Vegetarian

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

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" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/food_in_china.html

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October 14, 2003

G Boettner <boettner@m...> wrote:

> Having looked at what people eat, the Okinawan people have one of

the

> better lifestyles, eating locally grown food (in their own garden

or

> nearby) and some fish.

>>>>As far as I know the Okinawans are known for their heavy pork

consumption. Japanese friends from Tokyo who went for holidays to

Okinawa always came back talking about all the pork and pork stock

etc. And Okinawans have the longest lifespan in Japan. Where is

your source that says they are primarily vegetarian?

----->thanks for piping in with personal experience filippa. we had the

okinawan conversation a number of months ago when a book came out touting

their supposed vegetarianism leanings and their good health. it's just

another in a long line of misrepresentations of asian diets. here's an

excerpt from an article on the WAPF website re the okinawan diet:

" Before we throw up our hands and decide that no conclusions can be made

about diet and health in China, let us turn our attention to the mixed

peoples of Okinawa, situated equidistant from Hong Kong and Tokyo. The

average lifespan for women in Okinawa is 84 (compared to 79 in American),

and the island boasts a disproportionately large number of centenarians.

Okinawans have low levels of chronic illness—osteoporosis, cancer, diabetes,

atherosclerosis and stroke—compared to America, China and Japan, which

allows them to continue to work, even in advanced years. In spite of Okinawa

’s horrific role in World War II, as the site of one of the bloodiest

battles of the Pacific, Okinawa is a breezy, pleasant place, neither crowded

nor polluted, with a strong sense of family and community and where the

local people produce much of what they consume.

And what do Okinawans eat? The main meat of the diet is pork, and not the

lean cuts only. Okinawan cuisine, according to gerontologist Kazuhiko Taira,

“is very healthy—and very, very greasy,” in a 1996 article that appeared in

Health Magazine.19 And the whole pig is eaten—everything from “tails to

nails.” Local menus offer boiled pigs feet, entrail soup and shredded ears.

Pork is cooked in a mixture of soy sauce, ginger, kelp and small amounts of

sugar, then sliced and chopped up for stir fry dishes. Okinawans eat about

100 grams of meat per day—compared to 70 in Japan and just over 20 in

China—and at least an equal amount of fish, for a total of about 200 grams

per day, compared to 280 grams per person per day of meat and fish in

America. Lard—not vegetable oil—is used in cooking.

Okinawans also eat plenty of fibrous root crops such as taro and sweet

potatoes. They consume rice and noodles, but not as the main component of

the diet. They eat a variety of vegetables such as carrots, white radish,

cabbage and greens, both fresh and pickled. Bland tofu is part of the diet,

consumed in traditional ways, but on the whole Okinawan cuisine is spicy.

Pork dishes are flavored with a mixture of ginger and brown sugar, with

chili oil and with “the wicked bite of bitter melon.”

Weston Price did not study the peoples of Okinawa, but had he done so, he

would have found one more example to support his conclusions—that whole

foods, including sufficient animal foods with their fat—are needed for good

health and long life, even in the Orient. In fact, the Okinawan example

demonstrates the fallacy of today’s politically correct message—that we

should emulate the peoples of China by reducing animal products and eating

more grains; rather, the Chinese would benefit by adding more strengthening

animal foods to their daily fare. "

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

>http://www.westonaprice.org/

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October 14, 2003

what about people like Jack La Lanne, who is 89, 99% vegetarian, eats

some healthy cold water fish with lots of essential oils, is strong as

a horse, in past years for his brithday he would swim pulling two

boats. Yet people say vegetarian diet is unhealthy.

How do you explain this man (and his wife)? With examples like them,

how can I believe that all vegetarianism is wrong. I think advocating

one way over all else for everyone alike can't be right, a balance

needs to be found. Everyone needs to become intuned to their body and

ask, 'Is this right for me?'

r

Suze Fisher wrote:

>>>>>>I'm wondering why some are so non-vegetarian?

>

>---->richard, have you read nourishing traditions, nutrition and

physical

>degeneration or any of the articles on the WAPF website?

