Re: Modern Farming?

July 5, 2012

I had a " hey, wait a minute! " moment. I had been expressing my confidence in raw

milk from modern farms since so many diseases that animals used to carry and

transmitted to man had been eradicated and then I thought: Modern veterinary

medicine is based on the same science as modern medicine for humans. Since I

recall hearing a majority of participating members here reject or doubt many

tenets of modern science, are some of them breeders and dairy farmers who refuse

to use the inoculations and medicines that keep things like raw milk safe from

the dangers of yore?

I'm against industrial farming in all respects. I'm against hormones and the

feed most cattle are fed. I'm against antibiotics unless an individual cow is

diagnosed with a serious infection. I want my cattle and milk grass-fed and

organic when available and affordable.

But when you start denying basic science, how can a buyer know you even believe

in modern sanitary practices? All the risks are diagnosable, but only if the

animals are tested and treated. Yes, there are many orthodox doctors and vets

who are closed-minded on topics we hold dear, but there are plenty of alternate

ones who know just how far we can go without doing more harm than good-and

they'll help us go that far.

So my question is: What safeguards are in place and which standard ones are

rejected? Is every raw milk and kefir grain provider using different techniques

depending on the degree to which they reject science?

I'm not inviting a debate or trying to insult anyone. I just need some answers.

Larry

July 5, 2012

To legally sell Raw Milk, dairy farmers have to have their animals inspected by

vets and/or other trained people. They undergo tests to ensure their health. My

neighbors who are Raw Milk farmers (and they sell Artisan cheese) do not go the

organic route for this reason. They love their cows and if they get sick they

want to treat them with antibiotics if needed. If they were certified organic

if they use antibiotics on a cow, that cow can never be used for organic again.

They would have to sell her. They don't want to lose their cow so they don't go

for the organic designator. I would take (and owe my life to) antibiotics when

needed. I would and do get my pets antibiotics when needed. I would want people

to be able to keep their cows healthy.

Lee Anne, Pennsylvania

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> I had a " hey, wait a minute! " moment. I had been expressing my confidence in

raw milk from modern farms since so many diseases that animals used to carry and

transmitted to man had been eradicated and then I thought: Modern veterinary

medicine is based on the same science as modern medicine for humans. Since I

recall hearing a majority of participating members here reject or doubt many

tenets of modern science, are some of them breeders and dairy farmers who refuse

to use the inoculations and medicines that keep things like raw milk safe from

the dangers of yore?

>

> I'm against industrial farming in all respects. I'm against hormones and the

feed most cattle are fed. I'm against antibiotics unless an individual cow is

diagnosed with a serious infection. I want my cattle and milk grass-fed and

organic when available and affordable.

>

> But when you start denying basic science, how can a buyer know you even

believe in modern sanitary practices? All the risks are diagnosable, but only if

the animals are tested and treated. Yes, there are many orthodox doctors and

vets who are closed-minded on topics we hold dear, but there are plenty of

alternate ones who know just how far we can go without doing more harm than

good-and they'll help us go that far.

>

> So my question is: What safeguards are in place and which standard ones are

rejected? Is every raw milk and kefir grain provider using different techniques

depending on the degree to which they reject science?

>

> I'm not inviting a debate or trying to insult anyone. I just need some

answers.

>

> Larry

>

July 5, 2012

80 years ago in western Kentucky my dad was 12 and his family had 2 cows so they

would have milk year round. Dad milked the cow every day (twice) and the family

drank milk, made butter, yogurt, and drank buttermilk and raw fresh milk. My dad

grew up, was a Marine for 30 years and is now 92 and still drinks milk and

buttermilk.

Lee Anne, Pennsylvania

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> There was major differences among the farms...there was the milk coming from

the breweries due to greed and then there was farms that people probably raised

their cows the natural way. I don't know about 80 years ago people drinking

kefir and ancient history of how they preserved milk in skins with the kefir