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Oh, that does not sound good :-(

>

> So far all the drugs have had a negative effect on Asperger's people.

That needs no explanation. They're trying to capitalize on this massive

explosion of asperger's. Supply/demand. Now, parents are going to be

blindly taking psychology as the gospel truth and with their fragmented

thinking they'll forget the physiological connection. Give it a decade

and there'll be an epidemic of some sort caused by the drug, written

off as a natural Asperger's trait, important points in the history of

asperger's research will be rewritten to cover up the lies and Aspies

will be in a worse situation than when they started.

>

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nick wrote:

> So far all the drugs have had a negative effect on Asperger's people.

> That needs no explanation. They're trying to capitalize on this massive

> explosion of asperger's.

That's totally untrue. Just like all drugs and all people the person's

on the Aspergers Spectrum sometimes have negative reactions to some

drugs. For some it is more prevalent than others.

There are so many generalizations regarding AS it's just amazing. For

the most part we are just like anyone else. We get colds, we have bad

eyes, go bald, have all manner of aliments just like everyone else in

the universe.

There are some things that are more common for those with AS. There is a

general tendency to be highly sensitive to noise, smell, light or touch.

One of the first indicators is a difficulty in social settings. These

factors often manifest in many different anti social ways but for the

most part when people come to the list and say I have difficulty reading

maps or I get lost or a host of other things people ask about it's

really no different than anyone else. There are people in all walks of

life that have the same problems. Just because you find other aspies

with the same difficulties does not make it an aspie trait.

The truth is there are far more similarities than differences between us

and the rest of mankind.

Where I think there is a large difference is in understanding and

perception. I always expected that everyone has the same inability to

perceive experiences other than their own as I do. I'm uncertain how to

put this into words. I have often wondered how other people knew how to

date. I never understood the process. I figured that others would not

have known either but it seems for none aspies things like how to date

are learned from being around others. We never seem to do this

especially in social settings. I learn by logic. This appears not to be

the way most people generally learn. I'm not certain that I have written

this in a meaningful way but it's the best I can do for the moment.

Ace

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>

" That's totally untrue. Just like all drugs and all people the person's

> on the Aspergers Spectrum sometimes have negative reactions to some

> drugs. For some it is more prevalent than others. "

I'm curious about the so-called 'subtypes' of Aspergers. I wonder if

we're all just different (even with personality taken out of the

equation) or if there are types. I'm specifically interested in the

idea that some of us may have health problems and some don't-it's

thought maybe in some the immune system is involved, in some it's not.

But I'm interested in all the differences as well, if there are types.

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Okay, news has spin. But it does serve a purpose by keeping in limelight (sometimes!) things people might not realize otherwise. What I tend to find disconcerting is reading about people who think watching Jon is how they get news.... now that's fiction!nick <drumthis2001@...> wrote: the media is one hundred percent B.S. with some of it smelling horrific and some that's dried up and doesn't smell as bad. Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. If you love something, set it free! So it is with books. See what I mean atwww.bookcrossing.com/friend/nheckoblogcritics.orghttp://notesfromnancy.blogspot.com Heckofreelance proofreadernancygailus@...

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Even worse is the Colbert Report which is boring to watch in the first place. The news channels think that people are going to somehow need to know so they can make an educated decision or is it opinion? Opinion doesn't matter at the point we're at right now. Ashcroft and Rumsfeld both had powerful seats in Monsanto (with Rumsfeld being the main person in power in the aspartame business) before being swept into their high offices of government. As you may know, Monsanto is the leader in Genetically modified foods. It's not a pretty picture. Monsanto is a monopoly. I think Condoleeza Rice is decent. I mean, you look at her record and she was elected because of her ability, not position. Hecko <nancygailus@...> wrote: Okay, news has spin. But it does serve a purpose by keeping in limelight (sometimes!) things people

might not realize otherwise. What I tend to find disconcerting is reading about people who think watching Jon is how they get news.... now that's fiction!nick <drumthis2001@...> wrote: the media is one hundred percent B.S. with some of it smelling horrific and some that's dried up and doesn't smell as bad. Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. If you love something, set it free! So it is with books. See what I mean