>

>they form the basis for this list and i highly recommend you read some

of

>them to get an idea of what healthy nutrition consistis of, then you

will

>understand that the very nature of this board is non-vegetarian.

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October 14, 2003

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:55:07 -0600 (MDT)

G Boettner <boettner@...> wrote:

>what about people like Jack La Lanne, who is 89, 99% vegetarian, eats

>some healthy cold water fish with lots of essential oils, is strong as

>a horse, in past years for his brithday he would swim pulling two

>boats. Yet people say vegetarian diet is unhealthy.

>How do you explain this man (and his wife)? With examples like them,

>how can I believe that all vegetarianism is wrong.

Jack Lalanne is a poor example of the vegetarian lifestyle. This is

another one of those things where the hype doesn't fit the reality.

First, for many years one can surmise Jack Lalanne was not a vegetarian.

As a former Mr. America one should assume that he ate just like

everybody else in his day and nothing in his writings or comments have

ever suggested otherwise. In fact they seem to suggest the opposite,

that he had a dietary and exercise conversion away from the bodybuilding

lifestyle of his day (which is very different from today's bodybuilding

lifestyle) at a later stage in his life.

So his foundational years most likely included a lot of animal

flesh/products of some sort.

Second he is NOT a vegetarian. There is no such thing as a 99%

vegetarian. All folks can be put into two categories when it comes to

food, those who eat animals and/or their products, and those who don't.

While in the popular vernacular we speak of certain kinds of vegetarians,

technically speaking you are either a vegan or you include animal foods.

To say someone is 99% vegetarian is to say someone can be 99% pregnant.

Such is nonsense. You either are or you aren't.

And I say that to say this, even a little bit of animal food can go a

long way in an otherwise " animal free " diet. LaLanne's consumption of

fish on regular basis provides many things he would otherwise not get.

Many of the so-called vegetarian gurus who are hyped today are not

vegetarians and never were: http://chetday.com/healthgurus.htm

Others have sinced given up their veganism (Harvey Diamond). And others,

like Lalanne, were never true vegetarians in the first place.

Also if you look at his website I see pictures of flesh foods there.

What's up with that if he thinks " vegetarianism " is so hot?

Third, the man looks absolutely terrible in the face and now in his body

as well as he has this strange idea of needing to lose a certain amount

of weight each year as he gets older.

I've seen other age advanced bodybuilders/health types and I would

rather look like them any day of the week. Bill Pearl (72 - lacto ovo

" vegetarian " ), Robby (56), even Al Beckles (probably in his

70's) all look better than Jack Lalanne and have for years. In fact

Pearl and look absolutely fantastic.

I think advocating

>one way over all else for everyone alike can't be right, a balance

>needs to be found. Everyone needs to become intuned to their body and

>ask, 'Is this right for me?'

>r

Of course, but in the aggregate, vegetarianism simply doesn't work over

the long haul. While the types and amounts of animal foods will vary

from place to place the fact is animal foods and or their products are

needed in our diets.

As I noted above vegetarianism doesn't even work for LaLanne. On a side

note, Jack LaLanne claims to work out two hours a day every day of the

week and has done so for decades. That is quite impressive and probably

in large part accounts for his longevity.

He seems to think so as he has stated the exercise is the king and diet

is the queen when it comes to health and longevity.

While I'm more than happy to bow to the popular understanding of

vegetarianism when talking to most folks, if we took that definition

seriously, then some of Price's healthy " primitives " could be classified

as vegetarians. And most serious vegetarians I know of want nothing to

do with Dr. Price, LOL!

The People vs. Rush Limbaugh

http://tinyurl.com/qon2

October 14, 2003

Thanks for this info Suzie. I knew I had also read about Okinawan

diet on WP site but couldn't remember where. Well, haven't

introduced pork into my diet yet but this is encouraging me!

" Suze Fisher " <s.fisher22@v...> wrote:

> ----->thanks for piping in with personal experience filippa. we

had the

> okinawan conversation a number of months ago when a book came out

touting

> their supposed vegetarianism leanings and their good health. it's

just

> another in a long line of misrepresentations of asian diets.

here's an

> excerpt from an article on the WAPF website re the okinawan diet:

>

> " Before we throw up our hands and decide that no conclusions can

be made

> about diet and health in China, let us turn our attention to the

mixed

> peoples of Okinawa, situated equidistant from Hong Kong and Tokyo.

