Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Sounds again like another idea that looks great on the surface or in the mind of people whom haven't dealt with the practial realities of life as a medic onshore or off shore. IF and when they get around to asking " what " as paramedic does and what he needs and then come up with equiptment that is " paramedic proof " small light and only takes a minute or two to set up and use, they might have somthing. Must say I look forward to additional tests with telemed.Have to agree with Bill a useful system is a long, long way off if ever so until then I guess " the man " will just have to train the medic and trust his skills and experience. Cheers Tom >From: " Base Paramedic [bT] " <Base_Paramedic@...> >Reply- > " ' ' " >< > >Subject: Telemedcine Trials >Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:18:02 +0100 > >Hi Arlene, > >Thanks very much for sharing that. It sounds as though 'real time' visual >reporting from remote areas is still a fair way off- unless you've got a >Sky >TV crew immediately to hand, and even they seemed to frequently lose the >link when reporting on the Afghan crisis! When I first heard of the >proposals I had some reservations about whether or not the bandwidth would >cope with the amount of information they were proposing to >transmit/receive. > > >As you say, it would appear to be more efficient to use a decent combined >12 >lead ECG/defib and then download the information onto the intranet for the >topside advisor to see. Although the intended recipient will be reading the >information a couple of minutes later at least it is quality information - >and you still have the phone link for real time audio reporting. > >Then again there's always the time honoured fax! > >Cheers, >Bill > > > > > > > > RE: FW: Smart Incident Management System >(SI MS) > > > >Hi Bill >I'm covering on a BP rig at the moment and for the past month or so we've >been trialing a telemedicine system. I think that the system has potential >but may not be practical in this environment. >A few things that I picked up on are: >It is in 2 separate units. A backpack with all your patient monitoring >equipment and a laptop for displaying the findings and communicating. The >units have to be a minimum of 6 ft apart and can work up to 300 ft from >each >other. It would be better if it was one unit. The backack is pretty flimsy >and I couldn't see it lasting long if you took it out of the sickbay. Also >in trials here you couldn't get a signal through the bulkheads, so you >couldn't take it out anyway. If you did you would have to be somewhere with >a phone socket for the laptop. >The system is very slow. It took 6 minutes to say 'hello are you recieving >me' and get a reply of yes 'loud and clear'. Also if you are speaking to >the >doc you loose all your patient data from the screen. I found that the >batteries don't last that long, so if you were out and about with it you >would need a few spares. >It only comes with a 3 lead ECG and they're not chest leads. Don't know if >you could upgrade to 12 lead I didn't get an answer on that one. >If they ironed out the flaws it could be a good system but I don't think >it's necessary here, might be good in a really remote setting. Could do the >same thing with a top of the range defib for a heck of a lot less money. >Regards >Arlene > " Base Paramedic [bT] " <Base_Paramedic@...> wrote: A SIMS pack >was >delivered to the Bruce platform whilst I was doing a locum >there however it had been tailored specifically to BP's needs and it was >accompanied by 'offshore specific' Smart medi -memos, one for each medic so >that they could customise it to their own requirements. There was also a >BMJ >book explainig the Manchester Triage System accompanying each set. > >If my memory serves me right the SIMs formed part of BP health's 'Project >Way 2 Go' aimed at improving patient prioritising and establishing >continuous decision making support. I don't know how far the projects gone >but it even included continuous telemedicine from when the patient is >hooked up to monitoring facilities in the offshore clinic all the way >through to Aberdeen Royal, including the whole helicopter journey (in a >Puma >fitted with sat comms) - I'd be interested to hear from anybody 'in the >know'. > >The expectant category has been around for quite a long time in the >military-albeit the unofficial P4 - basically they're injuries are so >severe that they are not going to survive treatment/transport and that >giving that treatment will compromise the treatment/transport of others. I >believe it may have been started as a result of lessons learned during the >Falklands in 1982? > >Best regards, >Bill > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 Tom, I think I showed you that presentation I wrote on remote imaging when you came over? Basically there are a number of aspects that must be thought about and one of the most important is, fitness for the environment. If the system can't stand knocks, gases, water, being dropped, weighs a ton, has a short battery life, has no real comms abililty, requires a PhD to use it is crap. If Tim Cranton can contact me offlist to give his consent for the use of his photos in the presentation, then I will upload the presentation to the shared files area or the site. It will need some bespoking to rebadge it for RemoteMedics and to include my lecture notes. Ross > Re: Telemedcine Trials > > > Sounds again like another idea that looks great on the surface or in the > mind of people whom haven't dealt with the practial realities of > life as a > medic onshore or off shore. IF and when they get around to asking > " what " as > paramedic does and what he needs and then come up with equiptment that is > " paramedic proof " small light and only takes a minute or two to > set up and > use, they might have somthing. Must say I look forward to > additional tests > with telemed.Have to agree with Bill a useful system is a long, > long way off > if ever so until then I guess " the man " will just have to train the medic > and trust his skills and experience. > > Cheers > > Tom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2002 Report Share Posted February 9, 2002 NO Ross you didn't show me.........oh well! but your right the equipt. needs major over hauling and thought Cheers Tom >From: " Ross Boardman " <ross.boardman@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: RE: Telemedcine Trials >Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:30:19 -0000 > >Tom, > >I think I showed you that presentation I wrote on remote imaging when you >came over? > >Basically there are a number of aspects that must be thought about and one >of the most important is, fitness for the environment. If the system can't >stand knocks, gases, water, being dropped, weighs a ton, has a short >battery >life, has no real comms abililty, requires a PhD to use it is crap. > >If Tim Cranton can contact me offlist to give his consent for the use of >his >photos in the presentation, then I will upload the presentation to the >shared files area or the site. It will need some bespoking to rebadge it >for >RemoteMedics and to include my lecture notes. > >Ross > > > > Re: Telemedcine Trials > > > > > > Sounds again like another idea that looks great on the surface or in the > > mind of people whom haven't dealt with the practial realities of > > life as a > > medic onshore or off shore. IF and when they get around to asking > > " what " as > > paramedic does and what he needs and then come up with equiptment that >is > > " paramedic proof " small light and only takes a minute or two to > > set up and > > use, they might have somthing. Must say I look forward to > > additional tests > > with telemed.Have to agree with Bill a useful system is a long, > > long way off > > if ever so until then I guess " the man " will just have to train the >medic > > and trust his skills and experience. > > > > Cheers > > > > Tom > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 About to be annuonced any day now in the UK, the DOH has equipped front line ambulances with equipment to provide 12 lead ecg / telemetry. There are two providers - Ortivus / Medtronic Physio-Control - LIFEPAK 12. Each unit can transmit by various options providing real time ecg / voice contact but only the LIFEPAK has an integrated defibrillator. Regards Alan >>> tom5255@... 02/09/02 07:10pm >>> Sounds again like another idea that looks great on the surface or in the mind of people whom haven't dealt with the practial realities of life as a medic onshore or off shore. IF and when they get around to asking " what " as paramedic does and what he needs and then come up with equiptment that is " paramedic proof " small light and only takes a minute or two to set up and use, they might have somthing. Must say I look forward to additional tests with telemed.Have to agree with Bill a useful system is a long, long way off if ever so until then I guess " the man " will just have to train the medic and trust his skills and experience. Cheers Tom >From: " Base Paramedic [bT] " <Base_Paramedic@...> >Reply- > " ' ' " >< > >Subject: Telemedcine Trials >Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 07:18:02 +0100 > >Hi Arlene, > >Thanks very much for sharing that. It sounds as though 'real time' visual >reporting from remote areas is still a fair way off- unless you've got a >Sky >TV crew immediately to hand, and even they seemed to frequently lose the >link when reporting on the Afghan crisis! When I first heard of the >proposals I had some reservations about whether or not the bandwidth would >cope with the amount of information they were proposing to >transmit/receive. > > >As you say, it would appear to be more efficient to use a decent combined >12 >lead ECG/defib and then download the information onto the intranet for the >topside advisor to see. Although the intended recipient will be reading the >information a couple of minutes later at least it is quality information - >and you still have the phone link for real time audio reporting. > >Then again there's always the time honoured fax! > >Cheers, >Bill > > > > > > > > RE: FW: Smart Incident Management System >(SI MS) > > > >Hi Bill >I'm covering on a BP rig at the moment and for the past month or so we've >been trialing a telemedicine system. I think that the system has potential >but may not be practical in this environment. >A few things that I picked up on are: >It is in 2 separate units. A backpack with all your patient monitoring >equipment and a laptop for displaying the findings and communicating. The >units have to be a minimum of 6 ft apart and can work up to 300 ft from >each >other. It would be better if it was one unit. The backack is pretty flimsy >and I couldn't see it lasting long if you took it out of the sickbay. Also >in trials here you couldn't get a signal through the bulkheads, so you >couldn't take it out anyway. If you did you would have to be somewhere with >a phone socket for the laptop. >The system is very slow. It took 6 minutes to say 'hello are you recieving >me' and get a reply of yes 'loud and clear'. Also if you are speaking to >the >doc you loose all your patient data from the screen. I found that the >batteries don't last that long, so if you were out and about with it you >would need a few spares. >It only comes with a 3 lead ECG and they're not chest leads. Don't know if >you could upgrade to 12 lead I didn't get an answer on that one. >If they ironed out the flaws it could be a good system but I don't think >it's necessary here, might be good in a really remote setting. Could do the >same thing with a top of the range defib for a heck of a lot less money. >Regards >Arlene > " Base Paramedic [bT] " <Base_Paramedic@...> wrote: A SIMS pack >was >delivered to the Bruce platform whilst I was doing a locum >there however it had been tailored specifically to BP's needs and it was >accompanied by 'offshore specific' Smart medi -memos, one for each medic so >that they could customise it to their own requirements. There was also a >BMJ >book explainig the Manchester Triage System accompanying each set. > >If my memory serves me right the SIMs formed part of BP health's 'Project >Way 2 Go' aimed at improving patient prioritising and establishing >continuous decision making support. I don't know how far the projects gone >but it even included continuous telemedicine from when the patient is >hooked up to monitoring facilities in the offshore clinic all the way >through to Aberdeen Royal, including the whole helicopter journey (in a >Puma >fitted with sat comms) - I'd be interested to hear from anybody 'in the >know'. > >The expectant category has been around for quite a long time in the >military-albeit the unofficial P4 - basically they're injuries are so >severe that they are not going to survive treatment/transport and that >giving that treatment will compromise the treatment/transport of others. I >believe it may have been started as a result of lessons learned during the >Falklands in 1982? > >Best regards, >Bill > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... 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Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 Sounds like the Vitalink1200 system that Arlene's been using. The BP Way 2 Go system was going to be based on Mobimed and there is another one called the Tempus2000 by a company called RDT. I'm sure these folks have websites so I'll try and post the links when I find them. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 As promised the three telemedicine systems mentioned http://www.ortivus.se/mobimed.asp?mi=prod & submi=mobimed http://www.telemedics.com/corpsite/index.html http://www.rdtltd.com/ some of the sites require flash may take while to download on slower bandwidth Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 Greg Also got the Mobimed in the field, it's being set up for trials at the minute but don't hold your breath it could take a while. Arlene Greg Irons <greg.irons@...> wrote: Sounds like the Vitalink1200 system that Arlene's been using. The BP Way 2 Go system was going to be based on Mobimed and there is another one called the Tempus2000 by a company called RDT. I'm sure these folks have websites so I'll try and post the links when I find them. Greg Member Information: List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@... Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@... Post message: egroups Subscribe: -subscribeegroups Unsubscribe: -unsubscribeegroups Thank you for supporting Remote Medics Online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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