Guest guest Posted June 29, 2012 Report Share Posted June 29, 2012 Antibiotics are bad, bad news. A much better option would be Sovereign Silver. There is no chance of druge resistent bacteria and it works like 1000x's better than the pharmacutical kind and it's actually beneficial, making your immune system stronger. There are other natural antibiotics like coconut oil, manuka honey and non-irratiated cinnamon that are great antibiotics. There are so many more natural ways to go without any of the side effects. Al > > Hi, folks, I've been spending a good amount of time turning my interior into a probiotic garden, one big reason I wanted a high concentration of organisms and tried the sun to get it. > > Unfortunately, and not for the first time either, I have an infection and had to go one antibiotics. My poor babies. My pet flora. > > I'm driving up to NY earlier than I planned to make up for not flying and so I'm asking Marilyn to put my kefir order on hold for two weeks til I'm back. I will also write her, but with her huge backlog of emails to read, it doesn't hurt to try multiple ways. If the kefir arrives while I'm gone, a family member will store it in the fridge, which is the best I can expect from that person, hence it's better if it doesn't come yet. > > Marilyn, if you see this, please acknowledge so I can relax. > > I'll still be online every day while traveling. > > Best wishes, > > Larry > > PS: Was this too off-topic? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 On silver I defer to the medical establishment that says silver is toxic. I don't always defer to the established authorities as they are skeptical of nutritional and herbal supplements and organic foods and I take and eat lots of it, except in select cases where toxicity is a concern. I wasn't always this good to myself and I pamper my body now to make up for youthful excesses. I'm 61 and would like to reach at least 80. Larry (I think I forgot to sign my last post. If so, sorry). Antibiotics are bad, bad news. A much better option would be Sovereign Silver. Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 I've used silver in the silver aloe protocol for 3 months. It must be in an active form with nano particles without salts. Its extremely regenerative to tissue and antimicrobial. Look up the history of silver. It was THE antibiotic before the petrochemical patented antibiotics came abiout. They can't patent it so they don't want you to know about it. Go to sovereignsilver.com. I run away from voodoo science of western medicine. You should read naturalnews.com. Type in their search for silver or anyrhing else you want to know. You couldl live to 100 if you use silver, not so if you kill all the microbes in your body with toxic antibiotics. Al, Re: Re: Probiotic Massacre On silver I defer to the medical establishment that says silver is toxic. I don't always defer to the established authorities as they are skeptical of nutritional and herbal supplements and organic foods and I take and eat lots of it, except in select cases where toxicity is a concern. I wasn't always this good to myself and I pamper my body now to make up for youthful excesses. I'm 61 and would like to reach at least 80. Larry (I think I forgot to sign my last post. If so, sorry). Antibiotics are bad, bad news. A much better option would be Sovereign Silver. Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Hi Larry, Home fermentation (beyond kefir) is something I’ve just started exploring, so I would be happy to learn along with you. Where is the off topic group? From: Larry Lemer Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:56 PM Subject: Probiotic Massacre I'm very into yogurt and buttermilk and curious about other fermented foods from around the world. Is that on topic though? Should we move to the off topic group? I'm crazy about goat milk products and goat cheeses especially. Expensive, though. You might look into trying some other types of fermented foods in order to add a wider variety and increased amounts of beneficials for your inner garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 What about skin discoloration? Silver will target my specific pathogen and spare other microbes? Voodoo science leaves much to be desired, but back when silver was the norm and science was primitive, the average lifespan was maybe 50. Good health to all, Larry --- On Sat, 6/30/12, ouched63188@... <ouched63188@...> w I run away from voodoo science of western medicine. You could live to 100 if you use silver, not so if you kill all the microbes in your body with toxic antibiotics. Al, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 _OffTopicChat-subscribe _OffTopicChat/  Hi Larry, Home fermentation (beyond kefir) is something I’ve just started exploring, so I would be happy to learn along with you. Where is the off topic group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2012 Report Share Posted June 30, 2012 Hi Larry, Thanks for posting here. I am 484 emails behind and who knows if I would have seen your direct email on time. Let's wait until you get back. Let me know... here... or there. OT: Silver won't hurt you if you get it in the right particle size. One man that I know of turned grey/blue and of course, his story is posted all over the internet to scare people away. I don't think silver differentiates between good and bad but there are thousands more good and you can spare some while it kills off the few bad ones making you sick. My strategy is that you fight bad bacteria with probiotics (kefir, kim chee, sauerkraut, kombucha, etc.) and you fight fungus with antifungals, which herbs would be your best bet. Marilyn, who tolerates a little bit of off topic stuff here, but not much On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:51 PM, ljlemer <ljlemer@...> wrote: > Hi, folks, I've been spending a good amount of time turning my interior > into a probiotic garden, one big reason I wanted a high concentration of > organisms and tried the sun to get it. > > Unfortunately, and not for the first time either, I have an infection and > had to go one antibiotics. My poor babies. My pet flora. > > I'm driving up to NY earlier than I planned to make up for not flying and > so I'm asking Marilyn to put my kefir order on hold for two weeks til I'm > back. I will also write her, but with her huge backlog of emails to read, > it doesn't hurt to try multiple ways. If the kefir arrives while I'm gone, > a family member will store it in the fridge, which is the best I can expect > from that person, hence it's better if it doesn't come yet. > > Marilyn, if you see this, please acknowledge so I can relax. > > I'll still be online every day while traveling. > > Best wishes, > > Larry > > PS: Was this too off-topic? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 The did turn blue, but not because he was drinking a good quality colloidal silver, but becase he was drinking gallons of the silver that he processed with salt. Nobody is recommending you drink gallons of poor quality silver, but silver is a natural antimicrobial that is extremely regenerating to non diseased tissues. Use it on a burn and you will not scar or scar much less than if you didn't use any. Here is the story about the blue man...oh, he is very healthy and LOVES being blue and will not stop drinking his silver. One thing is, he probably will never get sick as he has way too much silver in his body. http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/faq_detail.php?FAQID=19 Al Re: Probiotic Massacre Hi Larry, Thanks for posting here. I am 484 emails behind and who knows if I would have seen your direct email on time. Let's wait until you get back. Let me know... here... or there. OT: Silver won't hurt you if you get it in the right particle size. One man that I know of turned grey/blue and of course, his story is posted all over the internet to scare people away. I don't think silver differentiates between good and bad but there are thousands more good and you can spare some while it kills off the few bad ones making you sick. My strategy is that you fight bad bacteria with probiotics (kefir, kim chee, sauerkraut, kombucha, etc.) and you fight fungus with antifungals, which herbs would be your best bet. Marilyn, who tolerates a little bit of off topic stuff here, but not much On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:51 PM, ljlemer <ljlemer@...> wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 I'll stick to one thing you said that I agree with: improved sanitation. That is why I consider raw milk from a responsible farmer to be worth any risk that mostly applied to raw milk in the old days when cows often carried TB, etc. Nothing is completely without risk and I don't like being mollycoddled by my government. I don't mind warnings, but I hate bans. I listen to all sides and make my own decisions. In Florida we have to buy raw milk for our pets and animals and then drink the pet food. That's better than a complete ban. Larry PS: My father was raised in the city and visited a farm 80 odd years ago and drank raw milk and developed osteomyelitis (TB of the bone) for which he was eventually cured. He's 85 now and still very healthy. My point is, I wouldn't blame him for living in the past and refusing raw milk, but I live in the present and modern farming has changed since his day. Back in those primitive times you were talking about when people died early and by their 50's was a time when there wasn't organized sanitation. There was feces in the streets and there was no clean water and people didn't know to wash their hands. When they started cleaning up the water and sanitation, the diseases disappeared and lifespans lengthened. It had nothing to do with vaccines or not taking silver. It was all about toxicity and nutrition. They were also using a lot of pesticides back then. DDT was the reason for polio, not a virus. My mother had polio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 There was polio before DDT was invented. As to TB, cows now are inspected on a regular basis and tested for TB. Very low to no risk of getting TB from raw milk. States have very rigid rules about raw milk dairies so I would be confident in drinking raw milk. We drink raw milk exclusively in my family which we get from our next door neighbors who are certified raw milk farmers. Lee Anne, Pennsylvania > > Back in those primitive times you were talking about when people died early and by their 50's was a time when there wasn't organized sanitation. There was feces in the streets and there was no clean water and people didn't know to wash their hands. When they started cleaning up the water and sanitation, the diseases disappeared and lifespans lengthened. It had nothing to do with vaccines