The

> average lifespan for women in Okinawa is 84 (compared to 79 in

American),

> and the island boasts a disproportionately large number of

centenarians.

> Okinawans have low levels of chronic illness—osteoporosis, cancer,

diabetes,

> atherosclerosis and stroke—compared to America, China and Japan,

which

> allows them to continue to work, even in advanced years. In spite

of Okinawa

> 's horrific role in World War II, as the site of one of the

bloodiest

> battles of the Pacific, Okinawa is a breezy, pleasant place,

neither crowded

> nor polluted, with a strong sense of family and community and

where the

> local people produce much of what they consume.

>

> And what do Okinawans eat? The main meat of the diet is pork, and

not the

> lean cuts only. Okinawan cuisine, according to gerontologist

Kazuhiko Taira,

> " is very healthy—and very, very greasy, " in a 1996 article that

appeared in

> Health Magazine.19 And the whole pig is eaten—everything

from " tails to

> nails. " Local menus offer boiled pigs feet, entrail soup and

shredded ears.

> Pork is cooked in a mixture of soy sauce, ginger, kelp and small

amounts of

> sugar, then sliced and chopped up for stir fry dishes. Okinawans

eat about

> 100 grams of meat per day—compared to 70 in Japan and just over 20

in

> China—and at least an equal amount of fish, for a total of about

200 grams

> per day, compared to 280 grams per person per day of meat and fish

in

> America. Lard—not vegetable oil—is used in cooking.

>

> Okinawans also eat plenty of fibrous root crops such as taro and

sweet

> potatoes. They consume rice and noodles, but not as the main

component of

> the diet. They eat a variety of vegetables such as carrots, white

radish,

> cabbage and greens, both fresh and pickled. Bland tofu is part of

the diet,

> consumed in traditional ways, but on the whole Okinawan cuisine is

spicy.

> Pork dishes are flavored with a mixture of ginger and brown sugar,

with

> chili oil and with " the wicked bite of bitter melon. "

>

> Weston Price did not study the peoples of Okinawa, but had he done

so, he

> would have found one more example to support his conclusions—that

whole

> foods, including sufficient animal foods with their fat—are needed

for good

> health and long life, even in the Orient. In fact, the Okinawan

example

> demonstrates the fallacy of today's politically correct message—

that we

> should emulate the peoples of China by reducing animal products

and eating

> more grains; rather, the Chinese would benefit by adding more

strengthening

> animal foods to their daily fare. "

> http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/food_in_china.html

>

> Suze Fisher

> Lapdog Design, Inc.

> Web Design & Development

> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

> Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

> ----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol

cause

> heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our

times. " --

> Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at

Vanderbilt

> University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

> The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

> <http://www.thincs.org>

> ----------------------------

October 15, 2003

>>>>Thanks for this info Suzie.

------> " suzie " ???? as in " chapstick " ? arrrgggghhhhhh!!!!!

(better than " suez " i guess)

LOL

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

----------------------------

October 15, 2003

> >>>>Thanks for this info Suzie.

>

> ------> " suzie " ???? as in " chapstick " ? arrrgggghhhhhh!!!!!

>

> (better than " suez " i guess)

> LOL

>

Sorry Suze, slipup of the fingers! never heard of the chapstick.

Suzie/Susie is actually a common name here in Oz, where everything

is shortened and 'ie' added: Chrissie /s/, Pressie

(pronounced " prezee " ), Brissie /z/, Aussie /z/, and so on.........

Filippa

October 15, 2003

>>>>Sorry Suze, slipup of the fingers! never heard of the chapstick.

Suzie/Susie is actually a common name here in Oz, where everything

is shortened and 'ie' added: Chrissie /s/, Pressie

(pronounced " prezee " ), Brissie /z/, Aussie /z/, and so on.........

Filippa

---->so, may i call you " fillipie " ? ;-) or ozzie, rather than aussie? LOL!

i was just kidding actually, i get called all kinds of things, suzie is

closer to the target than most.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics