Re: Pastuerized milk is NOT 'Dead

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All true science disagree with what some say. Pasterized is as good as raw milk.

That is not true, hence a population suffering from arthritis and all other

joint disease. Research the dangers of pasterized milk. Byron

Pastuerized milk is NOT 'Dead "

I read a comment made by one of ths users,a nd I must diagree with it;

Pastuerized milk is NOT 'dead'...

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

The test for whether or not something is properly pasteurized is whether

or not the enzymes are still active or dead. Without those enzymes,

many of us can't digest the milk. God put them in the milk for a

reason, pasteurization kills the enzymes so it is dead. And many of us

can't drink the stuff.

Bacteria is not necessarily harmful. I drink nothing but raw milk, I

used it to help me fight cancer and I beat the cancer. And no, I am not

a fanatic about cleaning, my milk comes into my normal kitchen after I

hand milk my cow. Too clean a place impairs the immune system, which

needs a bit of a challenge to stay healthy.

Hospitals are the most fanatical place about sterilization and they

breed the nastiest bugs. Care to figure out the correlation?

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

Bedias, Texas

On 4/22/2012 11:50 AM, Kim H wrote:

> I read a comment made by one of ths users,a nd I must diagree with it;

> Pastuerized milk is NOT 'dead'.

>

[Guest guest]

Wow Kim,

Seems like someone pissed in your pasteurized milk, so to speak. :-)

You may have some personal experience with pasteurized cow milk, I am very

curious as to what you are allergic to in raw, that you are not in

pasteurized? I am completely opposite, although not allergic, was getting

sinus infections multiple times per year when drinking regular store bought

pasteurized milk. I stopped drinking milk for 10 years and during that

time never had another sinus infection. After raw milk became avail in my

state, I started using it. Frist cow, now goat, and have not suffered at

all.

How can you say it " kills off harmful bacteria, period " , no ALL bacteria.

Also enzymes. That is how successful pasteurization is tested/verified.

There is harmful bacteria everywhere. Using antibacterial soap is a hoax.

Your hands get reinfected from airborne bacteria in something like 6

minutes. Your body constantly kills off " foreign invaders " and also

removes millions of cancer cells each day. It's only when that wonderful

immune system is compromised that the body suffers. Research shows it's

helpful to have young children play in dirt, etc. It helps their immune

system get strong, rather than make them a boy in the bubble.

I really hope you cook all the vegetables that you eat, since they all

contain dangerous bacteria too.

Also, please explain how changing the lipid profile of goats milk by

heating it is beneficial, I've never heard this claim.

I'm very interested in why this sparked such an emotional response.

Good Kefiring!

Leo

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Kim H <celticdragonlady2002@...>wrote:

> **

>

>

> I read a comment made by one of ths users,a nd I must diagree with it;

> Pastuerized milk is NOT 'dead'.

>

> I may not know a lot of things, but this I do know about.

>

> Pastuerization kills off harmful bacteria, period. You can be as clean as

> can be with your procedures and still have harmful bacteria in your raw

> milk.

>

> We raised dairy goats, and we used a pastuerizer. We had healthy animals

> and had a lovely small milk room set up that was always as clean as could

> be after every milking session, scrubbed down twice a day, and had a real

> deep clean on Sundays, and our equipment was ALWAYS cleaned after every

> milking, as it should be. The pastuerization was just an extra 'insurance'

> step, if you will, that the our milk was safe.

>

> All a pasturizer does is heat milk up to a certain temperature and hold it

> there to kill off the harmful bacteria and then it cools the milk down.

> Yes, it DOES change some of the lipid chains in the milk; however, this is

> not harmful; in fact, its beneficial....we pastuerized our goats milk just

> to ensure that it was safe not only for us to consume, but to sell to

> people as well, and that was just a safety factor.

>

> I for one, LOVE fresh cows milk; but I am VERY allergic to it; and it does

> not matter which dairy or area it comes from. Yet, I can drink PASTUERIZED

> cows milk, and have for years. I am certain that the change in the chemical

> changes that comes from pastuerization is what makes the difference.

>

> And since there is a stove top method of pastuerization that DOES do a

> 'light' pastuerization of raw milk, I am familiar with the process that is

> referered to, the milk is heated up to a certain temperature, held there

> for 5 minutes as you constantly stir it, and then its cooled by placing the

> pan into a bowl of ice water. We used to do the same thing with extra goat

> colostrum when a doe would have more than needed for her babies. We would

> then freeze it against needing it for goat babies who might need it.

>

> There is NOTHING wrong with pastuerized milk. With some of the health

> issues that a lot of people have, pastuerized is far safer than risking

> picking up something from unpastuerized milk that will seriously compromise

> their health further.