or not taking silver. It was all about toxicity and nutrition. They were also using a lot of pesticides back then. DDT was the reason for polio, not a virus. My mother had polio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2012 Report Share Posted July 4, 2012 Greetings, Both my father and grandfather had polio. The research I read said that some forms of polio were caused by organophosphates [sp?] such as the early fertilizers. They traced families to the farms, especially families where an adult got polio, which is supposed to be a childhood disease. Bright Blessings, Garth & Kim www.TheRoseColoredForest.com Bedias, Texas On 7/4/2012 6:39 AM, Tigertame4 wrote: > > There was polio before DDT was invented. As to TB, cows now are > inspected on a regular basis and tested for TB. Very low to no risk of > getting TB from raw milk. States have very rigid rules about raw milk > dairies so I would be confident in drinking raw milk. We drink raw milk > exclusively in my family which we get from our next door neighbors who > are certified raw milk farmers. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Forgot to include this link the other day about polio. Polio was caused by toxicity, whether it was DDT or pesticides or other chemicals. They didn't eradicate it, they just changed it's name. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html Al Re: Probiotic Massacre There was polio before DDT was invented. As to TB, cows now are inspected on a regular basis and tested for TB. Very low to no risk of getting TB from raw milk. States have very rigid rules about raw milk dairies so I would be confident in drinking raw milk. We drink raw milk exclusively in my family which we get from our next door neighbors who are certified raw milk farmers. Lee Anne, Pennsylvania > > Back in those primitive times you were talking about when people died early and by their 50's was a time when there wasn't organized sanitation. There was feces in the streets and there was no clean water and people didn't know to wash their hands. When they started cleaning up the water and sanitation, the diseases disappeared and lifespans lengthened. It had nothing to do with vaccines or not taking silver. It was all about toxicity and nutrition. They were also using a lot of pesticides back then. DDT was the reason for polio, not a virus. My mother had polio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 And of course AIDS is also not what we think, right? Larry Forgot to include this link the other day about polio. Polio was caused by toxicity, whether it was DDT or pesticides or other chemicals. They didn't eradicate it, they just changed it's name. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 HIV is fake but Aids is real...it's an immune deficiency that goes away when they are fed proper nutrition, which reduces inflammation in the body. There are 110 reasons for false positive results on an HIV test (including malaria and pregnancy and recently getting a vaccine)...doesn't that make you wonder? Black box HIV drugs can kill a healthy person, what will it do to a person who has a poor immune system? Watch the documentary House of Numbers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p-ttLfkZHQ You should listen to the Bell show, you will learn a lot about the history of allopathic medicine (modern medicine/Western Medicine). His show is not pharmacutically conflicted. http://www.naturalnewsradio.com/ Al Re: Re: Probiotic Massacre And of course AIDS is also not what we think, right? Larry Forgot to include this link the other day about polio. Polio was caused by toxicity, whether it was DDT or pesticides or other chemicals. They didn't eradicate it, they just changed it's name. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 Would you guys mind moving this and other stuff like it to the OT group? Thanks. From: ouched63188@... Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 11:09 AM Kefir Grains forum Subject: Re: Re: Probiotic Massacre HIV is fake but Aids is real...it's an immune deficiency that goes away when they are fed proper nutrition, which reduces inflammation in the body. There are 110 reasons for false positive results on an HIV test (including malaria and pregnancy and recently getting a vaccine)...doesn't that make you wonder? Black box HIV drugs can kill a healthy person, what will it do to a person who has a poor immune system? Watch the documentary House of Numbers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p-ttLfkZHQ You should listen to the Bell show, you will learn a lot about the history of allopathic medicine (modern medicine/Western Medicine). His show is not pharmacutically conflicted. http://www.naturalnewsradio.com/ Al Re: Re: Probiotic Massacre And of course AIDS is also not what we think, right? Larry Forgot to include this link the other day about polio. Polio was caused by toxicity, whether it was DDT or pesticides or other chemicals. They didn't eradicate it, they just changed it's name. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 , Where is the Off Topics group, please. Forgot to include this link the other day about polio. Polio was caused by toxicity, whether it was DDT or pesticides or other chemicals. They didn't eradicate it, they just changed it's name. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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