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Dopamine beta hydroxylase is important for dopamine conversion to norepinephrine and it has been found in studies to be a factor in some cases of autism. Now, Risperidal works on D2 receptors (and others with less affinity). What it does is take away dopamine from certain areas of the brain and may or may not have a dopamine or serotonin 5-HT agonist effect at other sites. It causes tardive dyskinesia in individuals taking it for a prolonged period (over a year). It causes diabetes. These psychotropic drugs cause a marked decrease in life-span in chronic schizophrenic patients. There is an increase in copper for alot of autistic kids and adults. DopamineBetaH needs copper as a cofactor in the conversion to norepinephrine. There is basically in Asperger's a lack of brain pruning with slight variations here and there. Unermethylation, not overmethylation is actually seen in many cases of autism. Therefore, the proper things to give for that specific state is Methylcobalamin

and S-adenosylmethionine. The two work in different ways in the body for enzymes to work properly in the metallothionein chelation of mercury and homocysteine conversion to it's less potent forms which are both important for detoxifying the body in various ways. What the world or gov't or whoever has been doing is trying to decrease our awareness of what is going on. The use of fluoride in water was originally used for russian dissidents to make them die an early death and have no aim. Churches were another good example. Marijuana is another. The list is so extensive that it needs no mention. Suffice to say, the establishment will soon be lurking over Asperger's shoulders to see what makes us less aware but, content. Who will it be after us? As far as dating is concerned I haven't had any great luck either. All the girls I dated except for one, had issues with all kinds of drugs, the latest one being an alcoholic. I couldn't blame her though. She and her twin sister had a

car wreck and She was the one driving. Her sister was in a coma for 10 years, got out of it but, can't talk, can't move her legs and has to be given eye drops because her tear ducts don't work. Anyway, that's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about those times in one's life where one is helped by antidepressants or whatever. I'm talking about physical and psychological dependence that leads people to all sorts of problems that could have been prevented if the psychiatrists gave a damn. acsnag@... wrote: nick wrote:> So far all the drugs have had a negative effect on Asperger's people. > That needs no explanation. They're trying to capitalize on this massive > explosion of asperger's. That's totally untrue. Just like all drugs and all people the person's on the Aspergers Spectrum sometimes have negative

reactions to some drugs. For some it is more prevalent than others.There are so many generalizations regarding AS it's just amazing. For the most part we are just like anyone else. We get colds, we have bad eyes, go bald, have all manner of aliments just like everyone else in the universe.There are some things that are more common for those with AS. There is a general tendency to be highly sensitive to noise, smell, light or touch. One of the first indicators is a difficulty in social settings. These factors often manifest in many different anti social ways but for the most part when people come to the list and say I have difficulty reading maps or I get lost or a host of other things people ask about it's really no different than anyone else. There are people in all walks of life that have the same problems. Just because you find other aspies with the same difficulties does not make it an aspie

trait.The truth is there are far more similarities than differences between us and the rest of mankind.Where I think there is a large difference is in understanding and perception. I always expected that everyone has the same inability to perceive experiences other than their own as I do. I'm uncertain how to put this into words. I have often wondered how other people knew how to date. I never understood the process. I figured that others would not have known either but it seems for none aspies things like how to date are learned from being around others. We never seem to do this especially in social settings. I learn by logic. This appears not to be the way most people generally learn. I'm not certain that I have written this in a meaningful way but it's the best I can do for the moment.Ace

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Dopamine beta hydroxylase is important for dopamine conversion to norepinephrine and it has been found in studies to be a factor in some cases of autism. Now, Risperidal works on D2 receptors (and others with less affinity). What it does is take away dopamine from certain areas of the brain and may or may not have a dopamine or serotonin 5-HT agonist effect at other sites. It causes tardive dyskinesia in individuals taking it for a prolonged period (over a year). It causes diabetes. These psychotropic drugs cause a marked decrease in life-span in chronic schizophrenic patients. There is an increase in copper for alot of autistic kids and adults. DopamineBetaH needs copper as a cofactor in the conversion to norepinephrine. There is basically in Asperger's a lack of brain pruning with slight variations here and there. Unermethylation, not overmethylation is actually seen in many cases of autism. Therefore, the proper things to give for that specific state is Methylcobalamin

and S-adenosylmethionine. The two work in different ways in the body for enzymes to work properly in the metallothionein chelation of mercury and homocysteine conversion to it's less potent forms which are both important for detoxifying the body in various ways. What the world or gov't or whoever has been doing is trying to decrease our awareness of what is going on. The use of fluoride in water was originally used for russian dissidents to make them die an early death and have no aim. Churches were another good example. Marijuana is another. The list is so extensive that it needs no mention. Suffice to say, the establishment will soon be lurking over Asperger's shoulders to see what makes us less aware but, content. Who will it be after us? As far as dating is concerned I haven't had any great luck either. All the girls I dated except for one, had issues with all kinds of drugs, the latest one being an alcoholic. I couldn't blame her though. She and her twin sister had a

car wreck and She was the one driving. Her sister was in a coma for 10 years, got out of it but, can't talk, can't move her legs and has to be given eye drops because her tear ducts don't work. Anyway, that's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about those times in one's life where one is helped by antidepressants or whatever. I'm talking about physical and psychological dependence that leads people to all sorts of problems that could have been prevented if the psychiatrists gave a damn. acsnag@... wrote: nick wrote:> So far all the drugs have had a negative effect on Asperger's people. > That needs no explanation. They're trying to capitalize on this massive > explosion of asperger's. That's totally untrue. Just like all drugs and all people the person's on the Aspergers Spectrum sometimes have negative

reactions to some drugs. For some it is more prevalent than others.There are so many generalizations regarding AS it's just amazing. For the most part we are just like anyone else. We get colds, we have bad eyes, go bald, have all manner of aliments just like everyone else in the universe.There are some things that are more common for those with AS. There is a general tendency to be highly sensitive to noise, smell, light or touch. One of the first indicators is a difficulty in social settings. These factors often manifest in many different anti social ways but for the most part when people come to the list and say I have difficulty reading maps or I get lost or a host of other things people ask about it's really no different than anyone else. There are people in all walks of life that have the same problems. Just because you find other aspies with the same difficulties does not make it an aspie

trait.The truth is there are far more similarities than differences between us and the rest of mankind.Where I think there is a large difference is in understanding and perception. I always expected that everyone has the same inability to perceive experiences other than their own as I do. I'm uncertain how to put this into words. I have often wondered how other people knew how to date. I never understood the process. I figured that others would not have known either but it seems for none aspies things like how to date are learned from being around others. We never seem to do this especially in social settings. I learn by logic. This appears not to be the way most people generally learn. I'm not certain that I have written this in a meaningful way but it's the best I can do for the moment.Ace

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Re:

> Ever wonder why sunday is the day of rest in the bible

Please show me where in the Bible it says " Sunday is the day of rest. "

> (exempting seventh day adventists,

You forgot Jews. Since the Bible says that " God rested on the seventh

day " (not the first day), the Bible sides with Jews and Seventh-Day

Adventists, not with Sunday observers.

> and in actuality both days are wrong because they're not in accordance >with

earth's geomagnetic field for human biorhythms)

What about Earth's geomagnetic field makes Sunday or Saturday " wrong "

for resting?

If anyone explained/demonstrated that in geology-class, I suppose

I slept through that part.

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Re:

> Ever wonder why sunday is the day of rest in the bible

Please show me where in the Bible it says " Sunday is the day of rest. "

> (exempting seventh day adventists,

You forgot Jews. Since the Bible says that " God rested on the seventh

day " (not the first day), the Bible sides with Jews and Seventh-Day

Adventists, not with Sunday observers.

> and in actuality both days are wrong because they're not in accordance >with

earth's geomagnetic field for human biorhythms)

What about Earth's geomagnetic field makes Sunday or Saturday " wrong "

for resting?

If anyone explained/demonstrated that in geology-class, I suppose

I slept through that part.

;-)

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>Please show me where in the Bible it says "Sunday is the day of rest."< I corrected myself later by saying it's the westernized Christian day of rest. My point of it was to ask why people and businesses follow this flawed tradition to their own dismay. >You forgot Jews. Since the Bible says that "God rested on the seventhday" (not the first day), the Bible sides with Jews and Seventh-DayAdventists, not with Sunday observers.< There is no such thing as a seventh day. Genesis was just a cheap explanation fit for that time in history and does not apply now. I mentioned Jews, 7th day adv. and Sunday observers in another post Kate. I don't feel like explaining it again and it sounds to me like you already understand somewhat. >What about Earth's geomagnetic field

makes Sunday or Saturday "wrong"for resting? If anyone explained/demonstrated that in geology-class, I supposeI slept through that part.<You must have slept through alot of stuff when this post was being threaded. The earth's geomagnetic flux is at the proper point on thursday at 8:30 p.m. til friday 8:30 p.m. for the body's circadian and biorhythms to heal, repair itself. Try resting during the middle of the day. Most people wouldn't truly feel energized after that. The body's circadian rhythms are designed to sleep between 9 p.m til atleast 5, mostly 6 a.m. Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Re:> Ever wonder why sunday is the day of rest in the biblePlease show me where in the Bible it says "Sunday is the day of

rest."> (exempting seventh day adventists,You forgot Jews. Since the Bible says that "God rested on the seventhday" (not the first day), the Bible sides with Jews and Seventh-DayAdventists, not with Sunday observers.> and in actuality both days are wrong because they're not in accordance >with earth's geomagnetic field for human biorhythms)What about Earth's geomagnetic field makes Sunday or Saturday "wrong"for resting? If anyone explained/demonstrated that in geology-class, I supposeI slept through that part.;-) Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone -handwritingrepair@... - telephone 518/482-6763 Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair 325 South Manning Boulevard Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA Order books through my site! (Amazon.com link gets me 5% - 15% commission) And sign the "Politician Legibility Act" Petition:http://www.iPetitions.com/petition/PoliticianLegibility

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>Please show me where in the Bible it says "Sunday is the day of rest."< I corrected myself later by saying it's the westernized Christian day of rest. My point of it was to ask why people and businesses follow this flawed tradition to their own dismay. >You forgot Jews. Since the Bible says that "God rested on the seventhday" (not the first day), the Bible sides with Jews and Seventh-DayAdventists, not with Sunday observers.< There is no such thing as a seventh day. Genesis was just a cheap explanation fit for that time in history and does not apply now. I mentioned Jews, 7th day adv. and Sunday observers in another post Kate. I don't feel like explaining it again and it sounds to me like you already understand somewhat. >What about Earth's geomagnetic field

makes Sunday or Saturday "wrong"for resting? If anyone explained/demonstrated that in geology-class, I supposeI slept through that part.<You must have slept through alot of stuff when this post was being threaded. The earth's geomagnetic flux is at the proper point on thursday at 8:30 p.m. til friday 8:30 p.m. for the body's circadian and biorhythms to heal, repair itself. Try resting during the middle of the day. Most people wouldn't truly feel energized after that. The body's circadian rhythms are designed to sleep between 9 p.m til atleast 5, mostly 6 a.m. Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Re:> Ever wonder why sunday is the day of rest in the biblePlease show me where in the Bible it says "Sunday is the day of

rest."> (exempting seventh day adventists,You forgot Jews. Since the Bible says that "God rested on the seventhday" (not the first day), the Bible sides with Jews and Seventh-DayAdventists, not with Sunday observers.> and in actuality both days are wrong because they're not in accordance >with earth's geomagnetic field for human biorhythms)What about Earth's geomagnetic field makes Sunday or Saturday "wrong"for resting? If anyone explained/demonstrated that in geology-class, I supposeI slept through that part.;-) Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone -handwritingrepair@... - telephone 518/482-6763 Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair 325 South Manning Boulevard Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA Order books through my site! (Amazon.com link gets me 5% - 15% commission) And sign the "Politician Legibility Act" Petition:http://www.iPetitions.com/petition/PoliticianLegibility

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>

> " You forgot Jews. Since the Bible says that " God rested on the seventh

> day " (not the first day), the Bible sides with Jews and Seventh-Day

> Adventists, not with Sunday observers. "

How does the Jewish calendar from bible times work? Are the days of the

week the same but the number of days in the month are different--

following the moon cycle with an extra month, as I seem to remember?

And the days began at sundown. Is it okay that technically, the seventh

day of today is not the same as the seventh day then? Or is it? I

noticed that Jews today don't follow the old calender when it comes to

Passover, or am I wrong about that?

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Thanks, Nick - work and other travel mean that I don't have all the

time I should to follow these or other posts.

You assert that:

>The earth's geomagnetic flux is at the proper point on thursday at

8:30 >p.m. til friday 8:30 p.m. for the body's circadian and

biorhythms to heal, >repair itself.

What measurements/evidence led to that conclusion?

As it happens, for me the time-period you specified doesn't work

particularly well. In fact - I get my best, most energizing rest

during the middle of the day.

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mikecarrie01 wrote:

> I'm curious about the so-called 'subtypes' of Aspergers. I wonder if

> we're all just different (even with personality taken out of the

> equation) or if there are types. I'm specifically interested in the

> idea that some of us may have health problems and some don't-it's

> thought maybe in some the immune system is involved, in some it's not.

> But I'm interested in all the differences as well, if there are types.

Well within the official criteria as in the DSM there is no reference to

any health problems. Certainly there are aspies with health problems but

no one has yet shown that they are due to, or part of Aspergers. May

people have various conditions at the same time. That does not show that

they are part of the same affliction. An example, I have had back

problems all my life but that's certainly not listed as a possible

symptom of AS.

I read of lots of people who use chelation to get rid of heavy metals in

their kids. Then they say the AS or autism has been cured. I would

suggest that while there were autism type symptoms it turns out it was

not autism but heavy metal contamination that these children were

suffering from. It was simply a wrong diagnosis.

Ace

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>

> > I'm curious about the so-called 'subtypes' of Aspergers. I

wonder if

> > we're all just different (even with personality taken out of the

> > equation) or if there are types. I'm specifically interested in

the

> > idea that some of us may have health problems and some don't-it's

> > thought maybe in some the immune system is involved, in some

it's not.

> > But I'm interested in all the differences as well, if there are

types.

>

> Well within the official criteria as in the DSM there is no

reference to

> any health problems. Certainly there are aspies with health

problems but

> no one has yet shown that they are due to, or part of Aspergers.

May

> people have various conditions at the same time. That does not

show that

> they are part of the same affliction. An example, I have had back

> problems all my life but that's certainly not listed as a possible

> symptom of AS.

It is possible that there might be a predisposition towards certain

conditions for autistics, or a reason that they might arise

connected to an autistic trait. I don't think that makes it part of

the general diagnostic criteria (although I find the DSM-IV criteria

somewhat flawed as well, for its focus on impairment rather than a

more comprehensive picture of the average autistic).

> I read of lots of people who use chelation to get rid of heavy

metals in

> their kids. Then they say the AS or autism has been cured. I would

> suggest that while there were autism type symptoms it turns out it

was

> not autism but heavy metal contamination that these children were

> suffering from. It was simply a wrong diagnosis.

That sounds very likely. The people who use chelation have been

responsible for a lot of wacky ideas, including the re-injection of

purified urine into autistics and the use of Lupron (the drug that

used to be used to chemically castrate sex offenders) as part of

their bizarre 'treatment' model for autistics.

-Ari

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Re:

> > I get my best, most energizing rest

> during the middle of the day.<

>

>

> That's funny. Is it fun?

I see nothing funny (either humorous or peculiar) or " fun " about when

I need my rest. And this pattern has held for me life-long -

irrespective of time-zone changes.

> As for the times not working for you, there are

> most assuredly some reasons involved.

" Reasons involved " for an assertion not holding true may include

non-factuality of that assertion. At least - as far as I see - you

haven't given the requested hard evidence for the claim. Can you

please refer me to experimental evidence (e.g., peer-reviewed papers

in scientific journals) establishing that Terran geomagnetism makes it

best to rest at the times you specified?

What evidence, if it existed and you had it, would lead you to

conclude that a claim (by you or by someone else) *didn't* hold true?

> I'm going to look in my book for a few clues.

Please tell me (off-list, if you prefer) the name/publisher/etc. of

your book. I missed whatever earlier message shared that info.

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Re:

> > I get my best, most energizing rest

> during the middle of the day.<

>

>

> That's funny. Is it fun?

I see nothing funny (either humorous or peculiar) or " fun " about when

I need my rest. And this pattern has held for me life-long -

irrespective of time-zone changes.

> As for the times not working for you, there are

> most assuredly some reasons involved.

" Reasons involved " for an assertion not holding true may include

non-factuality of that assertion. At least - as far as I see - you

haven't given the requested hard evidence for the claim. Can you

please refer me to experimental evidence (e.g., peer-reviewed papers

in scientific journals) establishing that Terran geomagnetism makes it

best to rest at the times you specified?

What evidence, if it existed and you had it, would lead you to

conclude that a claim (by you or by someone else) *didn't* hold true?

> I'm going to look in my book for a few clues.

Please tell me (off-list, if you prefer) the name/publisher/etc. of

your book. I missed whatever earlier message shared that info.