>

> Also, since someone is pregnant and has been lightly pastuerizing their

> milk before now, I see no reason in telling them what they are doing is

> incorrect; she seems to be doing well so far, so why change things if they

> are working for her?

>

> I for one will continue to use pastuerized milk, and STILL get the most of

> the same benefits from making kefir from it as I would get using

> unpastuerized milk. -- Kim in Texas

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> " How can you say it " kills off harmful bacteria, period " , no ALL bacteria. "

Leo, I just about snorted my water reading this because it's exactly what I was

thinking.

Off to kefir some with some totally alive raw milk.

On Apr 22, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Leo Girardi wrote:

> Wow Kim,

>

> Seems like someone pissed in your pasteurized milk, so to speak. :-)

>

> You may have some personal experience with pasteurized cow milk, I am very

> curious as to what you are allergic to in raw, that you are not in

> pasteurized? I am completely opposite, although not allergic, was getting

> sinus infections multiple times per year when drinking regular store bought

> pasteurized milk. I stopped drinking milk for 10 years and during that

> time never had another sinus infection. After raw milk became avail in my

> state, I started using it. Frist cow, now goat, and have not suffered at

> all.

>

> How can you say it " kills off harmful bacteria, period " , no ALL bacteria.

> Also enzymes. That is how successful pasteurization is tested/verified.

>

> There is harmful bacteria everywhere. Using antibacterial soap is a hoax.

> Your hands get reinfected from airborne bacteria in something like 6

> minutes. Your body constantly kills off " foreign invaders " and also

> removes millions of cancer cells each day. It's only when that wonderful

> immune system is compromised that the body suffers. Research shows it's

> helpful to have young children play in dirt, etc. It helps their immune

> system get strong, rather than make them a boy in the bubble.

>

> I really hope you cook all the vegetables that you eat, since they all

> contain dangerous bacteria too.

>

> Also, please explain how changing the lipid profile of goats milk by

> heating it is beneficial, I've never heard this claim.

>

> I'm very interested in why this sparked such an emotional response.

>

> Good Kefiring!

>

> Leo

>

> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Kim H <celticdragonlady2002@...>wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> I read a comment made by one of ths users,a nd I must diagree with it;

>> Pastuerized milk is NOT 'dead'.

>>

>> I may not know a lot of things, but this I do know about.

>>

>> Pastuerization kills off harmful bacteria, period. You can be as clean as

>> can be with your procedures and still have harmful bacteria in your raw

>> milk.

>>

>> We raised dairy goats, and we used a pastuerizer. We had healthy animals

>> and had a lovely small milk room set up that was always as clean as could

>> be after every milking session, scrubbed down twice a day, and had a real

>> deep clean on Sundays, and our equipment was ALWAYS cleaned after every

>> milking, as it should be. The pastuerization was just an extra 'insurance'

>> step, if you will, that the our milk was safe.

>>

>> All a pasturizer does is heat milk up to a certain temperature and hold it

>> there to kill off the harmful bacteria and then it cools the milk down.

>> Yes, it DOES change some of the lipid chains in the milk; however, this is

>> not harmful; in fact, its beneficial....we pastuerized our goats milk just

>> to ensure that it was safe not only for us to consume, but to sell to

>> people as well, and that was just a safety factor.

>>

>> I for one, LOVE fresh cows milk; but I am VERY allergic to it; and it does

>> not matter which dairy or area it comes from. Yet, I can drink PASTUERIZED

>> cows milk, and have for years. I am certain that the change in the chemical

>> changes that comes from pastuerization is what makes the difference.

>>

>> And since there is a stove top method of pastuerization that DOES do a

>> 'light' pastuerization of raw milk, I am familiar with the process that is

>> referered to, the milk is heated up to a certain temperature, held there

>> for 5 minutes as you constantly stir it, and then its cooled by placing the

>> pan into a bowl of ice water. We used to do the same thing with extra goat

>> colostrum when a doe would have more than needed for her babies. We would

>> then freeze it against needing it for goat babies who might need it.

>>

>> There is NOTHING wrong with pastuerized milk. With some of the health

>> issues that a lot of people have, pastuerized is far safer than risking

>> picking up something from unpastuerized milk that will seriously compromise

>> their health further.

>>

>> Also, since someone is pregnant and has been lightly pastuerizing their

>> milk before now, I see no reason in telling them what they are doing is

>> incorrect; she seems to be doing well so far, so why change things if they

>> are working for her?

>>

>> I for one will continue to use pastuerized milk, and STILL get the most of

>> the same benefits from making kefir from it as I would get using

>> unpastuerized milk. -- Kim in Texas

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kim H is absolutely right--pasteurized milk is not " dead " , per se, because

if the pasteurized milk was totally sterile, nothing would be able to grow

in it--good, bad, or otherwise. However, we know this is not the case,

because our kefir grains grow in pasteurized milk, and they are not living

off lactose (sugars) alone. Not only that, some bacteria can be killed at

low temperatures, like 90 Degrees F, whereas other bacteria can thrive up

to the autoclave temps of 250 F.

My husband is a former chemistry professor who spent his summers on his

grandparents' farm. He helped milk the cows and goats, and he made cheese

from raw milk. He is also one of those people who will eat meat several

days beyond it's " safe date " , meaning, he's not an ultra-cautious type. He

has no hesitation drinks the raw milk kefir (both goat and cow) that I

ferment. Yet in the same breath he will tell me, that, as a chemist, he

knows he's taking a chance when he drinks raw milk, but that is his adult

choice. When serving it to other people, however, he says it is better to

be cautious and not take risks, and do a gentle-pasteurization, which I do.

Ironically, I have found my best, most productive kefir comes from the

Target (Archer Farms) organic, ultra-pasteurized milk, so who can say?

Kim in Florida

[Guest guest]

Here is a link describing the difference between the nutrition of Raw vs.

Pasturized milk.

http://www.realmilk.com/whichchoose.html

Pasturized milk IS DEAD! When milk is heated above 100.5 degrees, the process

of destruction of the vitamins/minerals/enzymes/etc. begins. I don't know the

absolute temp. where all good and bad bacteria are destroyed, but rest assured,

the good bacteria and enzymes die with the bad. Pasturization is destroying

everything good and healthy and immune building about the milk.

You can choose to drink Pasturized milk, that is your choice, but if you feed

your goats/cows pasturized milk, they are likely to live a very sick lives, if

not outright die.

This next link was a study done on 2 calves. One fed raw milk and the other

pasturized milk. Please beware that these images may be disturbing, but are

important to understand the science of why raw milk is far superior than

pasturized milk and how damaging to a calf's health when fed. If it does that

to a COWS body, what does it do to the HUMAN BODY? Raw milk is ALIVE and

brimming with nutrients and energy that feed the body.

http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/the-tale-of-two-calves-one-calf-got-ra\

w-milk-the-other-pasteurized/

Harvard study: Pasteurized milk from industrial dairies

linked to cancer ....(of course this is NOT the same as small family farms)

http://www.naturalnews.com/035081_pasteurized_milk_cancer_dairy.html#ixzz1spzHHU\

CE

Health Ranger releases raw milk infographic comparing fresh raw dairy to

pasteurized

homogenized dead milk

http://www.naturalnews.com/035130_raw_milk_infographic_pasteurized.html#ixzz1spx\

uqDqO

I hope this helps to clear things up. You can drink whatever you want, but know

the facts first.

Al

[Guest guest]

Garth & Kim,

You are absolutely right about what you say! Yes, those hand sanitizers are not

just poison that you absorb through your skin, but breed resistent microbes. We

definitely have to get out there in the dirt as kids...and adults for that

matter and get some germs. These germs help our immune systems learn what to

do.

Congratulations on your beating cancer with raw milk!!! Whooohoooo!!!

Al

Re: Pastuerized milk is NOT 'Dead "

Greetings,

The test for whether or not something is properly pasteurized is whether

or not the enzymes are still active or dead. Without those enzymes,

many of us can't digest the milk. God put them in the milk for a

reason, pasteurization kills the enzymes so it is dead. And many of us

can't drink the stuff.

Bacteria is not necessarily harmful. I drink nothing but raw milk, I

used it to help me fight cancer and I beat the cancer. And no, I am not

a fanatic about cleaning, my milk comes into my normal kitchen after I

hand milk my cow. Too clean a place impairs the immune system, which

needs a bit of a challenge to stay healthy.

Hospitals are the most fanatical place about sterilization and they

breed the nastiest bugs. Care to figure out the correlation?

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

www.TheRoseColoredForest.com

Bedias, Texas

On 4/22/2012 11:50 AM, Kim H wrote:

> I read a comment made by one of ths users,a nd I must diagree with it;

> Pastuerized milk is NOT 'dead'.

>

[Guest guest]

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Kim <kimanjo@...> wrote:

> Kim H is absolutely right--pasteurized milk is not " dead " , per se, because

> if the pasteurized milk was totally sterile, nothing would be able to grow

> in it--good, bad, or otherwise.

>

That is not accurate. I can grow kefir grains in reconstituted powdered

milk. Pretty sterile if you ask me...

It is the sugar they live on.

Kombucha also. I boil everything. Water, sugar, tea is not boiled but

devoid of any bacteria because of water so hot. Then I add the live

culture. That's the part that is alive. Not necessarily the medium.

Marilyn