohol can be produced and still call it water kefir? I like the idea of carbonation. Is it directly related to the sugar and or alcohol content? Does raising one lower the other? > Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2012 Report Share Posted July 7, 2012 To any water kefir consumers, how much sugar do you use for a quart of water kefir? I may be using too much as my grains are growing like mad. I'd also like to take this time to thank Marilyn for supplying such great products! Both milk and water kefir grains were purchased from her and they are awesome! Sooooo, Thanks Marilyn! Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 I use one-third cup regular ol' white sugar and 1-2 tsp blackstrap molasses to one quart water. I also add a lemon slice (peeled if not organic) Ginny in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Ginny, What are the benefits of water kefir? Is it an alcoholic drink? From: Ginny <gbates@...> Subject: Re: Water kefir Date: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 2:17 PM  I use one-third cup regular ol' white sugar and 1-2 tsp blackstrap molasses to one quart water. I also add a lemon slice (peeled if not organic) Ginny in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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