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" Basically, it's more simple than I'd thought. Rest when the sun goes

down. Wake up when the sun goes up. "

Ideally. I think my body wants to do that and though I'd love to be a

farmer, have a fruit orchard, actually (unless hunter-gatherer type of

living is better, not sure), society makes that difficult. Then there's

my husband's weird sleep cycle which is programmed in his head and

can't be deprogrammed--3 am to 11 am. Basically, I turn into a pumpkin

at 10:00 pm and he wants to go to a ball. But that's how we appreciate

each other--absence makes the heart grow fonder!

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Absence of sleep makes the heart age faster. I'd switch to a job where it is possible to sleep at the proper times and to heck with the manager or the boss who wants me to work til 2:00 a.m. I've done that enough to know it's not worth it. If he has severe insomnia, maybe megadoses of melatonin can set his clock back in order. That is, if he takes it at the right time in the evening to where it has maximum effect at 10:00 p.m. I wouldn't be able to live with a partner. My form of absence would be to live in a different house during part of the day and go to her house part of the day or whatever. No more than about 6 or 8 hours. mikecarrie01 <mikecarrie01@...> wrote: "Basically, it's more simple than I'd thought. Rest when the sun goes down. Wake up when

the sun goes up."Ideally. I think my body wants to do that and though I'd love to be a farmer, have a fruit orchard, actually (unless hunter-gatherer type of living is better, not sure), society makes that difficult. Then there's my husband's weird sleep cycle which is programmed in his head and can't be deprogrammed--3 am to 11 am. Basically, I turn into a pumpkin at 10:00 pm and he wants to go to a ball. But that's how we appreciate each other--absence makes the heart grow fonder!

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wrote: " But that's how we appreciate each other -- absence

makes the heart grow fonder! "

When it's true love, this absolutely is the truth ... absense makes

the heart grow fonder. :-)

Raven

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Rather than just taking it, accepting some things; sometimes I feel

it is better to fight injustices. If everyone just took it, just

accepted it - how worse would things be?

Sometimes fighting injustice is not just for oneself, but for many -

it is to make sure bad things do not continue to happen to others.

Those that carry out injustices against people will often continue

until they are stopped - until the injustices are stopped.

I have often heard people say 'what difference can just one person

make, what difference can I make', to me sounds like a bit of a cop

out, if everyone thought like that then no-one would stand up.

Sometimes it takes just one to speak up against something and then

others also come forward.

> >

> >

> > " But do they think they're a shell? Who else is to say they are? "

> >

> > " Another way of saying the same thing, could be - they change their

> > view of the world, which had been unjustifiably bright before. "

>

> " Ah, but what life?

> > *Life as yourself, which means fighting to assert your true self

in

> > the face of anything done to you, not moving on?

> > * or, life as the wrongdoer has given you it, which it's their

> victory

> > and your slavery to accept in any way.

> > and Where have we established that " moving on " is a desirable

> > objective or has a purpose? "

>

> Good points. Maybe some are happier and just appear unhappy because

> they are not doing what they've done before. Maybe they feel free

> from society's restraints or are able to look at life from a

clearer

> standpoint and revise what is important to them. What I have seen

> though, and what I'm addressing here, is where they truly are

> unhappy. I'm talking about specific people here and what they've

said

> and expressed, verbally or otherwise. I have heard others express

> what you are expressing, and that they have a new lease on life, a

> new way of looking at things. I see often that people will go

either

> way--become bitter or defeated or use it to grow as a person. Often

> how you look at things can determine which they will be, though not

> always, depending on how bad the hurt is, or how much pain they've

> endured.

>

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" No more than about 6 or 8 hours. "

Woaw - that along time to see someone to me, not sure I could manage

that everyday. So okay my son lives with me, but we mostly co-exsist,

just coming together at various times throughout the day.

>

> Absence of sleep makes the heart age faster. I'd switch to a job

where it is possible to sleep at the proper times and to heck with the

manager or the boss who wants me to work til 2:00 a.m. I've done that

enough to know it's not worth it. If he has severe insomnia, maybe

megadoses of melatonin can set his clock back in order. That is, if he

takes it at the right time in the evening to where it has maximum

effect at 10:00 p.m. I wouldn't be able to live with a partner. My form

of absence would be to live in a different house during part of the day

and go to her house part of the day or whatever. No more than about 6

or 8 hours.

