Guest guest Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 I agree with your sentiments, but I'm sure we'll hear some disagreement. Laws concerning raw milk differ by state. In my state, Florida, raw milk cannot be sold for human consumption, only for animals. Does that mean that raw milk in my state has no requirements placed on it because it's never expected to be consumed by humans? Obviously it's sold for humans, too. By " organic " I meant organic in spirit, not to the letter of the law. No hormones, no unnatural feed, no pesticides, etc. No milk during the period of medication or illness. Larry To legally sell Raw Milk, dairy farmers have to have their animals inspected by vets and/or other trained people. They undergo tests to ensure their health. My neighbors who are Raw Milk farmers (and they sell Artisan cheese) do not go the organic route for this reason. They love their cows and if they get sick they want to treat them with antibiotics if needed. If they were certified organic if they use antibiotics on a cow, that cow can never be used for organic again. They would have to sell her. They don't want to lose their cow so they don't go for the organic designator. I would take (and owe my life to) antibiotics when needed. I would and do get my pets antibiotics when needed. I would want people to be able to keep their cows healthy. Lee Anne, Pennsylvania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Thats the case. Since its not pasteurized it cannot be sold for human and not supossed to consumed by us. The powers that be obviously don't care about out animals. My cats, myself and my kefir loves the " pet food " Breaking rules Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Larry Lemer <ljlemer@...> wro > I agree with your sentiments, but I'm sure we'll hear some disagreement. Laws concerning raw milk diffstate. In my state, Florida, raw milk cannot be sold for human consumption, only for animals. Does that mean that raw milk in my state has no requirements placed on it because it's never expected to be consumed by humans? > Obviously it's sold for humans, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To legally sell Raw Milk, dairy farmers have to have their animals inspected by vets and/or other trained people. They undergo tests to ensure their health. My neighbors who are Raw Milk farmers (and they sell Artisan cheese) do not go the organic route for this reason. They love their cows and if they get sick they want to treat them with antibiotics if needed. If they were certified organic if they use antibiotics on a cow, that cow can never be used for organic again. They would have to sell her. They don't want to lose their cow so they don't go for the organic designator. I would take (and owe my life to) antibiotics when needed. I would and do get my pets antibiotics when needed. I would want people to be able to keep their cows healthy. > > > > Lee Anne, Pennsylvania > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Why do you think vaccines for animals and humans are basic science and actually prevent health problems? Vaccines (and most of modern medicine) are voodoo science and based on the germ theory that is a lie. When you add live viruses, so-called weakened and dead viruses, diseased foreign animal DNA and RNA with toxic, carcinogenic chemicals cocktail, that you would never drink, and you inject it into the body, you are bypassing the primary immune system and will never, ever create immunity. Presence of antibodies does not confer immunity. Lack of expression of a dis-ease does not mean lack of a dis-ease. This causes damage to the immune system and does not prevent disease. As a matter of fact, the person or a animal frequently will get the dis-ease they were vaccinated for. Louis Pasteur Recants His Germ Theory http://www.susandoreydesigns.com/insights/pasteur-recant.html Vaccines have been around for the last 100 or so years. If they were actually necessary, people and animals would have died off from germs 6000 years ago. We would all be dead without the microbes. We are 9 parts microbe, 1 part human. Germ theory delusions collapse as new science reveals healthy people carry 10,000 different germ strains at all times http://www.naturalnews.com/036219_germ_theory_human_body_bacteria.html Al Re: Modern Farming? I had a " hey, wait a minute! " moment. I had been expressing my confidence in raw milk from modern farms since so many diseases that animals used to carry and transmitted to man had been eradicated and then I thought: Modern veterinary medicine is based on the same science as modern medicine for humans. Since I recall hearing a majority of participating members here reject or doubt many tenets of modern science, are some of them breeders and dairy farmers who refuse to use the inoculations and medicines that keep things like raw milk safe from the dangers of yore? I'm against industrial farming in all respects. I'm against hormones and the feed most cattle are fed. I'm against antibiotics unless an individual cow is diagnosed with a serious infection. I want my cattle and milk grass-fed and organic when available and affordable. But when you start denying basic science, how can a buyer know you even believe in modern sanitary practices? All the risks are diagnosable, but only if the animals are tested and treated. Yes, there are many orthodox doctors and vets who are closed-minded on topics we hold dear, but there are plenty of alternate ones who know just how far we can go without doing more harm than good-and they'll help us go that far. So my question is: What safeguards are in place and which standard ones are rejected? Is every raw milk and kefir grain provider using different techniques depending on the degree to which they reject science? I'm not inviting a debate or trying to insult anyone. I just need some answers. Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Lets agree to disagree, Al. My question was basically, is farming among the kefir crowd any different than it was 80 years ago? Larry --- On Thu, 7/5/12, ouched63188@... <ouched63188@...> wr Why do you think vaccines for animals and humans are basic science and actually prevent health problems? Vaccines (and most of modern medicine) are voodoo science and based on the germ theory that is a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Very good article on the history of vaccines and the epidemics of diseases that followed the vaccination. Historical Data Shows Vaccines are Not what Saved Us http://www.naturalnews.com/027203_Chi_vaccination_vaccine.html Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 There was major differences among the farms...there was the milk coming from the breweries due to greed and then there was farms that people probably raised their cows the natural way. I don't know about 80 years ago people drinking kefir and ancient history of how they preserved milk in skins with the kefir cultures. Al Re: Re: Modern Farming? Lets agree to disagree, Al. My question was basically, is farming among the kefir crowd any different than it was 80 years ago? Larry --- On Thu, 7/5/12, ouched63188@... <ouched63188@...> wr Why do you think vaccines for animals and humans are basic science and actually prevent health problems? Vaccines (and most of modern medicine) are voodoo science and based on the germ theory that is a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2012 Report Share Posted July 6, 2012 Greetings, I personally would say so. 80 years ago, organophosphate fertilizers were coming into use, and they did not know the destruction and health problems that would come with their usage. Today, we do understand the health of the soil and the damage done by such things. Also, most people that understand the need for kefir, also understand the need for organic growing methods. Add to that, that permaculture can make farming far less work in the long run and a much greater benefit to ones health, the percentage of farmers changing over is rising. The drought patterns of the last few years have really hit the small farmer hard. And small farms are the ones that can change to permaculture methods to protect themselves from drought. While the change over has been slow, Mother Nature is encouraging farmers to learn better methods of farming, and not gently. Bright Blessings, Garth & Kim www.TheRoseColoredForest.com Bedias, Texas On 7/5/2012 11:57 AM, Larry Lemer wrote: > Lets agree to disagree, Al. My question was basically, is farming among > the kefir crowd any different than it was 80 years ago? > > Larry > > --- On Thu, 7/5/12, ouched63188@... > <mailto:ouched63188%40mypacks.net> <ouched63188@... > <mailto:ouched63188%40mypacks.net>> wr > > > > Why do you think vaccines for animals and humans are basic science and > actually prevent health problems? Vaccines (and most of modern medicine) > are voodoo science and based on the germ theory that is a lie. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 When the gov steps in to say you do not have a right to make a decision to consume raw milk and force pasturization. They are protecting Big Dairy not the consumer or the small organic farmer who feed their cows only grass. Its all based on the gern theory lies and greed. The blue milk from history that was diseased and made people sick was because of greed. Here is the history of blue milk and why New York State started pasteurizing milk (note there a lot of propaganda in the article touting the Germ Theory lies) http://www.neatorama.com/2011/01/17/the-fight-for-safe-milk-swill-milk/ http://www.neatorama.com/2011/01/24/the-fight-for-safe-milk-pasteurization/ Now, after reading the articles, was it truly the microbe that was the problem or greed and the health and living conditions of the cows and lack of nutrition and sanitation that caused the problems with the milk? Is it better to just pasteurize the milk and kill everything or is it better to give the cows a healthy diet of grass, and only grass, the way God created the cows to eat? Children under 5 have developing immune systems and are susceptible to these pathogens. But pasteurization wasn't the answer, it's the healthy and living conditions of the cows. The Typhoid Fever vaccine was developed in 1896, so the epidemic came after the vaccine. Louis Pasteur Recants His Germ Theory http://www.susandoreydesigns.com/insights/pasteur-recant.html Raw Certified milk vs Pasteurized milk http://www.realmilk.com/whichchoose.html Important for Swine Flu Epidemic: Homeopathy Successfully Treated Flu Epidemic of 1918 http://www.naturalnews.com/026148.html Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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