>

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I meant 6 or 8 hours as the ideal weekends and so forth. If I spent 3 hours a day with a partner 7 days a week, at 25 years that would be like 126.13 days out of 1,925 days spent with my partner. That's like 15.35 percent of my life with my parnter whereas 6 hours a day would b like 30.70 percent. I figure 4 hours a day would be good. I may have gotten the calculations wrong. If that's the case feel free to correct the errors. greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: "No more than about 6 or 8 hours."Woaw - that along time to see someone to me, not sure I could manage that everyday. So okay my son lives with me, but we mostly co-exsist, just coming together at various times throughout the day.>> Absence of sleep makes the heart age faster. I'd switch to a job where it is possible to sleep at the proper times and to heck with the manager or the boss who wants me to work til 2:00 a.m. I've done that enough to know it's not worth it. If he has severe insomnia, maybe megadoses of melatonin can set his clock back in order. That is, if he takes it at the right time in the evening to where it has maximum effect at 10:00 p.m. I wouldn't be able to live with a partner. My form of absence would be to live in a different house during part of the day and go to her house part of the day or whatever. No more than about 6 or 8 hours. >

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Wow- you really work things through don't you. I didn't check the

figures but think that none of the numbers matter. It depends on the

person your spending time with. If both are comfortable with one

another then time has no meaning. I'm lucky that my hubby and I enjoy

each other even if we have nothing to talk about like during long car

trips. We both enjoy reading and love having in depth conversations

on articles from Science magazines, Reader's Digest etc...

The point I'm trying to make is that two people can enjoy being around

each other for long periods of time if they are well rounded.

Meaning, they do not rely on one another for happiness but know what

makes themselves complete. You know that if a person blames you for

feeling unhappy, they have not grown up enough to be a good partner.

Kim

>

> I meant 6 or 8 hours as the ideal weekends and so forth. If I spent

3 hours a day with a partner 7 days a week, at 25 years that would be

like 126.13 days out of 1,925 days spent with my partner. That's like

15.35 percent of my life with my parnter whereas 6 hours a day would b

like 30.70 percent. I figure 4 hours a day would be good. I may have

gotten the calculations wrong. If that's the case feel free to correct

the errors.

[Guest guest]

<If both are comfortable with one another then time has no meaning. I'm lucky that my hubby and I enjoy each other even if we have nothing to talk about like during long car trips. We both enjoy reading and love having in depth conversations on articles from Science magazines, Reader's Digest etc...> Long car trips suck when there's someone always talking non-stop. That's definitely a plus on your side. It's great that you two like to read books and have stimulation to the imagination. <two people can enjoy being around each other for long periods of time if they are well rounded.> I'm not the well-rounded type who could deal with people yet. There's always a clash. I'm growing everyday though. <they do not rely on one another for happiness but know what

makes themselves complete.> That seems like a cliche. I guess it's true though. <You know that if a person blames you for feeling unhappy, they have not grown up enough to be a good partner.> My mom & dad still act like that even though they're in their forties. My dad has been able to hold onto his wife for about 15 years. My mom has had several boyfriends and was never able to keep them. I blame them for my problems because they helped me in some ways and didn't help me in others and when I start to think of how things could have been I just don't talk to them because they full of it too. So, I guess I can understand what you mean by the above statement.Kim <6emini@...> wrote: Wow- you really work things

through don't you. I didn't check the figures but think that none of the numbers matter. It depends on the person your spending time with. If both are comfortable with one another then time has no meaning. I'm lucky that my hubby and I enjoy each other even if we have nothing to talk about like during long car trips. We both enjoy reading and love having in depth conversations on articles from Science magazines, Reader's Digest etc...The point I'm trying to make is that two people can enjoy being around each other for long periods of time if they are well rounded. Meaning, they do not rely on one another for happiness but know what makes themselves complete. You know that if a person blames you for feeling unhappy, they have not grown up enough to be a good partner.Kim>> I meant

6 or 8 hours as the ideal weekends and so forth. If I spent 3 hours a day with a partner 7 days a week, at 25 years that would be like 126.13 days out of 1,925 days spent with my partner. That's like 15.35 percent of my life with my parnter whereas 6 hours a day would b like 30.70 percent. I figure 4 hours a day would be good. I may have gotten the calculations wrong. If that's the case feel free to correct the errors.

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